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holyghost So that should be my first working CPAN package 00:00
this last working version is also on github.com/theholyghost2 00:04
timotimo the source code won't be visible on modules.perl6.org for at least an hour or so
holyghost I know 00:05
timotimo you're still using ok where you want to be using is-deeply or something similar
timotimo the first argument is the value that's supposed to be checked and the second argument is what comment to output as the description 00:05
so you're just checking all these values whether they boolify to true or false 00:06
holyghost It's all numbers which get compared with 'ok' 00:08
the system itself is foolproof
timotimo no 00:09
ok does not compare numbers
m: use Test; ok 1, 2; ok 3, 5; ok 1, 1; 00:10
camelia ok 1 - 2
ok 2 - 5
ok 3 - 1
timotimo m: use Test; ok 0, 0; ok 0, 1; ok 1, 0;
camelia not ok 1 -
# Failed test at <tmp> line 1
not ok 2 - 1
# Failed test '1'
# at <tmp> line 1
ok 3 -
holyghost m: use Test; ok 0.111, 0.111; 00:12
camelia ok 1 - 0.111
holyghost m: use Test; ok 0.111, 0.112;
camelia ok 1 - 0.112
holyghost ok, never mind
timotimo m: use Test; is-deeply 1, 1, "one is one"; 00:14
camelia ok 1 - one is one
timotimo m: use Test; is-deeply 1, 2, "one is one";
camelia not ok 1 - one is one
# Failed test 'one is one'
# at <tmp> line 1
# expected: 2
# got: 1
buggable New CPAN upload: Mathx-Stat-0.2.3.tar.gz by HOLYGHOST modules.perl6.org/dist/Mathx::Stat:...:HOLYGHOST 00:57
holyghost ^-- I removed the chaos theory, which should become Mathx::Stat Chaos 00:58
s/Mathx::Stat Chaos/Mathx::Chaos 00:59
holyghost I'm going to try to sleep a bit, so U get back into day phase 01:28
holyghost is AFK ATM 01:29
holyghost good morning 04:50
I'm going to debug a package a day, later on Bayes::Learn 04:51
buggable New CPAN upload: AI-Agent-0.2.6.tar.gz by HOLYGHOST modules.perl6.org/dist/AI::Agent:cpan:HOLYGHOST 05:17
holyghost ^-- AI::Agent should be ok now 05:18
working I mean 05:21
buggable New CPAN upload: Bayes-Learn-0.2.1.tar.gz by HOLYGHOST modules.perl6.org/dist/Bayes::Learn...:HOLYGHOST 05:57
holyghost ^-- the brute force learner should work 06:04
which is also a good learner BTW
samcv AlexDaniel, sounds good 06:39
holyghost hi jmerelo 06:48
jmerelo: Mathx-Stat and AI-Agent work with several tests 06:51
I've uploaded to CPAN, now there's 3 packages left which I will debug 06:52
jmerelo I'll check it out
holyghost thx 06:53
jmerelo holyghost: please add some instructions to the README.md
I'd better put that in issues
holyghost what do you mean by "instructions" ? 06:55
jmerelo holyghost: check out the issues
holyghost ok
jmerelo And we _still_ need contributions to the Advent Calendar github.com/perl6/mu/blob/master/mi...8/schedule 07:06
holyghost they removed me :-) 07:07
and I cannot write good english 07:08
jmerelo You were never there, far as I can tell github.com/perl6/mu/commits/master...8/schedule
holyghost hm 07:10
jmerelo holyghost: anyway, there's no time to copy-edit or even review them... so it probably makes sense if you wait until next year and submit _early_ 07:13
releasable6: status
releasable6 jmerelo, Next release will happen when it's ready. 2 blockers. 79 out of 163 commits logged (⚠ 1 warnings)
jmerelo, Details: gist.github.com/159b08e66f969e88a0...4a372f2bbf
holyghost jmerelo: ok, I'll try to write something for it later on 07:19
holyghost jmerelo: could you check the README.md now ? 07:21
holyghost I updated so it's not too much clutter 07:22
holyghost ok, I close the issue then 07:24
jmerelo holyghost: it still does not have any example, instructions on how to use it or install it or, in general, what is usual in a README.md 07:31
holyghost: it's also usual to refer to issues from commits using simply their number (#3 in this case), close them from an issue (closes #3) and not close them until the OP is satisfied. Which I'm not, since it still has no examples 07:32
jmerelo nine: I just seen someone who has not requested a day in the Advent Calendar github.com/perl6/mu/blob/master/mi...8/schedule 07:34
jmerelo Hi, b2gills ! May I interest you in writing something for the Perl 6 Advent Calendar? 07:35
jmerelo I'll have to write a bot or something... 07:36
holyghost jmerelo: Sorry, I'll take my time then to remaster
I only slept 4 hours
I have the intention to use the test suite as an example 07:37
with extra explanations
I thought it was ok 07:38
andrzejku .seen araraloren 07:44
yoleaux I saw araraloren 4 Nov 2018 16:06Z in #perl6: <araraloren> Zoffix okay, thanks :)
Xliff_ Getting this: 'Non ast passed to WANTED: NQPMu' when using ?? !!. Has anyone else seen this before? 07:50
jmerelo Xliff_: hey, would you want to write somethign for the Advent Calendar? github.com/perl6/mu/blob/master/mi...8/schedule 07:58
jmerelo andrzejku: likewise: github.com/perl6/mu/blob/master/mi...8/schedule 07:58
Xliff_ jmerelo: What's the time frame?
