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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “List method flatmap is inappropriately discouraged”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1428#i...-326706949 00:00
AlexDaniel m: say ^9999999 .pick 00:07
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Geth doc/polymod-digits: 1fd4b0f3bf | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/Int.pod6
Document the use of polymod for base conversion

Attempt to resolve issue #1436.		 00:11
doc: AlexDaniel++ created pull request #1487:
Document the use of polymod for base conversion		 00:12
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened pull request “Document the use of polymod for base conversion”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1487
🍕 AlexDaniel++ requested a review on pull request “Document the use of polymod for base conversion”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1487
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Document the use of `.po…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1436#i...-326708241
samcv AlexDaniel, more traps! 00:19
Geth doc: a0e4e79627 | (Samantha McVey)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Add to traps, information about Normalization and .chars
samcv added stuff about how to get codepoits, graphemes and bytes, and that strings are normalized and refer them to the correct sections
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AlexDaniel samcv: nice! 00:21
samcv: what if we change the example to this? 00:23
m: my $s = “\c[LATIN SMALL LETTER J WITH CARON]” ~ “\c[COMBINING DOT BELOW]” x 200; say $s.chars; say $s.codes; say $s.encode.bytes
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samcv why? 00:24
that's a silly example
AlexDaniel I think it makes it more obvious what this trap may cause
samcv i mean 2 1 and 4 are all different numbers
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AlexDaniel i.e. you're checking for length and it's only one character, so you think it's fine. In reality it's a kilobyte when you store it somewhere in encoded form :-/ 00:25
samcv: k fair enough, it's fine then :) 00:26
samcv: personally I think it says enough, but I've created so many trap tickets that I already hear people saying “well that's exactly what I expected, can't see the trap at all” 00:29
squashable6: status 00:30
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈11 hours
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/0c3110762ba1de63aa...3ce35502cc
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Geth doc: 95a783edee | (Samantha McVey)++ | doc/Language/unicode.pod6
Move Information on normalization higher up on Unicode page
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doc: 25d41281b8 | (Samantha McVey)++ | doc/Language/unicode.pod6
Add link to MoarVM string documentation on Unicode page
doc: 30f6e1a967 | MasterDuke17++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Fix typo
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squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by MasterDuke17++! ♥
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “Linking to pragmas”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1488 00:46
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Linking to pragmas”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1488
🍕 AlexDaniel++ self-assigned issue “Tips for negation on grep, first, etc.”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1425 00:47
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zoll thought OP had overly long signature in RT#130520 00:55
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samcv i think i'm going to bump MoarVM so everybody can get faster string ops! 00:58
AlexDaniel \o/
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zoll re flatmap: keeping a function due to similarity to any other language or low usage (while it's young) are a weak point afas Perl 6 is concerned. 01:11
s/afas/AFA/ 01:12
... also AFAIAC.
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AlexDaniel yeah 01:15
but IMO for the doc ticket this is irrelevant.
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samcv power went out for like 20 mins 01:22
you get a faster string and you get a fsater string, everyone gets faster strings! 01:25
Geth doc/polymod-digits: 704b601ce8 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/List.pod6
Suggest none-junction, explain why !/…/ works

Hopefully resolves #1425.
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ synchronize pull request “Document the use of polymod for base conversion”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1487
AlexDaniel ah Fffffffffffffff… I pushed to a wrong branch 01:26
Geth doc: 32faa8e862 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/List.pod6
Suggest none-junction, explain why !/…/ works

Hopefully resolves #1425.		 01:27
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “Tips for negation on grep, first, etc.”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1425
🍕 AlexDaniel++ synchronize pull request “Document the use of polymod for base conversion”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1487 01:28
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “grapheme is not searchable”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1403#i...-326713744 01:35
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[Coke] wonders if tinita someone tpf just emailed. 01:39
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squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ wrote a comment on “Document the use of polymod for base conversion”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1487#iss...-326714434 01:48
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squashable6 🍕 rafaelschipiura++ wrote a comment on “Document the use of polymod for base conversion”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1487#iss...-326714645 01:52
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Geth doc/master: 5 commits pushed by (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ 01:55
squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by coke++! ♥
Zoffix [Coke]: what did you have to install on hack to get doc highlights working? I'm trying to run make init highlights, but it tells me I ain't got node. The CONTRIBUTING.md says I need "nodejs" installed which apt-get tells me is already installed 01:56
I mean I'm trying to run it locally and I have system similar to hack. 01:57
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[Coke] apt-get installed an insanely old version. 01:58
so I installed the latest off the node side (which included an npm, then I had to install node-gyp)
*site
(if you don't install node-gyp, it runs the old one that got installed with apt-get, which then uses the wrong node anyway) 01:59
Zoffix "node-gyp is already the newest version."
[Coke] I find it's rarely worth doing the highlights locally unless you're specifically testing that.
Zoffix I'm specifically testing styles
[Coke] ... apt-get is lying to you. :)
Zoffix What do I do? 02:00
[Coke] don't use apt-get to install node.
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samcv Zoffix, are you sure that's why it's failing? 02:00
[Coke] what version is your node?
AlexDaniel [Coke]++ # fixing things after “uncareful” contributors :)
Zoffix [Coke]: I don't know.
samcv node --version 02:01
[Coke] node --version
Zoffix $ node --version
The program 'node' can be found in the following packages:
* node
[Coke] I have 6.11 locally on my mac.
Zoffix * nodejs-legacy
[Coke] try nodejs --version # apt-get renamed node
Zoffix v0.10.25
samcv WOW 02:02
[Coke] O_o
samcv yeah that's too old
Zoffix How do I fix it?
[Coke] I think it was 4.x on the doc server when I upgraded it.
nodejs.org/en/download/
samcv i'd recommend at least 6
though 4 max work?
[Coke] 4 didn't work on docs. 02:03
(which is why I tried the upgrade)
Zoffix [Coke]: so after you downloaded what did you do next? I see no installer on anything 02:04
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Zoffix was hoping copy-pastable instructions would appear in CONTRIBUTING.md after hack needed an arduous process of figuring out the same thing :/ 02:07
I think I got a deb installed now
samcv: do those highlights work on the front-end or do they have to be pre-generated? 02:08
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raschipi In newer packages, node is taking over /usr/bin/node 02:08
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Zoffix k, I think it worked this time 02:08
samcv Zoffix, well you should just be able to run `make init-highlights` and it should get everything ready fr you. the only prerequisite is node 02:09
everything else it sets up for you 02:10
and you need a c++ compiler
[Coke] Zoffix: I did update github.com/perl6/infrastructure-do...c.org.pod, but that was it, and with not much more than I said here, though, sorry. 02:11
samcv Zoffix, what version of gcc/g++ do you have?
hopefully it's not like ancient as hell
Zoffix samcv: I'm asking for the future where the doc site's pod is stuffed into SQLite database and whether we need to pre-render the markup to get highlights or there's a way to render them on the front end in the browser. 02:12
[Coke] samcv: I also needed to explicitly install node-gyp
because there was an old version in the path.
samcv Zoffix, oh. well we only have prerendering. but we could have on demand
oh front end 02:13
yeah that wouldn'1t work
Geth doc: de4da5658f | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | CONTRIBUTING.md
List highlights prereq instructions for Debian
samcv having the browser do it. i mean could be a local server we start up that renders the pod and highlights it then serves it, but
[Coke] Zoffix++
samcv it doesn't use node's regex engine to work, it uses onigumura 02:14
Geth doc: e5893a7f12 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | CONTRIBUTING.md
Fix broken markdown list rendering
Zoffix Ok. Thanks.
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raiph bobsutton.typepad.com/my_weblog/200...study.html is about a multi decade scientific study that includes a real deal version of the waterspray story 02:19
.hug Zoffix
huggable hugs Zoffix
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AlexDaniel buggable: pizza raiph 02:21
buggable raiph, enjoy this slice of Deluxe pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
Zoffix \o/ 02:22
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Geth Pod-To-HTML: 3baf65bca9 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 4 files
Implement ability to disable CSS <link> inclusion
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squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Document use of method i…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1121#i...-326716712 02:33
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by zakame++! ♥
zakame heya, good morning :)
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ wrote a comment on “Document use of method i…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1121#i...-326716793 02:34
Zoffix buggable: pizza zakame
buggable zakame, enjoy this slice of Hawaiian pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
Zoffix :)
zakame .hug Zoffix 02:35
huggable hugs Zoffix
Zoffix \o/ 02:37
raschipi <o>
Zoffix | 02:38
/|\
War of The Worlds :)
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Document use of method i…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1121#i...-326717110 02:42
raschipi took some time, but now I see. :)
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AlexDaniel m: react whenever signal(SIGINT).merge(signal(SIGHUP)) { say ‘hey!’; exit 0 } 03:08
camelia (timeout) 03:09
AlexDaniel m: react whenever signal(SIGINT).merge(signal(SIGTERM)) { say ‘hey!’; exit 0 }
camelia (timeout)Unhandled exception in code scheduled on thread 4
Cannot resolve caller postcircumfix:<[ ]>(Mu, Int); none of these signatures match:
(\SELF, Any:U $type, |c is raw)
(\SELF, int $pos)
(\SELF, int $pos, Mu \assignee)
(\S…
AlexDaniel why?
m: react whenever signal(SIGTERM).merge(signal(SIGINT)) { say ‘hey!’; exit 0 }
camelia (timeout)hey! 03:10
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AlexDaniel is it a bug in .merge or something? 03:10
samcv hmm i kind of want to make a pod to asciidoc extension. since i write all my things in asciidoc now because of all the things it has markdown lacks. don't really need it. but could be fun to make 03:12
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AlexDaniel meh. RT #132016 03:15
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=132016
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audiatorix Does anyone know of a good Perl 6 webserver, or a webserver than can interface easily with Perl 6? I found perl6-web by supernovus on GitHub, but it seems abandoned and has errors 03:29
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perigrin audiatorix: github.com/ufobat/HTTP-Server-Ogre maybe? 03:32
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audiatorix Hmm. Looking for something with a good backend API, because my project involves a good amount of interaction 03:34
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audiatorix Something more like the project I mentioned above--or perhaps I could go about fixing it myself 03:35
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audiatorix Ugh, I really wanted to avoid digging through code but I suppose it's my best option at this point 03:36
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perigrin Something more like Bailador 03:36
a framework not a server
?
hmm no this is more in between 03:37
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perigrin github.com/tokuhirom/p6-Crust 03:37
I think is more what you want
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perigrin github.com/supernovus/perl6-http-easy also relevant I think 03:39
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zakame m: class C { method f(::?CLASS:U: $c, $p) { say "Class $c, $p" }}; C.f("hello") 03:44
camelia Too few positionals passed; expected 3 arguments but got 2
in method f at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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zakame m: class C { method f(::?CLASS:U:, $p) { say "$?CLASS, $p" }}; C.f("hello") 03:46
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Malformed parameter
at <tmp>:1
------> 3class C { method f(::?CLASS:U:7⏏5, $p) { say "$?CLASS, $p" }}; C.f("hello
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AlexDaniel .hug snarkyboojum 03:49
huggable hugs snarkyboojum
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zoll weekend+holiday in US; have fun (or, not). ta. 03:51
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raiph AlexDaniel: thx for pizza, plan to eat it cold over weekend doing some doc stuff :) 03:54
AlexDaniel \o/
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raiph audiatorix : have you seen mi.cro.services ? 03:55
(oh, looks like they left)
Geth doc/procreact: 83733ce120 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/Proc/Async.pod6
Proc::Async example with ｢react｣

