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Geth doc: b6cd77bae8 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Array.pod6
Document .splice can take $elems larger than available
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f_ hello. im looking for materials and code using NN and ML in Perl. Anyone know something what should be useful? 00:21
i need it for school project to predicting petrol price 00:22
input are financial values 00:23
AlexDaniel .seen DrForr 00:29
yoleaux I saw DrForr 13 Apr 2018 14:25Z in #perl6: <DrForr> My head isn't in that space right now otherwise I'd look for possible examples...
AlexDaniel f_: maybe ask DrForr? It seems like he did this presentation not a long ago: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI9DmIbNXrM 00:32
f_ nice thanks 00:34
its about tensor... i dunno it will be to advanced for begineer 00:36
i havent any idea about it
only basics about neurons and these all schema how it work
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wolfshield hi, i'm trying and failing to get DBIish working in the official latest rakudo star docker 00:45
keep getting DBIish: DBDish::mysql needs 'mysqlclient', not found 00:46
have tried advice from googling, installing default-libmysqlclient-dev, without success 00:48
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MasterDuke wolfshield: what os? i think i saw some issue recently with libmysql vs libmariadb 00:54
wolfshield it is debian 9 00:55
MasterDuke have you seen github.com/perl6/DBIish/issues/99 ? 00:56
wolfshield yes, but apt-get install libmysqlclient20 did't find anything, and installing the mariadb-compat didn't help 00:59
i think i just found the ticket -- creating the right symlink in debian 9, as per stackoverflow.com/questions/501751...cker-image 01:00
MasterDuke good. i don't use DBIish myself, so you'd reached the end of any help i could give
wolfshield do you talk to dbs with perl6? 01:01
MasterDuke nope. my perl6 is all for fun, and that hasn't involved dbs yet 01:02
wolfshield gotcha, thanks.
MasterDuke (i do enjoy dbs, and used to use DBI in perl5 for $work years ago, just hasn't come up in perl6 yet) 01:03
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Jay__ Who am I supposed to be chatting with? 05:17
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TimToady
.oO("Not I, said the pig.")
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donpdonp Not I, said the caterpillar. 05:42
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jmerelo Another study of the repo: issue age, closed or not, including boxplot github.com/JJ/TPF-Grant/blob/maste...sorted.png 07:34
no-label issues are closed fastest, on median on 1/10th of a day. Next go "build", which take 10 days. "Wishlist" are rarely closed, and they are on average 500 days 07:37
Data, perl 6 script to extract it, R script to plot it, and everything are in the repository. 07:39
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Geth doc: JJ self-assigned Docs homepage needs banner linked to perl6.org github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1954
bf32becfb3 | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files

This is less than issue #1954 requested, a banner, but we have the banner linked to the documentation homepage already and this would imply a major redesign, which is not right now in the plans (AFAIK). Closes #1954		 08:39
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pmurias random though about infix:div, why does it round down not towards 0? 09:10
jmerelo pmurias: I guess div does not round, it returns the integer part of the result 09:22
p6: say -4 div 3
camelia -2
jmerelo pmurias: Hum. That's an error. 09:23
p6: say 4 div 3
camelia 1
jmerelo Although it behaves according to spec: localhost:3000/routine/div
Sorry, that would be docs.per6.org instead... 09:24
Python behaves in the same way... 09:25
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jmerelo And ruby... 09:28
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jmerelo p6: say -(4 div 3) 09:32
camelia -1
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jmerelo pmurias: asked in StackOverflow stackoverflow.com/questions/504334...round-down 09:39
pmurias I'm mostly asking about this because it rounds to zero in JavaScripts new BigInt implementation and I have to explicitly implement the round down 09:44
version
jmerelo pmurias: so not every language behaves that way.
