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timotimo lucasb_: i was hoping joseph garvin would answer with some more questions 00:12
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AlexDaniel m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a»<a c> 03:05
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«((20 60) (20 60))␤»
AlexDaniel m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a»<a c>:kv
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«Unexpected named argument 'kv' passed␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel how can I make it work?
it's kinda weird that I can't just switch from this 03:08
m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a[0]<a c>:kv
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«(a 20 c 60)␤»
AlexDaniel well sure I can do this: 03:09
m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a.map({.<a c>:kv})
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«((a 20 c 60) (a 20 c 60))␤»
AlexDaniel but what if I really want to use » ? 03:10
also:
m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a.map(*<a c>:kv)
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤You can't adverb ␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 030>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a.map(*<a c>:kv7⏏5)␤ expecting any of:␤ pair value␤»
AlexDaniel “You can't adverb”, thanks. Can't adverb what?
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perlawhirl AlexDaniel: What are you actually wanting to achieve with the » ? 03:56
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perlawhirl because you could possibly slice the hash before iterating over it... but i'm not sure what your goal is 03:57
my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; say %x<a c>:kv
m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; say %x<a c>:kv
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«(a 20 c 60)␤»
AlexDaniel perlawhirl: I have array of hashes and just want to print some slices 03:58
perlawhirl m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; say (%x<a c>:kv)».succ
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«(b 21 d 61)␤»
AlexDaniel m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a.map({.<a c>:kv})
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«((a 20 c 60) (a 20 c 60))␤»
AlexDaniel perlawhirl: ↑ this
perlawhirl: and honestly this is some random hackery I have in some temp code, but I am interested how :kv can be applied if you are using » 04:00
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AlexDaniel does not have to be hashes 04:02
m: my @a = <a b c d>, <3 4 5 6>; say @a»[0, *-1]
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«((a d) (3 6))␤»
AlexDaniel here is a simpler example
sure, you can use zip, but come on 04:03
m: my @a = <a b c d>, <3 4 5 6>; say @a»[0, *-1]:kv
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«Unexpected named argument 'kv' passed␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
perlawhirl well... i think the problem here is » will itemize the keys and values, essentially destructuring the kv pairs, so it's probably not possible
m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; @a».say
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«20␤60␤40␤20␤60␤40␤»
AlexDaniel destructuring what pairs?
I want @a»([0, *-1]:kv, not @a:kv»[0, *-1] 04:04
perlawhirl oh... i thought @a is an Array of Pairs... i see it's an Array of Hash
my mistake
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AlexDaniel m: my @a = <a b c d>, <3 4 5 6>; say @a[*]:kv»[0] 04:05
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Missing infix inside []␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3a = <a b c d>, <3 4 5 6>; say @a[*]:kv»[7⏏050]␤ expecting any of:␤ bracketed infix␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤»
AlexDaniel cannot do that too
perlawhirl but still... @a».say shows that it itemises all the key/values, so once you've done @a» you can't really :kv on it 04:06
m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a».&{ say .WHAT }
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«(IntStr)␤(IntStr)␤(IntStr)␤(IntStr)␤(IntStr)␤(IntStr)␤[{a => True, b => True, c => True} {a => True, b => True, c => True}]␤»
perlawhirl after @a» you are dealing with IntStr's, not Hashes that can be adverb'd with :kv
AlexDaniel m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a.map({.<a c>:kv})
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«((a 20 c 60) (a 20 c 60))␤»
AlexDaniel perlawhirl: ↑ here I :kv on it perfectly
perlawhirl » is not a mini-map 04:07
AlexDaniel oh right
now I remember how to do it
m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a».&{<a c>:kv}
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤You can't adverb <a c>␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a».&{<a c>:kv7⏏5}␤ expecting any of:␤ pair value␤»
AlexDaniel m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a».&(<a c>:kv)
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤You can't adverb <a c>␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a».&(<a c>:kv7⏏5)␤ expecting any of:␤ pair value␤»
AlexDaniel m: my %x = <a 20 b 40 c 60>; my @a = %x, %x; say @a».&{.<a c>:kv} 04:08
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«Odd number of elements found where hash initializer expected:␤Found 3 (implicit) elements:␤Last element seen: "b"␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel perlawhirl: ahhh, I now see what you are saying 04:09
perlawhirl » is not map
it tends to do a deeper destructure on indivial items
AlexDaniel m: my @a = <a b c d>, <3 4 5 6>; say @a».&{say $_; $_} 04:11
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«a␤b␤c␤d␤3␤4␤5␤6␤[(a b c d) (3 4 5 6)]␤»
AlexDaniel indeed
m: my @a = <30 50 60>, <3 4 5 6>; say @a».&{$_ + 5} 04:12
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«[(35 55 65) (8 9 10 11)]␤»
AlexDaniel m: my @a = <30 50 60>, <3 4 5 6>; say @a.deepmap: {$_ + 5} 04:13
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«[(35 55 65) (8 9 10 11)]␤»
AlexDaniel perlawhirl: so » is not map, it is deepmap?