Tackle issue #1468.
IMO in this case it is reasonable to expect that people will be copying the example and reducing it to their needs, so I tried to include everything that may be needed. ... (6 more lines)
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doc: AlexDaniel++ created pull request #1489:
Proc::Async example with ｢react｣
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened pull request “Proc::Async example with ｢react｣”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1489
🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited pull request “Proc::Async example with ｢react｣”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1489
🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited pull request “Proc::Async example with ｢react｣”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1489 03:57
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pompomcrab question: is there an equivalent to $|++ to flush STDOUT in p6? i have several scripts that do shell() thingies and i'd like to see the output in realitime 03:59
i greped through the perl6-all-modules git repo but didn't find anything that appears to do it
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AlexDaniel pompomcrab: are you sure that there is any caching involved? 04:03
oops, buffering*
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AlexDaniel pompomcrab: I think there's some other issue with your code. Do you any example? 04:04
have*
AlexDaniel is about to fall asleep :)
pompomcrab AlexDaniel: i'm just running wrapper scripts around "./configure && make && make install" and STDOUT only flushes at the end after all 3 commands are finished executing
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AlexDaniel pompomcrab: how do you read stdout? 04:05
pompomcrab i.e. say shell("./configure && make && make install") is really all i'm doing
raschipi you need Proc::Async 04:06
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AlexDaniel pompomcrab: well, but shell(‘echo 42; sleep 3; echo 50’) produces the output continuously, right? 04:08
AlexDaniel is confused
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AlexDaniel I really can't see what could be buffering the output in this case :-/ 04:09
pompomcrab AlexDaniel: yah i'm not sure what could be caching plain-old configure/make/make-install
i just assumed it has to be $|++ because that's what it was in p5 04:10
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Geth doc/procreact: 96521e67ce | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/Proc/Async.pod6
Show example output
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ synchronize pull request “Proc::Async example with ｢react｣”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1489
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AlexDaniel squashable6: status 04:12
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈7 hours
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/e9bc70397785b6d089...6eddb0b684
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Geth doc/procreact: b8587c8774 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/Proc/Async.pod6
Show how to get exit code from Proc::Async

Possibly resolves issue #1465.		 04:17
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ synchronize pull request “Proc::Async example with ｢react｣”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1489
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ self-assigned issue “Unreadable type graphs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/246 04:19
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Add note to footer about missing docs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/541#is...-326720925 04:22
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “lazy, eager, hyper, race…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/534#is...-326721044 04:24
🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited a comment on “lazy, eager, hyper, race…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/534#is...-326721044 04:25
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travis-ci Doc build passed. Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev 'Proc::Async example with ｢react｣ 04:25
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/271074415 github.com/perl6/doc/commit/83733ce1201c
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “lazy, eager, hyper, race…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/534 04:25
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Regex )> and <( are not documented”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/462#is...-326721168 04:29
🍕 AlexDaniel++ assigned issue “Regex )> and <( are not documented” to zoffixznet: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/462
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “add more detail about implicit return”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/388#is...-326721258 04:31
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Native Types Not Documented”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/372#is...-326721295 04:32
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Native Types Not Documented”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/372
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Need a way to mark which…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/302#is...-326721329 04:34
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travis-ci Doc build passed. Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev 'Show example output' 04:35
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travis-ci Doc build passed. Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev 'Show how to get exit code from Proc::Async 04:43
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AlexDaniel aaaaaaaaaaaand where's pod2onepage ? 04:52
unnecessarymulti just spent a solid minute looking for the rakudo repo on the perl6 github and wondered why it disappeared
oops
AlexDaniel I have Pod::To::BigPage installed but no pod2onepage, weird… 04:53
unnecessarymulti: yeah, it's github.com/rakudo/rakudo/
unnecessarymulti yeah, +1 AlexDaniel :) 04:54
raschipi unnecessarymulti: instead of using the sum operator like that, you can shorten it to the ++ operator which does the same. 04:55
unnecessarymulti ++raschipi 04:56
:p
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raschipi One day someone will write a bot for this channel that goes through the history and counts peoples karma. 04:59
AlexDaniel raschipi: you can kinda do that with quotable, but it's broken do to RT #131961 05:03
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=131961
AlexDaniel quotable6: AlexDaniel++
quotable6 AlexDaniel, 04===SORRY!04=== Error while compiling /tmp/xIdj9y8Ffv␤Quantifier quantifies nothing␤at /tmp/xIdj9y8Ffv:2␤------> 03m⦑ AlexDaniel++08⏏04 ⦒; «exit code = 1»
AlexDaniel quotable6: ‘AlexDaniel++’
quotable6 AlexDaniel, MasterDuke: I'm acting stupid on #perl6. Help me.
AlexDaniel, Sorry kid, that's not my department.
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AlexDaniel well… 05:03
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squashable6 🍕 jonathanstowe++ wrote a comment on “Proc::Async example with ｢react｣”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1489#iss...-326723743 05:39
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by jonathanstowe++! ♥
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “List.squish supports “wi…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1490 05:59
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “List.squish supports “wi…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1490
Geth doc/traps-indent-fix: 9fd6354e6e | Altai-man++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Fix examples indentation
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squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by Altai-man++! ♥
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Geth doc: Altai-man++ created pull request #1491:
Fix examples indentation		 06:03
squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ opened pull request “Fix examples indentation”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1491
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squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ self-assigned issue “List.squish supports “wi…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1490 06:08
Geth doc: 9fd6354e6e | Altai-man++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Fix examples indentation
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doc: 1b66b662b6 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Merge pull request #1491 from perl6/traps-indent-fix

Fix examples indentation
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ merged pull request “Fix examples indentation”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1491
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ self-assigned issue “｢.nl-in｣ and ｢.nl-out｣ s…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/484 06:11
🍕 gfldex++ opened pull request “add t/meta.t”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1492
Geth doc: gfldex++ created pull request #1492:
add t/meta.t
squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by gfldex++! ♥
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Document `with` of `squish`
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Geth doc: Altai-man++ created pull request #1493:
Document `with` of `squish`		 06:19
squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ opened pull request “Document `with` of `squish`”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1493
🍕 Altai-man++ requested a review on pull request “Document `with` of `squish`”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1493
Geth doc: a837f18b94 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | htmlify.p6
Fix methods being mistakenly called routines

Resolves #484.
  @subkinds is an array like:
   [Array[Str].new("method"), Array[Str].new("method")]
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “｢.nl-in｣ and ｢.nl-out｣ s…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/484
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Document `with` of `squish`”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1493#iss...-326725532 06:22
Geth doc: f3b58a1434 | Altai-man++ | doc/Type/List.pod6
Document `with` of `squish`
doc: c060da8a49 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/List.pod6
Merge pull request #1493 from perl6/1490-fix

Document `with` of `squish`
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “List.squish supports “wi…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1490
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ merged pull request “Document `with` of `squish`”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1493
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Geth doc: 53b822af26 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/List.pod6
Use curly/ascii quotes consistently

Both examples are supposed to show the same thing, so there should be no difference in quote styles. For now, let's default to ascii quotes in such cases.		 06:24
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ requested a review on pull request “add t/meta.t”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1492 06:25
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gfldex AlexDaniel: travis is still working on that one 06:26
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AlexDaniel gfldex: sure 06:27
sena_kun docs.perl6.org/type/Any#method_kv - there is a whole lot of TODOs. I can try to document it, can someone who is familliar with Any semantics review it afterwards? 06:28
AlexDaniel sena_kun: we will figure it out
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sena_kun roger~ 06:29
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “A lot of TODOs in Any”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1494
🍕 AlexDaniel++ assigned issue “A lot of TODOs in Any” to Altai-man: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1494
AlexDaniel sena_kun: here's a ticket for convenience
sena_kun thanks. 06:30
gfldex AlexDaniel: please merge /pull/1492, it's a requirement for a blogpost. Travis is happy with it. 06:32
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P6steve good morning 06:33
AlexDaniel o/ 06:34
Geth doc: 34956a9d40 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | 2 files
add t/meta.t
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doc: 4f3bfb3b1d | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2 files
Merge pull request #1492 from gfldex/master

add t/meta.t
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ merged pull request “add t/meta.t”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1492
sena_kun github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...ny.pm#L469 - it's here, but
AlexDaniel buggable: pizza gfldex
buggable gfldex, enjoy this slice of Meatzaa pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
sena_kun m: my $a; $a.sum;
camelia Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
sena_kun m: Any.sum; # the result is obvious, though 06:36
camelia Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
P6steve seeing everyone go ⚛, I am thinking of using a unicode in my project when overloading to avoid conflict and to make it pd obvious when common operators have been tinkered with
I use pain old vi - but it seems to struggle with these double width unicode chars - the next char gets eclipsed by the right half of the unicode - should I dump vi? what works? (macOS) 06:38
gfldex lolibloggedalittle: gfldex.wordpress.com/2017/09/02/hu...nted-bugs/
unnecessarymulti who's ready to SQUASH. SOME. BUGS
Geth doc: 2e76a290bd | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | META6.json
Trailing whitespace and EOF newline

