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Geth doc: 80eaae4d15 | Coke++ | doc/Language/about.pod6
These are valid Perl 6 examples
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doc: b17b546e3a | Coke++ | util/unskip.p6
tool to unskip code in doc examples

Will remove the skip-test entirely if possible, but will fallback to using :solo if that works.
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/about
doc: 74c6a6dadb | Coke++ | doc/Language/operators.pod6
This compiles

It dies at runtime, but that's fine, we're not running it.
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/operators
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Xliff \w 02:37
\o even
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Xliff Will binding one element of a hash to another gain anything? 02:37
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Xliff m: my %a = ( a=>1, b =>2, c=> 3); %a<zz> := %a<b>; %a<zz>='c'; %a<d> = %a<b>; %a<d>='bleah'; %a.gist.say 02:38
camelia {a => 1, b => c, c => 3, d => bleah, zz => c}
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Xliff Nevermind. :) 02:39
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Xliff m: say 1.not 03:29
camelia False
Xliff m: say 1.not.not
camelia True
Geth mu: 47472792cd | (Fernando Correa de Oliveira)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | misc/perl6advent-2018/schedule
Update schedule
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Xliff m: "!\n".uniname.say 04:21
camelia EXCLAMATION MARK
Xliff m: "!\n".comb.map(.ord).say
camelia No such method 'ord' for invocant of type 'Any'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Xliff m: "!\n".comb.map(ord(*)).say
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Calling ord(Whatever) will never work with any of these multi signatures:
(Cool $s)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3"!\n".comb.map(7⏏5ord(*)).say
Xliff m: "!\n".comb.map({ ord($_) }).say 04:22
camelia (33 10)
Xliff m: (32,54,33,10).map({chr($_)}.say
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in argument list; couldn't find final ')' (corresponding starter was at line 1)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3(32,54,33,10).map({chr($_)}.say7⏏5<EOL>
Xliff m: (32,54,33,10).map({chr($_)}).say
camelia ( 6 !
)
Xliff m: Buf[uint8].new(73,32,226,153,165,32,80,101,114,108).encode.say 04:23
camelia No such method 'encode' for invocant of type 'Buf[uint8]'. Did you mean 'decode'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Xliff m: Buf[uint8].new(73,32,226,153,165,32,80,101,114,108).decode.say
camelia I ♥ Perl
Xliff m: Buf[uint8].new(226,153,165).decode.say 04:24
camelia ♥
Xliff m: Buf[uint8].new(226,153).decode.say
camelia Malformed termination of UTF-8 string
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Xliff m: Buf[uint8].new(226,153,165).map({ sprintf("%0x", $_) }).say 04:27
camelia (e2 99 a5)
Xliff m: Buf[uint8].new(0xe2,0x9d,0xa4).decode.say 04:28
camelia ❤
Xliff m: 0xe299a5.say 04:29
camelia 14850469
Xliff m: '♥'.uniname.say 04:30
camelia BLACK HEART SUIT
Xliff m: 0b111000101001100110100101.say 04:32
camelia 14850469
Xliff m: 0x2665.say 04:33
camelia 9829
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Geth doc: 62d8495022 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Version.pod6
Fixes Version documents

Fixes wrong description of literals, and also adds some examples illustrating operators. Closes #2421		 06:44
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Version
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Geth doc: 8997d62e42 | (JJ Merelo)++ | Makefile
Switching categories back on
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holyghost Mathx::Stat compiles and works, some things of AI::Agent compile and work. As I am busy with personal things I won't be able to fix them until next week wednesday. 08:16
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Geth doc: 1bbf4e38c5 | (Richard Hainsworth)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/5to6-perlop.pod6
Update 5to6-perlop.pod6

fix link in smart match in binding section		 08:26
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/5to6-perlop
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Xliff \o 08:49
m: my token word { <[A..Za..z0..9]>+ }; my token sep { '_' } my rule methodline { 'method' <word> }; "method a_b_c" ~~ /<methodline>/; $/.gist.say;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3[A..Za..z0..9]>+ }; my token sep { '_' }7⏏5 my rule methodline { 'method' <word> };
expecting any of:
…
Xliff m: my token word { <[A..Za..z0..9]>+ }; my token sep { '_' }; my rule methodline { 'method' <word> }; "method a_b_c" ~~ /<methodline>/; $/.gist.say; 08:50
camelia Nil
Xliff ?!?
