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Juerd rakudoc 00:22
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tbrowder rakudoc! excellent 01:33
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SmokeMachine .tell pmurias I can be wrong, but I think this is the first "todo app" written in perl6 using memoized dom for the browser! :) perl6.github.io/6pad/?#60b7cb15e67...04d1a5a1d1 02:07
yoleaux SmokeMachine: I'll pass your message to pmurias.
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rouking I feel like the perl6.org homepage could give a better impression (and possibly should mention the nickname Raku somewhere?) 02:47
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rouking maybe mentioning some of the application for which one might use the language, and perhaps more code samples 02:52
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Geth advent: titsuki++ created pull request #4:
Add titsuki's entry		 03:02
advent: 219a96a3fe | (Itsuki Toyota)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | perl6advent-2018/schedule
Add titsuki's entry

I already have my advent account so I don't need new invitation.		 03:13
advent: f55d09b4a2 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | perl6advent-2018/schedule
Merge pull request #4 from titsuki/patch-1

Add titsuki's entry
lookatme_q rouking, they have a official website rakudo.org. Actually I am not know what is Raku mean 03:15
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AlexDaniel rouking: maybe consider filing a ticket here: github.com/perl6/perl6.org 03:23
or maybe even submitting a PR :)
rouking: regarding “Raku”, see this discussion: github.com/perl6/user-experience/issues/31 03:24
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hythm_ Hi, is there a module similar to perl5's Tree::DAG_Node? 04:04
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Xliff \o 04:54
holyghost hi
Xliff What brackets can I use as alternatives to s//?
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moritz s[] = ..., s{} = ...; 06:11
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holyghost jmerelo: about the rakudo-star maintainer, do you have one ? 06:17
you mentioned a few days ago, you needed one
hi BTW
jmerelo Hi 06:18
I think that's sorted out
holyghost ok
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jmerelo squashable6: status 06:24
squashable6 jmerelo, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 2 days and ≈3 hours (2018-12-03 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
jmerelo Hum
Shouldn't Squashathons start on a Friday?
.tell AlexDaniel don't usually Squashathons start on Fridays? 06:25
yoleaux jmerelo: I'll pass your message to AlexDaniel.
jmerelo squashable6: status 06:29
squashable6 jmerelo, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in ≈3 hours (2018-12-01 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
jmerelo That looks about right
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Geth doc: 71179be98f | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Cool.pod6
Fixes text and examples

I fact, it was more wrong than indicated for the OP. Thanks for drawing our attention to this. Closes #2482		 06:51
synopsebot_ Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Cool
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jmerelo Here's a guide for doing stuff in Squashathons dev.to/jj/squashing-perl-6-documen...-time-4ojn 07:01
You might find it useful
We're starting in a while. There's a plush Camelia for the winner! 07:02
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chakli Does anyone know if cro supports client certificate authentication 09:12
El_Che I find nothing on the docs 09:22
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mornfall if i want to extract stuff from XML, would i go for XML::Query? 09:27
:( no pod in there
also probably not what i wanted ... hm 09:28
XML::Parser::Tiny looks okay, let's try that 09:31
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jnthn Hmm, is anyone else noticing that modules distributed via CPAN are taking quite a while to be installable at that version with zef? 09:53
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jnthn I had to wait quite a long time to be able to zef install the latest Inline::Perl5 earlier this week. And yesterday I uploaded a bunch of new Cro modules, and while they're indexed on modules.perl6.org, I can't yet seem to install that version via zef. It even said it was updating cpan mirror along the way. 09:55
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mornfall um... how do i iterate an Array $foo? 09:56
jnthn for @$foo { }
mornfall oh. 09:57
jnthn Generally, $ means "item", so `for $foo { }` can be read as "for this one item foo" 10:00
mornfall hmm, and my ( $foo, $bar = '' ) clearly doesn't DWIM 10:01
($bar ends up being Any) 10:02
jnthn Not if you're assigning, no
m: my ($foo, $bar = '') := \('blah'); dd $foo, $bar; 10:04
camelia "blah"
""
mornfall so i either init everything with my ( $foo, $bar ) = ( '', '' ) or split the my... sure, i can do that
jnthn m: my ($a, $b, $c) = '' xx *; dd $a, $b, $c 10:05
camelia Str $a = ""
Str $b = ""
Str $c = ""
jnthn That way you don't have to write '' repeatedly
mornfall uh what's ␤ exactly? :\ renders as N/L on top of each other?
jnthn Just the way the bot here renders a newline 10:06
mornfall oh, ouch :p it's a little hard on the eyes 10:07
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moritz recommends a better font 10:10
mornfall moritz: this is a good font... it's *the* 6x13 10:11
you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands 10:12
moritz well, at the same time you complain about how it renders the ␤ 10:13
mornfall at least until i can get my hands on a monitor with 250 ppi or so, which doesn't seem too likely in the forseeable future :(
moritz otoh it might not even contain that symbol, and use a fallback to render it
mornfall moritz: it's a fixed-width font... that ␤ thing is apparently very wide in proportional fonts :\ 10:14
the result is hard to read because everything is squashed on top of each other
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mornfall either way, doesn't matter 10:16
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mornfall i might live to see a 300 DPI OLED monitor (not sure i'll be able to afford it though) 10:17
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mornfall on the other hand, slurp( file ).split( /\s+\ ) ♥ 10:20
El_Che .words ?
