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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
kyan mm? 00:00
timotimo github.com/jnthn/grammar-debugger/...er.pm6#L47
timotimo this line calls into the code in the grammar that's being traced 00:00
if an exception flies, it never calls $indent-- in the next line
timotimo this ought to have some kind of combination of try and CATCH 00:00
kyan Oh, interesting 00:01
timotimo it's probably a good idea to output something about exceptions if one passes by
and make sure it gets rethrown, of course
m: do { die "oh no!"; CATCH { say "i caught $_" } }
camelia i caught oh no!
oh no!
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo ^- here it gets rethrown
m: do { die "oh no!"; CATCH { default { say "i caught $_" } } } 00:02
camelia i caught oh no!
timotimo ^- having a "when" that matches the exception or a "default" will prevent it from being rethrown
well, only prevents it from being rethrown automatically for you
you can still manually rethrow it
kyan I see, should I try to edit Grammar::Debugger? (It's a little intimidating, I've only been using Perl 6 for like 3 days now, heh) 00:03
kyan gonna try it, don't know how to install it though since I used "zef" instead of portage 00:04
AlexDaniel may be a good use for LEAVE
timotimo no problem, you can just git clone that repository, make your changes, and run "zef install --force ." in the directory
kyan Ah, thanks!
timotimo (the --force is needed so that you don't have to bump the version field in the META file every time)
kyan was thinking of LEAVE, actually
timotimo LEAVE around the $indent-- will make sure the indent gets changed appropriately in any case 00:05
having an extra CATCH can then help print out something helpful
kyan Would LEAVE run the indent-- at the right time, or would it happen after the "#Dump result" bit? 00:06
I might just use a try...catch at first, seems simple
AlexDaniel my $result; { $indent++; LEAVE $indent--; $result := $meth($c, |args); } # or something?
kyan: yea you'd have to introduce another block, probably 00:07
Xliff What is the easiest way to convert a decimal number to any base?
timotimo m: say 1234.base(16)
camelia 4D2
kyan Mm. Thanks!
Xliff m: 64.base(2).say 00:08
camelia 1000000
kyan m: say 123456789.base(64)
camelia base argument to base out of range. Is: 64, should be in 2..36
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Xliff m: 65.base(2).say
camelia 1000001
Xliff Thanks.
ugexe timotimo: when installing from a local path it will not attempt to use a cached copy
oh n/m, rakudo itself needs the --force still 00:09
e.g. CUR.install($dist, :force) 00:10
kyan Ok, it's working, albeit a little talkatively. I'm not sure it should mention the exception being caught and rethrown, at least not there, since it does it 4 times :P 00:15
timotimo hm. you can have a variable that gets set when throwing was involved and when the next method gets called (and thus the whole printing business starts back up) it could output the exception stuff at the "right" level 00:17
but since most exceptions will leave straight out of the .parse or .subparse method those would need to be wrapped, too
actually, perhaps parse is already wrapped? 00:18
kyan I mean, the caller could just be expected to handle exceptions from the grammar, I'd think
timotimo the variable i've envisioned may also be used to only print any given exception once
anyway, i'm late for bed and the cat will probably enforce half an hour of cuddling before i'm allowed to sleep :) 00:20
good luck!
kyan Opened a PR: github.com/jnthn/grammar-debugger/pull/38 Thanks all! :D 00:20
gn!
kyan gn! 00:35
oops, thought this was my terminal, tried to rerun a command -_-; Sorry.
Morfent are grammar rules allowed to be recursive? 00:37
AlexDaniel Morfent: sure, but there are some limitations 00:39
Morfent: for example, left-recursive things may loop forever 00:40
Morfent ah 00:41
Xliff I'm writing NativeCall code and need to flip a bitmask. What's the easiest way to do that? I am getting stumped by C-think, and I don't know if the +^ operator is doing what I think it is supposed to. 01:37
kyan Is it possible for code to return false or whatever in such a way that Test would count it as not "ok", but that wouldn't trigger a CATCH clause? I've got something that's acting like that, afaict, but I wouldn't think that would be possible 01:45
kyan Ah, it does seem so. I guess returning a False Boolean triggers a test failure, but also does *not* automatically throw an exception at the same time. I guess that makes sense. Thanks. :) 01:55
jdv79 so it looks like i can't tap the Supply hanging off a IO::Socket::Async more than once 02:07
does that sound right?
