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bazzaar well simplistically I could eliminate case, and filter away 'prefixed-by-sigil' occurrences, it might be gnarly, but it could be useful, and perhaps be less of a source of frustration than the poorly populated utility tags collection is 00:00
ugexe right, but the simplistic case is already served better by the simple regex it would require 00:02
your idea is indefinitely better, but to achieve it is much more difficult (regex idea breaks down when its not so simple to come up with and type as a query) 00:03
bazzaar agree that it might be a poor man's egrep, but it would be a first pass summary index of coding 'examples' embedded within the modules code, where the user only need to click to get some results 00:08
ugexe you could always write a microservice (with Cro or Bailador) to proof of concept, and then simply provide the module website API access to it should you decide it is polished enough 00:14
bazzaar was just an idea that has sprung to my mind a few times, wanted to post it, appreciated folks taking the time to consider
ugexe come up with a list of keywords, and `git grep $_` your way to a database
probably less than 100 lines of code, assuming you have something to clone the repos 00:15
ugexe or write a bot to come in here and send `greppable6: $_` for all your keywords and build your database from that hehe 00:17
bazzaar ugexe: thanks for the insight, I will pursue that line of approach :-)
Herby__ Also: how can I use a variable as a regex pattern? my @list-of-patterns[0;1] = '(\w+)'; say $/ if "some string" ~~ / @list-of-patterns[0;1] /; 01:00
rather, how do i interpolate a variable in a regex pattern 01:01
MasterDuke Herby__: just the variable if you want it interpreted as a string, <$var> if you want it interpreted as a regex, <{ code }> to execute the code and interpolate the results into the regex 01:03
MasterDuke m: my $r = "b"; say "abc" ~~ / $r / 01:05
camelia ｢b｣
MasterDuke m: my $r = "a.c"; say "abc" ~~ / <$r> /
camelia ｢abc｣
Herby__ what if you have capture groups in the variable?
m: my $r = "a(.)c"; say "azc" ~~ / $r /; 01:06
camelia Nil
Herby__ m: my $r = "a(.)c"; say "azc" ~~ / <$r> /;
camelia ｢azc｣ 01:06
Herby__ m: my $r = "a(.)c"; say $/ "azc" ~~ / <$r> /;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $r = "a(.)c"; say $/7⏏5 "azc" ~~ / <$r> /;
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end…
Herby__ m: my $r = "a(.)c"; say ~$/0 if "azc" ~~ / <$r> /;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $r = "a(.)c"; say ~$/7⏏050 if "azc" ~~ / <$r> /;
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement…
Herby__ m: my $r = "a(.)c"; say ~$/[0] if "azc" ~~ / <$r> /;
camelia Use of Nil in string context

in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Herby__ sorry 01:07
MasterDuke Herby__: you might need to use EVAL, not 100% sure
Herby__ hmmm
MasterDuke i.e., create the "regex" as a string and then EVAL that
geekosaur it is known that subcaptures are lost in that case, I don't think anyone has sorted out why yet 01:08
MasterDuke m: my $r = "/a(.)c/".EVAL; say "abc" ~~ $r
camelia ｢abc｣
0 => ｢b｣
Herby__ maybe there is a better way to accomplish my goal. I have a list of regex patterns (that have capture groups) and I want to apply each pattern to a string 01:09
MasterDuke: thanks 01:12
MasterDuke np
Geth doc: lefth++ created pull request #1618:
Small changes: wrong link, missing :kv, grammar error		 04:39
zostay m: dd \(a => 1, b => <a b c>); dd Capture.new(:hash(%(a => 1, b => <a b c>))); 05:00
camelia \(:a(1), :b(("a", "b", "c")))
\(:a(1), :b($("a", "b", "c")))
zostay m: dd \(a => 1, b => <a b c>); dd Capture.new(:hash(%(a => 1, b => <a b c>.list))); 05:00
camelia \(:a(1), :b(("a", "b", "c")))
\(:a(1), :b($("a", "b", "c")))		 05:01
zostay I keep banging my head on this and can't figure out a way to make a Capture programmatically that behaves the same as the syntactic one.
Geth doc: jstuder-gh++ created pull request #1619:
Document List cmp infix and sorting by multiple values (via List)		 05:52
lizmat clickbaits p6weekly.wordpress.com/2017/10/23/...ds-racing/ 07:17
AlexDaniel` that's a very nice weekly. lizmat++ 07:26
moritz indeed, lizmat++ 07:43
AlexDaniel` oh gosh, pascal's triangle in 26 characters… I'm out :) 08:55
( code-golf.io/ )
moritz happy to see so many camels and butterflies on that site 08:57
wander m: grammar G { rule TOP { <number>+ { dd $<number>; die "wrong" if $<number>[0].made !~~ /\w+/; dd $<number>; } }; rule number { \d+ { make ~$/; }} }; G.parse("1 2 3 4"); 10:12
camelia [Match.new(list => (), made => "1 ", pos => 2, hash => Map.new(()), orig => "1 2 3 4", from => 0), Match.new(list => (), made => "2 ", pos => 4, hash => Map.new(()), orig => "1 2 3 4", from => 2), Match.new(list => (), made => "3 ", pos => 6, hash => …
wander grammar G { rule TOP { <number>+ { dd $<number>; die "wrong" if $<number>[0].made !~~ /\w+/; dd $<number>; } }; rule number { \d+ { make ~$/; }} }; G.parse("1");
m: grammar G { rule TOP { <number>+ { dd $<number>; die "wrong" if $<number>[0].made !~~ /\w+/; dd $<number>; } }; rule number { \d+ { make ~$/; }} }; G.parse("1");
camelia [Match.new(list => (), made => "1", pos => 1, hash => Map.new(()), orig => "1", from => 0)]
Nil
wander interesting
mienaikage I'm lost on this one, anyone know why every 4th test fails here? I was up until 2am scratching my head over it 😕 glot.io/snippets/euu75yqs7d
wander after a smart-match, I lose $<numver>
AlexDaniel` wander: well, matching a regex will reset $/ 10:15
wander: or set it to whatever you get from matching 10:16
wander aha
right, I forget what $/ is
AlexDaniel` $<number> is same as $/<number> :) 10:17
docs.perl6.org/syntax/$$SOLIDUS
Grimy p6: sub infix:<!~>($a, $b) { say "$a, $b" }; 3 !~ 4 10:18
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of !~ to do negated pattern matching; in Perl 6 please use !~~
at <tmp>:1
------> 3fix:<!~>($a, $b) { say "$a, $b" }; 3 !~ 7⏏054		 10:19
Grimy Shouldn’t it be possible to override infix:<!~> ? After all, you can override infix:<+>.