m: my token word { <[A..Za..z0..9]>+ }; my token sep { '_' }; my rule methodline { 'method' <word> }; "method a_b_c" ~~ /'method'/; $/.gist.say;
camelia ｢method｣
Xliff m: my token word { <[A..Za..z0..9]>+ }; my token sep { '_' }; my rule methodline { 'method' <word> }; "method a_b_c" ~~ /'method' <word>/; $/.gist.say; 08:51
camelia Nil
Xliff m: my token word { <[A..Za..z0..9]>+ }; my token sep { '_' }; my rule methodline { 'method' <word> }; "method a_b_c" ~~ /'method'<word>/; $/.gist.say;
camelia Nil
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Toughy Hi, where can I download the Camelia icon please ? 09:11
Is there a Windows .ico file with all the pre-defined sizes ? 09:13
sjn Toughy: you might find it here: github.com/perl6/marketing 09:15
El_Che Toughy: have a look here: github.com/perl6/marketing
sjn :)
El_Che github.com/perl6/marketing/tree/ma...1533512212
Toughy Thank you 09:18
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Xliff Where can I get Camelia plushies? 10:01
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Zoffix There's a much simpler interface to use than the raw marketing repo: marketing.perl6.org/ 10:02
Xliff: this site has this crochetted camelia: www.doomyflocrochet.com/boutique/a...7625900962 10:09
El_Che simpler indeed
Zoffix Xliff: and lizmat++ will probably know where to get the plush camelia
Xliff Zoffix: Thanks! 10:12
m: my @a = 3, 9, 27...Inf; @a[^5].say
camelia (3 9 27 81 243)
Xliff m: my @a = 3, 9, 27...Inf; @a[^10].say 10:13
camelia (3 9 27 81 243 729 2187 6561 19683 59049)
Xliff m: my @a = 0, 1.25...Inf; @a[^10].say 10:16
camelia (0 1.25 2.5 3.75 5 6.25 7.5 8.75 10 11.25)
Xliff m: my @a = 4, 6.25...Inf; @a[^10].say
camelia (4 6.25 8.5 10.75 13 15.25 17.5 19.75 22 24.25)
Xliff m: my @a = 1, 2, 3, * ** 2 + * - * ** 0.5...Inf; @a[^10].say 10:18
camelia (1 2 3 1.2679491924311228 5.873967499389506 7.844322261694979 4.6808909278809185 40.184279774320544 59.87517549834757 54.35711454258718)
Xliff m: my @a = 1, 2, 3, * ** 2 + * - * ** 0.5...Inf; @a[^20].say
camelia (1 2 3 1.2679491924311228 5.873967499389506 7.844322261694979 4.6808909278809185 40.184279774320544 59.87517549834757 54.35711454258718 1667.2787887246732 3598.5614302088397 4561.986679400066 2783349.5782808685 12952538.016296646 23591473.07784036 774…
Xliff m: my @a = 1, 2, * + *...Inf; @a[^20].say 10:19
camelia (1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377 610 987 1597 2584 4181 6765 10946)
Xliff m: my @a = 1, 1, * + *...Inf; @a[^20].say 10:20
camelia (1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377 610 987 1597 2584 4181 6765)
Zoffix FWIW you can /msg evals to camelia
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El_Che Zoffix: pretty cool site 10:59
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rindolf Zoffix: hi 11:33
Zoffix: sup?
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jkramer Is anyone working on an oauth module for P6? 11:55
I'd do it myself but I don't trust myself doing all the crypto stuff right :)
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El_Che jkramer: there is this google specific one, I wonder what's needed to make it generic: modules.perl6.org/dist/OAuth2::Cli...an:BDUGGAN 12:02
there is this one, but I don't know what fanfou is: github.com/ohmycloud/fanfou-p6
jkramer El_Che: I just had a look at that, no idea what it's doing though because I can't see any crypto in the source
Yup, seen fanfou too, no idea what it is :) 12:03
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tobs` m: my %e = .antipairs with { :1ONE, :2TWO }; say %e<1> 12:12
camelia ONE
tobs` m: state %e = .antipairs with { :1ONE, :2TWO }; say %e<1>
camelia (Any)
tobs` m: state %e = { :1ONE, :2TWO }.antipairs; say %e<1>
camelia ONE
tobs` This is unexpected, isn't it?
moritz conditional declarations are the root of all evil 12:15
m: state %e = .antipairs given { :1ONE, :2TWO }; say %e<1>
camelia (Any)
moritz m: state %e = say .perl given { :1ONE, :2TWO };
camelia ( no output )
moritz TIL: I don't understand how state initialization and topicalization interact 12:16
tobs` Maybe this is related (though I don't understand much of it) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/1467 12:17
now if only I could remember how the bisect bot works
jnthn Poorly. A state variable is assigned if the assignment takes place in the first execution of the block containing the state variable (strictly, of that closure clone) 12:18
The thunking breaks the assumption that the assignment of a state variable and the scope it lives in will always take place in the same code object, thus leading to the observed behavior. 12:19
m: state %e = (.antipairs with { :1ONE, :2TWO }); dd %e 12:20
camelia Hash %e = {"1" => "ONE", "2" => "TWO"}
jnthn Do it like that
Otherwise, even if somehow we found a way to let the thunking work, you'd still be wastefully running a `with` every time that will be a no-op 12:21
(Well, except the first time)
tobs` jnthn: thanks. The explanation is something to digest 12:22
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Woodi hi :) 13:50
I cannot find nqp-2018.10.tgz, any standard location for released tgz files ?