perlawhirl it appears to be closer to a deepmap, yes 04:14
AlexDaniel :-/
how often people need deepmap? 04:16
» is very weird in terms of huffman coding
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AlexDaniel coimtable6: HEAD say ‘slowly getting back to life :)’ 04:19
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦«HEAD»: slowly getting back to life :)
perlawhirl again i would say that » is not a short version of map. sure it acts similar under some circumstances... semantically, it's slightly different
AlexDaniel perlawhirl: what's the difference between » and deepmap besides » being potentially parallelizable? 04:20
perlawhirl that's probably a better question for one of the core devs. I had a good example lying around of why it's "deepmap" like properties are good, but i'm at $dayjob right now. 04:22
will share if i can track it down
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AlexDaniel … segfault… 04:24
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flexibeast Hey all. i'm trying to create a grammar for vCard 4.0, and the spec transitively refers to character ranges, e.g. %xC2-DF. Looking at regexes.pod6, i can't determine if the Perl6 way to do this is as described in Perl5's perlrecharclass, e.g. `[\xC2-\xDF]`? 05:34
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moritz flexibeast: tha would be <[ \c[C2] .. \c[DF] ]> 05:59
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flexibeast moritz: Ah okay, thanks! 06:05
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scott are there any specific reasons to use or not use sigils on constants? 06:23
I was thinking of adding @ to my array constant for easier use in string interpolation - is this reasonable?
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labster m: "\x[1F4A9]".say 06:40
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«💩␤»
samcv GeekNerd_phone, perl6 or perl5
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samcv m: "/kick GeekNerd_phone ".say
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«/kick GeekNerd_phone ␤»
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labster Is there anything else we can do for you GeekNerd_phone? 06:40
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flexibeast moritz: i'd like to add information about \c to regexes.pod6. (a) Can it be used with any Unicode codepoint, e.g. \c[FFFD]? (b) Can Unicode names be used as endpoints in ranges, e.g <[ \c[LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH GRAVE] .. \c[LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE] ]>? (c) Why use \c rather than \x? 06:44
(S05, together with its apocalypse and exegesis, don't seem to answer these questions.) 06:46
psch m: say "\x41"; say "\c[LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A]"
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camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«A␤A␤» 06:46
psch \c, to me, is more for codepoint names than numbers, although it does both 06:47
m: say "\xFFFD"
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«�␤»
psch m: say "\c[FFFD]"
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unrecognized character name FFFD␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say "\c[FFFD7⏏5]"␤»
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psch oh, and it doesn't do hex apparently :) 06:47
flexibeast psch: Ah, well there we go. :-)
psch well, doesn't do hex implicitly
m: say "\c[0xFFFD]"
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«�␤»
psch m: \c[LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH GRAVE] .. \c[LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE] 06:48
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Undeclared names:␤ A used at line 1␤ AE used at line 1␤ CAPITAL used at line 1␤ GRAVE used at line 1␤ LATIN used at line 1␤ LETTER used at line 1␤ WITH used at line 1␤Und…»
psch erg, accidentally copied the line break apparently 06:49
m: say "\c[LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH GRAVE]" .. "\c[LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE]"
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«"À".."Æ"␤»
psch m: say ("\c[LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH GRAVE]" .. "\c[LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE]").elems
camelia rakudo-moar 338a70: OUTPUT«7␤»
flexibeast Hmm. So how can i determine which behaviours are part of the Perl6 spec, and which the spec leaves as 'implementation-defined'? 06:53
psch flexibeast: the spec (in progress) is roast
flexibeast: the synopses are for reference but not kept up to date