DrForr infix:<<!~>> maybe? 10:20
Grimy Nnope, same result.
Looks like infix:<!~> is special-cased to always give this error message.
DrForr Huh. 10:21
AlexDaniel` Grimy: I think you should submit a bug report for that. We can definitely do better. 10:31
Grimy Thanks for the suggestion AlexDaniel, I will 10:34
Just noticed that infix << and >> have the same behavior, too
AlexDaniel` and =~ also, and possibly many other things 10:35
DrForr «..» might work around those.
Though it arguably shouldn't need characters outside ASCII. 10:36
Grimy Don’t see how.
Grimy p6: sub infix:«<<»($a, $b) { say "$a, $b" }; 3 << 4 10:36
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of << to do left shift; in Perl 6 please use +< or ~<
at <tmp>:1
------> 3nfix:«<<»($a, $b) { say "$a, $b" }; 3 <<7⏏5 4
mienaikage re: The above snippet, even more confusingly, it works if I change Int:D, Str:D to Int, Str 10:41
timotimo mienaikage: looks like the two Hash[Int:D,Str:D] types end up not being the same object 10:53
oh, no, that's not true 10:54
Hash[Int,Str] also gives two distinct types, but they are considered equal
mienaikage is-deeply would be eqv and not === right? 10:55
timotimo so something's not checking equivalence right for definite type constraint thingies
not sure
will be afk for a bit
AlexDaniel` m: $_ = ‘5 6 7 8’; dd «$_» Z+ 1 11:03
camelia (27,).Seq
AlexDaniel` why 27?
I do see that it sum-ed all elements on the left, but why?
Grimy p6: slip(5, 6, 7, 8) Z+ 1 11:07
camelia Potential difficulties:
Useless use of Z+ in sink context
at <tmp>:1
------> 3slip(5, 6, 7, 8) 7⏏5Z+ 1
Grimy p6: dd slip(5, 6, 7, 8) Z+ 1
camelia (27,).Seq
AlexDaniel` hmmm huh 11:08
Grimy circumfix «» gives a slip, and slips do weird things in argument lists. slip(5, 6, 7, 8) Z 1 gives ((1 5 6 7 8)), not ((1 5)). The behavior of Z+ is consistent with that. 11:10
AlexDaniel` ok, but why does «» give a slip in this particular case? 11:12
m: $_ = ‘5 6 7 8’; dd «$_»
camelia slip(IntStr.new(5, "5"), IntStr.new(6, "6"), IntStr.new(7, "7"), IntStr.new(8, "8"))
AlexDaniel` m: dd «5 6 7 8»
camelia (IntStr.new(5, "5"), IntStr.new(6, "6"), IntStr.new(7, "7"), IntStr.new(8, "8"))
Grimy m: $_ = '5 6 7'; dd «$_ 8» 11:16
camelia (IntStr.new(5, "5"), IntStr.new(6, "6"), IntStr.new(7, "7"), IntStr.new(8, "8"))
Zoffix it's 'cause the variable may contain more than one value 11:24
and with a slip it all ends up one with the rest of the things; that's my understanding of it 11:25
Zoffix m: $_ = ‘5 6 7 8’; dd «"$_"» 11:28
camelia "5 6 7 8"
AlexDaniel` to me it feels like the slip should not leak outside 11:30
Zoffix m: $_ = ‘5 6 7 8’; dd «$_ 1»
camelia (IntStr.new(5, "5"), IntStr.new(6, "6"), IntStr.new(7, "7"), IntStr.new(8, "8"), IntStr.new(1, "1"))
Zoffix Yeah, to me too
mienaikage m: $_ = ‘5 6 7 8’; dd «1$_»
camelia (IntStr.new(1, "1"), IntStr.new(5, "5"), IntStr.new(6, "6"), IntStr.new(7, "7"), IntStr.new(8, "8"))
Zoffix it's probably made to handle ^ that case and the case where it's just a variable isn't handled 11:31
AlexDaniel` yea
I'll submit a ticket then
Zoffix m: dd «x».^name 11:32
camelia "Str"
lizmat is running a stresstest for a fix for issue 1220 11:33
lizmat alas, the fix doesn't take away the instability completely :-( 11:33
AlexDaniel` lizmat: does it ever hang for you? 11:37
lizmat no, not so far 11:38
timotimo mienaikage: it turns out glot.io has version 2017.01 of rakudo installed; the bug with is-deeply with Blah:D seems to already be fixed 11:41
raschipi Is code-golf.io not working? 11:42
lizmat *1202 11:43
AlexDaniel` raschipi: opens just fine here 11:44
mienaikage timotimo: I have the same behaviour on my machine with Rakudo version 2017.09-133-g5ad2fffed built on MoarVM version 2017.09.1-49-gb3dd812a
timotimo oh!
ilmari ls 11:45
mienaikage I'd just put it on glot for the sake of sharing
ilmari EWIN
raschipi working now, sorry for bothering
mienaikage Hmm, I broke it even more... If you use require instead of use it doesn't like the typing at all glot.io/snippets/euuaa6wm8p 11:53
Zoffix mienaikage: what's the bug? 11:59
oh /me notices the glot.io snippety
mienaikage: where do I get ETL from? 12:03
Oh, there's a second tab, nm
mienaikage :)
Grimy m: say circumfix:<[ ]>(3) 12:04
camelia WARNINGS for <tmp>:
[3]
Useless use of constant value [ ] in sink context (lines 1, 1)
Zoffix :S my perl6 refuses to find it 12:05
Grimy This warning seems wrong, isn’t it?
Zoffix Grimy: yeah. It's ticketed: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id...et-history
Grimy Thanks!
Zoffix mienaikage: reproed the problem. Gimme a sec to golf it a bit. 12:08
mienaikage No worries. Was trying to put together a new exercise for exercism. Wasn't sure if I broke something or was just being silly. 12:09
raschipi But can you do it in 26 characters?