mornfall maybe that too 10:21
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El_Che m: say <The quick brown fox>.words 10:21
camelia (The quick brown fox)
El_Che m: say <The quick brown fox>.words.join("␤")
camelia The
quick
brown
fox
El_Che :) 10:22
mornfall tries to recall what's the difference between s and S
p6doc Regex doesn't say :| 10:23
jnthn The uppercase ones are inverses 10:24
So, "not whitespace"
mornfall oh, yeah, that makes sense (words is documented as being .comb( /\S+/ ) which got me confused for a second) 10:26
not sure why though, i'd find .split a lot more intuitive? 10:27
anyhow, .words it is... this is even better :)
anyone know if perl-mode (emacs) is supposed to deal with perl6? because it seems to work suspiciously well 10:30
El_Che github.com/hinrik/perl6-mode
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mornfall i know there's a separate perl6-mode ... (there's also cperl-mode) 10:30
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mornfall (i'm actually using spacemacs, fwiw) 10:31
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mornfall for dir( 'eval.meta', test => /\.txt$/ ) { %new{m,\d+,} ~= .slurp; } # i'm never going back to perl5 10:41
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mornfall how do i write filter on an array? 10:50
El_Che .grep? 10:51
jnthn m: dd [1..10].grep(* > 5) # like this? 10:52
camelia (6, 7, 8, 9, 10).Seq
mornfall yes, that! thanks
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mornfall p6doc Array didn't say 10:53
El_Che docs.perl6.org/type/List#routine_grep
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jnthn wonders if p6doc includes things that are inherited 10:56
mornfall jnthn: apparently it doesn't, no (p6doc Seq makes a passing mention of grep though) 10:58
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moritz ... and the Any methods have been "helpfully" removed from the website as well :( 11:08
mornfall is there a simple way to ask for an index of something in a list? 11:11
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lizmat @list.first( foo, :k ) 11:12
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lizmat m: say <a b c d e>.first( "c", :k ) # mornfall 11:13
camelia 2
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mornfall lizmat: i have some trouble getting that to work ... it gives me the right thing without :k (as in the value is good), but :k gives me 0 always it seems 11:16
lizmat m: say <a b c d e>.first( "c" )
camelia c
lizmat without the :k you get the value it found 11:17
mornfall yes, but with :k i always get 0 which is odd... also trying to run the REPL to check gave me MoarVM panic: Unable to allocate memory for callback closure
lizmat mornfall: which version of Perl 6 are you using ? 11:18
mornfall yeah getting rid of Linenoise fixed that panic
lizmat and also: perhaps provide a gist somewhere of the code that is failing ?
mornfall This is Rakudo Star version 2018.10 built on MoarVM version 2018.10
but it's on openbsd, which is possibly unusual
anyway, back to .first
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lizmat m: dd <a b c d e c>.grep( "c", :k ) # alternately, use grep with :k 11:19
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camelia (2, 5).Seq 11:19
mornfall okay in REPL it does what it does here, so there's a bug in my program, most like... i'll sort it out
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mornfall lizmat: oooh, i see my problem... my ( $date, $pid ) = m,([\d|\-]+)\.(\d+),.list; (and then i do .first( $date ) which somehow always returns the first item... the value itself is also wrong of course, i mis-read) 11:31
since $date is a match, not a string
doing .Str on it fixes the problem 11:32
lizmat mornfall: good to hear you found the problem :-)
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mornfall any idea why it happens though? i'd expect the Match to coerce into a Str by itself, not to just pair up with all strings happily 11:33
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mornfall oooh, it coerces into a Bool instead? 11:33
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mornfall nah, it doesn't 11:34
lizmat m: dd Match ~~ Iterable
camelia Bool::False
lizmat hmmm...
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lizmat it maybe because you can consider a Match object as a list of positional matches 11:35
*mey be
*may be
grrr
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mornfall dunno, doing a .first( () ) gives Nil (as it should) 11:36
(the Match is already a single capture, came from a .list of the toplevel Match) 11:37
lizmat m: dd Match.new(list => <a b c d>).first("c", :k) 11:38
camelia 2
lizmat looks indeed that Match.first will run over the positional captures of the match
mornfall m: my ( $x ) = "a b c" ~~ /b/; <a b c>.first( $x ) 11:40
camelia ( no output )
mornfall m: my ( $x ) = "a b c" ~~ /b/; dd <a b c>.first( $x )
camelia "a"
mornfall m: my ( $x ) = "a b c" ~~ /b/; dd <a b c>.first( $x.Str ) 11:41
camelia "b"
mornfall beats me... 11:42
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mornfall any idea how to get a union of keys of two hashes? (or two sorted lists for that matter) 12:04
moritz unique(%a.keys, %b.keys) # maybe? 12:05
lizmat m: dd <a b c d> (|) <d e f>
camelia Set.new("b","f","e","a","c","d")
lucasb m: say {a=>1,b=>2} ∪ {b=>3,c=>4}
camelia set(a b c)
mornfall hm, i looked for a Set and didn't find it, silly me 12:06
jnthn I was going to write what lucasb did but with .keys on. Nice that you don't even need that :)
mornfall good thing i have ∪ on my keyboard ;-)
cool stuff 12:07
lizmat yeah... if you union 2 lists, it will create the Set on the fly, rather than first create 2 Sets out of the lists
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jjmerelo squashable6: status 12:21
squashable6 jjmerelo, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈23 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
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lizmat jjmerelo: I'm afraid I won't be able to do much with this Squashathon :-( 12:23
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jjmerelo lizmat: no problem 12:23
I am kind of busy, too... 12:24
Better luck next time...
squashable6 🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “Exceptions: `try` block …” (update): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2468 12:26
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by JJ++! ♥
🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “Exceptions: `try` block …” (docs): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2468
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squashable6 🍕 JJ++ wrote a comment on “gather/take for hashes”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2479#i...-443189150 12:27
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AlexDaniel . 12:28
yoleaux 06:25Z <jmerelo> AlexDaniel: don't usually Squashathons start on Fridays?
AlexDaniel jjmerelo: oh wow there was a wrong date or something? 12:30
jjmerelo AlexDaniel: there was
I changed the wiki
AlexDaniel nice
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Geth doc: 08f511ce5f | (JJ Merelo)++ | writing-docs/EXAMPLES.md
Minor revision looking at solving #2314
 12:46
doc: 31dec6c6db | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Programs/01-debugging.pod6
Revised anchoring of dd and examples

Refs #1303, but closes #2314. We have simply improved the position of the anchor, but we are not creating a specific page with that URL, since that would have either be hard-coded in the generation or move this function, which is Rakudo specific, somewhere else.
squashable6 🍕 JJ++ closed issue “RFE: dd in the docs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2314
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squashable6 🍕 JJ++ reopened issue “Problems with p6doc build ”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2387 12:55
🍕 stmuk++ wrote a comment on “Problems with p6doc build ”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2387#i...-443196119 12:58
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by stmuk++! ♥
mornfall (is there a shortcut for .sort.reverse.first?) 13:00
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sena_kun m: <a c b>.sort[*-1] 13:00
camelia ( no output )
sena_kun m: <a c b>.sort[*-1].say
camelia c
sena_kun ^ 13:01
lizmat m: dd <a b c d c>.first("c", :end, :k) # mornfall
camelia 4
lizmat use the :end named parameter on .first 13:02
sena_kun m: say <a c b>.max
camelia c
lizmat alernately, reverse the sort condition :-)
mornfall i think sena_kun won with .max :) 13:03
thanks both ofc
lizmat mornfall: aha, yes, but that was not clear from your question :-) 13:04
mornfall lizmat: it wasn't clear to me either! :)
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mornfall (i think i like .first better than [0] ... easier to type for me?) 13:05
squashable6 🍕 JJ++ opened issue “Change page structure of the Debugging page”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2483 13:08
mornfall sorry to be such a bother, but it's really quite efficient to ask here... how do i topicalize a thing? (as in, make it $_)?