jdv79 seems lame to me but i might be missing something 02:15
but if i insert a .share in there it works. hmm.
wonder why...
i thought i could tap any Supply n times 02:16
zacts evening
jdv79 it i 02:17
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TimToady hmm, maybe .base above 36 should just return the ":60[12,34,56]" form instead 06:11
AlexDaniel m: say 9123607.polymod(37 xx *).reverse 06:12
camelia (4 32 4 15 36)
TimToady well, or we could have a polymul 06:13
AlexDaniel for .parse-base?
AlexDaniel doesn't get it 06:14
TimToady I mean going the other direction of extending .base
m: say 9123607.base(37) 06:15
camelia base argument to base out of range. Is: 37, should be in 2..36
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
AlexDaniel polymod code above is already equivalent to .base(37)
TimToady but returns a list, not string, unlike .bae
*base
it's just an odd little case of refusing to dwim 06:16
or the error should suggest a workaround, but then why not just make it work?
AlexDaniel m: say sum (37 X**^∞)Z*(<4 32 4 15 36>.reverse)
camelia 9123607
TimToady yeah, completely obvious :P 06:17
AlexDaniel well, that's for parse-base
TimToady well, it's a minor discontinuity 06:20
TimToady ponders how to detect left-recursion efficiently...
AlexDaniel TimToady: there we go: RT #132156 06:21
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3/Public/Bug/Display...?id=132156
TimToady well, that's assuming that's the right decision :) 06:22
well, it's certainly righter than what we have, just might not be the rightest... 06:23
AlexDaniel some unicode characters would be OK for me, but :60[12,34,56] is arguably wronger than what we have now… 06:24
because for variable bases you'd suddenly get something completely different when you go over 36 06:25
TimToady not so completely different as the difference between a string and a list though, which is what polymod returns 06:28
the question is what will be reading the string on the other end, I guess
AlexDaniel but polymod returns a list consistently
TimToady not consistently with .base :P 06:29
AlexDaniel unfortunately cirlced numbers only go up to ㉟
AlexDaniel ah wait 06:30
AlexDaniel ㊿ 06:30
TimToady still an arbitrary limit
AlexDaniel TimToady: well, then why not give it a named arg with the character set for produced numbers 06:33
then you can go as high as you want, as long as you give it enough characters
TimToady well, but if you're getting that fancy you might as well use polymod and ordinary array lookup rather than reinventing it 06:34
I don't actually feel terribly strongly about this; it just struck me as an odd discontinuity since we do have a string rep for higher bases 06:35
so one could argue that the real discontinuity if we do that is the need to suddenly include the base info in the string when .base(16), say, doesn't 06:37
otoh, we note the same sort of defaulting on input: 06:39
m: say :16(~:60[1,2,3])
camelia 14115
moritz .u ㉟ 06:59
yoleaux U+325F CIRCLED NUMBER THIRTY FIVE [No] (㉟)
Geth doc: 443b4b2518 | (Steve Mynott)++ | bin/p6doc
add warning comment about updating p6doc docs
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ilmari m: say ㉟² 09:21
camelia 1225
lizmat .u ㉟ 09:25
yoleaux U+325F CIRCLED NUMBER THIRTY FIVE [No] (㉟)
Geth doc: 73521af75c | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | bin/p6doc
fix typo
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Geth doc: 3b3c29b675 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 2 files
Document $*INIT-INSTANT

Fixes #510 Fixes #1462
Rakudo impl: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/6bdb2dd368 Spec: github.com/perl6/roast/commit/84b48ec92b		 10:19
[Coke] typo: github.com/perl6/doc/blob/3b3c29b6...pod6#L1102 "statup" 12:14
Geth doc: ae24046577 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/variables.pod6
s/statup/startup/
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robertle I would like to load a module at runtime, based on some lookup. I can do "require ::($module-name);" ok, but how can I load it if it's not already in the search path? is there a runtime equivalent of "use lib 'somewhere';"? or is there a "require" with filename rather than module name? 12:19