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pmurias and % round towards 0, this is to match well-established computer conventions 10:12
a quote from the JavaScript BigInt proposal
Guido has wrote a blog post why Python rounds down
jmerelo pmurias: python-history.blogspot.com.es/2010...loors.html 10:19
pmurias: it has some vague references to Python arithmetic
pmurias: but the argument he uses about dates before 1970 is patently false. You divide a negative epoch by number of seconds, you'll round the number of days up, not down. 10:20
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Geth doc: d5d51fe6ac | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Mu.pod6
Clarifies relationship between does and isa and ~~

This closes #1556. Actually erases the equivalence between isa and ~~, because it's simply not true.		 10:21
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Mu
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Geth doc: 8a6e2df28a | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/pod.pod6
add example of a multi-line comment
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f_ any one interesing in writing trading bot with machine learning strategy and TA indicator for cryptocurency exchnge? 13:18
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moritz you need to add "big data" to be fully buzzword compliant :-) 13:25
tadzik and "secured by blockchain" :P 13:29
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moritz that's implied by cryptocurency, no? 13:30
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tadzik hm, I guess 13:32
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moritz I guess you could have a centralized crypto currency without a blockchain 13:33
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hahainternet at that point you just have SSL certificates 13:41
and some number assigned to it
El_Che have perl6 emulate a quantum computer 13:48
that should speed the mining (and breaking) up
MasterDuke but first you need to write the perl6 compiler in rust, it'll be safer and faster 13:50
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pmurias MasterDuke: MoarVM could have been theoretically written in Rust 14:03
MasterDuke: not encouraging that as it's a ton of effort with little promise of any super awesome results 14:04
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El_Che pmurias: promise of safety 14:06
rust looks more like a C++ competitor than a C one
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MasterDuke i don't have any particular interest in using rust, and there are lots of jokes to be made about the rust evangelism squad, but it does seem like a pretty decent language for what it's targeting 14:13
pmurias El_Che: what I mean MoarVM-in-rust would be basically more with different tradeoffs for development, when there are other Perl 6 backends I (and others) could spend time on 14:15
El_Che: the js backends will be able to put Perl 6 in some new interesting places, a GraalVM potentially overs very likely super good performance and easy interop with JVM-stuff and other dynamic languages 14:17
El_Che yes 14:18
rust made sense as in replacing the C backend, not in addition
MasterDuke pmurias: speaking of GraalVM, do you have any particular plans for it?
El_Che things like JS provides advantages as it's an other platform 14:19
f_ data from blockchain is unusable ;p 14:20
pmurias MasterDuke: I have a branch in nqp that can run 'nqp::say("Hello World")' on it 14:21
MasterDuke: github.com/perl6/nqp/tree/truffle 14:22
MasterDuke: I plan to explore it some more, and see if/how I can get people exited enough to help 14:23
MasterDuke: not sure how I'll split efforts towards it and the js one (but working on it when I'm stuck on the js one instead of just getting discouraged towards everythings seems like one strategy) 14:24
MasterDuke pmurias: cool. are there any clean next steps? 14:28
pmurias MasterDuke: getting sub calls working is the next big step, a low hanging one would be adding the simple ops, like: nqp::print, nqp::add_i etc. 14:33
MasterDuke: the most important step would be figuring a strategy how to have the effort be easy/fun to get involved with 14:34
MasterDuke i kind of hate to say this because documentation usually isn't that fun, but is anything written up about how to start contributing? e.g., software/environment prerequisites 14:36
pmurias MasterDuke: not yet, but I feel too that's what's I should start working on 14:39
will start writing something up 14:41
MasterDuke pmurias++ 14:42
masak I have a favor to ask #perl6 14:44
could someone make a quine in 007?
I'd prefer a minimal one, but I'll take any, really. it oughtn't be empty -- I can make that one myself
it's not a contest, but whoever does this stands to be immortalized in the examples/ directory 14:45
oh, and I'm also explicitly not asking for it to print itself out using any Qtree trickery; just a regular qune
quine* 14:46
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pmurias github.com/perl6/nqp/issues/445 # First lowest hanging of fruits truffle issue 14:56
MasterDuke: I have to get afk to visit grandparents
MasterDuke pmurias++ 14:57
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masak I couldn't resist making a quine myself: gist.github.com/masak/f626003cffa6...ee98c36fb4 :) 15:05
but I'll happily take suggestions on how to improve it. I basically just ported the Java version that was on the Wikipedia page.