squashable6 🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “Change page structure of the Debugging page” (docs): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2483 13:09
🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “Change page structure of the Debugging page” (update): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2483
mornfall hmm given perhaps 13:10
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sena_kun `given` or `with`. 13:10
`with` checks a variable to be defined though 13:11
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squashable6 🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “RFE: working change in "words" documentation” (docs): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2340 13:25
🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “RFE: working change in "words" documentation” (update): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2340
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squashable6 🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “RFE: May be have a section on Escape Characters?” (docs): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2313 13:25
🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “RFE: May be have a section on Escape Characters?” (update): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2313
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squashable6 🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “A booboo and an rfe in contains documentation” (docs): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2334 13:27
🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “A booboo and an rfe in contains documentation” (update): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2334
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squashable6 🍕 JJ++ labeled issue “Need to note unordering-…” (update): github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2174 13:29
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squashable6 🍕 JJ++ wrote a comment on “classes are just blocks (to some extent)”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2481#i...-443206878 13:42
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mornfall when i decode a bungled up utf8 string with utf8-c8... how would I go about replacing the bad chars with X? i tried subst( rx|\􏿽...|, "X" ); but that's not really working :\ 14:02
moritz mornfall: first look at string after decoding
mornfall well, the 0x10FFFD char is what i get when i .say the string 14:03
which is what it should be, but the regex doesn't seem to be too happy about it 14:04
moritz after you've decoded with utf8-c8? sure?
do you have a sample of input bytes that lead to that?
m: say Buf.new(0xFE, 0xFF).decode('utf8-c8') 14:05
camelia 􏿽xFE􏿽xFF
moritz m: say Buf.new(0xFE, 0xFF).decode('utf8-c8').perl
camelia "􏿽xFE􏿽xFF"
moritz m: say Buf.new(0xFE, 0xFF).decode('utf8-c8').ords
camelia (1114109 120 70 69 1114109 120 70 70)
moritz m: say Buf.new(0xFE, 0xFF).decode('utf8-c8').ords>>.hex 14:06
camelia No such method 'hex' for invocant of type 'Int'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
moritz m: say Buf.new(0xFE, 0xFF).decode('utf8-c8').ords.map(*.base(16))
camelia (10FFFD 78 46 45 10FFFD 78 46 46)
moritz so it seems utf8-c8 produces \x[10FFFD] + 3 characters for every input byte it didn't understand 14:07
mornfall I think it's the regex engine that is unhappy
moritz m: say Buf.new(0xFE, 0xFF).decode('utf8-c8').subst(:g, /\x[10FFFD] .../, '') 14:08
camelia 􏿽xFE􏿽xFF
moritz huh 14:09
mornfall something something probably the grapheme-based representation biting me in the ass :\
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jnthn Yes, the bytes that are in error are turned into synthetic graphemes, so that if you encode with utf8-c8 again it can round-trip them 14:10
mornfall have to go, will deal with it later (thanks for looking)
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jnthn You could probably do something like /:m \x[10FFFD]/ which matches the grapheme with that base char 14:11
mornfall jnthn: yeah, but i would like to just deal with them some other way (this ends up being uploaded into a database somewhere and I don't want non-utf-8 junk in it)
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moritz then deal with it :) 14:35
mornfall well, it's easier said than done :p i'll look if i can destroy it by going utf8-c8 dec → utf8 enc → kill bad stuff in Buf → utf8 dec 14:38
but a walkie first 14:39
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moritz m: say Buf.new(65, 0xFE, 0xFF, 65).decode('utf8-c8').subst(:g, /:m \x[10FFFD]/, '') 14:52
camelia A􏿽xFE􏿽xFFA
moritz m: say Buf.new(65, 0xFE, 0xFF, 65).decode('utf8-c8').subst(:g, /:m \x[10FFFD]/, '(removed)') 14:55
camelia A􏿽xFE􏿽xFFA
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add link to Wordpress help
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tbrowder unless anyone sees problems with my draft advent article here: github.com/tbrowder/Perl6-Advent/b...8-12-04.md 15:36
i i can publish it as needed if 1 dec (or 2 or 3) is not ready (given sufficient warning, i'm at UTC -6) 15:38
[Coke] tbrowder: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/src/Perl6/ is a 404 15:39
otherwise +1 15:41
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loops tbrowder: looks good. Will be great to have those NYI features! 15:58
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camelia AXXA
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mornfall moritz: I think the issue is that the whole \x[10FFFD]xHH sequence comes out as a single grapheme 16:15
since it's classified as Private_Use it is probably to just axe it that way 16:16
it is probably safe*
moritz tbrowder: shouldn't it be make $val; instead of just make; ? 16:17
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tbrowder moritz: thanks, so corrected 17:41
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tbrowder [Coke]: so corrected, thnx 17:44
loops: does that intro para read a bit better now? 17:51
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loops tbrowder: yeah, that's better 17:53
pmurias SmokeMachine: do you have a wishlist of stuff you want for rakudo.js/6pad?
yoleaux 02:07Z <SmokeMachine> pmurias: I can be wrong, but I think this is the first "todo app" written in perl6 using memoized dom for the browser! :) perl6.github.io/6pad/?#60b7cb15e67...04d1a5a1d1
tbrowder ok, don't be shy if you want to be specific about changes 17:54
SmokeMachine pmurias: real line number on errors 17:55
pmurias: `use` for custom modules 17:56
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SmokeMachine pmurias: clean the namespace for each "run" 17:56
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SmokeMachine .tell pmurias real line number on errors; `use` custom modules; clean the namespace for each "run". From the top of my head... that's it 17:58
yoleaux SmokeMachine: I'll pass your message to pmurias.