jnthn I vaguely recall `require $filename` working for that 12:20
moritz right, just pass in a string
robertle when I try that I get a "Could not find ... in ...." 12:21
robertle ah, needs an absolute path! 12:23
aewsome! 12:24
Zoffix ( tangently relevant: the code that pulls code from github repo and loads the module from it if it's not installed: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...s6#L10-L21 )
perlpilot How does one add to the list of places Rakudo looks for modules at run-time? $*REPO doesn't seem to be very well documented 12:29
Zoffix This works perl6 -e 'my $path = get.trim; %*ENV<PERL6LIB> = $path; require Foo' 12:35
This works too perl6 -e 'my $path = get.trim; qq|use lib <$path>|.EVAL; require Foo'
No idea about $*REPO
moritz m: say $*REPO.repo-chain 12:39
camelia (inst#/home/camelia/.perl6 inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/site inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/vendor inst#/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6 CompUnit::Repository::AbsolutePath.new(next-repo => CompUnit::Repository::…
Zoffix perlpilot: .use-repository: .repository-for-spec: $path.IO.absolute given CompUnit::RepositoryRegistry; 12:41
That's what `use lib` does under the hood
huggable: run-time use lib :is: Add module search path at runtime: .use-repository: .repository-for-spec: $path.IO.absolute given CompUnit::RepositoryRegistry;
huggable Zoffix, Added run-time use lib as Add module search path at runtime: .use-repository: .repository-for-spec: $path.IO.absolute given CompUnit::RepositoryRegistry;
[Coke] Zoffix++ 12:43
Zoffix (P.S.: .EVAL example above is dangeruuus; do not use :) ) 12:45
kyan Um, so I can use <?{ if condition { fail; }; }> in a grammar to fail a parse. Is there a way to do change that so it just fails matching the specific token, and continues with parsing? 13:18
TimToady there are a number of things you could mean by "continues with parsing", so I'm wondering which one it is :) 13:25
kyan TimToady: In other words, if I have a token baz { <foo> || <bar> }, and token foo { <?{ if condition { fail; }; }> }, I'd want it to continue to try to match <bar> if "condition" were true 13:30
timotimo if you return a boolean from the code block it gives you a match success or match failure
just like when you put a "foo" in the regex but there's no "foo" in the source. that kind of failure 13:31
i.e. it'll also cause backtracking of stuff before it
m: say "hello world" ~~ / .<?{ say "tried $/"; $++ > 5 }> /
camelia tried h
tried e
tried l
tried l
tried o
tried
tried w
tried o
tried r
tried l
tried d
Nil
timotimo oh?
kyan Ok. Interesting. It seems to be ditching out for me 13:32
timotimo anyway, "fail" is a lot lkie a "return"
m: say "hello world" ~~ / .<?{ say "tried $/"; say $++; $++ > 5 }> /
camelia tried h
0
tried e
0
tried l
0
tried l
0
tried o
0
tried
0
tried w
0
tried o
0
tried r
0
tried l
0
tried d
0
Nil
timotimo okay, $++ isn't what i should use there
kyan I think I might be starting to wrap my head around how that works. 13:33
Zoffix m: my $tries; say "hello world" ~~ / .<?{ say "tried $/"; $tries++ > 5 }> / 13:35
camelia tried h
tried e
tried l
tried l
tried o
tried
tried w
｢w｣
TimToady note that it'll also backtrack into a | 13:36
and pick the next longest token to try
kyan Cool. Thanks! :D
Zoffix m: say "hello world" ~~ /<?{True}>/ ?? "Matched" !! "Not matched"; say "hello world" ~~ /<?{False}>/ ?? "Matched" !! "Not matched"
camelia Matched
Not matched
Morfent perl regex is mindblowing compared to other languages' regex i've had to work with before
TimToady that's probably where break-everything-that-needs-breaking caused the most redesign 13:37
Morfent which half the time was manually wrangling strings when lookbehind would've been nice to have
TimToady though you have to be a little careful with lookbehind, since it might violate the one-pass parsing idea 13:38
kyan (not-exactly-related question: is there a way to make multiline Q[foo] string literals work with whitespace?)