[Coke] m: sub foo( Int $a, Int $b ) { ... } ; foo(1) 13:55
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Calling foo(Int) will never work with declared signature (Int $a, Int $b)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub foo( Int $a, Int $b ) { ... } ; 7⏏5foo(1)
Woodi as for div returning both numbers: I wonder if whatever "method" of calculating it is used both reminder and are available just before calling "return"... probably...
[Coke] ^^ should that fail with perl6 -c ? 13:56
Woodi *quotient
[Coke] It doesn't for me on 2018.09-72-g687a3cbb0
Woodi found "Releases" tab on github... 13:59
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Woodi if eg. div returns someting and then you have option for checking something *in* last action is it "first class execution" ? :) 14:07
[Coke] doc example test were skipping code blocks that appeared inside other top level pod elements, oops. fix coming shortly. 14:10
(found by the unskip tool which happily unskipped code that was obviously going to fail and then reported it had worked) 14:11
m: use Telemetry::Sampler 14:19
camelia ===SORRY!===
Could not find Telemetry::Sampler at line 1 in:
/home/camelia/.perl6
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/site
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6/vendor
/home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-1/share/perl6
…
[Coke] m: say Telemetry::Sampler
camelia Could not find symbol '&Sampler'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
[Coke] m: use Telemetry; say Telemetry::Sampler 14:22
camelia (Sampler)
[Coke] ah, there we go.
Geth doc: b3096ca53c | Coke++ | xt/examples-compilation.t
Descend into pod items that can contain code

Previously, we skipped any code snippets that were inside
  'item's, for example.		 14:27
doc: 1149bd2507 | Coke++ | doc/Type/Telemetry/Sampler.pod6
requires a use before class is visible
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Telemetry::Sampler
squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by coke++! ♥
doc: 24e1691c5c | Coke++ | 2 files
fixup now-tested code examples
[Coke] the ruby nutshell doc requires more effort than I can put in right now; a lot of the examples seem to mix ruby & perl6 in the same snippet and will need to be broken out as they are in the p5 doc.
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Zoffix [Coke]: is that from the docs that say that will fail at compile time? More accuratelly, it'll fail in the static optimizer, and eventually it'll be called something more appropriate than "optimizer" ( colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_lo...10-25#l160 ) as it'll be doing spec things rather than just optional optimizations 14:54
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Zoffix [Coke]: filed it as R#2461 14:59
synopsebot R#2461 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2461 [meta] Rename [Part of] Optimizer
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AlexDaniel squashable6: status 15:45
squashable6 AlexDaniel, Can't parse the wiki page
AlexDaniel :op
ok that's my mistake
squashable6: status 15:47
squashable6 AlexDaniel, Can't parse the wiki page
AlexDaniel squashable6: status
squashable6 AlexDaniel, Can't parse the wiki page
AlexDaniel dammit.
squashable6: status 15:48
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈20 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/7fc409c230b4a22452...b839d047c8
AlexDaniel :)
[Coke] thanks, Z
AlexDaniel basically, I tried to reverse the rows in the table on github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day 15:49
Zoffix Do you get a plush camelia again?
AlexDaniel should make squashable indifferent to that
yes
Zoffix Damn, I wish I had time to SQUASHathon.
AlexDaniel Xliff: ↑ you asked about plush camelia 15:50
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Geth doc: ec633cab1a | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Promise.pod6
[6.d] Update output examples for sunk start

To match updated PoV and propspec:
  github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/15...e24c6f0077
  github.com/perl6/roast/commit/9cf3...6e68519999		 16:20
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Promise
squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by zoffixznet++! ♥
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jmerelo squashable6: status 16:38
squashable6 jmerelo, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈19 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
jmerelo, Log and stats: gist.github.com/df249053a14c5d7b49...eef9e981fc
jmerelo So, anyone up for fixing perl6 documentation bugs?
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AlexDaniel jmerelo: you didn't see this! colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_lo...11-02#l391 16:43
:)
jmerelo AlexDaniel: what? 16:45
AlexDaniel nothing! :)
jmerelo But I didn't see it, you're right. Just connected from early in the morning today.
AlexDaniel it's interesting, the bot was unable to parse the wiki page, but the squashathon started as expected
jmerelo Ah, OK.
It's a good robot. 16:46
squashable6: hug
squashable6 jmerelo, I cannot recognize this command. See wiki for some examples: github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki/Squashable
jmerelo squashable6: cookie
squashable6 jmerelo, I cannot recognize this command. See wiki for some examples: github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki/Squashable
AlexDaniel huggable: hug jmerelo 16:47
huggable hugs jmerelo
AlexDaniel buggable: pizza jmerelo
buggable jmerelo, enjoy this slice of Gourmet pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
AlexDaniel because it makes so much sense! :P
jmerelo: as for fixing the bugs, yes, because we can't let you win two times in a row :P 16:48
jmerelo :-) 16:51
You'll have have to work for that!