the main difficulty was avoiding the " character anywhere except for quoting the nested program 15:06
I'll give it a day or so, then I'll add this one to the 007 repository 15:07
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AlexDaniel masak: is it possible to do something like 15:39
m: BEGIN {use nqp;put nqp::getlexdyn(‘$/’)}
camelia BEGIN {use nqp;put nqp::getlexdyn(‘$/’)}
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m: sub foo (|c) { c.perl.say }; foo(1,2,3;4, :d :e, :f) # what's that *supposed* to do? 16:26
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Geth doc: efa99e6413 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/pod.pod6
Revised multi-line comment example

Already done by @tbrowder in 8a6e2df28a4bba1a0b.
This would close #2035 if it's OK with everyone.		 17:00
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tbrowder_ jmerelo: i think the pod declarator block needs a multi-line example in file pod.pod6. i will add one in a while after i test the example uness someone beats me to it. 17:10
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tbrowder_ jmerelo: i don’t think your last commit closes #2035 17:13
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tbrowder_ actually, i don’t see where “#” followed by a back-tic is documented as a legal declarator block, but i need to check S26, roast, and the grammar. 17:19
jmerelo tbrowder_: you are probably right. But I seem to remember there's some issue with the backtick, maybe not specced. 17:21
tbrowder_: besides that, what else would be missing? 17:22
tbrowder_ i’ll fiddle with that problem...
jmerelo tbrowder_: there's something here github.com/perl6/doc/blob/c4422658...yntax.pod6 17:23
tbrowder_ i don’t know of anything else, but i’ll dig a bit deeper, first into Damian’s mind, i.e., S26 17:24
jmerelo tbrowder_: Damian's mind... there be dragons...
tbrowder_ yepper!
jmerelo tbrowder_: I'll add references to the embedded comments. They are all over the place, but where they belong. I'll reopen the issue
tbrowder_ cool 17:25
so far, in roast, i’ve only found “#|” and “#=“ (but no grep yet) 17:32
jmerelo tbrowder_: it's used all over the place in the docs: git grep '#`' 17:33
tbrowder_ yep, but is it correct...checking S26 now... 17:34
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tbrowder_ i see NO reference in S26 to any valid declarator block start other than “#|” (leading) and “#=“ (trailing). in fact, “#=“ may be speccd wrong since S26 says it refers to the line immediately before it. 17:39
(i.e., no blank line) 17:40
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jmerelo tbrowder_: I am not sure those are proper pods. Running perl6 --doc over them produces nothing. 17:40
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tbrowder_ that’s my guess, and that checks with S26, i still need to look at grammar... 17:41
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tbrowder_ oops, which pods are you talking about? roast or docs? 17:42
jmerelo tbrowder_: #` blocks. 17:44
tbrowder_ i see “# backtick” in grammar, but i don’t know how it got there...i would remove it if it were up to me 17:47
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jmerelo tbrowder_: Probably there's no difference between comments and pod blocks. Only there are some blocks that produce output when run through --doc, some don't 17:48
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tbrowder_ the grammar is confusing to me, so i need to defer to experts. if valid, need a good example and roast tests... 17:49
Geth doc: b996242d6a | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/pod.pod6
Adds some documentation on backtick blocks.

Goes towards #2035, please @tbrowder revise and add stuff or close issue when you consider it worthy.		 17:50
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/pod
lucasb what? #`(...) is an embedded comment, right? not a POD thing
jmerelo tbrowder_: there goes the documentation.
lucasb: POD are just fancy comments.
tbrowder_ lucasb: does embedded mean something like Z<>? 17:52
jmerelo lucasb: anyway,#`[] is now commented in syntax and in pod. This one is a bit better. You want to move it around, feel free.