TimToady for instance, never check to see if something is backslashed using lookbehind
Zoffix kyan: work how?
Morfent yeah, i avoid using it when i can 13:39
TimToady because what if the backslash is backslashed, and then what if that one is backslashed?
kyan Ok, that was a really unclear way of phrasing it. Sorry. I'll make a gist showing what I mean
kyan has not had enough coffee yet
Zoffix m: gist.github.com/zoffixznet/d1dade1...6d24488574 13:40
camelia Foo bar meow
Meow meow mow
Moooo
Zoffix kyan: I think you're talking about HEREDOCs ^
kyan gist.github.com/ethus3h/0d97aa6603...032ef590d3 13:42
kyan Zoffix: Aha, precisely. Thanks! ♥ 13:43
(your mind reading skills are impressive. I wouldn't have understood my question if I hadn't written it, upon looking back.) 13:44
kyan Thanks all for all your help. :D Off to class now... Bye! 13:48
Zoffix You know what's fun? That you can use fancy unicode chars for the `:to` delimiters that delimit a fancy unicode char for the heredoc 13:51
m: say Q:to♥✎♥;␤ Foo bar meow␤ Meow meow mow␤ Moooo␤ ✎
camelia Foo bar meow
Meow meow mow
Moooo
Zoffix ehehe
Apparently the colon isn't even needed in that case 13:53
m: say Qto✏✎✏;␤ Foo bar meow␤ Meow meow mow␤ Moooo␤ ✎
camelia Foo bar meow
Meow meow mow
Moooo
Zoffix m: ｢foo\\\bar\bar｣.subst(:g, /<!after ｢\｣> ｢\｣ ./, {.Str eq ｢\\｣ ?? ｢\｣ !! .uc}).put 14:18
camelia foo\\bar\Bar
Zoffix ^_^
Zoffix Don't really get why it's not working right. The subbed part is re-examined or what? 14:19
Ah, ok, nevermind 14:20
jnthn 'win 23 14:21
oops :)
Zoffix adds that to the lottery patterns 14:22
Zoffix 'win 42 14:23
buggable Zoffix, Thank you for entering Accidental /win Lottery! The next draw will happen in 5 days, 9 hours, 36 minutes, and 52 seconds 14:23
Zoffix
.oO( wonder why it used to be under @perl6.party but rejoined under @IPv6 )
 14:24
Zoffix m: ｢foo\\\bar\bar｣.subst(:g, /｢\｣./, *.comb.tail.uc).put 14:49
camelia foo\BarBar
Zoffix I gave up trying to do it with lookbehind :)
m: ｢foo\\\bar\bar｣.subst(:g, /<!after ｢\｣**{1,3…5555}> ｢\｣ ./, *.comb.tail.uc).put # other than this, I mean 14:51
camelia foo\BarBar
Zoffix m: ｢foo\\\bar\bar｣.subst(:g, /<!after $0=[｢\｣+] {dd $0}> ｢\｣ ./, *.comb.tail.uc).put 14:52
camelia Nil
foo\\barBar
Nil
Nil
Nil
Nil
Nil
Nil
Nil
Nil
Nil
Nil
Nil
Zoffix And I kinda expected the stuff inside <after> to be its own match object that I could introspect while matching, but seems its empty or something 14:53
Ah, it just don't capture
Zoffix m: ｢foo\\\bar\bar｣.subst(:g, /<!after <!{$/.orig.substr($/.pos).subst: /^ (｢\｣+) <?{$0.chars %% 2}>/, ""}>> ｢\｣ ./, *.comb.tail.uc).put 15:00
camelia foo\BarBar
Zoffix Yes. I win :)
AlexDaniel e: .say for sort (.unival for 1..0x10FFFF).unique 15:07
evalable6 (signal SIGHUP) «timed out after 10 seconds»
AlexDaniel :( 15:08
leont Zoffix: you keep breaking my stuff! :-p github.com/Leont/build-graph6/issues/3 ;-) 16:07
Zoffix leont: it still works, it's just deprecated. 16:08
Blame the person who documented an unspecced feature :)
greppable6: \$\*INITTIME 16:09
greppable6 Zoffix, gist.github.com/d775c42b964195bb65...9c65023e14
Zoffix I guess I should've checked that :}
Zoffix makes PRs 16:10
Zoffix leont: github.com/Leont/build-graph6/pull/4 16:15
leont Fix looks good to me 16:27
Zoffix japhb: (I think you have commit rights): github.com/ab5tract/Terminal-Print/pull/53 16:28
[Coke] github.com/perl6/doc/blob/ae240465...pod6#L1104 - typo in docs. "miliseconds" 16:47