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jjmerelo squashable6: status 18:01
squashable6 jjmerelo, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈17 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
jjmerelo, Log and stats: gist.github.com/bfc5ad311623761969...b232ab8253
jjmerelo Anyone up for squashing bugs?
sena_kun writes posts for Advent 18:02
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kensanata jjmerelo: As in, the 542 failing new tests for p6-markdown? :) 18:04
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pmurias SmokeMachine: thank you, wrote that down 18:05
yoleaux 17:58Z <SmokeMachine> pmurias: real line number on errors; `use` custom modules; clean the namespace for each "run". From the top of my head... that's it
jjmerelo kensanata: he
Actually, the squashathon is focused on perl6/doc and related tools.
sena_kun++
kensanata: I don't really know what to make of that. 18:06
On one hand, p6-markdown would be better rewritten. The implementation is LTA
kensanata: Im pretty sure that, with the current implementation, we will still fail 500 of those 542 tests. To pass the rest, a complete rewrite would be much better 18:07
kensanata: so probably the best thing would be to fork, use whatever is usable from this implementation, but release a new module that's able to pass all those tests. 18:08
kensanata Yeah. 18:09
jjmerelo: I have an empty implementation that fails *all* the tests. :) 18:10
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jjmerelo kensanata: a few is definitely better than none. But it's way above my pay grade to rewrite it, either with grammars or porting some existing module (in Perl, for instance). 18:12
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sena_kun markdown doesn't have a nice grammar, this is why implementing it is a "life is pain" situation. 18:15
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kensanata I am still hoping that CommonMark is better than the Daring Fireball. 18:15
jjmerelo sena_kun: right. I started with that module, I added a few stuff I needed for my book, but even doing that was a pain. 18:16
kensanata One benefit is that they have over 600 tests that are easy to run.
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jjmerelo kensanata: it would be great for perl6 to have that kind of thing. 18:16
sena_kun hmm, I see some articles.
jjmerelo Only, well, we do have to do it
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Explain how gather/take works with hashes

Fixes #2479.		 18:18
squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by kensanata++! ♥
jjmerelo kensanata++
kensanata Yikes, I'm not used to bots watching my every move. 18:19
jjmerelo: a quick review? 18:20
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jjmerelo kensanata: which I did. Looks fine. :-) 18:22
pmurias SmokeMachine: thank you for being an early adopter, I'll try to solve at least some of those issues after I fix by fake-running-of-rakudo.js-in-the-browser features that's required for a lot of tests 18:25
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Explain how gather/take works with hashes

Fixes #2479.		 18:26
synopsebot_ Link: doc.perl6.org/language/control
squashable6 🍕 kensanata++ closed issue “gather/take for hashes”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2479
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kensanata I'm looking at github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2388 and reading through the IRC conversation and I don't know what to say about that. Any ideas of what the docs ought to say? 18:27
jjmerelo tbrowder: do we need to post the markdown to a gist? Do we do that in order to capture the HTML or something? Will plain git do?
tbrowder jjmerelo, I put more details on what can be done if Zoffix's Acme::Advent::Highlighter fails 18:29
jjmerelo kensanata: Well, that example might help. Some recursive example too. Anything would be better, I guess.
kensanata: come to think of it, a better example with a real use case is always better. But if we can't come up with one, that one might be enough 18:30
tbrowder see github.com/perl6/advent/blob/maste...IBUTING.md
kensanata I also noticed that I solved the only issue tagged "easy to resolve". We need more issues with that tag.
tbrowder it would be nice to pin the advent repo in place of the ecosystem (which I thought we were replacing with CPAN!!) 18:31
jjmerelo tbrowder: I just added a "search" slot to the advent calendar web site 18:34
kensanata: the ones related to format and page structure are easy too...
tbrowder: let me see if I understand what you mean by pinning...
tbrowder pinning: witg github you can "pin" up to 6 repos to be highlighted on the main page 18:35
currently perl6 shows: nqp, doc, roast, modules.perl6.org, ecosystem, and perl6.org 18:37
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tbrowder i suggest replacing ecosystem with advent 18:38
kensanata jjmerelo: I'm looking at the tag "good first issue" and haven't found any good first issues. For example github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1945 – shouldn't we close this?
jjmerelo: After all, you suggested closign it in Sept. :)
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jjmerelo Yep, but the problem is I don't really know if there are some left. 18:39
Just a short time ago I found some Strange Capitalization
The right thing to do would be to prepare a test for it, whitelisting stuff in some cases. It shouldn't be too hard to extract =head? and look for capitals outside the first word 18:40
Boils down to: I wouldn't close it until I'm sure it should be closes, and I'm not going to be sure until a tests says so. If it ain't tested, it's broken. 18:41
kensanata I think finding what the problem actually is makes such an issue not a "good first issue". Another example in this category is this one: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1923 – I don't even understand how to find the problem. I ran a find . -type f -exec egrep --color -nHi -e "pod[ \r\n\t]+6" {} + and didn't find anyhting related... so problem solved?
jjmerelo: OK, that makes sense.
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SmokeMachine pmurias: thank you for doing rakudo.js and 6pad! It's unbelievable how well it's doing! 19:01
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SmokeMachine pmurias: what's the fake-running-of-rakudo.js-in-the-browser? 19:03
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pmurias SmokeMachine: in roast a &is_run sub is called a lot, which starts a new rakudo process and runs a bit of code with it 19:17
SmokeMachine: we can't start new processes in the browser so I need to fake it somehow
timotimo .o( could use service workers ) 19:18
web workers*
SmokeMachine pmurias: would it be a crazy idea to use workers?
timotimo: you stole my idea! :P 19:19
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SmokeMachine pmurias: and maybe 6pad could compile the code into a worker too... 19:23
in a
kensanata What would be a good way to generate a regular expression that allows me to strip all class and role names from a string? I'm trying to verify that this sentence is correctly capitalized, for example: "Error while trying to coerce a number to a Real type". I was thinking of removing "Real" before checking. 19:29
timotimo you can just use .trans for that
mornfall btw... is it me or is perl6 (rakudo on moar) somewhat slow? 19:30
timotimo m: "Error with Foobar and Barbaz".trans(["Error", "Foobar", "Barbaz"] => ["", "", ""]).say
camelia with and
timotimo mornfall: it can be; usually there's very simple changes that lets your code run 100x faster or so
moritz mornfall: depends very much on what you do with it
mornfall the compiler takes a while (read script startup), but the runtime isn't exactly speedy either :\
hmm, any pointers to further reading? 19:31
kensanata timotimo: I'm not sure I understand. I already have a test: $title !~~ $title.lc.tc – what I'm lacking is a way to exclude all known class and role names from this test.
timotimo mornfall: can you give us an example? also, how long does script compilation take for you? you can check by invoking perl6 with --stagestats
also, if you're on a system that's not supported by moarvm's jit (like 32bit x86, or arm, powerpc, ...) then you'll also not have the fastest executions, either 19:32
mornfall the only thing that pops up is Stage parse : 0.561 19:33
it's about 150 lines and uses a few modules (HTTP::UserAgent, XML::Tiny, Algorithm::Diff)
timotimo: does it depend on the OS too, or is it the CPU arch only that matters? 19:34
says here This is MoarVM version 2018.10 built with JIT support
timotimo ah, yeah, because calling convention differs at the very least between linux and windows
sounds like a good start
mornfall NVM_JIT_DISABLE adds about 35% to stage parse, and about 23% to total cpu time 19:36
so I guess it's JITting all right
timotimo that's good
Xliff Is there a site for 6pad?