Zoffix mienaikage: there's definitely something wrong :) 12:10
Grimy m: $_ = 42; say $_ &= 3 12:22
camelia MoarVM panic: Memory allocation failed; could not allocate 108304 bytes
Zoffix heh
Grimy Should I make a ticket for this one?
Zoffix Grimy: yeah
Grimy Alright 12:22
Zoffix Grimy: you can make one here: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues
Grimy: note that `&` is an 'all' Junction, not a bit twiddling op 12:23
Grimy Thanks. Is this the recommended method? I’ve been mailing to perl6-bugs
Zoffix Grimy: it's just something new we're experimenting with. Emailing is fine too.
Grimy Alright, I’ll use GH issues since it’s more convenient imo 12:24
Geth doc: a5dee808bc | (Dan Zwell)++ (committed by Dan) | doc/Type/Hash.pod6
Document Hash's :kv adverb

Also fix a small grammar error.		 12:25
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Hash
Geth doc: 932d9f6801 | (Dan Zwell)++ (committed by Dan) | doc/Type/Signature.pod6
Fix the destructuring docs linking to the "Capture" type instead of method.
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Signature 12:26
doc: e4cce1e799 | (Rafael Schipiura)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2 files
Merge pull request #1618 from lefth/master

Small changes: wrong link, missing :kv, grammar error
doc: 92927dfa18 | (Jeremy Studer)++ | doc/Type/List.pod6
Document the List variant of the cmp operator
 12:28
doc: 191db0bd5a | (Jeremy Studer)++ | 2 files
Document sorting by multiple criteria

This is a powerful way of sorting, but it's not currently apparent that it can be done this way in the documentation.
Also, in this section have infix:<cmp> link to a page documenting the various instances of the cmp operator.
Also, added myself to credits.
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/List
doc: 26ab76444d | (Rafael Schipiura)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2 files
Merge pull request #1619 from jstuder-gh/sort_multiple

Document List cmp infix and sorting by multiple values (via List)
Zoffix mienaikage: field an Issue for it. It's a bug in Rakudo; something's busted with hashes parametired with Int:D types: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1207 12:38
mienaikage: you can workaround it by not using the `:D` in your types or sticking `no precompilation` at the top of your module (note that'd cause it to be re-compiled each time which can make things very much slower)
.oO( you know you're too tired when you write 'parametirized' as 'parametired' ... )
 12:39
Zoffix *filed too 12:39
perlpilot huh ... I was just reading the weekly and the code for running "once in a batch" surprised me. 12:46
lizmat perlpilot: why ? 12:48
[Coke] do we want doc tickets to get announced her?
*here
raschipi yes 12:49
perlpilot lizmat: because "once {...}* run only once, suppressing additional evaluations" That batching is a side-effect of .hyper/.race should factor in to that IMHO. At least not without something more explicit. 12:50
*shouldn't 12:51
[Coke] I would not expect once to mean "once per batch" 12:52
Zoffix perlpilot: then which batch should it be run in?
The phasers will also get special treatment
Zoffix [Coke]: it'd just need to add an event handler here github.com/perl6/geth/blob/master/...#L114-L121 and IRC responder here: github.com/perl6/geth/blob/master/...b.pm6#L123 AlexDaniel` probably already has code for that from the squashable6 bot 12:54
lizmat my proposal would be to *not* handle phasers in hypers/races differently
but set a $*BATCH dynamic variable indicating that it's being run in a batch
perlpilot Or put another way, if I have a .map that calls a function to do work and that function calls `once { }` somewhere down the line, will I accidentally change the semantics of the once block by adding .hyper or .race?
Zoffix lizmat: but would it be per-batch?
lizmat which could have additiional information, like batch number
Zoffix perlpilot: yes 12:55
perlpilot: same as if you have that function do something thread-unsafe
lizmat Zoffix: yes, a FIRST / LAST would be per batch
Zoffix Yeah, sounds like what I was thinking 12:56
lizmat *and* before the very first batch
(FIRST that is)
and after the very last batch (LAST)
those two cases would *not* have $*BATCH set
Zoffix Not that I know much about this part of language :)
lizmat NEXT/REDO/ENTER/LEAVE phasers should work as normal 12:57
lizmat well, that would be my suggestion 12:57
piojo Is rakudo failing to build for everyone, or just me? I'm seeing this error: While looking for 'Perl6/ModuleLoader.moarvm': no such file or directory 12:59
Geth doc: cd197c1fe6 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Whatever.pod6
Delete incorrect doc of Exception of Whatever-star

  `1 ~~ *` will return a WhateverCode instead of return true
Example:
  ```
  > map (1 ~~ *), <1 2 3>
  (True False False)
  ```
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Whatever
perlpilot piojo: probably just you as I built mine just fine mere moments ago.
lizmat piojo: not seeing that
piojo The build target that's failing is blib/Perl6/World.moarvm
Zoffix had no problems last night
piojo I should say it's on Windows
I haven't tested Linux, though I should do that
lizmat ah, k, can't help then
Zoffix had no problems a couple weeks ago
piojo: is that with a fresh checkout? 13:00
e.g. like these steps: github.com/zoffixznet/r#windows
That's how I built it a couple weeks ago
piojo Zoffix: no, it's not. Thanks! I'll try that
perlpilot anyway ... let's just say that I continue to be uncomfortable with the action-at-a-distance for once (and other phasers) 13:01
mienaikage Zoffix: Thanks. I've added a little extra info on GH re: require as well
lizmat perlpilot: what would be your suggestion?
a complete new set of phasers ?
or just no phasers (change the NYI into a real error) 13:02
afk again&
perlpilot I dunno, I'm not awake enough yet :-) Maybe I'd be more comfortable if the documentation for .hyper/.race called these things out explicitly? Right now, the weekly reads like ".hyper/.race makes things faster" (and I think that's how many people will think of them too) but really it's more like ".hyper/.race will make things faster, but beware the semantic differences they impose upon certain phasers and phaser-like constructs" 13:03
Zoffix perlpilot: my impression of watching this work from a distance is people seem to be expecting a magic "make it faster" button that will perform work on all the cores, when in reality there's gonna be a bunch of race conditions people will be struggling with or, like you point out, receiving new semantics for stuff like `once` because they expected the program to know when once has been executed already on one 13:04
of the threads. gfldex already had a bug in their code that cached a Seq twice from a hyper and it took even jnthn some time to figure out what the crash was about. I fully expect more of that stuff to turn up and possibly people eventually realizing .hyper/.race aren't a magical fire-and-forget make-it-faster solution
perlpilot Zoffix: agreed. 13:06
Zoffix m: hyper for ^4 { sleep 1 }; say now - INIT now 13:08
camelia 4.0099630
perlpilot I think it's just we need more words out there (in documentation, blogs, etc.) talking about the intersection of these features and I'm uncomfortable right now because I've been operating from a mindset that didn't consider this intersection.