Zoffix gah. I can't type at all :D 16:47
Geth doc: 2cdbde8c91 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/variables.pod6
s/miliseconds/milliseconds/;
 16:48
[Coke] if I have a Proc::Async and want to feed the output of that to the input of another Proc::Async, is there a way to do it without having to explicitly tap the first and have it write to the second? 16:59
Zoffix Don't see a way without raking object guts with nqp 17:03
ilmari $proc1.bind-stdout($proc2.stdin) or vice versa? 17:05
AlexDaniel Zoffix: I just realized…
Zoffix $proc2.stdin returns a Supply tho
AlexDaniel Zoffix: merging these PRs will make the tests fail on all rakudos before 2017.10
Zoffix I meant, it doesn't return an IO::Handle
AlexDaniel Zoffix: including the previous rakudo star
Zoffix AlexDaniel: why? 17:06
AlexDaniel: which PRs the INITTIME ones?
AlexDaniel Zoffix: ah sorry, didn't look into the PRs themselves
nevermind then :)
Zoffix :)
ryn1x lizmat: Just checking back in about the selling the stuffed camelia's online...
Zoffix $proc2.stdin isn't a method actually.
AlexDaniel Zoffix++
Zoffix Well, there's .bind-stdout that takes an IO::Handle and there's a .bind-stdin that takes IO::Handle and they use .native-descriptor to do their thing, but I don't know how to chain the two together 17:07
ilmari there's a .bind-stdin that takes a Proc::Async::Pipe 17:08
Zoffix Ohhh 17:09
ilmari which is what .stdout(:bin) returns
so $proc2.bind-stdin($proc1.stdout(:bin)) 17:10
ilmari hence "or vice versa" above, because I couldn't immediately figure out which way around they went together 17:11
hedging++
AlexDaniel github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1580
ilmari AlexDaniel++ # that was quick 17:12
Zoffix m: this works: my $proc1 = Proc::Async.new: "cal"; my $proc2 = Proc::Async.new: «perl6 -e "slurp.uc.put"»; $proc2.bind-stdin: $proc1.stdout: :bin; await $proc1.start, $proc2.start
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
works used at line 1. Did you mean 'words', 'ords'?
Zoffix ilmari++
s/m: //; 17:13
ilmari jnthn++ # added bind-stdin(Pipe) in June 17:15
[Coke] ilmari++ jnthn++ danke. 17:20
Zoffix++ 17:21
ilmari huggable: hug everyone
huggable hugs everyone
leont Can someone remind me how I can check if the current rakudo is 2017.09+ or not? 17:30
Zoffix m: say not $*PERL.compiler.version before 2017.09 17:31
camelia True
Zoffix c: 2017.04 say not $*PERL.compiler.version before 2017.09
committable6 Zoffix, ¦2017.04: «False»
Zoffix m: say $*PERL.compiler.version !before 2017.09 # prolly clearer 17:32
camelia True
Zoffix m: say $*PERL.compiler.version !before v2017.09 # prolly clearer 17:33
camelia True
Zoffix Oops :) missed a `v` :)
m: say $*PERL.compiler.version >= v2017.09 # prolly clearer 17:34
camelia True
Zoffix m: say $*PERL.compiler.version ≥ v2017.09 # prolly clearer 17:35
camelia Cannot resolve caller Real(Version: ); none of these signatures match:
(Mu:U \v: *%_)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix haw
lame
leont Thanks! 17:36
Zoffix Ah, it's due to the temp fix for the bug that makes ≥ 50x slower than >= Not all the >= candidates were added as ≥ 17:36
Zoffix hackety hacks
frobisher Huh. Apparently I've been away from IRC so long that someone managed to appropriate my nick. :-/ 17:40
Zoffix What did it use to be? 17:41
frobisher dha
Zoffix Ah
Should've registered :}
frobisher I did.