Because OCD
AlexDaniel .pizza unnecessarymulti
buggable: pizza unnecessarymulti
buggable unnecessarymulti, enjoy this slice of Margherita pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
gfldex P6steve: i'm using vim in screen in putty and it works fine. So might just be your terminal.
unnecessarymulti .eternalbliss AlexDaniel 06:40
buggable pls
P6steve ok - thanks gilded - I'll try to improve my vi/vim settings
AlexDaniel P6steve: yeah, it may very well be your terminal 06:41
unnecessarymulti are there apocalypse/exegesis docs for those not listed in design.perl6.org? 06:42
AlexDaniel unnecessarymulti: no. Also, all materials there are noticeably outdated 06:43
unnecessarymulti i'm moreso reading them for context, not correctness
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unnecessarymulti but thanks AlexDaniel :) 06:44
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Document invocant in method signature		 06:55
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ opened pull request “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495
Geth doc: gfldex++ created pull request #1496:
use react in Proc::Async, closes #1468		 06:57
squashable6 🍕 gfldex++ opened pull request “use react in Proc::Async, closes #1468”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1496
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🍕 Altai-man++ edited a comment on “A lot of TODOs in Any”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1494#i...-326727105
🍕 gfldex++ synchronize pull request “use react in Proc::Async, closes #1468”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1496 07:05
🍕 AlexDaniel++ submitted a review on pull request “use react in Proc::Async, closes #1468”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1496#pul...w-60270412 07:08
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on a review for “use react in Proc::Async, closes #1468”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1496#dis...r136690920
gfldex AlexDaniel: `once` and threads may not mix well. Not sure but I would be careful. One would have to ask jnthn I guess.
AlexDaniel gfldex: shouldn't be a problem in react block 07:09
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🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on a review for “use react in Proc::Async, closes #1468”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1496#dis...r136691110
P6steve for those on macOS Terminal, iTerm-2 (nightly build) gitlab.com/gnachman/iterm2/wikis/u...nswitching fixes emoji overlap such as >print 💩👻🎅⭕❗🎁 07:21
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AlexDaniel gfldex: I know that my PR may be a bit too complex, but it is kinda correct. The whole Proc::Async thing is a mothertrap unfortunately :-/ 07:22
Geth doc: gfldex++ created pull request #1497:
be more precise about return types of sub await
squashable6 🍕 gfldex++ opened pull request “be more precise about return types of sub await”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1497
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gfldex AlexDaniel: did you test your example in RL code? 07:24
AlexDaniel Alright I have to get some sleep. Have a nice squashathon everyone o/
sena_kun o/
AlexDaniel gfldex: RL code?
gfldex: ah real-life code.
Skarsnik hello 07:25
AlexDaniel gfldex: well, I tested the handling of signals, I don't think I use exactly that anywhere else
gfldex: I did test your example too, it truly leaves the process behind :) 07:26
gfldex AlexDaniel: I think anything you provide should be shown in an example, just not in one go.
squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ edited a comment on “A lot of TODOs in Any”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1494#i...-326727105 07:27
AlexDaniel gfldex: I guess you are right. Because of RT #132016 handling of more than one signal at the same time should be omitted too
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=132016
gfldex AlexDaniel: it depends on the process. If you close STDIN most processes will terminate. One does have to explicit with terminating processes indeed. What should be handled in another example, maybe at method kill. 07:28
AlexDaniel gfldex: and the delay for SIGKILL on repeated SIGTERM/SIGINT too
gfldex: that's questionable. I hope we can do better than having an example in the lead of a page that works half of the times… 07:29
IIRC rakudo does not terminate on closed stdin or stdout 07:30
so you can close everything and it will be left doing its thing 07:31
gfldex AlexDaniel: any time one forces to stop a process it will work half of the time. Some processes don't do cleanup when you send them a SIGQUIT.
AlexDaniel as long as it does not attempt to read or write
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gfldex does $proc.kill really sends SIGHUP? I would have guessed SIGQUIT. 07:31
SIGTERM even 07:32
AlexDaniel yeah
yeah, SIGTERM would be better
gfldex I will comment on your PR.
AlexDaniel gfldex: there's another problem with it, and this is why it sends sighup…
gfldex: if you start a process with proc::async, the process itself may start other processes 07:33
so if you want to bring the whole thing down, you have to be a bit smarter than what rakudo can currently do
i.e. bring the whole tree down
SIGHUP just happens to do that, occasionally 07:34
in perl5 you can send -SIGTERM (negated) and it will do the right thing
gfldex if you send HUP to fetchmail it wont :)
AlexDaniel right, but you're screwed either way 07:35
from perl5 docs: “A negative signal name is the same as a negative signal number, killing process groups instead of processes. For example, kill '-KILL', $pgrp and kill -9, $pgrp will send SIGKILL to the entire process group specified. That means you usually want to use positive not negative signals.” 07:36
I don't know what they're trying to say by “you usually want” 07:37
but you definitely don't want to leave a bunch of processes behind if you had to terminate something
IIRC if you Ctrl+C in the terminal, SIGINT is sent to a process group, not just the top process 07:38
Skarsnik probably mean like if you have 10 perl process running and one stuck you just want to kill the right one?
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Description of all IRC bots”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/711#is...-326728541
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Description of all IRC bots”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/711#is...-326728666 07:42
Skarsnik AlexDaniel, did you try my fix? (just to know if I have to retest) 07:44
AlexDaniel Skarsnik: no
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Description of all IRC bots”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/711#is...-326728793
AlexDaniel Skarsnik: well, not yet :) 07:45
Skarsnik: but please don't hold your breath, I have to sleep and then there's the remaining part of the squashathon… :) 07:46
lancew Good morning everyone! I'm hoping to participate in the bug squashathon. :-) Now... to find the easy ones. 07:48
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AlexDaniel buggable: pizza lancew 07:49
buggable lancew, enjoy this slice of Hawaiian pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
AlexDaniel lancew: you can try going through github.com/perl6/doc/labels/LHF and github.com/perl6/doc/labels/Hacktoberfest 07:51
Skarsnik ok. I will look at it after breafast 07:52
AlexDaniel lancew: but looking at it now, it seems like there are some other issues (not marked as LHF) that may be relatively easy
squashable6 🍕 lancew++ wrote a comment on “Add note to footer about missing docs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/541#is...-326729099 07:53
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by lancew++! ♥
🍕 toolforger++ wrote a comment on “Description of all IRC bots”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/711#is...-326729113
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by toolforger++! ♥
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AlexDaniel “search” tickets may be relatively easy if you learn how to add things to the index github.com/perl6/doc/issues?q=is%3...l%3Asearch 07:54
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ assigned issue “Add note to footer about missing docs” to coke: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/541
lancew Thanks AlexDaniel Having a scan through. I am working today but have "some" time
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AlexDaniel squashable6: status 07:55
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈4 hours
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/bd92413955ae4241bb...a5de77ffd1
AlexDaniel lancew: in your timezone you'll probably have some time tomorrow also :)
lancew :-) 07:56
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Skarsnik AlexDaniel, go to sleep and squash ! 07:58
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Description of all IRC bots”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/711#is...-326729300 07:59
AlexDaniel Skarsnik: have to admit the squashathon is addictive :)
Skarsnik .squash 08:00
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Int/Real.rand is ambiguous”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/787#is...-326729429 08:01
teatime Skarsnik: No such method 'squash' for invocant of type 'Any'. Did you mean 'squish'?
AlexDaniel o/ 08:05
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squashable6 🍕 zakame++ opened pull request “Clear ambiguity regarding Int/Real rand()”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1498 08:50
Geth doc: zakame++ created pull request #1498:
Clear ambiguity regarding Int/Real rand()
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squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ wrote a comment on “Clear ambiguity regarding Int/Real rand()”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1498#iss...-326733765 09:36
Geth doc: 032f754dc2 | (Zak B. Elep)++ | doc/Type/Real.pod6
Clear ambiguity regarding Int/Real rand()

Specify whether the endpoints are included or not when selecting the pseudo-random number.
References:
  - github.com/perl6/roast/blob/master....t#L13-L30
  - github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/mast...c#L97-L116
Fixes #787.		 09:37
squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ closed issue “Int/Real.rand is ambiguous”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/787
🍕 Altai-man++ merged pull request “Clear ambiguity regarding Int/Real rand()”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1498
doc: be9a3c6dae | Altai-man++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Real.pod6
Merge pull request #1498 from zakame/clear-rand-ambiguity

Clear ambiguity regarding Int/Real rand()
zakame buggable: pizza sena_kun
buggable sena_kun, enjoy this slice of Mexican Green Wave pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Clear ambiguity regarding Int/Real rand()”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1498#iss...-326733825 09:38
Geth doc: gfldex++ created pull request #1499:
tell what use is looking for, hint to where. closes #1454		 09:41
squashable6 🍕 gfldex++ opened pull request “tell what use is looking…”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1499
🍕 Altai-man++ wrote a comment on “tell what use is looking…”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1499#iss...-326733996 09:43
Geth doc: c094277e22 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/modules.pod6
tell what use is looking for, hint to where. closes #1454
doc: de4818124b | Altai-man++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/modules.pod6
Merge pull request #1499 from gfldex/#1454

tell what use is looking for, hint to where. closes #1454
squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ merged pull request “tell what use is looking…”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1499
🍕 Altai-man++ closed issue “be explicit that `use` looks for *.pm and *.pm6”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1454
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Type constraint smileys …”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1469#i...-326734035 09:44
🍕 gfldex++ opened issue “we don't tell where modu…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1500
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Fix up indentation
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Show how to put modules into default locations. closes #1500		 09:55
squashable6 🍕 gfldex++ opened pull request “Show how to put modules …”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1501
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pmurias re signals bug, I guess we need to figure out how we want that to work and fix it 10:51
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pmurias rather then document that it's buggged 10:51
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pmurias I'm not sure if we want to expose signal numbers as an enum as it seems to be specific to a given os+architecture 11:04
leont Also they're sometimes not unique 11:05
pmurias leont: you mean two different signal share a number? 11:17
leont A signal may have more than one name 11:18
E.G. SIGIO/SIGPOLL
(on Linux)
And real-time signals don't really have a name, they're commonly used as SIGRTMIN + 6 and such 11:19
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lizmat I guess we need to get the info of $*KERNEL.signals into the enums somehow at install time 11:29
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jnthn fwiw, I never intended the enum values to mean anything other than a value that would be mapped by the underlying VM 11:30
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jnthn Since otherwise trying to do things like building the bytecode files on one (powerful) platform and shipping them to some other tiny one, which just needed a MoarVM built, would go very badly. 11:32
(As the numbers may be different.)
I figure that's why the introspection interface is on $*KERNEL rather than $?KERNEL 11:33
sena_kun m: say Any.produce(&[**]);
camelia Nil
sena_kun I can safely assume that `produce` returns `Nil` with any args? 11:34
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jnthn So anyways, y'all are looking at a concious design call rather than a bug. :) You can of course disagree with the design call, so long as you understand the consequences. :) 11:34
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lizmat jnthn: do you agree that they *could* be enums, but created at install time ? 11:46
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jnthn It's an enum now, no? 11:48
m: say SIGINT.HOW.^name
camelia Perl6::Metamodel::EnumHOW
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squashable6 🍕 moritz++ self-assigned issue “docs.perl6.org/l…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1461 12:23
Geth doc: 442a922e06 | (Moritz Lenz)++ | html/.htaccess
/language now redirects to language.html

This is for issue #1461
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be more precise about return types of sub await
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squashable6 🍕 moritz++ merged pull request “be more precise about return types of sub await”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1497 12:25
🍕 zoffixznet++ closed issue “Regex )> and <( are not documented”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/462 12:26
🍕 zoffixznet++ wrote a comment on “Regex )> and <( are not documented”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/462#is...-326741237
🍕 moritz++ edited a review on pull request “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#pul...w-60274847 12:28
🍕 moritz++ submitted a review on pull request “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#pul...w-60274847
🍕 moritz++ wrote a comment on a review for “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#dis...r136694973
🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on a review for “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#dis...r136695012 12:29
🍕 zakame++ submitted a review on pull request “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#pul...w-60274883
Geth doc: 60860aecc9 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed by Moritz Lenz) | doc/Type/Proc/Async.pod6
Proc::Async example with ｢react｣