jmerelo Xliff_: well, you'll need to have it ready a few days before the day you claim 07:59
And we have Dec 1st, 3rd... and many others.
Xliff_ Is this for December?
jmerelo Xliff_: right.
Xliff_ jmerelo: Let me think about it. I would like to write something, but am rather swamped, at the moment. 08:00
jmerelo Xliff_: you can claim Dec 24th :-)
Xliff_ You never know, though. The bug might strike me and I can come up with something in a day.
Well. I'd rather remain a hold-out until I KNOW I will be writing something.
Would rather not disappoint by having nothing. 08:01
jmerelo Xliff_: OK. Thanks for considering it anyway
Xliff_: it's not like the slots are flying... Sadly.
Xliff_ I will keep in mind, though. Might give me something to do next week.
OK! I will see what I can come up with.
jmerelo Xliff_: you don't need to write it now, only by the day you claim in December. A few days before that, if possible.
Xliff_ Yes. I know. :) 08:03
jmerelo Xliff_: great :-) 08:04
buggable New CPAN upload: Mathx-Stat-0.2.5.tar.gz by HOLYGHOST modules.perl6.org/dist/Mathx::Stat:...:HOLYGHOST 08:07
holyghost Xliff_: thx for the issue, I fixed it 08:08
jmerelo: I've added examples to the README.md
holyghost I still need to fix the Mathx-Stat main class and ok tests 08:31
It should be usable now however 08:32
Geth doc: 6ab45c5ec4 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/subscripts.pod6
Adds example to STORE and fixes indexing

This closes #2462. In the first case, a real example is added which illustrates how to use. Indexing problem were due to the fact that it was a `=head2` called `method` which is automatically considered for indexing. That was also a problem, since it created a new section, which it should not.		 08:53
synopsebot_ Link: doc.perl6.org/language/subscripts
jmerelo holyghost: adding examples to the README does not really merit a new release, even if it's a minor. This should be reserved for bug fixes and functional changes. It's OK if you just leave it at the GitHub repo between releases. 08:54
lizmat clickbaits p6weekly.wordpress.com/2018/11/19/...en-perl-6/ 10:12
lucasb I'm editing my Pair object here: github.com/lucasbuchala/p6pairs/bl...ir/More.pm 15:12
yoleaux 19 Nov 2018 23:22Z <AlexDaniel> lucasb: yeah, that's probably the case
lucasb Any comments or criticism welcomed 15:12
I'm looking for a name for the distribution, if you have any suggestions :) github.com/lucasbuchala/p6pairs/bl...txt#L4-L17 15:13
Pair::More is just the working title
"This dude doesn't know Perl 6 already has a core Pair object?" 15:14
lucasb ok, I think the core Pair object has its idiosyncrasies, and I'm ok with it 15:14
also, seems a good idea to have a external place to try "pair" ideas 15:15
buggable New CPAN upload: Getopt-Advance-1.1.4.tar.gz by ALOREN modules.perl6.org/dist/Getopt::Adva...pan:ALOREN 15:38
lizmat lucasb: re self.new(:$key, :$value), that's better written as self.bless(:$key, :$value) saves 1 level of indirection 16:03
lucasb lizmat: I'll change all occurrences. thanks! 16:22
lizmat yw 16:23
jnthn lizmat: Really? self.new calls directly to BUILDALL if self.bless is just the Mu one?