moritz flexibeast: the test suite is the spec. grep for occurrences of the patterns to see if it's tested
flexibeast psch, moritz: Okay, thanks, will do. 06:54
GeekNerd_phone hobbs is a fucking moton 06:55
*moron
been PMing me death threats and then /quit right before I sent the message threatening to call the FBI on him
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moritz GeekNerd_phone: why/how does this belong on #perl6? 06:56
GeekNerd_phone moritz: the only channel me and hobbs have in common 06:57
and my mass highlight and poop at #perl6 clearly triggered his death threats in PM
moritz wow, that's harsh 06:58
GeekNerd_phone moritz: yeah 06:59
he said someday he'd crush my skull under his foot and smile
Well he better hurry!
One year and 3 months from now I will be old enough for a concealed weapon permit
and then good fucking luck to him, if he wants to fuck with me 07:00
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samcv wew 07:01
things got steamy in here
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peteretep that was exciting 07:06
flexibeast So doing "grep -r '\\c' *" in rakudo/t/spec seems to show \x being used for hex codepoints, and \c being used for named codepoints, but "grep -r '\\c' * | grep 'range'" returns no results. 07:07
psch flexibeast: well, if character ranges are tested and \c is tested... 07:11
flexibeast: i mean, there's no new and exciting behavior in the interaction that's not covered by testing those two seperately
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moritz t/spec$ git grep '\\[cx].*\.\. 07:20
several hits for \x in regex ranges 07:21
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flexibeast Okay. 07:28
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masak morning, #perl6 07:41
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[ptc] masak: o/ 07:47
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dalek c: e89f90f | Alexis++ | doc/Language/grammars.pod6:
Fix typo.
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c: 7e5dae3 | RabidGravy++ | doc/Language/grammars.pod6:
Merge pull request #942 from flexibeast/master

Fix typo.
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dalek c: 79a5271 | Alexis++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6:
Add more examples of character class ranges.
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c: 76b6568 | RabidGravy++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6:
Merge pull request #945 from flexibeast/regexes

Add more examples of character class ranges.
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dalek osystem: dd10c43 | (Brian Duggan)++ | META.list:
Add Digest::SHA1::Native to ecosystem

See github.com/bduggan/p6-digest-sha1-native		 12:31
osystem: 3d3d3fb | niner++ | META.list:
Merge pull request #258 from bduggan/p6-digest-sha1-native

Add Digest::SHA1::Native to ecosystem
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dalek c: f642a18 | coke++ | doc/Language/mop.pod6:
use English;
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dalek c: c483276 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/Int.pod6:
Improve expmod doc

  - Clarify what it does for non-mathy types
  - Document candidate that can take non-Int types		 14:02
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jkramer I made a wonderful oneliner \o/ say [Z+] @*ARGS>>.&{[.lines.elems, .words.elems, .chars] with .IO.slurp} 14:28
Just wanted to share because I'm happy :)
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p3rln00b Anyone with OSX looking for a challenge? Rakudo's t/04-nativecall/13-union.t keeps flopping. Looking for someone to fix the issue or run diagnostics and provide more details on what actually fails. This fails only on OSX. You can build rakudo and see verbose outputput of test with cd $(mktemp -d); git clone github.com/rakudo/rakudo/ .; perl Configure.pl --gen-moar --gen-nqp --backends=moar; make; prove 14:29
-e './perl6' -vlr t/04-nativecall/13-union.t 14:30
ugexe what makes you think its only OSX? 14:31
p3rln00b ugexe: travis build results over weeks
And I ran it in a loop on Linux for ages without failkures
grondilu is not sure what C<with> is
p3rln00b grondilu: same as if except checks for definedness not truthiness 14:32
ugexe pretty sure thats been flopping on linux at least a week ago
grondilu ok, TIL
p3rln00b If it does, the flop rates are much smaller than OSX. 14:33
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jkramer p3rln00b: What? o_O 14:34
p3rln00b p3rln00b: what?