timotimo moarvm has a built-in profiler; you can either just --profile and it'll spit out an html file you can open that'll turn into a little "web app", or you can --profile --profile-filename=foobar.sql and feed that into the glorious moarperf program: github.com/timo/moarperf/ 19:37
the "just an html file" has some shortcomings, like poor performance for complex programs, and not doing much with multi-threaded programs
but at least you don't have to run an extra program
anyway, i've gotta go AFK for a bit
find more info about moarperf on my blog: wakelift.de/ :) 19:38
mornfall thanks, will check it out
(already doing a trial run with --profile)
umm, both chromium and firefox kinda fail to render the html :\ 19:41
okay it eventually rendered, but the browsers seriously struggle 19:42
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tbrowder i have to leave, is the first advent article going through? 19:42
*leave soon 19:43
SmokeMachine Xliff: perl6.github.io/6pad/ 19:44
Xliff NM. perl6.github.io/6pad/
SmokeMachine: LOL!
SmokeMachine++
SmokeMachine Xliff: :)
Xliff: and if you want to take a look at my new project: perl6.github.io/6pad/#ada3d7e0a425...426a97039f 19:45
tobs m: say "Error while trying to coerce a number to a Real type".words.tail(*-1).grep({ .self eq .tc }).grep({ Nil R~~ try ::($_) })
camelia ()
tobs m: say "Error while trying to Coerce a number to a Real type".words.tail(*-1).grep({ .self eq .tc }).grep({ Nil R~~ try ::($_) }) 19:46
camelia (Coerce)
tobs kensanata: ^ but of course it's prone to false negatives
mornfall having to install node.js for moarperf makes me somewhat unhappy :| 19:47
tobs m: say "Real Cool Bag".words.tail(*-1).grep({ .self eq .tc }).grep({ Nil R~~ try ::($_) }) 19:48
camelia ()
Kaiepi lol this issue github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2510 19:54
thread
same
Geth advent: uzluisf++ created pull request #5:
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The article can be found here: gist.github.com/uzluisf/268a95ffec...254a3971d1		 19:57
advent: 537f6a1ac0 | (Will Coleda)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | perl6advent-2018/schedule
Merge pull request #5 from uzluisf/master

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leont Oh right. Advent article, still need to claim a date (are they still available?) and write it 20:02
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sena_kun leont, 8th is available. :) 20:02
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kensanata m: say "Unsigned Integer (arbitrary-precision)".words.grep({ .self eq .tc }).grep({ Nil R~~ try ::($_) }) 20:03
camelia (Unsigned Integer (arbitrary-precision))
kensanata m: say "Unsigned Integer".words.grep({ .self eq .tc }).grep({ Nil R~~ try ::($_) }) 20:04
camelia (Unsigned Integer)
kensanata tobs: I've stumbled upon Integer... That isn't a class? 20:05
lucasb Int? :) 20:06
uzl My draft article for P6 Advent (25th): gist.github.com/uzluisf/268a95ffec...254a3971d1 . Any proofreading (not necessarily now) would be appreciated.
kensanata lucasb: Yeah.
uzl m: 3 Rmod 7 20:07
camelia Potential difficulties:
Useless use of Rmod in sink context
at <tmp>:1
------> 033 7⏏5Rmod 7
uzl m: say 3 Rmod 7
camelia 1
kensanata My test for sentence capitalization of the docs still has 46 fails out of 375. I wonder how I should proceed, now.
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squashable6 🍕 kensanata++ wrote a comment on commit c6caf049649a: github.com/perl6/doc/commit/c6caf0...t-31519095 20:20
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prefer IRC #perl6 nickname
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squashable6 🍕 JJ++ wrote a comment on commit c6caf049649a: github.com/perl6/doc/commit/c6caf0...t-31519130
mornfall MoarVM panic: Unable to allocate memory for callback closure
===> Testing [FAIL]: IO::Socket::Async::SSL:ver<0.7.1>
tbrowder .ask tmtvl are you going to be able to publish on time?
yoleaux tbrowder: I'll pass your message to tmtvl.
mornfall :( I bumped the memory limit to 5GiB, but that doesn't seem to be the problem? 20:25
maybe it ran out of stack? *tries* 20:26
sena_kun has a ready blog post
Though I am sure a grammar check won't hurt. 20:27
mornfall nope, 30MiB of stack space didn't help either :( 20:28
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pmurias SmokeMachine: as a temporary measure before the redeclaration is fix using 'my class Foo {...}' instead of 'class Foo {...}' helps 20:34
SmokeMachine pmurias: hum! that makes sense! thanks! 20:35
Geth doc/features/kensanata/test-for-capitalization: 8399f8671f | (Alex Schroeder)++ | t/08-headings.t
More exceptions for header capitalization
squashable6 🍕 kensanata++ wrote a comment on commit c6caf049649a: github.com/perl6/doc/commit/c6caf0...t-31519244
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mornfall hmm, the crash is somewhere within libffi... not good :\ 20:37
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on commit c6caf049649a: github.com/perl6/doc/commit/c6caf0...t-31519290 20:40
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by AlexDaniel++! ♥
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mornfall oh my bad 20:47
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squashable6 🍕 Skarsnik++ opened issue “Searching Str should poi…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2484 20:48
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by Skarsnik++! ♥
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mornfall okay rebuilding moar with libffi helped, it was dyncall that was failing 20:51
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mornfall whoever is responsible for rakudo star, it might be a good idea to change the default on openbsd to be libffi? the rakudo star i got out of the box was crippled some :\ 20:52
Geth doc/features/kensanata/test-for-capitalization: 7850cd093f | (Alex Schroeder)++ | t/08-headings.t
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Fix capitalization in various titles
squashable6 🍕 kensanata++ wrote a comment on commit c6caf049649a: github.com/perl6/doc/commit/c6caf0...t-31519430 20:54
AlexDaniel mornfall: open a ticket!