Tackle issue #1468.
IMO in this case it is reasonable to expect that people will be copying the example and reducing it to their needs, so I tried to include everything that may be needed. ... (6 more lines)		 12:30
squashable6 🍕 moritz++ merged pull request “Proc::Async example with ｢react｣”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1489
doc: 839ce8b930 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed by Moritz Lenz) | doc/Type/Proc/Async.pod6
Show example output
doc: fb916ea6d7 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed by Moritz Lenz) | doc/Type/Proc/Async.pod6
Show how to get exit code from Proc::Async

Possibly resolves issue #1465.
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squashable6 🍕 zakame++ synchronize pull request “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495 12:33
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pmurias jnthn: re design decision choosing misleading numbers as enum values seems really unfortunate 12:35
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timotimo oh wow, this failure mode for grammar::tracer is amazing 12:37
it only shows TOP, but for every test in the file it starts at a deeper nesting level
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ wrote a comment on “Type constraint smileys …”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1469#i...-326741736 12:38
piojo that's what you get when you write a super amazing debugging tool in 44 lines ;)
at least, I read a blog that said it was 44 lines. Haven't checked.
timotimo you mean grammar tracer?
piojo timotimo: yeah
timotimo that one's a little bigger than that
piojo The article said the debugger is longer, but tracer is short 12:39
lizmat jnthn: how about this idea: having the make file run a tools/build/MAKE_SIGNALS.nqp that would modify src/core/signals.pm before concatenating for the core setting build ?
timotimo it has a "use Grammar::Debugger::WrapCache" in there that could very well be added to the line count
pmurias lizmat: in the setting the enum values are mapped to constants from nqp
piojo `zef look`ing now...
lizmat pmurias: so you're saying the nqp values are wrong ? 12:40
pmurias lizmat: for example there is a mapping between SIGKILL and nqp::const::SIG_KILL
lizmat: I'm looking into it but it seems that MoarVM sends the wrong signal
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squashable6 🍕 moritz++ submitted a review on pull request “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#pul...w-60275062 12:42
🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Type constraint smileys …”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1469#i...-326741942 12:43
pmurias lizmat: the precise value of SIGKILL and nqp::const::SIG_KILL should matter at all (even if they where for example 777 and 888) but MoarVM should use the correct signal for the OS 12:45
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Zoffix "should we solidify calling these particular constraints as "type smileys"?" If anyone wants to chime in: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1469#i...-326741942 12:47
I thought that's what we called it, but maybe that's just a colloquial 12:48
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zakame haha yeah "definiteness/definedness type constraints" can get a mouthful rather quick :D 12:51
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pmurias do we have something like an enum but that blocks the user to get the actual value? 12:54
Geth doc: 540f62d3a8 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | Makefile
Make `make run` run morbo

  - Morbo auto-restarts the app after changes to watched files
doc: 75a1b67111 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 2 files
Remove insertion of default Pod::To::HTML CSS

  - Fixes #1407
  - The look after this commit appears to be the same as pre-commit
   so it doesn't look like the removed CSS was doing much of a job
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ closed issue “using CSS from another perl6.org site”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1407
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jnthn lizmat: Sure, if you agree that "you can build Rakudo on one system and ship the bytecode files to another" is something we no longer care to support. 12:55
squashable6 🍕 moritz++ closed pull request “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495
🍕 moritz++ reopened pull request “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495
Geth doc: 7b7c09841b | (Zak B. Elep)++ (committed by Moritz Lenz) | doc/Language/objects.pod6
Document invocant in method signature

Add documentation on setting invocant in method signatures, using type constraints to define class and object methods, and using multi declarator for defining same-name class and object methods.
Fixes #1121.
squashable6 🍕 moritz++ closed issue “Document use of method i…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1121
lizmat jnthn: ok, point taken :-) 12:56
squashable6 🍕 moritz++ merged pull request “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495
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Geth doc: 1e20a10a7a | (Zak B. Elep)++ (committed by Moritz Lenz) | doc/Language/objects.pod6
:lipstick: s/comma/colon/ on method signature invocant description

Thanks @moritz!		 12:56
jnthn lizmat: I'm sure that we have *other* cases that don't work out so well in this case, though.
lizmat: So it's not like this would be the first thing that gets in the way of doing that. But if we do it, it'll probably be the first one where we've intentionally done so. 12:57
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squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#iss...-326742647 12:59
pmurias jnthn: the low level design bug is that nqp::killprocasync takes as a first argument either a nqp::const or a raw signal number
jnthn: and they overlap
jnthn pmurias: Hm, it was meant to be the nqp::const:: I thought.
At least, that's how I'd initially intended it.
I don't know that I intended that op to ever take an actual signal number. 13:00
pmurias the other bug is that MoarVM sends wrong signals for some nqp::const:: because it doesn't do a mapping 13:01
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Geth doc: 8fc1c69513 | (Moritz Lenz)++ | html/.htaccess
Try to fix /language/ redirect

the previous attempt redirect /language/ to /language.html/. This if for issue #1461		 13:01
squashable6 🍕 moritz++ wrote a comment on “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#iss...-326742810 13:02
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jnthn huh, indeed, it's not doing the same mapping 13:02
github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/mast...nals.c#L61 is how it should be done 13:03
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#iss...-326742855
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squashable6 🍕 gfldex++ synchronize pull request “Show how to put modules …”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1501 13:03
🍕 gfldex++ wrote a comment on “Show how to put modules …”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1501#iss...-326742921 13:04
leont Fun fact: if you add a role called Scalar to your module, you get really confusing error messages…
timotimo haha 13:05
yeah, you can lexically override most things
lizmat perhaps some of these should warn (at least) ?
jnthn Or always be resolved in the setting 13:06
We updated a few things to do that
timotimo m: class Int { }; 1 + 2
camelia ===SORRY!===
This type cannot box a native integer: P6opaque, Int
timotimo well, that's not interesting at all
lizmat m: class Int {} 13:07
camelia ===SORRY!===
This type cannot box a native integer: P6opaque, Int
lizmat you don't even need the 1+2 :-)
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lizmat m: role Int { } # whee! 13:07
camelia ===SORRY!===
You cannot create an instance of this type (Int)
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timotimo ah, it won't even try to pun the role 13:08
because it really does expect the class Int to be there
m: class Int { has int $.blah is box_target };
camelia ===SORRY!===
P6opaque: must compose Int before allocating
leont This should either always be resolved in the setting, or give a much better error message
timotimo heh.
jnthn Probably "always resolve in setting" is a better bet 13:09
timotimo imo it's cool that things aren't resolved in the setting
aaw
jnthn For things like Int, Num, Str, etc.
I mean, Int.new(...) clearly should not
But for literals
timotimo mhm
jnthn It's not like people who actually want to do this can't write their own setting :) 13:10
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timotimo or slang 13:10
jnthn Yeah
But for most people this is just something to trip over
leont The fact that Scalar is rather hidden made my case rather annoying
It wasn't until I realized "oh right, the scalar container" that I had a clue of what was going on
timotimo we already have a slang like that 13:11
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timotimo overload::constant 13:14
though that is more about getting a call for every literal that passes the string 13:15
so you can return whatever you want
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “"it would be more useful…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1212#i...-326743467 13:16
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pmurias jnthn: in terms of the high level interface the value of some enum members "accidentally" being the same as the os signal number is confusing 13:19
m: say +SIGINT 13:20
camelia 2
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pmurias jnthn: ^^ this looks like it's the number of SIGINT 13:22
m: say +SIGUSR1 # the value of the os level SIGUSR1 is different across platforms
camelia 30
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squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ closed issue “｢Examples｣ link is weird”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/710 13:30
Geth doc: b8a2ded9e1 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | assets/sass/style.scss
Mark "Examples" and "Chat" menu items as external links

Fixes #710
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Geth doc: d7ed308f3c | (Zoffix Znet)++ | assets/sass/style.scss
Reduce width when vertical TOC shows up