Zoffix m: hyper for ^4 .hyper { sleep 1 }; say now - INIT now
camelia 4.00964309
Zoffix was expecting 1s in both cases :/
m: ^4 .hyper.map: { sleep 1 }; say now - INIT now 13:09
camelia 4.0106535
Zoffix :/
wander m: say (42 ~~ *) 13:10
camelia { ... }
wander m: say (* ~~ 42)
camelia { ... }
AlexDaniel` Zoffix: isn't it ok? you didn't specify the batch size
wander m: 42.ACCEPTS(*) 13:11
camelia ( no output )
Zoffix AlexDaniel`: oh, duh
wander m: say 42.ACCEPTS(*)
camelia False
AlexDaniel` m: ^4 .hyper(:1batch).map: { sleep 1 }; say now - INIT now
camelia 1.051253
Zoffix m: say (42 ~~ (*))
camelia True
Zoffix wander: your variant made a WhateverCode closure
m: hyper for ^4 .hyper: :batch { sleep 1 }; say now - INIT now 13:12
camelia 1.0510388
Zoffix \o/
Zoffix m: for ^4 .hyper: :batch { sleep 1 }; say now - INIT now 13:12
camelia 4.00893443
wander WhateverCode in `* ~~ 42`, while Whatever in `42.ACCEPTS(*)`, is it?
ilmari m: hyper for ^4 { sleep 1 }; say now - INIT now 13:13
camelia 4.0116992
piojo I can build rakudo against an older moar/nqp, but not against the newest
Zoffix perlpilot: ^ (my last eval) another semantic difference. `for` is no longer just a `map` under the hood; it's `.serial.map` and a `for` without a `hyper` or `race` prefix iterates over HyperSeq and RaceSeq serially
wander: right
piojo never mind, I thought it was working but it wasn't 13:14
Zoffix piojo: can you create an Issue ( github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/ ) with full output of the error, along with Windows version and what type of C compiler/perl you got installed?
piojo Zoffix: I'll do that now 13:15
Zoffix Thanks.
perlpilot Zoffix: yeah, but that's a difference I was expecting, whereas "once" running more than once wasn't :-) 13:16
Zoffix perlpilot: dunno, for me I'd be more surprised with ^4 .hyper(:batch).map: { my $x; once $x = Foo.new; $x.do-things }; crashing, just because the `once` block ran in only one of the batches 13:18
Or something like that. Text::CSV uses this setup
wander m: Whatever.new.Capture 13:21
camelia Cannot unpack or Capture `*`.
To create a Capture, add parentheses: \(...)
If unpacking in a signature, perhaps you needlessly used parentheses? -> ($x) {} vs. -> $x {}
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix wander: that's by design. Is that creating a problem in some code? 13:22
Zoffix m: my atomicint $v = 0; ^4 .race(:batch).map: { once $v⚛++ }; say $v 13:23
camelia 4
Zoffix m: my atomicint $v = 0; ^4 .race(:2batch).map: { once $v⚛++ }; say $v
camelia 2
Zoffix perlpilot: yeah, kinda surprising behaviour. 13:24
wander on my PC, it doesn't throw Exception
This is Rakudo version 2017.07 built on MoarVM version 2017.07 implementing Perl 6.c.
Zoffix wander: it's a new feature. Implemented like 2 weeks ago.
wander got it
Zoffix
.oO( `hyper once` )
 13:27
perlpilot lizmat++ also because I learned something new in the p6weekly. I'm an "episodic volunteer" :-) (Ann Barcomb)++ too 13:28
AlexDaniel` what new feature? atomicint? Isn't it like 2 months ago now?
Zoffix AlexDaniel`: you're mixing up conversation threads :)
piojo Zoffix: I get a different error with --gen-moar --gen-nqp. Should I file a separate bug report for that? 13:29
DrForr Might want to watch the talks from the Open Source Summit in Prague - she's giving a similar talk there.
Zoffix "m: Whatever.new.Capture" " wander: that's by design." "on my PC, it doesn't throw Exception" "it's a new feature"
AlexDaniel` Zoffix: not only that, but I'm also blind /o\ Somehow skipped “doesn't” 13:30
alright, back to release stuff then
Zoffix piojo: I think adding that to the same bug report is fine 13:30
piojo Okay, thanks
perlpilot DrForr: thanks, I'll check it out
DrForr Kind of annoying - the summit is at the Hilton just a few blcoks from here but she's too busy to hang :/ 13:31
*hang out. 13:32
timotimo m: for ^4 { for ^3 { once say "hi" } } 13:33
camelia hi
hi
hi
hi
Zoffix :)
timotimo for your consideration, perlpilot, Zoffix
perlpilot hmm 13:34
Makes me think "once" needs a new name :) 13:36
moritz roughly-once
perlpilot I would guess that falls out of the "once per clone of the containing object" 13:37
DrForr 'just' :)
Zoffix once-in-a-blue-moon 13:38
perlpilot once-upon-a-time 13:39
once-and-future-once
once-more-into-the-breach
once-in-a-while
once-twice-three-times-a-once 13:40
sjn once-twice-often
timotimo once upon a closure in the west
ilmari once-for-the-money
sjn once-for-the-road 13:41
perlpilot once-or-maybe-more is a probably accurate. :)
timotimo first-time?
raschipi change 'once' to 'nonce'
Zoffix 'monce' for 'mostly-once' 13:42
perlpilot once-per-clone -> clonce 13:44
once-per-batch -> bounce (kinda :)
[Coke] to be clear, I am fine with once meaning something slightly different based on hyper, map, just wasn't expecting it at first. 13:46
perlpilot [Coke]: did you expect timotimo's example either? :) 13:47
AlexDaniel` is anybody using a 32-bit system here? 13:51
Zoffix I may have one handy.. why? 13:53
AlexDaniel` Zoffix: I'm wondering if github.com/perl6/nqp/issues/377 is related to that 13:54
this is just a wild guess
pmurias bisect: my $b = {"a" => 1000000000000000000}.BagHash; $b.grab(100); say $b.total;
bisectable6 pmurias, On both starting points (old=2015.12 new=b19e352) the exit code is 0 and the output is identical as well
pmurias, Output on both points: «999999999999999900»
Zoffix AlexDaniel`: well, I got 2017.09-223-gd565ded built on it 13:55
AlexDaniel` Zoffix: that's great but kinda 277 commits behind :) 13:58
Zoffix Statistically irrelevant :) dogbert17 also got a 32-bit system IIRC 14:00
s/irrelevant/insignificant/;
I noticed some edited paths in that Issue's output; I suspect something was messed up with --prefix or whatever 14:02
That or the nqp-lib thing was messed up and there's some conditon where it causes extra args given
(missing quoting on paths with spaces?)