If registrations don't expire, then I have no idea what happened. 17:42
Zoffix Hm... I think I recall a few month back Freenode saying you need to re-login if you want to keep your registration or something
teatime I don't think they do automatically, but after a certain period of inactivity people can request staff to delete them so they can register it. 17:42
Zoffix frobisher: it's still registered dude 17:43
frobisher: just log in and do /ghost dha
frobisher Oh. Or possibly, as it seems to be logged in from Amsterdam, maybe I somehow never got logged out.
Zoffix :D
teatime lol
frobisher Apparently, I may not ghost dha.
Zoffix You need to log in first
frobisher I'm confused. what does "log in" mean in this context? 17:44
Zoffix login into nickserv
teatime frobisher: identify. /msg nickserv help identify
frobisher ah. 17:45
Zoffix Syntax: GHOST <nick> [password]
/msg NickServ ghost dha your-pass
dha huzzah! 17:46
thanks.
lizmat
.oO( dha's back! :-)
dha Indeed. :-) 17:47
leont I don't understand the results observed in github.com/Leont/yamlish/issues/17 17:50
That element should be a regex and not a token, I can understand
But why also TOP?
tinita leont: btw, i ran the test suite matrix on yamlish. it took 18 minutes though, and i'm not sure i want to run that every time i regenrate it 17:55
tinita i think i need to write a script that runs all tests in one process 17:55
it passed 80 tests and died for 123 tests 17:56
Zoffix I don't get how that grammar matches with `regexes` at all. Wouldn't `no bar` match the `no` first and then fail because not entire string was matched?
tinita leont: flens.perlpunks.de/tinita/ytm/ # note that this is temporary 17:57
leont tinita: well, the link I just posted might explain some of those failures 17:58
leont In recent times I discovered a whole bunch of issues that need to be fixed -_- 17:58
Zoffix Ah
leont Fixing tags/anchors on block sequences and maps would probably help a lot too 17:59
Zoffix leont: I see why also TOP: `rule TOP` matches "no" as `<element>` but that's not the end of string, so it still has to backtrack to match a different `<element>`
leont Ah, I see. I hadn't realised that 18:00
tinita leont: i hope i have time soon to write a batch script for the matrix tests. until then, i'll keep perl6 off the matrix
leont: are you using the test suite yourself?
leont It shouldn't be that slow though, that would make me suspect something disagrees with precompilation or some such 18:01
tinita leont: the funny thing is, the json dumper version is a bit faster
15 minutes
and the first one is always very slow 18:02
leont Your test suite? No not yet. Hadn't come around to setting that up. Is there a write-up of how to do that?
tinita so it seems precompilation is happening at least
tinita leont: you can just checkout the 'data' branch of yaml/yaml-test-suite 18:03
any error tests have an 'error' file in their directory, so these should fail
so even if you don't output events yet, you can use it to see if parsing succeeds or not 18:04
for perl5 YAML::PP i include the data directory in my release tarball
i think it's time to add some more infos to the test suite README 18:07
leont One clear thing in that test is that currently tags are broken and anchors have issues, which isn't that much of a surprise 18:08
tinita =) 18:09
leont ast branch should make fixing that easier, though actually solving it will mean more serious refactoring of the grammar 18:10
Toni_ hi 19:08
Toni_ how can I execute a sub which has its name in a variable? 19:09
Toni_ sub s { say "something"} 19:09
my $x = "s"
Toni_ i want to execute $x 19:10
Zoffix sub s { say "something"}; my $x = "s"; ::("&$x")()
m: sub s { say "something"}; my $x = "s"; ::("&$x")()
camelia something
Zoffix ::() is symbol look up. Sub symbols have "&" in front of names. And the trailing () execute it (and can take args) 19:10
Toni_ thank you Zoffix 19:11
lizmat is almost done with this week's Perl 6 Weekly 19:21
are there any things you think I may have missed, *now* is the time to let me know!
timotimo i don't remember doing anything of interest the last week 19:30
the grant proposal wasn't in the last weekly, though?