  - Fixes #690
  - Isn't much relevant due to plans to convert the site to BS		 13:38
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ closed issue “Use smaller width for tr…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/690
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PerlMonger Hi guys. 13:41
Zoffix \o
buggable: pizza PerlMonger
buggable PerlMonger, enjoy this slice of Cheese and Pepperoni pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
PerlMonger nomnomnom
Very tasty! 13:42
Zoffix \o/
PerlMonger Needs some ketchup, though.
Zoffix :) 13:43
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Geth doc: 45f50b1b1c | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ (committed by Moritz Lenz) | doc/Language/modules.pod6
Show how to put modules into default locations. closes #1500 (#1501)
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squashable6 🍕 moritz++ merged pull request “Show how to put modules …”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1501
🍕 moritz++ closed issue “we don't tell where modu…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1500
PerlMonger Guys, this might sound very noobish but plz no kil 13:47
Zoffix We won't :)
timotimo aaw, i don't want to boundscheck, but if i don't i segfault :D 13:48
Zoffix PerlMonger: so, what's up? 13:50
PerlMonger If I'm trying to create a window in Perl6, can I use openGL or do I have to call directly from the libDRM?
Zoffix Oh, no idea :) 13:51
(so much for noobish question :P)
PerlMonger lol 13:52
How do people usually make windows in Perl6? 13:53
sena_kun PerlMonger, I am a tea pot, but, you want a "low-level" window with the ability to draw primitives, right? If you want a window with buttons, labels and stuff, maybe you want some more high-level things like gtk?
teatime very carefully? :)
timotimo m: say now / 10 13:54
camelia 150436048.699602
timotimo m: say now div 10
camelia Cannot resolve caller infix:<div>(Instant, Int); none of these signatures match:
(Int:D \a, Int:D \b)
(int $a, int $b --> int)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo ^- is there a good reason for this? is it because "but how are we supposed to round the LHS? truncate, round, ...?)
"
Zoffix PerlMonger: personally, I never made any windows. Mostly do processing scripts or web. I think other folks use GTK or something 13:55
buggable: eco gtk
buggable Zoffix, Found 4 results: GTK::Simple, GTK::Simpler, GTK::Scintilla, Inform. See modules.perl6.org/s/gtk
Zoffix PerlMonger: ^ maybe check out one of those modules?
teatime oh, weird why did I read that as "how do people usually build Perl6 on Windows"
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PerlMonger Ahh, thanks guys! 13:55
sena_kun Or he can try github.com/timo/SDL2_raw-p6 if he needs a low-level stuff. 13:56
PerlMonger No, I was looking for something like gtk, I just didn't know whether there was anything Perl6 compatible 13:57
Zoffix timotimo: it's one of the rough edges. In some places we just .Int non-Int numerals, in others (like above) we just die. It needs some standard way to polish it all everywhere, possibly.
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Zoffix m: "abc".comb(1.5).say 13:57
camelia Cannot resolve caller comb(Str: Rat); none of these signatures match:
(Str:D $: *%_)
(Str:D $: Int:D $size is copy, $limit = *, *%_)
(Str:D $: Str $pat, *%_)
(Str:D $: Str $pat, $limit, *%_)
(Str:D $: Regex:D $pattern, :$mat…
Zoffix m: "abc".comb[1.5].say
camelia b
Zoffix m: "abc".comb.pick(1.5).say 13:58
camelia (a)
lizmat unfortunately, I'm not really able to participate in the Squashathon 13:59
but I'm looking forward to reporting the results in the next P6W :-)
afk again&
Zoffix lizmat: that's still participation, I'd say :) 14:00
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squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ edited a comment on “A lot of TODOs in Any”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1494#i...-326735156 14:03
🍕 Altai-man++ edited a comment on “A lot of TODOs in Any”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1494#i...-326727105
sena_kun Ugh.
Okay, let's not edit things for now... 14:04
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Zoffix Opened a ticket for that: github.com/perl6/whateverable/issues/225 14:05
squashable6 🍕 moritz++ wrote a comment on “docs.perl6.org/l…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1461#i...-326745968
🍕 moritz++ closed issue “docs.perl6.org/l…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1461
sena_kun Zoffix++
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audiatorix Any idea why the following would not work: my $app = Web::App::Dispatch.new($scgi); when the signature for the method is: method new ($engine) 14:07
Zoffix audiatorix: what's the error?
audiatorix It says I'm passing 2 parameters when 1 is expected but clearly not
Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 2 14:08
Zoffix audiatorix: the 2 parameters == invocant + $scgi variable
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Zoffix audiatorix: looks like method new ($engine) isn't what you're actually calling 14:08
audiatorix Ahh
I'm doing exactly what the creator's example code does 14:09
Zoffix What modules is it from?
audiatorix Web
Supernovus' perl6-web 14:10
github.com/supernovus/perl6-web
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audiatorix Web::App::Dispatch is a more specific Web::App it seems 14:10
squashable6 🍕 raiph++ wrote a comment on “"it would be more useful…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1212#i...-326746308 14:11
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by raiph++! ♥
audiatorix I think the problem is that new shouldn't be a method, right? 14:12
because new exists before any instance is created
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Zoffix audiatorix: nah, I found the problem. 1 sec 14:14
raiph audiatorix: did you checkout mi.cro.services per my earlier comment to you? curious to hear what you thought for your use case.
(gotta run for now but will read log later, prolly this pm) 14:15
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Zoffix audiatorix: the module's is using .bless call that's no longer supported. I sent a PR to fix that ( github.com/supernovus/perl6-web/pull/18 ) and you can install that version with zef --force-install install github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-web/ar...atch-2.zip BUT, while the server from Example 2 now starts, it dies with "Invalid netstring stream data." when I try to load the page in the 14:16
browser; maybe that's just not supposed to be used from the brower or maybe it's another bug, I dunno :)
audiatorix Hm 14:17
okay, I may try Cro instead, since this seems to be a bit out of date
Not sure if I like the API on Cro though
Zoffix Sounds like a plan.
audiatorix Much more well-documented though 14:20
thanks
I didn't see that last night
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squashable6 🍕 ronaldxs++ wrote a comment on “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#iss...-326747280 14:28
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by ronaldxs++! ♥
🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Document invocant in method signature”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1495#iss...-326747314 14:29
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timotimo damn, %= is a nice operator 14:41
wow.
Zoffix lulz 14:44
timotimo is making trippy animations with SDL2_raw
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sena_kun m: Any.print-nl(); 14:51
camelia Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 2
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
sena_kun eeeeeeeh?
o.O
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Zoffix s: Any, 'print-nl', \() 14:52
SourceBaby Zoffix, Sauce is at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/85a9...ny.pm#L465
sena_kun I know where it is.
But.
Zoffix Don't know why it was needed: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/2c...68e34cdf01 14:53
sena_kun maybe there were reasons. 14:54
Zoffix (is it in roast? If not, perhaps it should be removed)
sena_kun the thing that concerns me right now is why there are two args passed, not one. :/
m: Any.print-nl; 14:55
camelia Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 2
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
sena_kun This definetely looks like only the instance is passed. For me, at least.
Zoffix sena_kun: see the link from the bot. It delegates it to self.print: "\n"
That's where the error is from
sena_kun ah.
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sena_kun hmmm. 14:56
I won't "document" it then.
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Geth doc: 83ca0dcbca | (Zoffix Znet)++ | template/header.html
Improve alt="" of logo

  - Use text version of Camelia
  - Fixes overlapping text when images are off		 14:58
doc: cc66622de1 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 2 files
Make site pass Chrome's Accessibility Audit

Fixes #1084
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ closed issue “Need higher contrast for highlighted code”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1084
squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ wrote a comment on “A lot of TODOs in Any”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1494#i...-326749193
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audiatorix Does anyone know of a module for a simple console that stops output from writing in the middle of input 14:58
sena_kun audiatorix, e.g. with ^C or something? 14:59
and define "console", please. Do you want a REPL?
audiatorix Well
I want a way to get input and give output in the terminal, so that when a line is written out, it won't just write in the middle of what's being typed 15:00
I have seen it in other languages but 15:01
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ wrote a comment on “using CSS from another perl6.org site”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1407#i...-326749444
audiatorix I'd rather not implement all that myself if possible 15:02
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squashable6 🍕 ronaldxs++ wrote a comment on “Document use of method i…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1121#i...-326749741 15:07
🍕 ronaldxs++ reopened issue “Document use of method i…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1121
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Zoffix "Rakudo Star is available from Homebrew, and Rakudo from MacPorts." is that stuff maintained by anyone? Anyone got a mac handy? What version it got in it? brew info rakudo-star 15:11
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Document use of method i…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1121#i...-326749997
chsanch $ brew info rakudo-star 15:12
rakudo-star: stable 2017.07 (bottled)
Zoffix Looks up to date. Thanks :) 15:13
stmuk_ www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGrEzlHqKQg 15:15
chsanch Yah, they keep it updated, but I prefer to use rakudobrew.
Zoffix heh 15:16
I'm actually updating the download page to toss rakudobrew :)
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squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ edited a comment on “A lot of TODOs in Any”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1494#i...-326749193 15:19
sena_kun samcv, ping? 15:22
samcv pong?
sena_kun o/
samcv pingpong?
ping?pong?
how are you
lizmat stmuk_: thanks for the link of this lightning talk by ven 15:24
mr_ron zakame, ping - preferably in private chat or here is ok
sena_kun Feeling delightful, thanks. I am now trying to do something with a wall of TODOs for Any type. Since github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/56...e75ad3a986 is yours, can you, please, in a line or two provide an explanation for that method on Any? Because it doesn't seem like some other method call, so I am not sure what should I fill it there.
lizmat afk again&
sena_kun m: Any.collate; 15:25
camelia ( no output )
sena_kun m: say Any.collate;
camelia ((Any))
samcv m: say Any.sort
camelia ((Any))
sena_kun This method returns you an Any wrapped in a List. No charge! :D
samcv yep 15:26
sena_kun So I can write something like, lets see...
timotimo in other places you pay a few cents extra to get you stuff put into a bag
sena_kun Calls a `sort` method, but, hmm, it is not an explanation, just some sources observation. Hmmmm. 15:27
samcv m: dd "sena_kun".sort
camelia ("sena_kun",).Seq
timotimo "sorts using the unicode collation algorithm" 15:28
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ edited a comment on “Document use of method i…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1121#i...-326749997
samcv well you get it throwing when doing 15:29
m: use experimental :collation; dd (Any, "sena_kun").collate
camelia Cannot resolve caller infix:<coll>(Any, Str); none of these signatures match:
(Str:D \a, Str:D \b --> Order:D)
(Cool:D \a, Cool:D \b --> Order:D)
(Pair:D \a, Pair:D \b)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
samcv probably needs an RT
sena_kun m: say "天ノ弱".comb.collate;
camelia Use of the 'coll' operator is experimental; please 'use experimental :collation'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
sena_kun m: use experimental :collation; say "天ノ弱".comb.collate; 15:30
camelia (天 弱 ノ)
sena_kun wow.
Geth ecosystem: 5232489754 | (Jonathan Stowe)++ | META.list
Add FastCGI::NativeCall::Async

See github.com/jonathanstowe/FastCGI-N...Call-Async All good clean fun.
samcv that order isn't correct right now. but if you used my collation-arrays branch of moarvm it would be
sena_kun okay, thanks, I get the situation much or less. samcv++
samcv but hopefully in the next week i will merge it and you can sort 'fi' with fi and æ with ae and such
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samcv right now it is better than .sort but uses a naive sort of method to sort not my Fancy Branch New™ collation algorithm code 15:31
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samcv and sort ㌀ with アパート 15:33
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camelia Cannot look up attributes in a C type object
in method f at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
zakame m: class C { has $.x; method f(::?CLASS:D:) { self.x } }; C.f
camelia Invocant of method 'f' must be an object instance of type 'C', not a type object of type 'C'. Did you forget a '.new'?
in method f at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
samcv anyway i'm gonna go back to sleep for a bit. see you all in a few hours
zakame m: class C { has $.x; method f(::?CLASS:D:) { self.x } }; C.new.f
camelia ( no output )
sena_kun samcv, o/
squashable6 🍕 coke++ closed issue “Add note to footer about missing docs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/541 15:37
🍕 coke++ wrote a comment on “Add note to footer about missing docs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/541#is...-326751465
🍕 coke++ wrote a comment on “Unify differences between `multi` and `multi sub`”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1189#i...-326751527 15:38
🍕 coke++ closed issue “Unify differences between `multi` and `multi sub`”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1189
🍕 coke++ reopened issue “Unify differences between `multi` and `multi sub`”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1189
🍕 coke++ wrote a comment on “Unify differences between `multi` and `multi sub`”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1189#i...-326751584 15:39
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zakame class C { method d() { say 42 }; method f(::?CLASS:U:) { self.d } }; C.f 15:44
m: class C { method d() { say 42 }; method f(::?CLASS:U:) { self.d } }; C.f
camelia 42
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Geth doc: zakame++ created pull request #1502:
(Try to) clarify type smileys for .DEFINITE-ness		 15:59
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ opened pull request “(Try to) clarify type smileys for .DEFINITE-ness”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1502
Geth doc/any-clarification: 12ce8cf704 | Altai-man++ | doc/Type/Any.pod6
Attempt to document most of `Any` methods
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Geth doc: f81802d7c1 | (Zak B. Elep)++ (committed by Zoffix Znet) | doc/Type/Signature.pod6
(Try to) clarify type smileys for .DEFINITE-ness (#1502)