AlexDaniel` could be that yeah
oh, he responded 14:03
Zoffix
.oO( "he"? )
AlexDaniel` they 14:04
Zoffix ZofBot: what's your preferred pronoun?
ZofBot Zoffix, '"Down with Big Brother!" Yes, I said that! Said it over and over again, it seems
Zoffix hah
AlexDaniel` “Cloning into '.'...” 14:05
Altreus Did you forget that bonce is a word?
Zoffix AlexDaniel`: well, I see what it's complaining about: "/tmp/tmp.o2BIF8otPY/install/bin/moar --libpath= [...] gen/moar/stage1/nqpmo.nqp" I guess that line needs to be found in make file and the `gen/moar/stage1/nqpmo.nqp` stuff put before the named args? Wonder what that line is like on working builds.. 14:07
Zoffix AlexDaniel`: Cloning into '.' is the rakudo clone from my command that person ran 14:07
AlexDaniel` ah
Zoffix Altreus: didn't know it was :D 14:08
Grimy ^... and ^...^ are NIY, but aren’t marked as such, and give really confusing error messages instead. 14:08
[Coke] apparently pigsconce is also a word. (pig-sconce) 14:09
AlexDaniel` m: say 1,20^...30 14:10
camelia 120^..0.3
AlexDaniel` well
Zoffix Grimy: I thought they weren't meant to be implemented 14:11
But I guess they could be. The ...^ is already done and ^... can be done with .tail now
Grimy Maybe? They’re listed in S03.
How do I know when an idea in the Synopses has been abandonned? 14:12
Zoffix Ah, OK. Just vaugely recall TimToady talking about these
Grimy Also ...^ is implemented but isn’t listed in docs.perl6.org/routine.html
Zoffix Grimy: no real way. Synopses are historical documents. Roast is the current spec. Some of the design desisions are archived ( e.g. github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...on-Plan.md ) 14:13
AlexDaniel` Grimy: that's a doc issue that should be filed here: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/ 14:13
Grimy: it seems that it's linked but there's no special section for it docs.perl6.org/language/operators#..._operators
[Coke] (spec) there's also a load of those enshrined in NYI tickets in rt that may never be I. 14:14
Zoffix Grimy: looks like ... is in that list, but only the stub op shows up when clicked, not the sequence op 14:15
Zoffix And … ain't in the list 14:15
Grimy Well UTF-8 operators aren’t in the list, right? 14:16
Wait, some of them are.
Grimy Thanks for the links, roast looks interesting. Is there a NYI ticket for prefix:<~^>? It seems simple enough to me and I’m wondering why it’s not there yet. 14:18
Altreus Zoffix: I thought perlpilot should ... maybe not though, perhaps
Zoffix huggable: tag nyi 14:20
huggable Zoffix, nothing found
Zoffix huggable: tag niy
huggable Zoffix, nothing found
Zoffix buggable: tag nyi 14:21
c'mon, robot. I ain't got all day
Grimy: if there is, it'd be one of these here: fail.rakudo.party/t/NYI
buggable New CPAN upload: JSON-Tiny-1.0.tar.gz by MORITZ cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/M/MO/...1.0.tar.gz 14:22
[Coke] Zoffix: what is [MOLD] ?
seems to be on .party only, not on original ticket. 14:23
AlexDaniel` [Coke]: old tickets that were not touched for more than a year or so
Zoffix FWIW, I closed a couple of NYI last week 'cause they were not applicable anymore. So I'd say just 'cause there's an NYI ticket doesn't mean it's accepted that it should be implemented that way or implemented at all.
Grimy: we also have #perl6-dev where more dev eyes would see your questions
[Coke] anything that is NYI or RFC at this point needs some kind of sanity check, yes, zoffix++ 14:24
Grimy Alright, thanks!
[Coke] (even if there's a roast test; some of those tests predate rakudo)
Zoffix [Coke]: tickets that were last updated more than 60*60*24*365*2 seconds ago
Geth ecosystem: 974a161733 | (Moritz Lenz)++ | META.list
JSON::Tiny now lives on CPAN
[Coke] I mean, why not 365.24? :) 14:25
Zoffix :)
piojo Thanks for the help, everyone--I found the problem was basically "git checkout master"--that does nothing, since there is no "master" branch in rakudo ;) 14:29
Zoffix lol
piojo so I had an old commit checked out the whole time, and didn't notice.
Zoffix :)
piojo :D
AlexDaniel` well… maybe we should finally rename it
Grimy Why is the branch named «nom», anyway?