only until tomorrow to comment on it
though i'm not sure if many readers of the weekly are good people to ask for comments here on that 19:31
lizmat timotimo: it wasn't in last weeks, it is in this weeks 19:33
timotimo OK 19:39
lizmat and another Perl 6 Weekly hits the Net: p6weekly.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/...-the-pool/ 20:02
Zoffix \o/ 20:07
raschipi \0/ 20:08
AlexDaniel “I promise to travel to wherever you live and kiss your feet if you do this latter task” 20:11
(www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/71.../dnd8e9m/)
Zoffix Gross 20:13
lizmat++ good weekly
Lots of new namea I don't recognize
names
dha lizmat++ 20:17
sjn reads the weekly 20:23
Geth ecosystem: 4710e04096 | (Jonathan Stowe)++ | META.list
Add GDBM

See github.com/jonathanstowe/p6-GDBM		 20:32
AlexDaniel “and as far as syntax, capital letters just everywhere. Sometimes entire words capitalized. I use Perl in my dev environment, which I SSH into, and it is a nightmare to try to type Perl 6 code” 20:53
AlexDaniel XD somebody has troubles typing capital letters 20:53
don't tell them about unicode stuff we use
( www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/714...5/dn9capm/ ) 20:54
Zoffix But it doesn't say they have trouble typing capital letters. I don't know why people are mocking that person. 21:08
geekosaur -Wtrigraphs, anyone? 21:10
timotimo right, they complained that allcaps words are ugly to them, and then went on to say typing perl6 code is no fun for them 21:11
Zoffix geekosaur: sounds like a perfect idea for a Slang :P 21:16
mryan50 Are there any known problems installing ‘v5’ with zef? 21:30
[Coke] Is v5 working? no travis setup, 8 open issues... 21:31
Looks like v5 is depending specfically on Panda modules 21:32
... without declaring this; so zef doesn't install them for you.
lizmat v5 is pretty bitrotten afaik 21:33
mryan50 I’m a newbie so, I didn’t know where to look. Ok. So if v5 doesn’t work, one would expect the tests in S01-perl-5-integration should be expected to fail?
timotimo i believe v5 is bitrotted by a lot
those probably use Inline::Perl5 though
mryan50 ahh.. thanks 21:34
[Coke] (Panda) I did zef install Panda::Common, that grabbed all the deps, then it hangs during the build. 21:35
timotimo shall we remove panda from the ecosystem in a month or two?
maybe also ufo?
mryan50 So, how does one know what tests to expect to (not) work in t/spec ? 21:36
timotimo there's the spectest.data that defines what gets tried at all 21:36
inside the t folder 21:37
mryan50 ok. ta
timotimo individual tests are "fudged" with text like #?rakudo skip or todo or something
AlexDaniel m: say 42; LEAVE say ‘bye’;
camelia 42
bye
AlexDaniel m: say 42; exit 0; LEAVE say ‘bye’; 21:37
camelia 42
thou Is it possible to do $foo.match() or $foo ~~ / pat / inside an action method? I get "Cannot assign to a readonly variable ($/) or a value". gist.github.com/softmoth/e63b4920d...d4ce065420 23:00
Zoffix thou: don't name the parameter $/
thou oh, that seems simple enough 23:01
Zoffix :)
Zoffix m: gist.github.com/zoffixznet/c066951...aae3069d5b 23:01
camelia HI HI
thou … and it is simple!
Zoffix The error likely can be improved. Filed as rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=132162 23:09
teatime hmmmm... I just had a maybe really good idea... how about a weekly Perl6 quiz, like rubyquiz.com/ ? Would give me a project to do, generate a bunch of example Perl6 code for folks to read, and be a source of regular semi-interesting exercises for people wanting to learn/practice Perl6. 23:22
there used to be at least one Perl5 one 23:23
Zoffix teatime: do it! :)
teatime Zoffix: does it seem like a legit promising idea, or are you just being generically encouraging? :) 23:26
Zoffix teatime: promising idea 23:29
Zoffix There is (used to be?) 6Fix that emailed challenges. I had trouble using the system and never got more than 3 first challenges 23:30
teatime ah yes... I had forgotten how long perl6 has actually been around. 23:31

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