jkramer: what?
jkramer :D
I think my oneliner is wrong then :D
p3rln00b Why?
jkramer I thought it was a convenient thing to put something in $_
psch m: .say with rand > 0.1
camelia rakudo-moar a8006c: OUTPUT«True␤»
psch m: .say with rand > 0.1 14:35
camelia rakudo-moar a8006c: OUTPUT«True␤»
psch m: .say with rand > 0.9
camelia rakudo-moar a8006c: OUTPUT«False␤»
psch m: .say if rand > 0.9
camelia ( no output )
psch well, it also kinda is that
jkramer I think what wanted to use is 'given'
ugexe p3rln00b: i might be misremembering. but also until recently some native call tests could fail but still show a pass
psch but for truthy values if is probably more convenient 'cause shorter
jkramer: yeah, given always sets $_ without any checks 14:36
jkramer Good that grondilu asked :)
p3rln00b jkramer: can write [Z+] @*ARGS».IO».slurp».&{[.lines.elems, .words.elems, .chars]}
jkramer Ha, even better
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p3rln00b ugexe: pass as in make test or pass as in travis pass? Because until recently, some tests were failing but travis wasn't catching them due to broken harness 14:37
ugexe p3rln00b: both - for the same reason you bring up 14:38
p3rln00b jkramer: can write say (+.lines, +.words, .chars) given @*ARGS».IO».slurp.join 14:43
jkramer What does the +. syntax do? 14:45
p3rln00b jkramer: in this context, shorter way to write .elems 14:46
psch jkramer: it's actually e.g. +$_.lines
p3rln00b jkramer: it's not +. syntax, it's prefix + before .lines (which is $_.lines)
jkramer: in Perl 5 idiom, it's 0+@array
jkramer Ah of course, I was confused for a second :) 14:48
ugexe ([+] .lines, .words, .chars) works along those same lines 14:51
er n/m i misunderstood :o 14:52
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orangeblock I'm trying to understand how IO::Socket::Async.Supply works. Perl 6 documentation says it emits characters but whenever I use .say in the whenever block it prints entire blocks of text. 15:18
Can anyone help me understand why that happens? 15:19
jnthn It means characters (e.g. graphemes) as opposed to bytes (which you'd get with :bin)
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orangeblock so what if the text is ascii characters? 15:20
moritz what about it?
orangeblock for me it prints entire block of text not each character separately 15:21
geekosaur meanwhile, how much data you get at a time will depend on lots of things
moritz orangeblock: you get characters, just not individually
timotimo right, it triggers whenever you have data available and gives you as much as it can
geekosaur very few of them under perl's control
moritz orangeblock: if you want that, you can use .comb on the strings
jnthn Yes, it's not meant to give individual characters. If the documentation is unclear about that we should tweak it.
It just means that it's decoding them and giving you a Str
geekosaur if you are testing with a loopback socket, you will get very close to as much data received in a single read as was sent in a single write. this will differ over high latency network connections 15:22
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timotimo do we have something on supply that'll emit individual characters each time something comes around? like mapping comb over it? 15:22
orangeblock oh that helps
moritz timotimo: you can all $other-supply.emit($_) for $str.comb; 15:23
orangeblock so emit is not reliable in the sense it returns a character or a pre-defined number of chacaters but as much as it can read at any given time?
timotimo moritz: that's true.