Zoffix Grimy: historical reasons. it started as "New Object Model" and eventually became the "master" 14:30
Grimy Ooh ok
piojo The funny thing is that it was in the first line of my bug report. It feels like I accidentally made a riddle
Zoffix I like "nom" as name, though I admit to on occasion typing "git checkout master" only to be told there ain't no master... 14:31
AlexDaniel` I'm doing that all the time
especially when working with moar or nqp
piojo I'm surprised I didn't notice, but building moar then nqp then rakudo, the process gets a little robotic 14:32
moritz I think we had an agreement that basically all core devs were fine with renaming nom to master
AlexDaniel` OK
moritz just nobody done it so far
AlexDaniel` then will do it after the release
moritz ++AlexDaniel`
piojo good idea
stmuk I think there may have been talk of using nom as a dev branch and master the release (or was it the other way round?) 14:33
Zoffix Yeah, something like that. My pushback against that is people will be more loosy with pushing breaking changes and the commits have to be sequential anyway due to reliance on MoarVM/nqp/roast 14:34
piojo That reminds me, do --gen-moar and --gen-nqp only use the latest release, or are there stable versions in between releases? 14:35
AlexDaniel` I expect it to be consistent across the trio, so if it's “master” for nqp and moar, then let's please have “master” in rakudo
Zoffix So "release" branch would be blocked anyway. The current system where people make scary changes in branches kinda more preferable IMO.
moritz piojo: they use whatever is in tools/build/NQP_REVISION
or MOAR_REVISION in nqp
piojo moritz: Is that bumped more frequently than the montly releases? 14:36
AlexDaniel` piojo: yes
[Coke] only slightly
piojo oh, great
pmurias Zoffix: if I remember correctly master was meant to be the nom commit that passes automated testing
Zoffix pmurias: yeah. So what happens when latest nom commit doesn't pass stuff? 14:37
The devs won't care as much, since bleed users are using master and aren't affected, and the rest of the devs now have a breaking commit in their workflow
[Coke] There's no rush to move it immediately post release; why don't we plan on having it hashed out in time to do so immediately after the next release?
stmuk talking of "release" .. is there going to be one? :) 14:38
moritz kinda agrees with Zoffix
at $work we had some kind of stabilization branch, and it didn't work out too well
Zoffix BTW, that branch proposal is documented here: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...o-branches 14:39
moritz people did stuff there that wasn't tested by the same mechanism as the trunk, and so we had untested releases
and the "oh, people can just use master" mentality also took hold, at least somewhat 14:40
Geth mu: 05001f3b99 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | misc/perl6advent-2017/schedule
Start Advent 2017 Schedule

Call dibs on 1st and 23rd		 14:41
stmuk wouldn't that proposal also have to specify *which* roast branches pass?
moritz oh, it's this time of the year again? :) 14:42
Zoffix New blog post: "Rakudo Perl 6 Advent Calendar 2017 Call for Authors": rakudo.party/post/Rakudo-Perl-6-Ad...or-Authors
moritz Zoffix: do you plan to cover Perl 6 books in your review post, or should I do a separate one for that? 14:45
Zoffix moritz: wasn't planning. If you can do it, it'd be great, as despite owning many preview copies I haven't had time to read much of the available books... 14:46
Geth mu: 2a4cf374b5 | (Moritz Lenz)++ | misc/perl6advent-2017/schedule
Claim Dec 02 to talk about books
 14:47
Zoffix \o/ 14:48
.tell TimToady I called dibs on Advent post for the 1st. If you wanted to post something there instead, just take that spot: github.com/perl6/mu/blob/master/mi...chedule#L3 14:50
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to TimToady.
AlexDaniel` stmuk: yes, when it's ready. We're putting some extra effort into making sure it's really good
Zoffix & 14:51
moritz traditionally, our benevolent dictator has been happy to take the last spot in the Advent series, if any
Zoffix AlexDaniel`: stmuk Gonna take a crack at using `isatty` for the $*IN.getc macos issue in 8hr. If the fix fixes the things and doesn't negatively affect perf of my spectest, I'll merge it and do the bumps and I think that's the last thing blocking the release, no? There's RT#132343 ... looks really big 14:54
synopsebot RT#132343 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=132343 [REGRESSION] better-sched and other async improvement ecosystem fallout
Zoffix & for 8hrs :)
AlexDaniel` Zoffix: yes. I'm looking into RT #132343 right now (but I've decided that most of the stuff in that ticket is a non-issue for the release) 14:55
callyalater How can you use matching adverbs with grammars? 15:06
Like the :exhaustive adverb.
perlpilot Zoffix++ for jump starting the advent calendar this year. 15:07
perlpilot callyalater: I don't think that you can use that particular one inside of a grammar. (I could be wrong though) 15:09
callyalater: as for "how", normally you just put the modifier in the grammar at the beginning of a rule or grouping construct 15:11
callyalater: token foo { :i foo } # match "foo" case insensitively
Geth mu: 82e64bbd8a | (Nigel Hamilton)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | misc/perl6advent-2017/schedule
Update schedule
 15:26
callyalater perlpilot: Dang it. I was hoping that I could pass it in to the parse method... 15:28
Geth doc/master: 5 commits pushed by (Patrick Spek)++, (Rafael Schipiura)++ 15:50
[Coke] gets annoyed at perl6/docs mix of make & perl6 site build again. 16:35
[Coke] suspects with new concurrency stuff, we could shove everything into p6 at this point, and do a better job of enforcing build deps than we do now. 16:36
Geth doc: 42e2bc0603 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | xt/words.pws
Learn new word

Closes #1620		 16:37
Geth doc: a0afc5ce15 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | htmlify.p6
use pod for long form comment;minor cleanups
 16:41
knight__ sssddddddssss 16:55
ops 16:56
Sorry
knight__ Hello, I am newbie. I have question about calling a function/sub.In mython I can do something liek def fun(a,b,c)... and call it fun(10, b=100, c=300) (for example) 16:57
How can I mix positional argument in perl6?
knight__ i want call function for example fun($a, b=>100, c=>300). Of course I can do it with ($a, $:b, $:c), but what if I want something like fun(20, 30, c=>300)? 17:00
timotimo you can have three optional positional parameters and the three nameds 17:00
knight__ How can I do it without definition in signature?
timotimo then depending on how many positionals were actually passed, you fill those into the variables you want 17:01
timotimo m: sub fun($one?, $two?, $three?, :$a, :$b, :$c) { say $one // $a; say $two // $b; say $three // $c }; fun(20, 30, c => 300); fun(10, b => 100, c => 100) 17:02
camelia 20
30
300
10
100
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timotimo m: sub fun($one?, $two?, $three?, :$a, :$b, :$c) { say $one // $a; say $two // $b; say $three // $c }; fun(10, b => 100, c => 300)
camelia 10
100
300
timotimo that was your actual example
it should even work to use defaults in your signature for this purpose
m: sub fun($one = $a, $two = $b, $three = $c, :$a, :$b, :$c) { say $one; say $two; say $three }; fun(10, b => 100, c => 300)
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$a' is not declared
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub fun($one = 7⏏5$a, $two = $b, $three = $c, :$a, :$b, :$
timotimo nope, they have to be available in order 17:03
raschipi [15:02] <timotimo> m: sub fun($one?, $two?, $three?, :$a = $one, :$b = $two, :$c = $three) { say $a; say $b; say $c }; fun(10, b => 100, c => 300) 17:04
m: sub fun($one?, $two?, $three?, :$a = $one, :$b = $two, :$c = $three) { say $a; say $b; say $c }; fun(10, b => 100, c => 300)
camelia 10
100
300
raschipi m: sub fun($one?, $two?, $three?, :$a = $one, :$b = $two, :$c = $three) { say $a; say $b; say $c }; fun(10, 100, c => 300)
camelia 10
100
300
knight__ Thank you 17:05
raschipi defaults work, just need to rmember they are only available to the right of where they were declared.