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mornfall where? :) 20:55
AlexDaniel mornfall: github.com/rakudo/star/
squashable6: status
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈15 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
mornfall hmm github... i'll have to fix notification mails from that :\ but i can file a ticket, sure
squashable6 AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/6baefe827d64d2c760...2a5dca90a5
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AlexDaniel kensanata: ↑ with that rate you can definitely win :) 20:55
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tbrowder Wordpress is not very friendly--I finally got my post scheduled for 0001 UTC, 4 dec--fingers crossed 20:56
kensanata AlexDaniel: Should have made each capitalization a separate commit...
tbrowder i can always bump to earlier date now fairly easy if needed
AlexDaniel kensanata: we look into the content of commits :P
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kensanata A fix is a fix, no matter how small! 20:57
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kensanata We should use Levenstein distance or something... 20:57
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AlexDaniel Zoffix: where is huggable? We need some pizza 20:58
mornfall AlexDaniel: firefox crashed submitting the issue :( it's cursed 20:59
AlexDaniel kensanata: btw check other xt tickets: github.com/perl6/doc/issues?q=is%3...label%3Axt 21:00
kensanata: especially this one: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2306
you'd be surprised how many broken pages we have
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mornfall oh but it got opened... #127 21:00
AlexDaniel well, broken markup that is 21:01
mornfall: \o/
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kensanata yay for more tickets 21:02
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kensanata AlexDaniel: I think I'm done with these issues but I'll remember the xt label. That does seem to be the kind of thing I can work on. :) 21:02
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mornfall tickets up, tickets down, but i can go back to installing moarperf :p 21:03
though it's kinda late for shaving yaks
AlexDaniel kensanata: you sure? D#2306 looks fun and extremely useful 21:06
synopsebot_ D#2306 [open]: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2306 [xt] xt test for missing C in C<> (and let's use a whitelist for doc text)
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AlexDaniel kensanata: it's basically just a check that rendered text doesn't have any weird characters 21:07
tbrowder one question about the perl 6 wordpress: is the time i see in the schedule editor UTC or my local time?
AlexDaniel so alphanumerics, spaces, dots, commas, semicolons, colons and parens are fine, everything else should be banned I think 21:08
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kensanata AlexDaniel: Totally, I agree. It's just that I'm tired and feel like not working on Perl 6 right now. :)
AlexDaniel kensanata: sure, sure, no pressure. Last time though we had some issues determining the winner… *hint* *hint* *hint* *hint* :) 21:10
btw I'm not sure how code blocks are filtered out, but I guess other tests have that implemented somehow 21:11
kensanata haha
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mornfall i'm wondering if a college course on perl6 is a thing that'd make sense 21:15
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AlexDaniel depends on the goals of the course I think 21:18
lucasb i.imgur.com/zPDPai3.png <-- camelia at top right
I think I don't like it... any objections to removing it from there?
mornfall AlexDaniel: teach the language, practice programming 21:19
AlexDaniel lucasb: file a ticket! It was added on purpose, so maybe there are reasons for keeping it there
.tell lizmat you win the bet, btw :D 21:20
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
mornfall i imagine it'd be 12 exercises in 3 blocks, some text processing, some async work... maybe do something on grammars (i teach python and the middle block is number crunching, not so appropriate for raku, i suppose) 21:22
the kids generally have some programming experience, but they probably never touched anything perl
kensanata mornfall: at the Swiss Perl Workshop one of the organizers had a course at a vocational college where he used Perl. As far as I remember, it was basically a securit course. A web app written in Perl, and over the semester the students tried to hack it, without knowing any Perl. It being Perl just made it even more exciting, I think. 21:24
AlexDaniel mornfall: oh, that. Maybe. There are other cases when using raku is perhaps more clearly justified, for example if you want to discuss different paradigms without switching the languages too much 21:25
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mornfall kensanata: our security courses somehow try to teach people how to use openssl in C at a time where they barely can write a C program that is not full of buffer overflows :( 21:25
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AlexDaniel kensanata: btw will you submit it as a PR? 21:26
kensanata mornfall: Haha. In that course, it was the reverse: they had to find and exploit a SQL injection in the login form as one of the first steps. That teaches you about SQL injection and about intrusion.
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kensanata AlexDaniel: sure 21:27
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mornfall AlexDaniel: a course on paradigms is about to be resurrected, but it's not my department and it's probably going to get exercises in C# (not my first choice) 21:27
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AlexDaniel mornfall: btw, where are you from? 21:28
mornfall AlexDaniel: .cz
(fi.muni.cz to be specific, though probably don't look at the website, the english version is google translate /o\)
Geth doc: kensanata++ created pull request #2485:
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squashable6 🍕 kensanata++ opened pull request “Added test for consisten header capitalization”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2485
🍕 AlexDaniel++ requested a review on pull request “Added test for consisten header capitalization”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/2485
AlexDaniel mornfall: it really depends I think. If that's a course where people learn some basics, then I guess most expect it to be about some mainstream language (like python, or java, or c++, …) 21:32
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mornfall sure, those are all on offer, but so are C#/.NET, Ruby, some R
and Haskell and bits of Prolog
AlexDaniel Prolog \o/
mornfall (a lot of Haskell actually)
ML is sadly missing, and I don't think there's anything Scheme/Racket or LISP in general either 21:35
pmurias mornfall: so Perl 6 would be a part of a dabble in a bunch of languages style course or have it's own 21:36
?
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mornfall also all our electronic teaching agenda is perl5, with 30+k users, but there isn't a single course on perl5 AFAICT 21:37
pmurias mornfall: I learned Prolog at uni too
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mornfall pmurias: no, those are all standalone courses 21:37
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mornfall (also a good chunk of the workforce that maintains that glob of perl5 is students) 21:37
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AlexDaniel mornfall: fwiw jjmerelo is also in academia, so consider talking to them too (if you haven't already, I haven't backlogged recently) 21:39
mornfall will do (i think they are busy trying to win the plushie tho :p) 21:41
jnthn mornfall: Masarykova Uni is in Brno? Did you go to any of the Brno.pm meetups?