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jmerelo And now GitHub is breaking down: status.github.com/messages 17:00
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Geth doc: e26aafe466 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/pragmas.pod6
Documents v6.whatever

As a pragma, with some examples. Closes #2422		 17:18
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/pragmas
squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by JJ++! ♥
Geth doc: 87061ec32d | (JJ Merelo)++ | 2 files
Fixes some author tests
squashable6 🍕 JJ++ closed issue “`use v6.whatever` doesn't seem to be documented”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2422
squashable6 🍕 ugexe++ wrote a comment on commit 62d8495022af: github.com/perl6/doc/commit/62d849...t-31152528 17:29
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poohman camelia 17:33
m: say "Hello!" 17:36
camelia Hello!
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poohman m: say $*IN; 17:37
camelia IO::Handle<IO::Special.new("<STDIN>")>(opened)
poohman qkdwq
m: s
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
s used at line 1
poohman m: say $*IN; s 17:38
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
s used at line 1
Geth doc: 94110a274e | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/pragmas.pod6
Clarify versioning pragmas

  - Add more explanation for the whole "perl 5 errors" thing, as it's
   unclear unless you already know what it's about
  - Explain more about .PREVIEW version, though its mechanics are
   slightly fuzzy around the edges: R#2464 github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2464
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/pragmas
synopsebot R#2464 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2464 [meta] Figure out the deal with `.PREVIEW` versions
ugexe why are people documenting comparing a version to a version range? 17:39
no it doesn't make sense to use `v1.*+ <= v1.0` as an example in the docs
Geth doc: e6483c28e0 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/pragmas.pod6
It's too soon for 6.s release 😅
ugexe the original examples used ~~ which makes sense
moritz then it's likely a bug that has slipped in, and should be fixed 17:40
ugexe what is a bug?
poohman m: say ($*IN.get.Numeric.isa(Numeric)) 17:41
camelia False
moritz ugexe: an error
poohman Hello all, how can I cast an IO to Numeric
?
moritz m: say $*IN.get.Numeric.^name
camelia Failure
moritz poohman: in general, your approach looks fine, but only if the input stream actually is/contains a number 17:42
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poohman I tried in with the stream having a number 17:43
but it always says false
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moritz so what does it say *is* the result? 17:44
Zoffix poohman: .get gives you the whole line. Does the entire line have just the number and whitespace and nothing else?
poohman: there's also .words
poohman the stream was a number and enter
Zoffix ugexe: you know a lot about version comparisons. It might be easier for you to fix the docs than for someone else to try to figure out what the right docs are meant to look like
moritz $ echo 42 | perl6 -e 'say $*IN.get.Numeric.^name' 17:45
Int
seems to work fine
poohman: oh, .isa works on classes, but Numeric is a *role*
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poohman ah ok 17:45
moritz so either use .does(Numeric), or (more idiomatic) ~~ Numeric
$ echo 42 | perl6 -e 'say $*IN.get.Numeric.does(Numeric)' 17:46
True
poohman let me try - moment
Zoffix $ echo 42 | perl6 -e 'say prompt.does: Numeric'
True
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ugexe i could have reviewed the PR but it was never up for review 17:46
Zoffix poohman: `prompt` automagically converts numerical values to Numeric types (well, to allomorphs are are both Str and Numeric) 17:47
ugexe when i can commit code to public repo is not so simple as "whenever i feel like it"
moritz ugexe: that's simply not how the Perl 6 docs contribution workflow is right now 17:48
ugexe: we value easy of contribution very highly, which means sometimes errors slip in
poohman cool
moritz and sometimes folks like you notice them, and either open an issue for that, or correct it
poohman thanks Moritz and Zoffix
moritz poohman: my pleasure
poohman I had asked this a few weeks back - but has anyone try updating the Comma IDE using the link for windows 17:49
not able to download a exe or installer 17:50
it is some wierd format which ends up being downloaded
Zoffix poohman: worth mentioning, the `prompt` thing is fairly new, available from 2018.08 rakudo (with earlier versions always giving you strings). You can use `val prompt` if you want to be sure , tho 17:51
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Zoffix poohman: jnthn and timotimo both work on that project and they would know more. 17:52
ugexe i get it. but in this case there was a clear lack of understanding of what they were documenting
Zoffix I don't have a windows box nearby ATM to try.
timotimo me neither, sorry about that
ugexe it cant all be about closing an issue over everything
Zoffix ugexe: +1 on that 17:53
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poohman ok thanks - ill write an email 17:53
zoffix - will try to read up on prompt
timotimo you can always just download any other intellij ide and use the comma plugin version
as a temporary fallback 17:54
but do write that mail anyway so that we can figure the rpoblem out and perhaps fix it for any future versions
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Geth doc: chsanch++ created pull request #2431:
Split regexes page and add regexes best practices page		 18:03
squashable6 🍕 chsanch++ opened pull request “Split regexes page and a…”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2431
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by chsanch++! ♥
🍕 chsanch++ edited pull request “Split regexes page and a…”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2431
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Xliff Is this a docs squashy? 18:24
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lizmat Xliff: yes 18:26
jmerelo And everyone is welcome! 18:29
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ryn1x_ Why does the welcome message show “p6:” when everyone uses “m:”? 18:33
lizmat good question :-) 18:35
historically I think "p6" did both MoarVM and JVM backends
weekly: news.perlfoundation.org/2018/11/per...nat-6.html 18:37
notable6 lizmat, Noted!