Based on conversation with @zoffixznet, try to add more context (and definiteness) to the current elaboration for the `:D`, `:U`, and `:_` type constraints. I realize this is also a good place here to show type objects and instances, to support the concept of definiteness.
Fixes #1469.		 16:04
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ closed issue “Type constraint smileys …”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1469
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ merged pull request “(Try to) clarify type smileys for .DEFINITE-ness”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1502
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ wrote a comment on “(Try to) clarify type smileys for .DEFINITE-ness”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1502#iss...-326753173
🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “(Try to) clarify type smileys for .DEFINITE-ness”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1502#iss...-326753199 16:05
Geth doc: Altai-man++ created pull request #1503:
Attempt to document most of `Any` methods
squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ opened pull request “Attempt to document most of `Any` methods”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1503 16:06
yoleaux Zoffix: fix rakudo.org download page, bruh 16:07
Zoffix yoleaux: I'm on it, bruh. 16:08
"Because of a not yet implemented POSIX interface in cygwin (specifically pthread_barrier needed by libuv, see cygwin.com/cygwin-api/std-notimpl.html), Rakudo can not yet be compiled on that environment." 16:12
Is that still accurate? I thought someone did compile in cygwin
Zoffix 'll just it still is 16:14
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dogbert2 Zoffix: I believe libuv 1.12+ has fixed this 16:23
Zoffix neat 16:26
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travis-ci Doc build passed. Altai-man 'Attempt to document most of `Any` methods' 16:32
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/271190912 github.com/perl6/doc/commit/12ce8cf7044b
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AlexDaniel squashable6: status 16:37
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in ≈19 hours
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/38027235d60536fe68...2b33e9b068
🍕 zoffixznet++ self-assigned issue “Bad examples for .push methods in Iterator docs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1395
AlexDaniel awesome 16:39
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AlexDaniel hmm interesting 16:45
my PR was merged even though it said not to merge it? Hmm…
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited a comment on “"it would be more useful…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1212#i...-326746308 16:52
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AlexDaniel squashable6: log
squashable6 AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/2c930ae717d09e7e29...f637749640
AlexDaniel Zoffix: thanks
Zoffix: (↑ edits are no longer mentioned on the channel)
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Zoffix sweet 16:56
AlexDaniel++
AlexDaniel sena_kun: “Okay, let's not edit things for now...” feel free to now :)
sena_kun \o/ 16:57
Geth whateverable: bfd8aae1cd | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | bin/Squashable.p6
Use #perl6 channel for announcements
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whateverable: abe1bedc23 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | bin/Squashable.p6
More newlines in the log
whateverable: ba04dcb79f | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | bin/Squashable.p6
Don't mention edit events on IRC

But still write them into the log.
Addresses #225.
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AlexDaniel Zoffix: it still counts as a first contribution though, which is exactly right :) 17:11
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Unreadable type graphs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/246 17:12
🍕 AlexDaniel++ unlabeled issue “Unreadable type graphs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/246
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Geth doc: 70084290cf | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/Proc/Async.pod6
Don't recommend code that does not work

Please revert once RT #132016 is resolved.		 17:19
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=132016
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pmurias eventil.com/presentations/v1spZG # new presentation on graal/truffle - which is something Perl 6 should be running on too 17:27
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timotimo twitter.com/loltimo/status/904038390131286025 17:48
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lichtkind liz: sorry from sms spamming in amsterdam to you 17:55
liz but after some research i want to make different proposal for perl6::Doc
AlexDaniel ? :) 17:56
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AlexDaniel hmmm Table of Contents is now on the side for me 18:04
lichtkind are the synopses out of date? 18:05
i masn are any of the synopses out of date?
mean
AlexDaniel lichtkind: mostly, yes
lichtkind why? 18:06
AlexDaniel lichtkind: well, there's still some good info there. But nobody is putting their time into maintaining them
lichtkind and maybe becasue docs.perl6.org is more maintained now? 18:07
AlexDaniel although, now that I looked at it, there are some good commits recently
or maybe not. Judge yourself: github.com/perl6/specs 18:08
lichtkind: that too, yes
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lichtkind i ask becasue i have to decide if i comletely mark th perl5 module Perl6::Doc defunc or just update the syn pod and thro the otehr parts away 18:09
because
AlexDaniel lichtkind: yes, perl6/doc is “Perl 6 documentation”, not Synopses 18:13
lichtkind: it should be Perl6::HistoricalDesignDocs or something :) 18:14
lichtkind are doc.perl6.org written in POD6 ? would make sens 18:15
so i jsut need converter
no we have grok
Zoffix
.oO( Pod::To::Pod :P )
 18:16
lichtkind pod 6 to pod 5
but we dont need that since grok uses perl6::Pod
AlexDaniel Zoffix: hey. What's the intention for ToC and 1280px wide screens? 18:20
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Zoffix render toc on the side if there's pace 18:21
render toc on the side if there's space
squashable6 🍕 moritz++ closed issue “Modified quantifier trap…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1163 18:23
Geth doc: a206c6080e | (Moritz Lenz)++ | doc/Language/regexes.pod6
Expand a bit on modified quantifiers. Closes #1163
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AlexDaniel I'm not entirely sure that I like that: files.progarm.org/2017-09-02-21232..._scrot.png 18:24
but we'll see how it goes 18:25
(the reason being that it looks a bit too much to the side on a small screen) 18:26
Geth doc: e8482f808c | (Zak B. Elep)++ | 2 files
:lipstick: fix typos in method invocant and type smiley examples

Thanks @ronaldxs for spotting!		 18:27
Zoffix Yes, but you don't have to scroll through miles of TOC links to get to content and the commit didn't change the width of the content section. 18:29
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ self-unassigned issue “Bad examples for .push methods in Iterator docs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1395
AlexDaniel Zoffix: OK I see. Well, I never do that (search function usually gets me to the middle of a page, so I never see the top). 18:30
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AlexDaniel … did I say something wrong? 18:32
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Zoffix No, I'm just gonna take a break. 18:33
\o
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AlexDaniel sure. Take care 18:33
Geth doc: c052c47b8b | (Moritz Lenz)++ | 2 files
Remove last references to zavolaj

Closes #828		 18:41
squashable6 🍕 moritz++ closed issue “zavolaj seems outdated f…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/828
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squashable6 🍕 moritz++ wrote a comment on “zavolaj seems outdated f…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/828#is...-326762623 18:43
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Geth doc: zakame++ created pull request #1504:
Further improve docs for methods + self		 18:45
squashable6 🍕 zakame++ opened pull request “Further improve docs for methods + self”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1504
🍕 zakame++ wrote a comment on “Further improve docs for methods + self”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1504#iss...-326762780 18:47
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “Keep .dot files”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1505 18:53
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Keep .dot files”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1505
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AlexDaniel squashable6: status 18:54
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in ≈17 hours
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/361891499422d78cae...0e3f0524c3
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Geth doc/master: 6 commits pushed by (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ 18:56
doc: 9bd3489db0 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | xt/code.pws
learn new word
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Geth doc: c98a4e22c1 | (Zak B. Elep)++ (committed by Moritz Lenz) | doc/Language/objects.pod6
Further improve docs for methods + self