jnthn was at one of those earlier in the year... :) 21:42
pmurias mornfall: if the students are writing Perl 5 and are interested in Perl 6 the course might make sense
mornfall: forcing them to use it (if it's a mandatory one) doesn't seem that good
mornfall jnthn: yes, Brno, and no, wasn't... i'm not a very sociable person :p 21:43
jnthn :)
mornfall pmurias: the mandatory ones are C, C++, Java and Haskell (you can get out of Java or C++ by taking up more math)... the rest is mostly optional
pmurias mornfall: seems like you should talk to students if they would be interested in it 21:44
mornfall pmurias: students are mostly interested in getting through the college with the least amount of effort possible :p 21:45
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pmurias mornfall: really? at our uni there where people even taking harder courses because they where more interesting or even sometimes taking an "elite" harder version of something 21:47
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pmurias mornfall: it's a hard question of what do you want to teach them. Even choosing if you want to teach computer science or programming is big choice 21:50
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pmurias mornfall: if you want something super practical it seems JavaScript is missing from the curiculum ;) 21:55
[Coke] .seen brrt 21:56
yoleaux I saw brrt 26 Nov 2018 21:40Z in #moarvm: <brrt> as I am learning the hard way
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mornfall pmurias: yeah, i'm not teaching javascript :p there's a webdev course though, i think? i know nothing about it 21:59
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hythm_ I'm getting this error when using SDL2::Raw.SDL_LoadBMP, "can not locate symbol SDL_LoadBMP in native library libSDL2.so" 22:05
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hythm_ I'm sure i have libsdl2 installed 22:06
Code: gist.github.com/hythm7/a737d61c523...bee46178bb 22:12
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jnthn hythm_: Sometimes the -dev package for the library is also needed 22:15
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hythm_ jnthn: the dev package is installed as well. Im running ubuntu and reinstalled perl6 one hour ago, so i think i have latest perl6 22:18
I will also try to run from my home desktop later today, it has different distro 22:19
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SmokeMachine pmurias: isn’t there any kind of pollyfill to add bigint to the other browsers? 22:32
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mornfall apparently, i'm spending all my time in subst 22:43
(yeah, i got moarperf up after some fiddling with DBDish::SQLite...) 22:44
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pmurias SmokeMachine: I'm not using native bigints anymore for the time being 22:47
SmokeMachine: 6pad/rakudo.js already supports firefox
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SmokeMachine pmurias: I mostly use safari... :( 22:50
mornfall so i would like to try changinng foo.subst().subst().subst() to using s,,, but apparently my Str is immutable? 22:51
tbrowder ah, set desired time zone in Wordpress general settings
mornfall oh this is on the faq, apparently 22:52
pmurias blogs.perl.org/users/pawel_murias/2...pport.html 22:53
mornfall ok but this means i can't use s,,, to speed up a chain of .subst calls 22:54
pmurias SmokeMachine: I don't think I have a way to even run Safari 22:55
SmokeMachine: do you have any idea what's causing problems on it?
mornfall but really, what's wrong with subst? 22:56
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pmurias SmokeMachine: did you trying using 6pad recently under safari? 22:59
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SmokeMachine pmurias: yes... under safari and under Safari Technology Preview 23:00
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pmurias SmokeMachine: maybe you could paste console logs and I can look tommorow and maybe it's something polyfillable 23:02
SmokeMachine pmurias: and that works on chrome under android but not on chrome under iOS (it uses safari engine) 23:03
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SmokeMachine pmurias: sure! I’ll do that as soon as I come home... 23:04
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timotimo mornfall: i want to distribute the pre-built javascript with moarperf, but i don't really want to put it into the github repo :/ 23:09
at least node.js is only a compile-time dependency
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mornfall timotimo: any idea what to do about .subst() being slow? i already got rid of the regexes where they were superfluous, but subst just seems to be really slow 23:09
timotimo i wasn't able to backlog enough %)
mornfall yeah node.js wasn't such a big deal in the end
timotimo subst has many forms; can you use it without an actual regex?
mornfall okay i think --profile might be lying to me 23:10
timotimo it's possible under some circumstances; what are you seeing?
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timotimo oh, hm, i wonder if the moarperf you got is compatible with the profiles 2018.10 spits out 23:11
mornfall let me re-do the profile just in case
timotimo i haven't spent much time making them backward-compatible yet, though i really should
mornfall timotimo: not entirely, it's complaining about a missing table...
timotimo oh, and the problem in libffi probably isn't running out of stack space, but trying to make a piece of stack executable 23:12
surely the error message could point that out, but so far the program has always crashed immediately on startup if execstack isn't allowed on the system
i.e. "tried to load a library that wants executable stack" 23:13
mornfall timotimo: libffi actually works, it's dyncall that's borked
timotimo: i rebuilt moar with libffi and it's okay now
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timotimo sorry, wrong way around, then 23:13
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mornfall timotimo: noted that down in rakudo star github, #127 (so that someone can flip the default if possible) 23:14
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mornfall (the rakudo port uses libffi too, and many other ports do, so that is presumably fixed to not execute stack; the rakudo port is old though and rather bare-bones, so i went for star) 23:15
timotimo it'd probably be two or three lines of change in the spooky scary buildsystem
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mornfall anyhow, subst, calling it less often on bigger strings (i.e. moving it before .lines) helped some but i guess i hit a limit on that ... removing it altogether doesn't make much of a difference 23:16
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mornfall but i don't know what the times in --profile mean... they are absolute times, but don't seem to correspond to either runtime without --profile or runtime with --profile 23:17
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timotimo are they extremely high numbers? 23:18
mornfall it said 5s spent in subst, which was about how long the program ran so i mis-read the profile
timotimo like billions of seconds?
mornfall i have seen that happen before, but not anymore
timotimo the overview page ought to tell you how long it took in total; there's a difference between inclusive and exclusive time, too
mornfall dunno what changed (i nuked all .sqlite3 files and started over)
oh the overview page doesn't work :\ 23:19
timotimo and if you're multithreaded you can get up to cores x runtime in total
mornfall only 'routines' does
timotimo a casualty of version mismatch, surely
mornfall DBDish::SQLite: Error: no such column: first_entry_time (1) ... yeah, version mismatch presumably
timotimo maybe try reverting moarperf to a state around 2018.10's release date
it'll have less nice in the UI, sadly
mornfall i can rebuild moar from master if it's reasonably stable 23:20
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timotimo though we only just released 2018.11 last week; it's only a rakudo compiler release, not a rakudo star release, though 23:20
so it won't immediately come with zef and such 23:21
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mornfall is the bytecode compatible? (i.e. can i dump 2018.11 compiler over 2018.10 star and expect it to work?) 23:21
anyway, my top routine in the profile is now match
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timotimo no, but if you have installed stuff, it'll recompile from the installed source 23:22
sorted by inclusive or exclusive time?
allcaps match? i.e. MATCH?