p3rln00b Supply.map: *.comb would work I'd imagine
moritz orangeblock: as much as has arrived in one network package, usually 15:24
jnthn m: my $s = Supply.from-list("abc", "defg"); $s.flatmap(*.comb).tap(*.say)
camelia rakudo-moar a8006c: OUTPUT«a␤b␤c␤d␤e␤f␤g␤»
geekosaur and making it always break it up into independent character-entities would mean you won't be doing high throughput in p6 no matter what
timotimo good good
geekosaur you *want* it to deliver as much data as possible on each access
timotimo i expect mapping *.comb would give you lists of chars instead of individual chars
orangeblock thanks a lot guys!
jnthn Just flatmap it with comb to get a stream of actual individual chars :)
timotimo right, i saw. jnthn++
orangeblock I actually don't want the chars I want to parse irc messages
I guess I'll have to parse using a grammar 15:25
jnthn Ah, OK
If IRC is line-oriented then .lines also works
orangeblock oh yeah that caught my eye too
is it parsing until line break?
jnthn m: my $s = Supply.from-list("ab\nc", "de\nfg\n"); $s.lines.tap(*.say) 15:26
camelia rakudo-moar a8006c: OUTPUT«ab␤cde␤fg␤»
jnthn It also handles lines that end up split over incoming packets
orangeblock awesome
jnthn whenever $socket.Supply.lines -> $line { ... } or so
p3rln00b orangeblock: there's already grammar in IRC::Client, if you wanna steal it
orangeblock haha thanks I'll have a look 15:27
p3rln00b You have to keep a piece of last line around if it doesn't end with a new line and combine it with the next input you receive
jnthn away for a bit
timotimo p3rln00b: didn't jnthn just show that .lines on the supply does that for you? 15:28
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p3rln00b m: my $s = Supply.from-list("ab\nc", "de\nfg"); $s.lines.tap(*.say) 15:28
camelia rakudo-moar a8006c: OUTPUT«ab␤cde␤fg␤»
p3rln00b nope.
psch "ab\nc" 15:29
and "de\nfg"
i mean, it really looks like it works from here
timotimo looks like that to me, too
p3rln00b Ah, ok 15:30
orangeblock p3rln00b's code works fine for me
p3rln00b Well, that's why I'm a n00b :D 15:31
timotimo we're here to help :)
p3rln00b Ah. You have to read it in binary, or you'd get encoding weirdness. 15:32
And then try to decode in several formats: github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-IRC-Cl...t.pm6#L199
timotimo that'll be better as soon as we have the properer encoding stuff in place 15:34
if the code could pretend the encoding is latin1, it could use the proper .split and ignore all the left-overs stuff 15:35
then it'd encode it back to latin1 and decode the result as utf8 to get the "real" string data
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FROGGS o/ 15:40
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TimToady \o 15:42
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p3rln00b Catch 22 of 21st century: trying to renew a domain expiring today to fix a glitch with your paypal account, but failing to pay for it due to the glitch in that paypal account >_< 16:10
mspo paypal is a common thread there 16:15
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ilmari doesn't the registrar accept credit cards directly? 16:16
p3rln00b I think I found a major bug with it: if you change your primary email, all your linked cards and balances disappear... because they seem to be linked to that original primary email AND you can't add those cards again, because the site thinks they're already linked.
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p3rln00b ilmari: it does, but they emailed me my account password in plain text, so I'm a bit wary of entering my credit card info on their site. 16:17
ilmari fair point
p3rln00b (I mean, their password reminder sent me my old password, so they store it directly and not the hash) 16:18
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ilmari report them to plaintextoffenders.com/ 16:19
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p3rln00b Heh. it's already there: plaintextoffenders.com/post/8147383...i-received 16:26
Oh... I "fixed" my paypal glitch :) Turns out I have two accounts and I forgot which email I used to swap the primary address on the first account 16:28
#FirstWorldProblems
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timotimo hah 16:37
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lucasb_ there's a link in the latest weekly post, the hacktoberfest perl6 related issues, but it is a github 404 page 16:47
timotimo damn, why?