  - Make discussion on class/instance methods into its own Section
  - Add example code for `self` especially to illustrate its behavior with
   different invocants
Thanks to @ronaldxs for further comments :+1:
References #1121 (hopefully fixes too :joy_cat:)		 19:11
squashable6 🍕 moritz++ merged pull request “Further improve docs for methods + self”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1504
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[Coke] ff 19:23
moritz fast forward?
yoleaux 1 Sep 2017 19:51Z <jdv79> moritz: sup with the logs and unicode?
moritz .tell jdv79 not much :/ 19:24
yoleaux moritz: I'll pass your message to jdv79.
[Coke] . 19:27
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Herby__ o/ 19:38
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moritz \o Herby__ 19:39
AlexDaniel buggable: pizza Herby__ 19:40
buggable Herby__, enjoy this slice of Golden Chicken Delight pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
Herby__ \o/
As a novice, how can I help with this SQUASHathon?
Geth doc: d07e6c7bdd | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | doc/Language/nativecall.pod6
avoid overeager "this is a method" example test
[Coke] Herby__: welcome aboard. 19:41
moritz Herby__: go to github.com/perl6/doc/issues and look for an issue that doesn't sound scary 19:42
Herby__: and then ask questions here if stuff is unclear
Herby__ kk
moritz and try to work on it
AlexDaniel Herby__: feel free to leave a comment on any issue you don't understand. Very often things look scary, but when you actually ask what is required it turns out that it is very simple 19:43
[Coke] there are some tags that might help: <LHF>, <new>
Herby__ lhf?
moritz low-hanging fruit
Herby__ ah ok
AlexDaniel also [Hacktoberfest] and [search], maybe
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AlexDaniel (some [search] issues simply ask to add “X<foo>” somewhere ) 19:44
[Coke] you could also try to check out the doc source locally and see if you could do a build or run 'make test' (which will help the next time you want to doc/test something) 19:45
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timotimo twitter.com/loltimo/status/904038390131286025 - i made a perl6 thing with SDL2::Raw again 19:49
twitter.com/loltimo/status/904058942078246915 - and another
DickBastard Hello, sorry if I ask a naive questions, I'm just a C++ devel newbie in Perl6, can you assign a subroutine to a method?
like assigning a std::function to a virtual method in C 19:50
Skarsnik not sure to understand your question
timotimo, fun :)
DickBastard my &code = { say "ciao" }
timotimo <3
DickBastard my $ciao = class ba { method go = &code } # or something similar 19:51
Skarsnik since you can add method to class on the fly I don't see the point 19:52
DickBastard my $ciao = class ba { method go { code } } # you mean?
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DickBastard code is executed when you call go, right? 19:53
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DickBastard it works! 19:54
Guest41359 rindolf, hi i was searching for you :) 19:55
Skarsnik you can probably assign to an attribute the method will call
moritz DickBastard: there's also a way to install code directly as a method
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AlexDaniel ah goddamn graphviz 19:56
moritz m: sub f($x) { say 42 }; class A { }; BEGIN { A.^add_method('g', &f); A.^compose }; A.new.g()
camelia 42
rindolf rrrh: hi
moritz m: sub f($x) { say 42 }; class A { A.^add_method('g', &f }; A.new.g()
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')'
at <tmp>:1
------> 3y 42 }; class A { A.^add_method('g', &f 7⏏5}; A.new.g()
moritz m: sub f($x) { say 42 }; class A { A.^add_method('g', &f) }; A.new.g()
camelia 42
moritz yes, helps to close those parenthesis :-)
DickBastard thanks moritz
moritz you're welcome, DickBastard 19:57
speaking of the MOP... do we have an accessible way to create aliases for methods? 19:58
rindolf rrrh: how may I help?
rrrh rindolf, i privated messaged you dont know if you appreciate that but i used to talk to you in the past a lot 19:59
moritz freenode changed rules for private messages; by default you need to be registered with their services to initiate privmsg 20:00
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BooK so I have this weird question about enums: 20:01
AlexDaniel “Warning: the aspect attribute has been disabled due to implementation flaws - attribute ignored.” oh graphviz…
BooK m: say Bool.enums; say Order.enums
camelia {False => 0, True => 1}
Map.new((:Less(-1),:More(1),:Same(0)))
BooK which led me to look at the code for Bool, which defines its own enums method, which works differently from the enums method in the Enumeration role 20:02
and so my question is: why?
or more specifically, why is Bool special? 20:03
AlexDaniel c: all say Bool.enums; say Order.enums
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committable6 AlexDaniel, MasterDuke: I'm acting stupid on #perl6. Help me. 20:03
AlexDaniel, Sorry kid, that's not my department.
AlexDaniel /o\ 20:04
c: releases say Bool.enums; say Order.enums
Skarsnik lol
committable6 AlexDaniel, MasterDuke: I'm acting stupid on #perl6. Help me.
AlexDaniel, Sorry kid, that's not my department.
BooK AlexDaniel: are talking to the right bot?
Skarsnik m: say bool.enum
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
bool used at line 1
AlexDaniel BooK: yes, but it's broken… investigating now…
Skarsnik m: use NativeCall;say bool.enum 20:05
camelia No such method 'enum' for invocant of type 'NativeCall::Types::bool'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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AlexDaniel BooK: ok, the answer is here: gist.github.com/Whateverable/5c60f...2300ca98b4 20:06
BooK: so it's not that Bool is extremely special, it's just that the change to Map is a fairly new addition 20:07
BooK oh I see
AlexDaniel we can take a look at why it was changed
bisect: say Order.enums
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=85a97ab) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/e76c7d733b91958459...eb00648dbe 20:08
AlexDaniel, (2016-04-05) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/6a...822dac090b
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BooK src/core/Bool.pm: Bool.^add_method('enums', my method enums() { self.^enum_values });
src/core/Enumeration.pm: method enums() { self.^enum_values.Map }
AlexDaniel this is the wrong commit
BooK I was wondering why Bool did not simply do the Enumeration role
AlexDaniel bisect: old=6a2ff75a61 say Order.enums 20:09
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=6a2ff75 new=85a97ab) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
moritz BooK: probably bootstrapping issues
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/612d31d67faf80a269...a9644673f1
AlexDaniel, (2016-05-13) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/d3...8f10839d54
AlexDaniel so this points to RT #128138
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=128138
BooK moritz: so the fix is to update Bool's version of enum?
enums
Skarsnik m: use NativeCall;say bool.enums
camelia No such method 'enums' for invocant of type 'NativeCall::Types::bool'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
moritz frankly I was surprised that somebody managed to turn Bool into an enum at all :-)
Geth doc: jstuder-gh++ created pull request #1506:
Modify Proxy Example To More Closely Match Text		 20:10
squashable6 🍕 jstuder-gh++ opened pull request “Modify Proxy Example To More Closely Match Text”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1506
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by jstuder-gh++! ♥
BooK moritz: when I saw it was, it kinda made sense
it
AlexDaniel BooK: IMO you should create a ticket with this information
BooK or a patch!
AlexDaniel or that, yes.
moritz BooK: yes. Or try to make Bool do the enumeration role; maybe it's easy after all
DickBastard Another dumb question: you can do this
sub f($x) { say 42 }; module hello { class A { A.^add_method('g', &f) }; }; hello::A.new.g
BooK moritz: to do that I first need to properly set up my environment to be actually able to run roast and check that nothing breaks 20:11
DickBastard but this fail in weird ways:
sub f($x) { say 42 }; my $obj = module { class A { A.^add_method('g', &f) }; }; $obj::A.new.g
m: sub f($x) { say 42 }; my $obj = module { class A { A.^add_method('g', &f) }; }; $obj::A.new.g
camelia No such method 'g' for invocant of type 'Any'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
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AlexDaniel fixed committable6 20:12
DickBastard how do you declare a module in the local scope?
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BooK moritz: I also had this issue with enums, when I was trying to write a man page for EnumHOW: 20:13
m: enum Foo < a b c >; Foo.^add_enum_value( d => 3); Foo.^enum_values.say
camelia Too few positionals passed; expected 3 arguments but got 2
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
moritz DickBastard: my module A { ... }
Geth doc: c5776c1b11 | (Jeremy Studer)++ | doc/Type/Proxy.pod6
Modify Proxy Example To More Closely Match Text

The accompanying text seems to indicate that the modification of the stored value would occur at retrieval.
Text-'To create a container that returns twice of what was stored in it'
The example showcases the capabilities of Proxy in the same way, but hopefully is a bit more clear.
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ merged pull request “Modify Proxy Example To More Closely Match Text”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1506
doc: 5495e1479f | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Proxy.pod6
Merge pull request #1506 from jstuder-gh/master