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mornfall exclusive... i don't have my own routines to speak of 23:22
timotimo right
mornfall i think? it went berserk
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timotimo i'm compiling a 2018.10 on the side and maybe i can make moarperf understand that version 23:23
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mornfall no it's match minuscule letters inclusive 23:23
timotimo OK
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mornfall almost all calls come from SETTING::Str and/or SETTING::Cool 23:24
timotimo right
mornfall the program only has 78 entries into match, assuming i read this correctly
timotimo hm, the call graph tab also doesn't work? 23:25
mornfall no, same problem as overview (no such column: first_entry_time)
but a good chunk of match's time seems to actually come from subst 23:26
i'll nuke the subst and rerun the profile
match is unfazed and the remaining entries are from SETTING::Cool 23:27
timotimo basically everything in Cool just dispatches to something else, after perhaps doing a coercion 23:28
mornfall (also 1.6s is slurp, which seems like a lot, but i am slurping many small files, so the overhead probably adds up)
timotimo like when you call 12345.chars it'll first coerce to Str
how many, and how big?
mornfall about 1500 files, under 100 bytes on average? 23:29
timotimo ah, i see 23:30
yeah, probably some overhead to that :|
mornfall i run a regex match on each of the filenames, which is probably most of the match time
timotimo ah, can very well be 23:32
when you expand the routine, does the "callers" tab work? or "paths"?
mornfall okay this is interesting, there are actually 2 matches, one of them was an instance doable with .ends-with, using that instead seems to have made a significant difference 23:34
callers work, so do callees
and now also paths (that seemed borked before, but it renders something that looks like the intended thing now?) 23:35
some of the matches ar in split, that only happens about a dozen times or so, not interesting...
timotimo it's an... interesting implementation of rendering a tree that i ... came up with
mornfall the remaining matches on filenames are probably responsible 23:36
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timotimo yeah, starts-with and contains and friends are faster than regex matches by a huge margin 23:37
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Zoffix .pizza AlexDaniel 23:37
buggable: AlexDaniel
huggable: AlexDaniel
huggable Zoffix, nothing found
mornfall i don't have an obvious way of removing them, but i guess i'm okay with the result for now
buggable New CPAN upload: cro-core-0.8.0.tar.gz by JNTHN modules.perl6.org/dist/Cro::Core:cpan:JNTHN
New CPAN upload: cro-http-0.8.0.tar.gz by JNTHN modules.perl6.org/dist/Cro::HTTP:cpan:JNTHN 23:38
New CPAN upload: cro-tls-0.8.0.tar.gz by JNTHN modules.perl6.org/dist/Cro::TLS:cpan:JNTHN
New CPAN upload: cro-websocket-0.8.0.tar.gz by JNTHN modules.perl6.org/dist/Cro::WebSocket:cpan:JNTHN
AlexDaniel buggable: pizza Zoffix
buggable Zoffix, enjoy this slice of Margherita pizza, my friend! Yummy 🍕
New CPAN upload: cro-0.8.0.tar.gz by JNTHN modules.perl6.org/dist/cro:cpan:JNTHN
New CPAN upload: cro-zeromq-0.8.0.tar.gz by JNTHN modules.perl6.org/dist/Cro::ZeroMQ:cpan:JNTHN
New CPAN upload: Algorithm-LDA-0.0.1.tar.gz by TITSUKI modules.perl6.org/dist/Algorithm::L...an:TITSUKI
New CPAN upload: Algorithm-LDA-0.0.2.tar.gz by TITSUKI modules.perl6.org/dist/Algorithm::L...an:TITSUKI
AlexDaniel Zoffix: thank you!
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timotimo i'd love to see the code, but in general, yeah our regexes are frustratingly slow sometimes 23:39
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timotimo might be able to parallelize with .hyper ;) 23:39
mornfall oh, i failed to notice that i'm using dir's test with a regex... making it a block that uses .ends-with helped some more 23:40
timotimo ah, nice
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timotimo yeah, it'll call that rather often, i'm sure 23:40
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mornfall timotimo: sprunge.us/LJQ9Se this is the current version (sadly, the program isn't much use without data, which i can't share) 23:42
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timotimo make parsing the program faster by removing "use strict;" :D 23:42
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mornfall (the exit in the middle is because i was mostly interested in profiling the first part) 23:43
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timotimo ah 23:43
exit tends to cause the profiler to see these billions of seconds results
you could turn that .split( /\: / ) into .split(": ") and it'll even be correcter 23:44
mornfall interesting... it wasn't too happy about the program waiting for network though
timotimo (since space in regex is no longer significant)
mornfall oh, damn :) good catch
though yeah, that only runs like 12 times 23:45
timotimo if the filenames are very regular, the $date, $pid split could be made easier, too
mornfall (correctness is good of course even if it's only 12 times :p)
timotimo and instead of s,\n$,, i'd probably .chomp 23:46
that's likely a whole lot faster, too
maybe even consider $_.=chomp for %new.values 23:47
instead of going through the keys like that
m: my %foo = <hello world how areyou good daytoyou>; $_ .= uc for %foo.values; say %foo.perl 23:48
camelia {:good("DAYTOYOU"), :hello("WORLD"), :how("AREYOU")}
timotimo that's not a performance, thing, though. well, it could be, but only barely
mornfall .=chomp for %new.values; # this seems to work, nice 23:50
timotimo ah, i wasn't sure if it would work without an explicit $_ in front 23:51
glad to see it does
.=foo is one of the really cool syntactical sugars in perl6, IMO
may i interest you in a sub MAIN? :)
mornfall yeah i have seen it mentioned but didn't think of that
timotimo: well, i'll clean the whole thing up eventually, i just started on perl6 today :p did like two 5-line scripts earlier 23:52
timotimo oh, cool
mornfall %form is unsightly and all that 23:53
oh, actually not true, i started yesterday with a react thing
that was fun too :p
timotimo with %form { .<operance> = 'blok-pis-student-obsah'; .<uco> = $pid; ... } could be of interest?
well, really you'd use "given" since it's not supposed to be an "if"-like 23:54
mornfall okay, i was wondering if i can maybe subscript the topic variable :) 23:55
timotimo yup!
tbrowder jjmerelo: need some admin help for p6 wordpress
timotimo m: $_ = 5; .++; .say
camelia 6
timotimo you can even postfix operators
tbrowder moritz: can you help with p6 wordpress admin? 23:56
mornfall (text_diff is also a mess, but i wanted to make the thing operational...)
tbrowder any p6 wordpress admin around? 23:57
timotimo unless $pid changes often, i'd probably bind %new{$pid} into a local variable
mornfall (either way, i think it's feasible that i re-do the rest of the tools in raku as time permits... i really like the language)
timotimo tbrowder: le moi
mornfall bind as in :=?
timotimo yes
then assignment to the variable will land in the hash
mornfall it doesn't change often, but it's hard to tell whether it did or not since it's re-matched from the filename 23:58
timotimo that's fair
tbrowder can you change time settings so it clearly shows utc and 24-hour time format? that will help clarify advent publishing schedule
timotimo oh, um
i haven't a single clue how i would do that 23:59
tbrowder go to admn, settings, general and time settings should be there
timotimo oh, there it is
mornfall wordpress :(

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