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lucasb_ idk, the link starts with 'github.com/issues'. I don't think is a valid address 16:48
p3rln00b Works fine for me 16:49
lucasb_ O.o strange... must be something on my end here then
p3rln00b lucasb_: how this: github.com/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3...ktoberfest
I see there's a UTF-8 check in the original link... maybe that's an issue 16:50
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lucasb_ ohh, I wasn't logged in on github 16:50
p3rln00b oh
lucasb_ when I logged in, it works fine! thanks
p3rln00b Sucks that it's a 404 and not an invite to log in
timotimo right 16:51
should i put a little note on that link in the blog post?
p3rln00b Yeah 16:52
timotimo crap
i clicked edit and it told me there's a more recent draft available 16:53
now i have no idea what'll change when i hit "save"
p3rln00b Don't hit save? :D
timotimo >:( 16:54
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mst timotimo: Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C 16:54
timotimo there's no side-by-side or even diff comparison thing
wordpress, wtf?
why art thou so SHIT? 16:55
lucasb_ maybe it's possible to find a search URL that also work for people who are not logged on github 16:56
timotimo .o( scrithub )
lucasb_ github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&a...ktoberfest 16:57
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kce hi 18:08
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moritz ho 18:12
lucasb_ ha 18:20
timotimo hu
psch you're all silly
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El_Che huh? 18:21
geekosaur hee
psch well, maybe not all, just the ones h<:Vowel>-ing
...though i'm sure that's not a unicode character class 18:22
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psch .u vowel 18:24
yoleaux U+065A ARABIC VOWEL SIGN SMALL V ABOVE [Mn] (◌ٚ)
U+065B ARABIC VOWEL SIGN INVERTED SMALL V ABOVE [Mn] (◌ٛ)
U+065C ARABIC VOWEL SIGN DOT BELOW [Mn] (◌ٜ)
psch m: say "◌ٜ" ~~ /<:Vowel>/
camelia rakudo-moar a8006c: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
psch m: say "a" ~~ /<:Vowel>/
camelia rakudo-moar a8006c: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
geekosaur I don't think it tries to deal with "vowel" 18:25
is "w" a vowel? what if my locale is Welse? 18:26
*Welsh
psch geekosaur: right, that's what i'm saying. vowel is probably not something that unicode can decide on a per-character basis
i mean, even sticking with ascii, what's about 'y'? 18:27
p3rln00b у is most certainly a vowel :) 18:28
psch whoops, i mean ascii and english
p3rln00b: in 'yeast' too?
geekosaur except when it's a consonant
psch or, well, 'yes'
p3rln00b .u у
yoleaux U+0443 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER U [Ll] (у)
psch ...right, the snark again :S p3rln00b++ 18:29
geekosaur heck, "r" can take on vowel properties in English
psch although i honestly don't know enough cyrillic to say if that's always a vowel, functionally vOv 18:30
geekosaur "cyrillic" is just a writing system. different languages do different things with its letters
psch right. cyrillic-using languages then :) 18:31
geekosaur so "always a vowel" may be true in one language but not another even though they both write it as у
or it's a sometimes-vowel in yet another...
languages are an utter mess >.>
psch i like to reduce that to "words are hard" :) 18:32
arnsholt Note also that r, l, m, and n are perfectly fine vowels as well
huf_ this has very little to do with languages tho :)
it's just writing
arnsholt Not to mention Berber languages (IIRC) which have sensible vowels like k, and b =D
geekosaur already mentioned r, and even that it sometimes happens in US English 18:33
arnsholt Yeah, it's pretty common
(And I see now that you mentioned it. I'm bad at scrollbacking. Sorry. =)
El_Che is impressed on how most discussions here turn into utf-8
huf_ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krk
obligatory :) 18:34
arnsholt Oh, and Welsh! They use w as a vowel
geekosaur hit that oen too (first example in fact :)
arnsholt Bah! Beaten again!