Modify Proxy Example To More Closely Match Text
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Modify Proxy Example To More Closely Match Text”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1506#iss...-326767030
moritz DickBastard: and your example doesn't work because $obj::A looks a variable A in namespace "obj"
m: my $m = module { class A { } }; $m.WHO<A> 20:14
camelia ( no output )
DickBastard moritz, great
moritz m: my $m = module { class A { } }; say $m.WHO<A>
DickBastard m: sub f($x) { say 42 }; my module hello { class A { A.^add_method('g', &f) }; }; hello::A.new.g
camelia (A)
42
moritz m: my $m = module { class A { } }; say $m::<A>
camelia (Any)
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited pull request “Attempt to document most of `Any` methods”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1503
moritz DickBastard: the example above with .WHO<A> shows how you can acccess an element of an anonymous namespace 20:15
DickBastard m: sub f($x) { say 42 }; my $hello = module { class A { A.^add_method('g', &f) }; }; $hello.WHO<A>.new.g # yea it works 20:17
camelia 42
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “Definition for Any.collate and Any.cache”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1507 20:18
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Definition for Any.collate and Any.cache”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1507
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Attempt to document most of `Any` methods”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1503#iss...-326767242
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DickBastard it would be supercool if there was a way to save the module '$hello' in a file, for loading it in another run. Is there a way? it would save me some evals in my hacking 20:19
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BooK DickBastard: I guess we just need someone who can write Perl6 from an AST :-) 20:23
sorry, who can write code that can...
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Unreadable type graphs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/246#is...-326767433
moritz DickBastard: you can write the source code for the module to a file, and EVAL (or EVALFILE) it
DickBastard: but dumping the whole module from a reference doesn't work the way you likely want it to work :-) 20:24
DickBastard moritz yes that works, I was wondering if there was some magic already implemented for precompilation
moritz DickBastard: require, maybe
time for sleep here, see ya 20:25
AlexDaniel buggable: pizza moritz 20:26
buggable moritz, enjoy this slice of Peppy Paneer pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
DickBastard night! thanks 20:27
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DickBastard BooK while that would be a nice feature to have, my intuition is that it is not needed, and that inside the compiler there is already this functionality 20:49
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DickBastard since it needs to save bytecode at some point 20:49
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DickBastard only few programming languages, on the other end, offer this functionality 20:50
Klofkac Hello, I have a question. When I try to make an operator in interactive mode, it doesn't seem to register when I later try to use the operator. Is this a bug?
[Coke] REPL cheats. if you try to use it later in the same line, it'll be there. 20:51
so a known issue, but the general workaround is not to use interactive mode. 20:52
Klofkac Oh, okay. Thanks for answer. 20:53
BooK feels that there's a better way to write this:
m: say Bool.^methods.grep( { .name eq "pick"},:v)».candidates».signature
camelia (((Bool:U $: *%_) (Bool:U $: $n, *%_)))
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den m: my $meth = Bool.^find_method: "pick"; say $meth.^name #BooK 20:56
camelia Method
Juerd m: say Bool.^find_method('pick').candidates».signature 20:57
camelia ((Bool:U $: *%_) (Bool:U $: $n, *%_))
BooK den, Juerd: thanks 20:59
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[Coke] Klofkac: ideally we'll make that work some day. 20:59
BooK and now compare with:
m: say Order.^find_method('pick').candidates».signature
camelia (($: *%_) ($: $n, *%_) (Order:U $: *%_) (Order:U $: \n, *%_) (Order:D $: *@pos, *%_))
Juerd Compare? 21:00
BooK Bool and Order both behave like enums
except Bool does not do the Enumeration role, and seems to miss some stuff
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BooK at this stage, the best explanation to everything I say that doesn't make sense is that I don't know anything 21:01
den m: my Enumeration $enum = Order; $enum.^mro.say; $enum = Bool; $enum.^mro.say 21:02
camelia ((Order) (Int) (Cool) (Any) (Mu))
Type check failed in assignment to $enum; expected Enumeration but got Bool (Bool)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Juerd Bool is declared in bootstrap, Order is pure Perl 6 21:03
See src/core/Bool.pm and src/core/Order.pm
den Right, but it's possible to add more things later, I think it's just NIY for Bool. 21:04
BooK yes, I know that. I was wondering if Bool shouldn't be made more like a normal Perl 6 enum
NIY? Not In Yet?
Juerd NYI :)
den Not Implemented Yet. 21:05
BooK In-plemented :-)
Juerd BooK: Sounds like a good idea, but I have no idea.
BooK moritz said something like that not too long ago: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-09-02#i_15107070 21:06
I guess now is the time when I should just try it and see :-) 21:07
nine That could actually be a quite simple patch
I just didn't know about that role when I turned Bool into an enum 21:08
den github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...re/Code.pm -> Code is also declared in Bootstrap, yet this file adds to it later, so you can use it as an example of how to do it
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grondilu marks rosettacode.org/wiki/Fast_Fourier_t...orm#Perl_6 as broken :( 21:09
"P6opaque: invalid native access attribute '$!re' in type Complex for kind num64"
m: say cis(tau) 21:11
camelia 1-2.44929359829471e-16i
grondilu ^this fails on my machine
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grondilu $ perl6 --version 21:11
nine No need to look at Code: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...re/Bool.pm
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grondilu This is Rakudo version 2017.08-62-g85a97ab3d built on MoarVM version 2017.08.1-52-gf59ac65d9 21:11
implementing Perl 6.c. 21:12
BooK nine: I'm kind of looking for a knowledgeable person in Perl6 to pair with me on small stuff, so that I can learn faster, and in small, focused chunks (two hours max)
recently, I've been doing a lot of pairing over vnc + some voice transmission system (phone, mumble, other) 21:13
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nine BooK: it's a little late today for a two hour session, but I plan on doing some more coding tomorrow and would be quite happy to help you get into our code base :) 21:13
BooK I wasn't meaning tonight either :-) 21:14
nine I guessed so :)
grondilu m: say Complex.new(tau.cos, tau.sin);
camelia 1-2.44929359829471e-16i
grondilu ^this also fails on my machine
BooK nine: I'll in an Amsterdam hotel room Thursday evening, maybe that's a better time? 21:15
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nine BooK: nothing on my schedule for Thursday evening so far :) 21:15
grondilu m: say 1i # even this fails :/ 21:16
camelia 0+1i
grondilu m: 1i**2 and this
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
this used at line 1
BooK nine: discussing the details in private 21:17
DickBastard could anybody point me to the documentation of CTXSAVE please? 21:18
nine DickBastard: that would need someone to write it :/ You could be the one :) 21:19
DickBastard: what do you need to know?
DickBastard hi nine
I am trying to understand your code in CompUnit/Loader.pm 21:20
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DickBastard the mechanism by which you compile a source file and store it in the appropriate place 21:20
is CTXSAVE connected somehow to compilation?
nine DickBastard: yes, it's supposed to be an object with a ctxsave() method (you'll find that in CompUnit::Handle). 21:21
DickBastard: it's called by the main line code of the compilation unit and stores the mainline's context 21:22
grondilu oh sorry guys, that was due to a local modif I made on Complex.pm
nine DickBastard: it's they way we can get at the symbols defined in the compilation unit, like it's GLOBAL
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nine DickBastard: took me weeks to piece this together from the code. So if you could add that to some documenation, you may save someone a lot of time. It's really pure chance that I read your question. I rarely read #perl6 these days... 21:23
DickBastard nine, I will try to understand it. If I will get something out of it I will document :) 21:26
AlexDaniel grondilu: ok, so let's do something about it 21:31
you say 2017.08-62-g85a97ab3d
c: 2017.08-62-g85a97ab3d say cis(tau)
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦2017.08-62-g85a97ab3d: «1-2.44929359829471e-16i»
AlexDaniel c: 2017.08-62-g85a97ab3d say 1i 21:32
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦2017.08-62-g85a97ab3d: «0+1i»
AlexDaniel c: 2017.08-62-g85a97ab3d 1i**2
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦2017.08-62-g85a97ab3d: «WARNINGS for /tmp/oDR7dPlEXz:␤Useless use of "**" in expression "i**2" in sink context (line 1)»
AlexDaniel c: 2017.08-62-g85a97ab3d say 1i**2
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦2017.08-62-g85a97ab3d: «-1+1.22464679914735e-16i»
AlexDaniel grondilu: sooo… what's your setup? 32bit or 64bit?
nine DickBastard: in other words: the compiler adds a $*CTXSAVE.ctxsave; to a source file's code. CompUnit::Handle::ctxsave then uses nqp::caller to get into the calling code and nqp::ctx() to grab the lexical context and stores that in $!module_ctx so we can access EXPORT and GLOBALish. 21:33
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travis-ci Doc build failed. Will "Coke" Coleda 'Merge branch 'master' into coke/multi' 21:34
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/271252344 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/028f2...7897a0cd63
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buggable [travis build above] ☠ Did not recognize some failures. Check results manually. 21:34
DickBastard nine, things are getting more clear
nine DickBastard: :) 21:35
AlexDaniel I guess files.progarm.org/graph.svg is better than docs.perl6.org/images/type-graph-M...tainer.svg ?
I'm still not satisfied though 21:36
grondilu AlexDaniel: as I wrote, nevermind : my Complex.pm file was out-of-sync 21:37
AlexDaniel grondilu: oh, didn't backlog as far, sorry
buggable: pizza grondilu
buggable grondilu, enjoy this slice of Four Cheese pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
grondilu (kinf of whished --version had warned me about that, though)
grondilu undoes the "broken" mark on RC 21:38
do you guys by any chance know an efficient algorithm to compress "sparse vectors"? 21:39
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squashable6 🍕 jnthn++ wrote a comment on “zavolaj seems outdated f…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/828#is...-326770827 21:42
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by jnthn++! ♥
grondilu like turning [0, 1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0] into [1 => 1, 2 => 2] but Vector(7)
AlexDaniel .pizza jnthn 21:45
buggable: pizza jnthn
buggable jnthn, enjoy this slice of Margherita pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
jnthn m: say [0, 1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0].pairs.grep(*.value)
camelia (1 => 1 2 => 2)
jnthn That's O(n) I guess... :)
Mmm...margherita :)
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grondilu yeah now that I wrote it, I realize it's not possible to do better 21:51
AlexDaniel ooooooooh I know what I can try 21:53
AlexDaniel is having fun with graphviz
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BooK AlexDaniel: maybe with twopi? your latest attempt looked circular-ish 21:57
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AlexDaniel BooK: yep, that's what twopi did 21:58
BooK ah ok
AlexDaniel oh wait, sorry, that was neato
twopi looked horrible with default settings, let's see if I can make it better…
BooK: the problem countless number of people are having is that if there are too many nodes at the same rank, the graph looks unreadably wide 22:00
BooK: instead of implementing some sort of solution to this they created a post-processor called “unflatten”
BooK the problem with making stuff look nice with graphviz is that you have to manually add exceptions 22:01
AlexDaniel which is, like, a separate binary
BooK like, force stuff to be shown on the same rank, or stuff like that
AlexDaniel yeah
BooK and subgraphs, and stuff 22:02
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BooK I see you can pick the center with twopi 22:09
I'd go for Any :-)
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BooK I see a circo command for layouts, I won't what that produces 22:10
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AlexDaniel BooK: well, that's twopi: files.progarm.org/grapho.svg 22:12
BooK: and that's circo: files.progarm.org/graphH.svg
BooK: wanna play with it? I can give you the dot file 22:13
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BooK AlexDaniel: sure 22:17
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BooK what's the meaning of blue vs black ? role vs class ? 22:18
BooK checks if graphviz is installed here
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AlexDaniel recovers from a little disaster when his image viewer decided to crap out on some svg file 22:21
BooK: files.progarm.org/images.tar.gz 22:22
BooK: the .dot input is auto-generated during the doc build. I'm currently playing with dot files directly, but it's ok to change the generation itself too 22:24
BooK which one was the one you played with?
AlexDaniel BooK: type-graph-Metamodel::MethodContainer.svg.dot
BooK: fwiw it's this doc issue: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/246 22:25
timotimo did you know that the graphviz commands can also output .dot again but with positions of nodes and stuff for edges in the attributes? 22:28
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AlexDaniel timotimo: yeah, but how would that help exactly? I tried piping dot into neato in a hope that it will improve the graph a bit, but no success so far 22:30
timotimo not sure if it could help at all, tbh 22:33
BooK AlexDaniel: adding root="Any"; ranksep=4; to the .svg.dot file made something not too horrible
timotimo i think I'll head toward the hotel
AlexDaniel BooK: but it's still very wide, no? 22:34
BooK actully, putting Mu at the center looks better
AlexDaniel maybe all we need is rankdir=LR; ranksep=4; 22:35
if it's too tall, so what. You can scroll a little bit, right? 22:36
BooK not that wide, there's like 3 layers 22:39
AlexDaniel BooK: oh? Can you show it? 22:40
BooK klonk.bruhat.net/graphviz.png 22:42
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AlexDaniel right, with twopi 22:43
BooK yes
forcing the center to Mu
and ranksep=2.5 I think
raschipi I think Book's version is t 22:44
AlexDaniel splines help also files.progarm.org/graphI.svg
raschipi nice
AlexDaniel: Your is hard to follow, the lines get confused when they are near each other 22:45
AlexDaniel one second :)
BooK AlexDaniel's one has Any in the center
raschipi I don't perceive much difference between them in the center. 22:46
AlexDaniel files.progarm.org/graphG.svg ? 22:47
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BooK AlexDaniel: nice, but I think the same effect could be achieved with making them bold when hovering 22:48
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raschipi The colors are nice because they eliminate the need to follow the lines completely, bold wouldn't. 22:49
BooK widgets.stratopan.com/wheel?q=XML-...1&fs=1 # like this does (not sure if it's pure svg)
colors are not always user-friendly 22:50
interactive bold helps focus on one thing at a time
but that's if it's possible to have some interaction (I know png can't, not sure about svg) 22:51
nevermind, the wheel I linked to is made in js
AlexDaniel you can do that with css and svgs I believe 22:52
raschipi And can it be generated with dot
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BooK or postprocessed into the resulting svg 22:56
AlexDaniel you just add a css class to whatever you want, then you style it using onhover 22:57
raschipi Can graphviz generate svg with css classes? Is this how it would work? 23:02
AlexDaniel yeah 23:03
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AlexDaniel although now I'm no longer sure… I remember doing that somehow, but googling doesn't give anything helpful. Well, maybe this: bl.ocks.org/timelyportfolio/7a87f60839cb9c2a1b3d 23:05
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Unreadable type graphs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/246#is...-326774155 23:09
🍕 gfldex++ opened issue “better example in Iterator useful”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1508 23:11
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squashable6 🍕 gfldex++ edited issue “better example in Iterator useful”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1508 23:14
Geth doc: gfldex++ created pull request #1509:
better example in Iterator, closes #1508		 23:22
squashable6 🍕 gfldex++ opened pull request “better example in Iterator, closes #1508”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1509
gfldex #1508 is a reply to stackoverflow.com/questions/458448...gning-them 23:24
squashable6 🍕 jnthn++ wrote a comment on “better example in Iterator useful”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1508#i...-326774764 23:27
🍕 gfldex++ edited issue “better example in Iterator useful”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1508 23:30
🍕 gfldex++ wrote a comment on “better example in Iterator useful”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1508#i...-326774893 23:31
🍕 gfldex++ synchronize pull request “better example in Iterator, closes #1508”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1509
🍕 gfldex++ wrote a comment on “better example in Iterator, closes #1508”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1509#iss...-326774953 23:32
🍕 gfldex++ edited issue “better example in Iterator useful”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1508 23:35
🍕 gfldex++ synchronize pull request “better example in Iterator, closes #1508”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1509
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Unreadable type graphs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/246#is...-326775077 23:36
🍕 AlexDaniel++ self-unassigned issue “Unreadable type graphs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/246 23:37
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Unreadable type graphs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/246#is...-326775100
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squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in ≈12 hours
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/bb5dbc74e8ff1a9fdd...912b1cd25f
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grondilu discovers the :Tabularize on Vim. Is happy. 23:44
*command
raschipi grondilu: do you have any extensions? My Vim doesn't have a tabularize ex command. 23:48
Geth doc: b8723fb8b2 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Type/Proc/Async.pod6
Add a note for $proc.kill

SIGHUP is likely not what most people want. Or maybe it is… See this discussion: irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-09-02#i_15104886
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “show how to get the exit code out of Proc::Async”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1465 23:49
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “show how to get the exit code out of Proc::Async”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1465#i...-326775450
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “nativecast is not documented”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/537#is...-326775556 23:53
grondilu raschipi: yes it's an extension indeed. I just forgot I had installed it :P
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Native Types Not Documented”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/372#is...-326775597 23:54
🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “Table in Pod::Block is broken”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1510 23:58
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Table in Pod::Block is broken”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1510

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