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lizmat do we have a simple hyperop that creates a completely flat list ? 18:41
jmerelo lizmat: something like [|]? Unless that's the thing, I don't think so 18:42
m: say [|] [[1,2],[1,[2,3]],4]
camelia any([1 2], [1 [2 3]], 4)
jmerelo Hum, took the junction part of it. Not bad, but... 18:43
m: say [<>] [[1,2],[1,[2,3]],4]
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of <>; in Perl 6 please use lines() to read input, ('') to represent a null string or () to represent an empty list
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say [<7⏏5>] [[1,2],[1,[2,3]],4]
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jmerelo m: say [[1,2],[1,[2,3]],4].duckmap( -> List $l { | $l } ) 18:44
camelia [1 2 1 [2 3] 4]
jmerelo m: say [[1,2],[1,[2,3]],4].duckmap( -> List $l { $l.Slip } )
camelia [1 2 1 [2 3] 4]
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jmerelo lizmat: so, short answer, no. Long answer: still no. Maybe try Stackoverflow 18:45
lizmat I might, but I think I know the answer already :-( 18:46
and actually: I phrased the question wrong: I'm looking at something I can use with Z
jmerelo lizmat: some infix operator? 18:47
lizmat m: dd (1,2,3) |Z (4,5,6) # should create (1,4,2,5,3,6)
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared name:
Z used at line 1
Xliff Well, it's a good thing. The example here is misleading...
docs.perl6.org/type/IO::Handle#method_Supply
Actually, it's wrong.
jmerelo m: dd (1,2,3) Z| (4,5,6) # should create (1,4,2,5,3,6)
camelia (any(1, 4), any(2, 5), any(3, 6)).Seq
jmerelo Again the Junction thing... 18:48
lizmat jmerelo: yep, and that's correct
jmerelo Xliff: please create an issue...
lizmat that's why I like the |Z as it is a syntax error now
Xliff jmerelo: Squashy page, pls?
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jmerelo Xliff: just a regular issue. It will show up here via squashable 18:49
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jmerelo lizmat: yep, that would be nice. 18:49
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buggable New CPAN upload: ENIGMA-Machine-0.0.1.tar.gz by UZLUISF cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/U/UZ/...0.1.tar.gz 18:51
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Xliff In as #2466 18:54
I just found it last night. Then my internet went out! o_O
squashable6 🍕 JJ++ reopened issue “Version docs are wrong”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2421 18:55
🍕 JJ++ wrote a comment on “Version docs are wrong”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2421#i...-435475871
uzl twitter.com/techpractical/status/1...2490537985 <- This is a quite interesting tweet ;-)! 18:56
yoleaux 25 Oct 2018 15:59Z <tyil> uzl: thanks, I fixed the "it's" to "its" in my local repo, I'll push it when I get home. On the .. vs ... operator, I am aware, but when I asked the question on SO I was advised to use .. and .reverse it
uzl A kitchen isn't a clusterfuck of a kitchen just because it's well stacked with different ingredients. It solely means that there are lot of different ingredients to choose from. 18:58
.tell tyil ;)! What was the reason behind it? In one of his presentations, Damian was using (and sort of recommending?) the use of n...m instead of (m..n).reverse 19:06
yoleaux uzl: I'll pass your message to tyil.
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lizmat uzl: since the recommendation to use (n..m).reverse, the n ... m (where n > m) got the same optimization treatment 19:15
uzl: so nowadays it doesn't matter if you do n...m or (n..m).reverse
Geth doc: Xliff++ created pull request #2432:
- Should be a fix for rakudo/issues/#2466		 19:17
squashable6 🍕 Xliff++ opened pull request “- Should be a fix for rakudo/issues/#2466”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2432
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by Xliff++! ♥
Xliff Ack! I stuck my issue on the wrong repo. :/
uzl lizmat: That's great to hear. 19:19
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🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by uzluisf++! ♥
Geth doc: 4652d2f1f5 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Version.pod6
Rephrasing to clarify and fix grammar issues.