m: sub fun(:$a, :$b, :$c, $one = $a, $two = $b, $three = $c ) { say $one; say $two; say $three }; fun(10, b => 100, c => 300) 17:07
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot put optional positional parameter $one after variadic parameters
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub fun(:$a, :$b, :$c, $one = $a7⏏5, $two = $b, $three = $c ) { say $one; s
expecting any of:…
Geth doc: 55a077d429 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | htmlify.p6
Fix issue with proc async usage hanging on mac

mac's TMPDIR ends with a /, so we ended up with paths like ...//... ; the external program normalized the filenames to a single slash, so nothing matched.
Remove the command line option that allowed us to force it on the mac; it's now the default.
Fixes #1129		 17:11
synopsebot GH#1129 [closed]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/1129 Fix comment 17:12
bdmatatu In this section, is '.unique' necessary (after .invert)? docs.perl6.org/type/Hash#method_push 18:02
timotimo m: my %wc = 'hash' => 323, 'pair' => 322, 'pipe' => 323; say %wc.invert.unique.perl; 18:03
camelia (322 => "pair", 323 => "pipe", 323 => "hash").Seq
bdmatatu m: my %wc = 'hash' => 323, 'pair' => 322, 'pipe' => 323; say %wc.invert.perl; 18:07
camelia (322 => "pair", 323 => "pipe", 323 => "hash").Seq
timotimo i find that usage of invert rather strange 18:10
er 18:11
the usage of unique i mean
bdmatatu ok, me too. I'll go ahead and remove it. 18:14
Geth doc: b5a907758b | (Brian Duggan)++ | doc/Type/Hash.pod6
Remove extraneous .unique call
 18:17
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Hash
knight__ ok, this works ideone.com/sa8j79 ,but I do not understand why this not ideone.com/UOcLOj Can somebody explain me... 18:40
thanks :-X 18:41
ugexe what is `Str $currency_?` supposed to mean? 18:42
i see 18:43
knight__ I am calling method fun
ugexe because your new method returns the result of say("..."), which is true 18:44
knight__ when 'new' method is not overrided It is works, but when I override it, fun method does not work
Ahm
knight__ I understand 18:44
ugexe if you use .new you need to bless attributes
knight__ thank you!
I must check, what method/sub bless does :-) 18:45
knight__ ugexe: Thank you! Now, understands what is going - I guess. So bless returns my class/objects 18:56
And I have pointer to my object and I can call method/function
I guess? 18:57
TLDR; Is something life self reference?
knight__ *like 18:59
AlexDaniel` knight__: like “self” ? 19:04
docs.perl6.org/language/terms#term_self 19:05
knight__ I mean it returns pointer = like pointer to self object 19:07
method bless
tyil anyone using vim willing te try out github.com/Tyil/vim-perl6/blob/add...l6.vim#L83 19:17
AlexDaniel` tyil: is there any way to have **32 converted to ³²? 19:22
tyil not that I know, unless I add abbrev for **32
AlexDaniel` aww 19:23
tyil: π τ and 𝑒 seem to be missing 19:24
tyil good ones
I was considering to add an (atom) to turn into the atom icon for use with atomicints 19:25
AlexDaniel` yeah, although “atomic” is probably more expectable
tyil what are the ascii ways to represent the 2nd and 3rd char you gave" 19:26
?*
AlexDaniel` pi tau e
m: say (pi, tau, e)
camelia (3.14159265358979 6.28318530717959 2.71828182845905)
AlexDaniel` m: say (π, τ, 𝑒)
camelia (3.14159265358979 6.28318530717959 2.71828182845905)
tyil cool
AlexDaniel` tyil: maybe consider adding unicode minus 19:27
or maybe not 19:28
tyil www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/ch.../index.htm this one? 19:28
AlexDaniel` tyil: wait, you know about this page, right? docs.perl6.org/language/unicode_ascii
tyil (i actually stole this list from the atom plugin) 19:29
AlexDaniel` because I realize that some things are missing
like ∘ 19:30
tyil: is it possible to make ‘ "’ (space, double quote) convert to ‘ “’ and just " convert to ” ?
tyil you cant match spaces for iabbrev afaik, since spaces indicate the end of an abbreviation 19:31
tyil about that page, on the atomic ops 19:35
the last entry in the table isnt part of the table
AlexDaniel` the table seems to be broken yeah
tyil I can try to fix it after I add the ops to this list and push it 19:36
AlexDaniel` tyil++
tyil is there a atomic-dec-fetch missing from the table? 19:37
knight__ m: say (π**π) 19:42
camelia 36.4621596072079
tyil oh, its not particularly missing
TreyHarris AlexDaniel`: just noticed the term doc you just linked to has a definition for Rat terms that includes numbers with a dot, but not for <1/3> forms. So what's happening there? 19:43
m: say (<3>.WHAT, <1/3>.WHAT, <3/1>.WHAT, <3.2>.WHAT) 19:44
camelia ((IntStr) (Rat) (Rat) (RatStr))
TreyHarris (I'm asking, how does the constructor get dispatched?) 19:45
AlexDaniel` TreyHarris: it's not really dispatched, it's parsed like this directly 19:47
AlexDaniel` TreyHarris: for example: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/....nqp#L3637 19:47
TreyHarris AlexDaniel`: ah, that makes sense. Then it doesn't really have a proper place in the docs except in Rat's own, does it? Unfortunate, as it surfaces as a higher-level feature. 19:49
m: my $x = 1 / 3; say $x.WHAT, $x.nude
camelia (Rat)(1 3)
AlexDaniel` it's a little bit different for things like < 1/3 > 19:50
when you get RatStr
TreyHarris my $x = <1 /3); say $x.WHAT, $x.nude;
m: my $x = <1 /3); say $x.WHAT, $x.nude;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in quote words; couldn't find final '>' (corresponding starter was at line 1)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $x = <1 /3); say $x.WHAT, $x.nude;7⏏5<EOL>
expecting any o…
AlexDaniel` m:
evalable6
TreyHarris m: my $x = <1 /3>; say $x.WHAT, $x.nude; 19:51
camelia No such method 'nude' for invocant of type 'List'. Did you mean any of these?