lucasb tbrowder_: it means something like standard C comment: CODE /*...*/ CODE
tbrowder_ thnx
lucasb say #`(hi) 42
evalable6 42
tbrowder_ ah! 17:53
jmerelo tbrowder_: that was the issue I linked from your issue, which was closed with this text docs.perl6.org/language/syntax#Mul...d_comments 17:55
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tbrowder_ now i see...so we still need an example of the multi-line pod declarator block, correct? 17:57
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tbrowder_ and maybe some words per lucasb on the diff between embedded comment and pod declarator block 17:59
jmerelo tbrowder_: using #|, you mean?
tbrowder_ yes, that and “#=“ 18:00
note that “Z<>” is the embedded comment INSIDE 18:03
inside pod while “#backtick” is an embedded comment inside code—both should result in a zero space during p6 parsing 18:04
Geth doc: c6159f8697 | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files
Adds example of (unintended) numification of lists

Which would probably close #1664.
jmerelo tbrowder_: that would be the embedded metacomment... 18:05
tbrowder_ roger
jmerelo tbrowder_: OK, I'll move what I have inserted back to syntax and provide something that I hope is OK for everyone. 18:07
AlexDaniel jmerelo: “What?” – hehe, that's very non-academic :)
Geth doc: JJ self-assigned pod.pod6 needs an example of a multi-line pod declarator block github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2035
be25007bb0 | (JJ Merelo)++ | 3 files

This would close #2035
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jmerelo AlexDaniel: I'm a very non-academic academician, I guess... 18:07
AlexDaniel: at least it's not WTF???? 18:08
tbrowder_ thanks, jmerelo, i’m not very energetic today so i appreciate you
jmerelo tbrowder_: no problem, my pleasure (and I guess my grant too :-) ). Feel free to ping me whenever you need something. 18:09
tbrowder_ i think you’ve earned your grant!
AlexDaniel jmerelo: by the way, what's the right link to your May report? 18:10
or whatever month that was…
there was a blog post on blogs.perl6.org I think but the link was broken 18:12
ah, April that was
news.perlfoundation.org/2018/05/gra...rl-6-.html
jmerelo AlexDaniel: right, it's linked to StackOverflow :-) That might explain a lot... 18:13
AlexDaniel: it's right here jj.github.io/TPF-Grant/ 18:14
The rest of the stuff I'm doing can be found more directly in the repo
tbrowder_: thanks, I really appreciate that.
AlexDaniel: direct link to April report: jj.github.io/TPF-Grant/April.html
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AlexDaniel jmerelo: I'd say main contributions are not very documented in that report 18:17
tbrowder_ AlexDaniel: do i remember correctly that we can move bugs from rt.perl to github issues, at least in some cases?
AlexDaniel graphs are cool but even “Other contributions” section is more valuable for me as a reader 18:18
tbrowder_: usually that happens when a duplicate is created on github (we then close RT ticket and leave GH ticket open)
tbrowder_: if you want to move some specific ticket, feel free to
but generally, yes, github is the main tracker now 18:19
but we're not forcefully moving any tickets
tbrowder_ ok, i’m thinking of moving some major pod issues (major to me, at least) from rt to github. 18:20
AlexDaniel if that would make life easier to you, feel free to do it 18:21
tbrowder_ thnx
jmerelo AlexDaniel: should I move it upwards maybe? 18:22
AlexDaniel jmerelo: I was thinkig about a section like “most notable documentation tickets resolved”
or something like that
jmerelo AlexDaniel: Can you please issue that on the repo? I'll do my best. Also for next month (which is not so far away) 18:23
AlexDaniel jmerelo: which repo? doc repo?
ah
found the repo
jmerelo AlexDaniel: right, the Grant repo. 18:24
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jmerelo notable6: "We need your help with the Perl 6 documentation" dev.to/jj/we-need-your-help-with-t...ation-1e82 19:45
notable6 jmerelo, I cannot recognize this command. See wiki for some examples: github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki/Notable
jmerelo notable6: weekly "We need your help with the Perl 6 documentation" dev.to/jj/we-need-your-help-with-t...ation-1e82
notable6 jmerelo, Noted!