Also addresses last comment about enclosing them with parentheses, which wasn't addressed before. This closes #2421 again. Feel free to reopen if some further changes need to be made.		 19:26
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Version
squashable6 🍕 JJ++ closed issue “Version docs are wrong”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2421
doc: 4bc82afabd | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Cool.pod6
Whitespace fixes
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Cool
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Geth doc: 4d04b10d80 | (Christian Sánchez)++ | 2 files
Split regexes page and add regexes best practices page
doc: 6e8305e9a2 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2 files
Merge pull request #2431 from chsanch/fix-2410

Split regexes page and add regexes best practices page
squashable6 🍕 JJ++ merged pull request “Split regexes page and a…”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2431
thundergnat m: multi infix:<|Z> (@a, @b) { gather (@a Z, @b).deepmap: {.take} }; multi postfix:<|Z> (@a) { gather @a.deepmap: {.take} }; dd (1,2,3) |Z (4,5,6); dd [[],[1,[2,[3]]],[4]]|Z; #slightly bogus
camelia (1, 4, 2, 5, 3, 6).Seq
(1, 2, 3, 4).Seq
thundergnat lizmat ^^^
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lizmat well, if we agree on the syntax, I'll implement it slightly more performant :-) 19:36
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squashable6 🍕 JJ++ wrote a comment on “Suggest appearance improvements for the site”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2429#i...-435486499 19:37
Skarsnik Hello
jmerelo Skarsnik: hi!
squashable6 🍕 Xliff++ wrote a comment on “- Should be a fix for rakudo/issues/#2466”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2432#iss...-435486679 19:38
Geth doc: a404019c18 | Xliff++ | doc/Type/IO/Handle.pod6
- Should be a fix for rakudo/issues/#2466
doc: 920cc6f988 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/IO/Handle.pod6
Merge pull request #2432 from Xliff/xliff-patch-20180725

  - Should be a fix for rakudo/issues/#2466
Thanks!
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/IO::Handle
squashable6 🍕 JJ++ merged pull request “- Should be a fix for rakudo/issues/#2466”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2432
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Skarsnik maybe a dumb question, how do I use the new sexy timotimo profiler? just add --profile like before ? ^^ 19:39
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thundergnat lizmat; FWIW, I think we would be better served by just a postifix "flatten" operater that can then be applied to a list/sequence rather than a custom zip-and-flatten infix. 19:48
The |Z, while cute, is going to be long term trouble IMO. 19:49
m: sub postfix:<♭> (@a) { gather @a.deepmap: {.take} }; dd ((1,2,3) Z (4,5,6))♭; dd [[],[1,[2,[3]]],[4]]♭
camelia (1, 4, 2, 5, 3, 6).Seq
(1, 2, 3, 4).Seq
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Woodi anyone have crash with this simple C ? or I doing something wrong ? pastebin.com/6tt6NxUa 19:53
also #c@freenod does not exists :) 19:54
Xliff lizmat: Can the trait from Method::Also be re-exported? 19:55
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Skarsnik nice shaved 10% perf adding a simple if in the XML module x) 19:58
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leont Woodi: strictly speaking i is not a %d, I think the compiler allowed to stumble over that 19:59
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leont On a big-endian architecture your first example would already give the wrong answer 20:00
Line 20 crashes because it puts 64 bits of integer and 64 bits of pointers on the argument stack 20:01
It then consumes 32 bits of integer, and interprets the next 64 bits as a pointer, which is actually the second 32 bits of the integer and the first 32 bits of the pointer
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Skarsnik the compiler should warning btw 20:04
Woodi that would explain it. but IMO still a bug in printf...
Skarsnik hm, is there a way to know if a routine get JIT?
leont Yeah modern compilers generally warn you about such things 20:05
Skarsnik 400 ms spend on nativecast on a 2.7 sec run 20:08
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timotimo ohai Skarsnik 20:09
you need to pass --profile-filename=/something/ending-in.sql 20:10
Skarsnik btw this look overcrafted github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...l.pm6#L661 x) 20:12
timotimo it'd be lovely to hear what your stumbling blocks and questions on the way towards a working moarperf are 20:14
Skarsnik maybe a dumb question, where is the doc for how to use it? 20:15
timotimo github.com/timo/moarperf - the readme is very short; if you can point out what exactly is missing i'll add that
and i should really make release packages that you can use completely without npm 20:17
Skarsnik Feels like I want to run it on my vps and upload the sql file to it or something ^^
maybe do a docker image?
timotimo you could, but i'm not sure i want to run this as a service on something
yeah, i should do that
there's a cro example docker file, that's probably a good starting point 20:18
and then it can just include the npm stuff for installation and rm it again
Skarsnik anyway. let's see if I can save time on these 450 ms of nativecast call on my 2.7 sec run x) 20:19
timotimo that's an impressive amount in any case
Skarsnik well 16xxx call to it
timotimo m: say 450 / 16000 20:20
camelia 0.028125
timotimo that's still more than i would have expected
Skarsnik let see if I can use the nqp call directly? 20:21
timotimo oh, it's this specific version of nativecast? 20:22
Skarsnik what confuse me. why it's the first multi that is called and not the last? github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...l.pm6#L661
timotimo i assume the Native trait being applied does something... i wonder if the compler kicks in and tries to build code for it
Skarsnik code is my $tab_child = nativecast(CArray[Pointer], $groot.v.element.children.data);
timotimo oh, it's not the one for subs, then 20:23
Skarsnik I had issue using TypedPointer directly. it was causing random segfault sadly (but it was 2-3 years ago) 20:24
but .deref on TypedPointer is a nativecast call anyways
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timotimo it is?