huf_ it's worse than that, because sometimes languages use vowels for consonants 18:35
such as o in "one" :D 18:36
arnsholt Yeah
English is a particularly rich source of perverse orthography, too =)
huf_ it's easy to find sillyness if you conflate as much as you can :)
moritz or inflate :-) 18:37
huf_ nah, spheres arent particularly silly
timotimo þou are kidding me! 18:38
huf_ hmm, perhaps they're sillier than cubes.
given balloons and clown noses
timotimo m: say "lol" with my $clown-nose
camelia ( no output )
timotimo maybe it should have been "honk" instead of "lol" 18:41
DrForr Oh noes, not clowns. 18:43
AlexDaniel m: slurp with my $clown-nose 18:51
camelia ( no output )
AlexDaniel no output… well, makes sense
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dogbert17 AlexDaniel: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/921 19:01
AlexDaniel dogbert17: ah, okay, let's see 19:03
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AlexDaniel dogbert17: docs.perl6.org/type/Version 19:03
dogbert17: ctrl+f Increase
dogbert17: if that one is fixed, then I think it is all 19:05
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dogbert17 AlexDaniel: it will be fixed 19:07
mspo www.google.com/get/noto/ 19:11
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TimToady In English, s can function as a vowel in the word "psst". :) 19:15
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AlexDaniel 472.6 MB huh 19:18
mspo AlexDaniel: apparently it's very complete 19:20
perlpilot I'm sure Damian or someone will whip-up a module for determining if a character functions as a vowel or not ;)
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AlexDaniel mspo: more complete than unifont? :) 19:21
mspo AlexDaniel: google fonts also tend ot come in many formats <shrug> 19:22
how big is unifont?
AlexDaniel ttf version is 12 Mb 19:23
dalek c: 9568337 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/Version.pod6:
Fixed incorrect result being shown in code example. Should fix #921
RabidGravy boom! 19:25
finally got around to releasing Term::ReadKey - *twice* :( 19:26
p3rln00b \o/ 19:27
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[Coke] anyone mind if I change 'make xtest' in perl6/doc to require TEST_JOBS ? 19:45
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[Coke] ... I think I made it optional, but probably broke it for windows. 19:55
dalek c: 0889b0b | coke++ | Makefile:
use TEST_JOBS on xtest if present
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gfldex [Coke]: may be worth to leave a note in CONTRIBUTING.md 19:57
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AlexDaniel does anybody have a grammar example for parsing math expressions with infix notation? 20:08
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FROGGS in v5 is the port of EXPR, which does this kind of stuff for nqp and rakudo 20:15
AlexDaniel: ^^
p3rln00b m: grammar { token TOP { <EXPR> }}.parse('2+2').made.say
camelia rakudo-moar 605f27: OUTPUT«No such method 'EXPR' for invocant of type '<anon|57687072>'␤ in regex TOP at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
p3rln00b aww
AlexDaniel FROGGS: um, what does it mean? 20:16
DrForr It's the core expression rule for Perl6, and the bane of my existence for about a month now :)
FROGGS it means that v5 is written in Perl 6 (not NQP) and knows about parsing complex statements with precedence etc
DrForr Oh, in Perl6? Sig. 20:17
*sigh
FROGGS aye
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FROGGS not that it compiles today, but yeah 20:17
it did once
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DrForr Tomorrow night I'm probably going to do the expression grammar for TT5, if you want to keep an eye on github.com/drforr/perl6-Template-Toolkit.git. 20:19
It's about half an hour's work, you just have to keep in mind precedence and parentheses. 20:20
FROGGS wow, that's a huge alternation :o) 20:21
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DrForr I just don't want to have to deal with regressions. When I'm done in a week or so it'll be back to maybe 3 pages worth of code. 20:23
Look at the test suite to see what I mean. 20:24
I.E. yes, I know it's a stupid way to go about it, but I don't have to backtrack as often. 20:28
FROGGS true
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Add new module Net::IP::Lite to ecosystem
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correct url
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seatek <3 <3 $*HOME - I know those are sugary, but they're sure nice to have 22:54
gfldex seatek: I can give you some ♥s if you run low 22:55
seatek gfldex, my irc client won't let me enter unicode (nor will gedit, but emacs will thankfully). but sure... I'd love some :) 22:56
gfldex ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ there you go :) 22:57
seatek i'll get fat!