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Geth doc: ronaldxs++ created pull request #2036:
grammar_totorial.pm6 clarification of extending grammars with roles		 19:52
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torbjorn I'm struggling with a Grammar. I'm parsing the output of the command 'pactl list', whose head is pasted here: paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/y4QV...~RTT29U~kw 19:54
This is what I have: paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/n5xc...NzuWvVabNA 19:55
problem is it doesn't match the lines where the <key>: <value> parameter doesn't have a value 19:56
I mean't for the multiline-record token to capture that, with its variable <multiline-value> quantifier 19:57
oh wait it does work im just not able to grok what the tracer outputs. nothing to see here. 20:00
AlexDaniel .tell jmerelo “better ways so say something” *to* say something? ;) 20:01
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to jmerelo.
AlexDaniel torbjorn: rubber duck debugging? :) 20:02
🦆
El_Che .tell jmerelo You shoud s/Perl Documentation/Perl 6 Documenation/ in the dev.to article if you don't have to start a civil war 20:05
yoleaux El_Che: I'll pass your message to jmerelo.
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torbjorn AlexDaniel: always works 20:09
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MasterDuke torbjorn: fwiw, if you aren't already aware, the tracer sometimes causes problems with code that would work when run normally (assuming you're talking about Grammar::Tracer) 20:15
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masak AlexDaniel: [re nqp::getlexdyn(‘$/’)] not possible at present, no. and I'm not really looking for clever shortcuts like that, either :) 21:07
AlexDaniel :)
masak AlexDaniel: but you did make me think of what should be the standard 007 way to ask "what's the program text of the current compunit?"
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Kaiepi o/ 21:25
masak \o 21:28
Kaiepi can anyone think of some weird examples where == would return true for operands of different types? 21:37
so far i have {a => 1} == 1 21:38
timotimo m: say <a b c>> == 3 21:39
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Preceding context expects a term, but found infix == instead.
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say <a b c>> ==7⏏5 3
timotimo m: say <a b c> == 3
camelia True
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Kaiepi thanks 21:47
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Kaiepi agh i keep forgetting to use u00a0 instead of a space when typing out perl 6 21:58
AlexDaniel m: say "5" == 5 22:01
camelia True
AlexDaniel m: say 5.0 == 5e0
camelia True
AlexDaniel all these are weird in some way :) 22:02
timotimo m: sub infix:<==>($a, $b) { return "lol" }; say 4 == 5
camelia lol
AlexDaniel m: say 2 == SIGINT 22:03
camelia True
AlexDaniel m: quietly say 0 == Nil
camelia True
AlexDaniel m: say 3 == 5..7 22:05
camelia True
benjikun AlexDaniel: why does the last one work? 22:06
AlexDaniel m: say 4 == Thread.start({ say ‘heh’; sleep ∞ })
benjikun because it's 3 items in the array?
camelia (timeout)True
AlexDaniel benjikun: yes, 3 items in the range
benjikun I see
AlexDaniel it's not exactly an array though, a Range object is just two endpoints 22:07
m: say +(1..99999999999999999999999)
camelia 99999999999999999999999
benjikun weird
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AlexDaniel ↑ here there's no need to reify all these elements, we can know the amount of them anyway 22:07
Kaiepi: IMO Thread is the weirdest one :) 22:08
benjikun what does `Thread.start()` return
why does it succeed
AlexDaniel it returns the thread id
ok, well, not exactly 22:09
it returns a Thread object
but .Numeric method on that returns its id
m: say Thread.start({ say ‘heh’; sleep 1 })
camelia heh
Thread #4
AlexDaniel m: say Thread.start({ say ‘heh’; sleep 1 }).Numeric
camelia 4
heh
benjikun so sleeping indefinitely forces it to be thread #1s omehow?