Skarsnik github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...es.pm6#L58 20:25
timotimo oh 20:26
i guess that makes sense?
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timotimo nativecall_cast seems like it should be very easy to devirtualize a single step already when the source type is known 20:28
Skarsnik github.com/Skarsnik/perl6-gumbo/bl...er.pm6#L68 I could use one single nativecast to CArray[GumboNode] maybe xD 20:29
5k call now. a bit better 20:32
best part of this code github.com/Skarsnik/perl6-gumbo/bl...er.pm6#L72 20:34
to work on the first release x)
timotimo oof :) 20:35
but 5k is so much better than 16k
did the time needed decrease about the same amount?
Skarsnik 150 ms spend in these call now 20:36
timotimo at least it is linear
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Skarsnik What annoy me in this test : Gumbo: 0.0292011 - XML: 2.52728475 . The C code (gumbo time) is doing most of the work (parsing a 250k html5 page with 10k elements) and it take Perl 6 100 time this time to just convert C object to xml object 20:39
timotimo yeah, we should be able to figure this out somehow
Skarsnik Ok Gumbo is super optimized
timotimo the factor should be improvable, still
Skarsnik I wonder if a way to prealloc the 10k xml object could improve this 20:40
timotimo hm, these objects are gc-managed 20:41
we don't really have something pre-alloc-y for that
however
you could create the objects lazily on first access
like, create an array-like object that can create the objects the first time they are accessed 20:42
that should also be better from a GC standpoint
i.e. the object gets created just before it gets used the first time
Skarsnik but... the method that create these object is only 634.49ms of the run
timotimo oh
exclusive vs inclusive?
Skarsnik 650/110 20:43
timotimo OK
Skarsnik maybe I could send you a sql file? 20:45
timotimo go ahead :) 20:49
Skarsnik damn the sql profiler output is too fast! 20:51
ok Perl 6 is only 10 time slower without the profiler xD
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Skarsnik skarsnik@DESKTOP-UIA12T1:/mnt/f/Project/Perl6/benchmark$ ../rakudo/install/bin/perl6 -I perl6-gumbo/lib -I exemel/lib --profile-filename=./testgumbo.sql testgumbo.p6 20:53
hm that does not create me the sql file
Ho, I need the profile switch too xD
drive.google.com/file/d/1jIhhf_3_v...sp=sharing 20:55
brb shower 20:56
timotimo yeah, it should probably work with only --profile-filename and without --profile; we were going to change how --proflie-filename and --profile work together 21:02
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timotimo ah, dang 21:15
not the right version :D
Skarsnik my rakudo is too old? 21:18
timotimo no, my moarperf is too new
i'm developing the frontend at the same time as i'm adding more stuff to the profiler 21:19
Skarsnik random idea: give a fixed id so you can link the profile result to other people if it's running on a public webserver
timotimo hah, identity shows up as #1 for exclusive time
which is funny because it turns into "prof_enter", "set a, b", "prof_leave" 21:20
the set should also be eliminated soon-ish
and then the profiler should turn prof_enter, prof_leave with nothing in between into nothing at all
Skarsnik I think the "current" profiler does not handle multi correctly x) 21:21
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timotimo that would surprise me 21:22
how do you reach that conclusion?
Skarsnik I added another multi for nativecast before the first one (same line) that take a Mu ::type as first parameter that call nqp::nativecall/stuff and still show this one as the one used. 21:24
timotimo are you clicking on the links or comparing line numbers manually? 21:25
have you verified that the one you're expecting is being called, like by putting a "say" in it?
Skarsnik the current html one. you can't click on stuff. it only shot the path + line number
timotimo ah, ok
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Skarsnik and yes. it's not this one that is called ^^ 21:26
timotimo huh 21:27
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timotimo i don't have anything clever yet for very recursive functions in the profiler 21:36
zostay FYI docs.perl6.org/language/create-cli is missing on docs.perl6.org
timotimo oh, how did that happen 21:37
pod2onepage --html -v --source-path=./build --exclude=404.pod6 > html/perl6.html 21:38
[...]
processed ./build/Language/create-cli.pod6
Expected "=end pod" to terminate "=begin pod"; found "=end item" instead.
at /home/doc.perl6.org/doc/./build/Language/modules.pod6:599
^- also worth looking at for sure
wait, i think that log is way out of date 21:39
is something broken with the way build logs are uploaded?