oo that reminds me... butterscoth oatmeal cookies upstairs... ;) 22:58
something isn't right... i'm enjoying writing tests 23:00
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gfldex you may be writing them in Perl 6. That can explain any amount of joy. 23:00
seatek yes, it's very confusing ;) 23:01
gfldex i read this blogpost and wrote my own version of his program (a wee bit shorter) simply for the joy of writing in Perl 6 fredrb.github.io/2016/10/01/Understanding-proc/ 23:03
gist.github.com/gfldex/2b43a001e6d...3c3a837385
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seatek gfldex, very nice :) that's got a few interesting things that I still need to explore 23:17
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seatek i just love that lazy gathering stuff. 23:21
had no idea you could send constant stuff to functions like that -- a bizarre and useful thing if not somewhat perverse
gfldex constant is simply executed at compile time and very picky. You can't do anything that is not constant to begin with. No closures and such. 23:24
seatek it's a very clever twist being able to do that 23:26
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seatek internally, is that just a pointer to a "function chain" of some sort it just keeps sending the constant through, when it's required to be used? 23:29
gfldex the expression returns a constant Str. That Str is bound to format 23:30
the constant declarator implies \-sigil and \-sigil implies binding 23:31
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seatek isn't the >> to the trim part of that binding somehow? 23:33
gfldex that's executed at compile time
the format string needs to lose the spaces
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seatek but every time that constant is used, it has to run it through trim... so it's more than a constant... kinda ... i woudl think 23:34
gfldex it does not do that
the expression is evaluated at compile time
if you got precompiled modules, they will store the resulting format string
mainline programs don't got precomp yet (but it can be emulated) 23:35
seatek that expression evaluation capability, associated with a constant, seems unusual 23:36
gfldex you can think of the constant declarator as a constant folding forcer
it's very perlish actually. A BEGIN phaser in disguise (plus the addition of implicit binding)
seatek i think it could cause riots even. ;) 23:37
it makes great sense though 23:38
gfldex also, it allowes the compiler to check if you do something silly, like accessing values that are not accessible at compile time, and tell you with a nice friendls SORRY 23:39
i don't think a BEGIN phaser would do that
seatek it is very clever and convenient. i wouldn't have imagined this, unless i was not jaded by what constants are supposed to be already
it doesn't make constants any less constant 23:40
but it gives wonderful flexibility and capability
i have too much to try and start taking advantage of 23:41
gfldex++ that's what you're supposed to do when someone is nice and helpful, yes? :) 23:42
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gfldex hmm, I don't think I actually need that ».trim 23:44
seatek i wondered why you added it back
even the way you can just spread out key names like that in a hash... well, it just makes me happy. ;) 23:46
gfldex the specs wanted compile time keys for Hash but that didn't make it into the language 23:47
m: my %h{<foo bar buzz>}; like so
camelia rakudo-moar 605f27: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Invalid hash shape; type expected␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3my %h{<foo bar buzz>}7⏏5; like so␤ expecting any of:␤ constraint␤»
seatek i think we'll survive
gfldex would be much faster then to check against a set of keys every time you ask for one 23:48
seatek and you would assign to it with a list?
gfldex yes
seatek actually.... i think we won't survive... ;) 23:49
gfldex the boundary between compile time and run time is a bit blurry
i like to think that the VM can stop execution of a program at some point, ask the OS for command line options and then feed them to MAIN
that way I can have a mental picture that includes all those odd phasers 23:50
seatek well, it must wait for that, yes?
i don't know anything about phasers yet either 23:51
gfldex docs.perl6.org/language/phasers#BEGIN
:)
seatek i'm going to starve to death soon
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seatek oh it's just the normal stages stuff 23:56
oh my goodness. on steriods a bit 23:57
gfldex COMPOSE is funky :)
seatek so does FIRST have the same issues as once? 23:58
LAST would too then 23:59
wait - threads make all of that crazy

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