AlexDaniel m: say Thread.start({ say ‘heh’ }).Numeric
camelia 4
heh
AlexDaniel you don't need to sleep :) 22:10
I guess 3 (or 4?) threads are used internally for something else 22:11
so the new one ends up being 4th
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benjikun I see 22:11
We should update the readme for LWP::Simple and recommend using HTTP::UserAgent instead 22:15
AlexDaniel benjikun: go for it. What's your github handle? 22:19
benjikun It's `ijneb` 22:20
Benji backwards
AlexDaniel timotimo: can you invite github.com/ijneb to github.com/orgs/perl6/people ? 22:21
timotimo invite sent, but i noticed just after clicking "send" that the checkbox for the right group didn't stay checked for some reason 22:23
benjikun Ty :), I joined
timotimo ok, you're in the "perl6" team now, too 22:24
Geth perl6-lwp-simple: 50fe33dc19 | benji++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md
HTTP::UserAgent recommendation

for newer users
Kaiepi AlexDaniel, what do you mean?
AlexDaniel m: say 4 == Thread.start({ say ‘heh’ })
camelia True
heh
Kaiepi i'm writing a node.js nutshell guide, i want to keep the examples simple since i'm only at the operators section
AlexDaniel Kaiepi: ↑
oh yeah, definitely don't put that as an example :) 22:25
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Kaiepi this is what i have so far hastebin.com/axucifogem.rb 22:26
there's a lot to talk about when it comes to the equality operators
especially ~~ 22:27
timotimo calling ~~ an equality operator is a bit of a stretch, IMO
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Kaiepi i know, i'm not sure how to categorize it though 22:28
AlexDaniel
.oO( ~~lity )
Kaiepi .oO? 22:29
AlexDaniel it's like 💬 22:30
Kaiepi that shows up as a square for me
AlexDaniel or 🗩
Kaiepi i need to change the font on hexchat
AlexDaniel does it render here? irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2018-05-20#i_16187244
Kaiepi nope 22:31
i have x set up to use inconsolata and noto emoji
er
urxv
s/$/t
AlexDaniel actually, this one is more accurate: 💭
u: 💭
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, U+1F4AD THOUGHT BALLOON [So] (💭)
Kaiepi that renders
AlexDaniel \o/ 22:32
other ones are actually incorrect
u: 🗩💬
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, U+1F5E9 RIGHT SPEECH BUBBLE [So] (🗩)
AlexDaniel, U+1F4AC SPEECH BALLOON [So] (💬)
AlexDaniel
.oO() is thoughts, not speech
Kaiepi maybe i could put operator overloading under the same section i put 💭
since there's no equivalent in node.js unless you fuck around with makefiles or use a custom version of node
anyone know any monospace fonts with good unicode support? 22:34
i don't like the noto monospace one
s
oh weird it shows up in vim but not hexchat 22:35
TEttinger how much unicode?
Kaiepi as much as possible
TEttinger Inconsolata is nice, it handles all of Latin/Greek/Cyrillic in some variants (not the normal version) 22:36
AlexDaniel what about emoji?
AlexDaniel is asking important questions 22:37
TEttinger I like Iosevka, which also handles LGC and some unusual parts of unicode but I don't think it covers the vietnamese accented vowels or any non-European scripts
Kaiepi yeah, it's one of my favouri🤔
nah emoji doesn't show up
nor in vim
or in urxvt
most unicode codepoints do display though 22:38
TEttinger also, github.com/be5invis/Sarasa-Gothic
this one's huge
Kaiepi i have my locale set up for en_us.UTF-8 in my .profile
so most show up
TEttinger 73.9 MB TTF in a .7z archive 22:39
Kaiepi nice 22:40
why do people keep using node as if it were python or perl?
after having to write ipc in node i never want to use that for general scripting again
there's no equivalent to .lines like in perl 6, you have to buffer messages sent yourself 22:42
go and perl make it really easy
benjikun I don't like javascript-only developers really
Kaiepi i used to be one
TEttinger well I don't think there's a TTF generating lib i python or perl 22:43
*in
that's probably why they use it...
Kaiepi can't install sarasa-gothic, missing some dependencies but they're not available on openbsd
TEttinger releases
benjikun building a lot of stuff for openbsd is a pain 22:44
Kaiepi oh perfect
yeah, especially with node-gyp
benjikun are you on a laptop?