none
note

in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
AlexDaniel` m: my $x = < 1/3 >; say $x.WHAT, $x.nude; 19:51
TreyHarris m: my $x = <1/3>; say $x.WHAT, $x.nude;
camelia (RatStr)(1 3)
(Rat)(1 3)
TreyHarris gah
AlexDaniel` :D
TreyHarris that's too weird
TreyHarris m: my ($x, $y) = <1/3>, < 1/3 >; say $x == $y; say $x === $y; 19:53
camelia True
False
TreyHarris m: my ($x, $y) = <1/3>, < 1/3 >; say "$x and $y"
camelia 0.333333 and 1/3
TreyHarris ooooh, my brain hurts now
< n/d > form is clearly better than <n/d> for most uses where you'd use a literal, but it's not obvious unless you generally put spaces inside bracketing constructs (which in my experience most don't if the contents are very simple like 1/3) 19:54
geekosaur it's known we need a better/mrore obvious syntactic construct there, but coming up with one that isn't excessively verbose is difficult :( 20:04
AlexDaniel` well 20:05
m: say ⅓
camelia 0.333333
AlexDaniel` doesn't give a RatStr, but maybe it should?
[Coke] m: say ⅓.^name; 20:13
camelia Rat
[Coke] It's a numerical literal, Rat seems fine. 20:13
*numeric
moritz m: say <⅓>.^name 20:14
camelia Str
[Coke] m: say <⅓/3>.^name
camelia Str
TreyHarris m: say ³/₁₆ 20:24
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Bogus postfix
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say ³/₁7⏏5₆
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
postfix
statement end
statement modifier
…
TreyHarris heh
so it only knows vulgar fractions 20:25
er, vulgar fraction ligatures
[Coke] is anyone using --parallel on the doc build? seems like it's very likely to conflict with the highlighter. 20:41
gfldex [Coke]: precomp is not threadsafe either 20:43
and that's used for caching
TreyHarris from #perl6 logs, it looks like moritz and timeless were looking at this back in June, but didn't get anywhere. I don't see anything since then. 20:46
timeless looks up
TreyHarris (the doc htmlifying parallelization, I mean)
timeless m: say ³/(₁₆) 20:47
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Bogus postfix
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say ³/(₁7⏏5₆)
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
statement modifier
statement mo…
timeless [Coke]: anyway, TreyHarris is right, that sounds familiar 20:48
and i don't think i got very far w/ it. I suspect I still have access to the vm that hosts it
but it definitely isn't something i'm spending time on
(tomorrow's adventures are fighting ldap and jenkins)
[Coke] TreyHarris: ok. tempted to rip it out, but will try to fix it instead.
TreyHarris timeless: yeah, you mentioned trying to run it on 100 cores 20:49
timeless yep, that's gcc112, the box i still use :)
TreyHarris but Moore's law is still in effect, right? So between June and now ew've had a 100x speedup anyway. Just on chips that have had since June to evolve though, so if you rebooted a lot in the meantime you may not have as much speedup. ;-) 20:50
TreyHarris thinks this is how that works 20:51
timeless chuckles
actually there was a recent argument about moore's law
some pointed out that mostly we're getting more of a coore's law -- we can double computing power by doubling die count or something 20:52
TreyHarris "recent" meaning every year since it was proposed? yes.
timeless no
an argument about whether we're still properly shrinking, or whether we're just gaining by adding cores
i think intel came back and showed they could still gain by shrinking
timeless > gcc112 2TB 2x10x8x3.42 GHz IBM POWER8 / 256 GB RAM / IBM POWER System S822 / CentOS 7 ppc64le 20:53
-- it's actually 160 cores, but to be polite, I try to avoid using more than 100 :-) 20:54
[Coke] (docs) anyone mind if I remove the highlight path that doesn't use proc::async? i seem to recall we only needed it for the mac.
timeless back then, when I wasn't on gcc112, i was probably on a mac ;-)
timeless (these days i have a w10 laptop at home, and an mbp at work) 20:55
timeless anyway, i'm off, happy iterating 20:55
TreyHarris sorry, was kidding again. No, in all seriousness, I think Moore's Law "informal" form, about the speed of a general-purpose consumer CPU to carry out however many ops/sec, has already died. but we are still cramming transistor density at predicted rates right now--we won't hit fundamental issues with unknown physics for at least a few more years, I think. 20:56
s/however many/however many serial/ # important distinction 20:57
tyil AlexDaniel`: I've looked at the broken table on the atomic ops, but in the source it looks correct 22:39
callyalater m: sub infix:['<<'] (Str $s, Int $n) { say "$s, $n" }; "Name" << 42; 22:42
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of << to do left shift; in Perl 6 please use +< or ~<
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 $s, Int $n) { say "$s, $n" }; "Name" <<7⏏5 42;
callyalater m: sub infix:['<<'] (Str $s, Str $n) { say "$s, $n" }; "Name" << "42";
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of << to do left shift; in Perl 6 please use +< or ~<
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 $s, Str $n) { say "$s, $n" }; "Name" <<7⏏5 "42";
callyalater m: sub infix:['<>'] (Str $s, Int $n) { say "$s, $n" }; "Name" <> 42; 22:43
camelia Name, 42
callyalater m: sub infix:['!~'] (Str $s, Int $n) { say "$s, $n" }; "Name" !~ 42;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of !~ to do negated pattern matching; in Perl 6 please use !~~
at <tmp>:1
------> 3$s, Int $n) { say "$s, $n" }; "Name" !~ 7⏏0542;
geekosaur gah 22:48
Herby_ o/ 23:37
APic \o 23:38
raiph .tell moritz comment for you at stackoverflow.com/questions/468978...1_46920109 thanks 23:44
yoleaux raiph: I'll pass your message to moritz.

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