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census hello 21:42
why in this channel do we have + in front of our names but not some of the other channels?
timotimo + means that a user has voice (commonly known as "has the +v status") 21:43
we have an anti-spambot measure that gives people the right to speak only after a minute or so
because there's been a wave of spam attacks lately
this countermeasure has been very effective, at the cost of some user confusion
El_Che more like the "power to be heard" and as it happens that is the academic definition of "voice" in academia :) 21:44
timotimo ah, "the right to speak" isn't entirely correct, yes
especially since mods with @ (aka +o) can still read what they send
census okay thanks for explaining. some of the other channels don't seem to have this feature because i don't have a + there. what am i supposed to do? 21:46
timotimo no need to do anything, unless that channel also has the channel mode +m set ("moderated")
census i don't seem to be allowed to post. 21:47
i'd like to post. not sure what i can do?
timotimo what other channels are we talking about here; the other perl6 channels?
census ##math for example
timotimo aha
i see the topic has an explanation 21:48
Geth doc: ba2964c89a | Coke++ | 2 files
test sample code

minor whitespace fixes
timotimo they only allow registered users to speak, which on this network means you'll want to contact the bot called NickServ
it's a regular user on IRC that you can talk to in a private chat
just send "help", for example with /msg NickServ help
Skarsnik Does the bugs on rt get copied to github? 21:49
timotimo i believe in your irc client that ought to pop up a little tab on the top
Skarsnik: no, we've decided to just not put new stuff on RT
census thanks. i just typed that but i don't follow what to do from there exactly 21:50
timotimo ah 21:51
you'll register a nickname you like with nickserv, though it can of course be someone else already took "census"
Skarsnik can someone close #131696 it's actually properly tested at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...nity.t#L95 21:55
rip rt bot ^^
timotimo RT#131696
synopsebot RT#131696 [open]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=131696 [LTA] internal error for invalid native type in "is native"
timotimo we now have many different prefixes for different stuff 21:56
Skarsnik I:#1
I#1
timotimo R#40 D#19 S#99 21:57
synopsebot R#40 [closed]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/40 Changed accept() in IO::Socket::INET so it returns the connected Socket.
D#19 [closed]: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/19 Fix up classtut example
S#99 [closed]: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/99 Test hyper and race in reverse
timotimo M#15 N#100
synopsebot M#15 [closed]: github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/pull/15 Implement and map nqp::attrinited, uncomment more of NQPHLL.
N#100 [closed]: github.com/perl6/nqp/issues/100 Forcing 64bit mode on OS X causes NativeCall to fail on 32bit machines
Skarsnik m: my $a;␤say "hello " if 1 eq 0 ||␤␤␤␤␤␤␤$a.piko; 21:59
camelia No such method 'piko' for invocant of type 'Any'. Did you mean 'pick'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 2
Skarsnik I remember looking at this bug and it was the parser not annoting properly the line number for the second statement 22:00
timotimo i think we throw away line numbers for "internal" things
like, only statements or maybe only things inside statementlists keep their line number info
i think at least a part of that was Decided™ 22:01
Skarsnik it make me lost 2-3h while working on GPTrixie trying to fix the first line of a huge condition
was not fun when each run took 30 sec 22:02
timotimo oh no :( 22:03
Skarsnik Kinda want to raise it to severe or something xD 22:05
it's too misleading
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Zoffix .seen TimToady 22:12
yoleaux I saw TimToady 26 Oct 2018 17:54Z in #perl6-dev: <TimToady> Is that to the right side or the left side? --Socrates
Zoffix m: Date.today.say
camelia 2018-11-02
Zoffix nervously drums on the desk 22:13
Skarsnik Hello Zoffix ^^
Zoffix Hi.
timotimo i thought you let perl6 drum for you
Zoffix :)
Skarsnik timotimo, so if I understand it's a won't fix? 22:14
timotimo i'm not sure if it is or not 22:15
it'd probably be nice if we could fix it
Skarsnik nativecallable6, extern int a; 22:16
nativecallable6 Skarsnik, gist.github.com/561ae9ad6f68157967...237f43f04c
Skarsnik :(
timotimo oh no :<
Skarsnik I already tried to fix it like 2 month ago x) 22:17
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Skarsnik hm, zef does not check github repo for modules on github? 22:29
timotimo, did you find more interesting stuff on my gumbo stuff with your fancy profiler? ^^ 22:35
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timotimo sorry, friend 23:45
i went AFK in between then and now
i just noticed the profiler doesn't track nativecallcast's allocations 23:48
so that's a source of info missing from the profile 23:49
squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ opened issue “Missing /language/create…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2433
🍕 zoffixznet++ labeled issue “Missing /language/create…” (site): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2433
🍕 zoffixznet++ edited issue “Missing /language/create…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2433 23:50
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squashable6 🍕 zoffixznet++ opened issue “LTA placement of collation docs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2434 23:59

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