Kaiepi i have to do CC=egcc CXX=eg++ CPP=ecpp npm install every time i need to install something that uses node-gyp because it keeps trying to use the ancient default version of gcc
yeah 22:45
benjikun what laptop
Kaiepi t470p
benjikun ah
I want a newer laptop soon
Kaiepi thinkpads are pretty great
i don't like how the newer releases make it such a pain in the ass to replace the keyboard though 22:46
i broke the right arrow key replacing it
benjikun I don't much like the newer thinkpads
but I love the old models
Kaiepi i don't mind the newer ones
except for that prtsc placement
what were they thinking? 22:47
timotimo oh god yes
my cat loves stepping on that exact spot; at least in xfce that causes a hundred thousand screenshot tool windows to show up
Kaiepi thankfully i have it mapped to nothing
scrot -d 5 is good enough for me 22:48
benjikun lol 22:51
my cat(s) like laying on my entire keyboard
Kaiepi what do you call operators like +, -, /, div, %, %%, etc.? 22:52
benjikun numeric? 22:53
when they're inbetween two terms, they're infixed 22:54
Kaiepi: is that not what you were looking for :P 22:57
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Kaiepi it's not? 22:59
Summertime binary operators?
El_Che Kaiepi: pick something from here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_(mathematics) 23:02
jnthn The Perl 6 terms for operators are prefix (like ~$x), infix (like $x ~ $y), and postfix (like $x++)
benjikun arithmetic/numeric, binary, infix (sometimes)
not sure what else
jnthn In terms of syntactic position, at least.
MasterDuke is circumfix considered separate? 23:05
Summertime maybe the question is literal? "plus, minus, slash, div, mod, divisible" :p
El_Che Summertime: maybe the question was rethorical and we need to shut up :P 23:06
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jnthn MasterDuke: Circumfixes are kinds of term rather than operator 23:07
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jnthn A postcircumfix is a case of postfix 23:07
MasterDuke huh, didn't know they were terms 23:08
Kaiepi when is the =:= useful? doesn't === also work? 23:09
m: my %a = {}; my %b = %a; %a === %b
camelia Potential difficulties:
Useless use of hash composer on right side of hash assignment; did you mean := instead?
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my %a = {}7⏏5; my %b = %a; %a === %b
WARNINGS for <tmp>:
Useless use of "===" in expression…
Kaiepi m: my %a = {}; my \b = %a; %a === b 23:10
camelia Potential difficulties:
Useless use of hash composer on right side of hash assignment; did you mean := instead?
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my %a = {}7⏏5; my \b = %a; %a === b
WARNINGS for <tmp>:
Useless use of "===" in expression …
Kaiepi m: my %a; my \b = %a; %a === b
camelia WARNINGS for <tmp>:
Useless use of "===" in expression "%a === b" in sink context (line 1)
Kaiepi m: my %a; my \b = %a; say %a === b
camelia True
Kaiepi m: my %a; my \b := %a; say %a === b
camelia True
Kaiepi is there an equivalent to bitwise not? 23:14
like in node i'd do ~1 to get -2 23:15
MasterDuke Kaiepi: docs.perl6.org/language/operators#...n_operator 23:17
Kaiepi perfect 23:18
thanks
MasterDuke i don't think there's a section just for bitwise operators, the operators are grouped by precedence
El_Che I wouldn't be surpised if jmerelo wrote one while you were typing that :) 23:20
Kaiepi i can't find the operator equivalent to XOR
like 1 ^ 1 === 0
oh found it 23:21
m: say 1 +^ `
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Missing required term after infix
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say 1 +^7⏏5 `
expecting any of:
prefix
term
Kaiepi m: say 1 +^ 1 23:22
camelia 0
tobs m: say 5 +^ +^5 # I guess it's hard to invert all bits in a bigint
camelia -1 23:23
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tobs Ah, it says two's complement. All good. 23:28
Kaiepi ffs updating node broke my node install again 23:31
s/node broke/npm broke
buggable New CPAN upload: p6-time-repeat-0.0101.tar.gz by ARNE cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/A/AR/...101.tar.gz 23:32

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