And that "is it the Mu one" check turns into a constant at specialization time 16:24
lizmat aaah... yes, we optimized that... still, it's an extra check to see if the bless is the same ?
ah,.. ok
lucasb: sorry for the noise...
lucasb np. so, no need to change?
jnthn The specialization is keyed on the type of `self`, so it's not even an extra guard :)
lizmat lucasb: as jnthn said: no, no need to change 16:25
jnthn There's further opts we can do to object construction (we're not beating Ruby/Python at that benchmark yet, dammit)
But this particular aspect of things is handled pretty well. 16:26
lizmat yeah, it is :)
jnthn: we don't have a way to do >>op<< where "op" is a variable, right ?
jnthn Bracketed infix function form allows it maybe? 16:27
>>[&foo]<<
lizmat m: my @a = ^10; dd @a >>[&min]>> 1
evalable6 Array element = [0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1]
lizmat whee!
that should make testing metaops a bit easier 16:28
lizmat jnthn: as a way around BEGIN my $h := nqp::hash not working 16:44
any thoughts on:
BEGIN my $h = nqp::hash(...); $h := nqp::decont($h) 16:45
?
jnthn Probably works out alright
lizmat would it make sense from a performance point of view ?
jnthn But...um...you're not going to mutate this hash at runtime, right?
lizmat indeed, not 16:46
jnthn OK, good, otherwise you'll create a load of repossession conflicts :)
Yeah, decont is cheap enough
lizmat it's for things like valid datetime units for later
there's a bunch of them in core, handled in different ways
trying to get startup time down 16:47
lucasb m: role R[::T] { has T $!x }; class C does R[Any] { method m { $!x = Nil } }; C.new.m 17:27
evalable6 (exit code 1) Died with X::TypeCheck::Assignment
in method m at /tmp/12_7kp3CFg line 1
in block <unit> at /tmp/12_7kp3CFg line 1
lucasb ^^ is this error correct? 17:28
uzl lizmat: Thanks for your article on Perl 6 containers. It helped me cleared up some things! 18:22
From the article: "If you do not specify a default value, then the type constraint will be assumed." 18:23
In this case, what will be the assumed type constraint? Any? Nil?
uzl From what I gather in Perl 6, variable assignment, instead of binding to a value, binds to a container which makes the variable mutable. What's the approach in Perl 5? 18:26
lucasb I think it's the same thing. $a = $b, @a = @b, %a = %b all copies the contents of one container to other 18:33
lucasb different from most other dynamic languages, I think, where "a = b" just copies the object reference 18:34
uzl lucasb: Are you aware of any other languages that use the concept of containers? 18:35
"all copies the contents of one container to other" <- btw, are you referring to P5 or P6? I never heard of container in P5, just references. 18:36
lucasb I think "$a = $b", "@a = @b", and "%a = %b" works exactly the same in P5 and P6 18:38
indeed, "containers" in P5 doesn't get talked much, but semantically, it's there 18:39
uzl Oh, I see. In the most known P5 books, authors usually something "Perl Graphical Structures" to help the readers visualize how references work. Are there such diagrams to highlight the difference between binding and assigning to a variable in P6? 18:44
hythm_ Hi #perl6, I'm having trouble writing a recursive routine that takes a list of lists and check the items recursively (take or leave some items based on a condition). I thought of writing a multi, when the argument is a list, call same sub. if the argument is an item, return the item if it meets the condition. I wrote a test in the following link and explained in a more details what I'm trying to achieve 18:48
hythm_ gist.github.com/hythm7/c0d4a99e50d...81b02b7095 please take look if you can and let me know if you have any suggestions 18:48
lucasb hythm_: ((1)) doesn't create a nested list 18:59
maybe it doesn't matter in the example, but things like "($x)" makes the example harder to read :) 19:02
lucasb uzl: sorry, no graphical representation of data structures that I'm aware of. But there are the types hierachy in Graphviz images in docs, you know 19:03
hythm_ lucas, yeah you are right, I was trying to make it simple but I think I made it more complicated.
uzl lucasb: That's fine. Thanks! 19:05
hythm_ I used Data::Dump::Tree it makes the data structure more clearer. 19:06
uzl m: my @a = [(1, ((2), (3)))]; say @a.deepmap(-> $_ { not .Int %% 2 });
evalable6 [True (False True)]
uzl m: my @a = [(1, ((2), (3)))]; say @a.deepmap(sub $_ { return $_ if not .Int %% 2 }); 19:07
evalable6 (exit code 1) 04===SORRY!04=== Error while compiling /tmp/8z7_1Yj0A0
Missing…
uzl, Full output: gist.github.com/1a0434e4cd9f81066b...da937bb071
hythm_ deepmap works here but it will not work in other scenarios, it works here because (1, ((2), (3))) is a list of two items 1 and ((2), (3)) ,, from the first item it takes 1,, from the second items it takes either 2 or 3 19:12
lucasb hm, Data::Dump::Tree doesn't seem to be update recently. it's failing the tests 19:13
hythm_ yeah, I think some modules broke due to recent updates, thank you anyway 19:15
uzl yeah. And the other thing, I think, is that you might not able to return the values that meet condition, just the boolean of the evaluation. 19:16
hythm_ true, thats why I'm trying to write a multi with gather & take 19:17
the difficult part is in a datastructure like that (($a1, (($b2), ($b3))), ($a1, (($b1), ($b2)))) which is basically a list of two llists,, the first is ($a1, (($b2), ($b3))) and the second is ($a1, (($b1), ($b2))). and I should take all the items from either the first or all the items the second list 19:20
deepmap will go through all the items, so it wont work here 19:21
[Coke] why all the extra parens? 19:24
[Coke] m: say (1,(3,4)) eqv (1,((3),(4))) 19:25
evalable6 True
hythm_ the extra parens are to separate the items in groups,, for example ($a1, (($b2), ($b3)) indicates that I need to take $a1,,,, and (($b2), ($b3)) it parens indiocates I need to take either $b2 or $b3
hythm_ so $b2 and $b3 is grouped to gether to indicate I need to take only one of them 19:26
lucasb hopefully DDT isn't erroneously output (((1,),),) as (((1))) 19:27
*outputing
[Coke] so it's just for your use? it has no impact on the p6 interpretation... 19:27
nwellnhof p6: say 1e0 / 0e0 19:28
evalable6 (exit code 1) Attempt to divide 1 by zero using /
in block <unit> at /tmp/sOLAhQsS99 line 1
nwellnhof Why doesn't this return Inf like any sane, IEEE-754-compliant language?
lucasb m: say 1.0 / 0 # has to be Rat 19:29
evalable6 (exit code 1) Attempt to divide by zero when coercing Rational to Str
in block <unit> at /tmp/p2eC2ySkHC line 1
lucasb oops
m: say (1.0 / 0).Num
evalable6 Inf
hythm_ hmm, I did not think that (1,(3,4)) eqv (1,((3),(4))) == True 19:30
[Coke] parens don't make lists, commas do
hythm_ makes sense, I can use commas, would converting to arrays work too?what if converted to arrays 19:32
nwellnhof p6: say (1e0 / 0e0).Num 19:34
evalable6 (exit code 1) Attempt to divide 1 by zero using /
in block <unit> at /tmp/dNotJiyADC line 1
hythm_ thanks guys, knowing that (1,(3,4)) eqv (1,((3),(4))) is definitely helpful, will rethink what I need to do 19:37
[Coke] m: dd (1,(3,4)) 19:40
evalable6 (1, (3, 4))
[Coke] m: dd(1,((3),(4)))
evalable6 1
(3, 4)
[Coke] m: dd (1,((3),(4))) 19:41
evalable6 (1, (3, 4))
[Coke] point there: 1, space is important on the dd call, but 2, dd is a great tool for diagnostics.
perlEnthousiast I love Perl 19:54
I'd like to understand where is Perl 6 development ?
perlEnthousiast how stable is it and is it commonly used in the community ? 19:56
AlexDaniel perlEnthousiast: it is stable enough, I use it all the time
masak perlEnthousiast: Perl 5 still has a larger user base, but Perl 6 is surprisingly stable, sometimes downright fast, and has plenty of interesting features built-in 20:00
perlEnthousiast: but don't take my word for it! I'm biased :) try it out for yourself
AlexDaniel I mean, it's #perl6, most people here are biased :) 20:01
Geth Blin: 0fac4c09bd | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 2 files
Include module version when drawing the graph

This is a temporary hack to make graphs better.		 20:02
Blin: 3ee7dc3dfa | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | 3 files
Save the output of bisected modules

It was always there, just not in the output directory. Now it should be very easy to gist everything.
nwellnhof p6: say 1e0 % 0e0 20:05
evalable6 (exit code 1) Attempt to divide 1 by zero using %
in block <unit> at /tmp/3BoQgZ3SRa line 1
perlEnthousiast From what I've seen hosting a web service is native in Perl 6 ? Maybe I'm mistaken 20:07
oh it's Cro
I've been using Mojolicious on Perl 5 20:08
lizmat fg 20:12
El_Che %1 20:13
lizmat :-)
sjn 'fg' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. 20:14
Geth ecosystem: 27ffafcd21 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | META.list
Add ../Foo module

Please feel free to remove it temporarily if it breaks your stuff.		 20:17
SmokeMachine m: my @a = ^5; my @b = @a; dd @b 20:26
evalable6 Array @b = [0, 1, 2, 3, 4]
SmokeMachine m: my @a = ^5; my @b = @a; dd @b[0] 20:27
evalable6 Int @b = 0
lucasb hm, dd output is not correct 20:58
Geth mu: tmtvl++ created pull request #36:
Add my contribution for #35		 22:28
mu: d7aa1d1297 | (Tim Van den Langenbergh)++ | misc/perl6advent-2018/schedule
Add my contribution for #35
mu: cbb7f528b5 | (Tim Van den Langenbergh)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | misc/perl6advent-2018/schedule
Merge pull request #36 from tmtvl/call-for-contributions-2018-35

Add my contribution for #35
Geth Blin: ba68e32a10 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | bin/blin.p6
Fix output path (oops)
 23:05

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