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Set by audreyt on 26 June 2006.
cwest hrm, seems I need Pugs::Safe::safe_readline and Pugs::Safe::safe_getc 00:35
In order to run an interactive shell in safe mode
cwest wanders back to the hackathon room to find audreyt... 00:37
mauke she's here in the corner :-) 00:38
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svnbot6 r11005 | fglock++ | v6.pm - moose-2.pl seems to compiles correctly (is Point) - but it looks different from audreyt slides 00:49
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cwest So eval() in pugs defines a new scope, which is different from perl5's idea of eval(). 01:00
This makes me sad. :-(
mauke how is it different? 01:01
bpphillips cwest: I think perl5 does the same thing: perl -le 'eval q(my $foo = 1); print $foo;' # prints nothing 01:07
cwest oh yes, you're right 01:09
properly declared variables are, of course, only existant in eval scope
bpphillips cwest: are you still working on the interactive web shell thing that you were contemplating earlier?
cwest yes 01:10
bpphillips could you accumulate the user's commands and evaluate the entire program for each command they submit?
bpphillips .o0{thinking that's not what you want...}
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cwest right, not what I want. 01:11
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mugwump dduncan: nice post, I replied 01:24
dduncan hello 01:25
yes, I'd really like to see those promised Set and Mapping implemented yesterday
checking email ...
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dduncan reading done; thanks for your reply 01:36
you mention parametric roles ... do the Synopsis already mention such things somewhere?
I used the term 'subset' because I considered that every valid value of the type I was declaring was a valid value of the base type ... eg, they are all valid Str or Set or Mapping 01:37
also, the parameters seemed to be shorthand for 'where' syntax 01:38
eg, "Set{Bar}" is shorthand for "Set where { all(.members).does(Bar) }" 01:39
except perhaps the former is easier to optimize away at compile time
I happened to mix both versions in my examples
mugwump, I would appreciate if you look at the ext/Relation/ I'm starting to rewrite and give feedback on the new parts at the top (the new parts are not commented out in a pod block) 01:40
of course, said class is intended to model things I would like built-in, whether they are built over your Collection or something else matters little, as long as they're easy to define and use 01:41
note in particular that the definition of a Heading is structurally recursive ... 01:42
mugwump sighs as svn makes an operation that should take seconds take hours
dduncan a heading is a set of zero or more attributes, and an attribute may possibly be a Heading itself
mugwump yes, parametric roles have at least one line somewhere
dduncan though it would be a different Heading
mugwump :)
it confused me at first that only roles would be parametric, then I thought about it again and realised it was almost a tautology 01:43
dduncan said recursion essentially permits formal definitions of specific hierarchies
reduced to a plain Set, it is like parameterizing a Set to say that its members must be of type Set of Str, or something 01:44
or like we see Array of Array of ...
but in the case of a Tuple or Relation, each attribute there of can be a different type, some other tuples or relations, others not 01:45
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dduncan the reason the heading is recursive is that the main Heading definition specifies what Headings the attributes can have too, rather than any-old one 01:45
mugwump your "Heading" is still the role parameters 01:46
dduncan pretty much
but Perl's built-ins seemed to inspecific 01:47
mugwump you can get the role parameters via .meta (or should be able to)
dduncan the basic idea is that with a Relation, every Tuple therein needs to have the same set of attributes, with corresponding attributes being of the same type 01:48
mugwump so, assuming that there is both a Set class and a Set role,
"Relation" is a Collection subtype
dduncan the Heading declares what parts must be in common and/or restrictions for everything 01:49
yes
mugwump where the type parameters are defined
dduncan as you define Collection, Relation would be a subtype thereof
mugwump exactly. what it adds is that conformance of types
dduncan however, the Synopsis don't contain Collection, so I'm currently defining it in terms of what it does mention
if you can get your Collection proposal endorsed by @Larry and added to the Syopsis, then I'll use that 01:50
are you at the hackathon yourself ... I'm not
mugwump no, I'm in NZ 01:51
dduncan at home
mugwump work
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dduncan well I support your idea in principle ... it is mainly details needing hashing out 01:51
mugwump The point of whether a seperate "Collection" or "Set" is quite moot, anyway 01:52
The only thing that not having a "Collection" lets you do is have duplicate tuples(ie, Seq objects appearing twice)
which only a few people care about
the point is how the role parameters are combined 01:53
dduncan I think that one reason the Synopsis specifically mention things like Set or Seq as their own things rather than having them based on a Collection is that it is often easier for a language to be built up from simpler things than built down from more complex things
so even if Collection is added, the Set may not be implemented with it
just like you don't use a Seq or Array to implement a Str (sequence of chars) 01:54
mugwump some languages do
dduncan yes, but many don't, presumably for a reason
mugwump C does. Haskell does.
dduncan I know Pascal does
mugwump But the thing is, you don't care, because of the sugar 01:55
dduncan my main concern from language design is that your tools are easy to use and unambiguous in meaning
mugwump So, from a constraints perspective, a Set is a Collection with the constraint that each Seq has exactly one item, and that there are no duplicates. From that perspective, the Collection is simpler. The implementation is, well, an implementation detail 01:56
dduncan mugwump, you may have touched on this before, but is there an existing Perl 5 implementation of the Collection type you propose? 01:57
mugwump only a partial one at git://utsl.gen.nz/Coll 01:58
but it really needs a ground-up rewrite based on parametric roles
and for that I need to add parametric roles to Moose 01:59
dduncan is Coll built using Moose, or will be?
svnbot6 r11006 | fglock++ | v6.pm - infix:<-=>; infix:<+=>; infix:<err>;
r11006 | fglock++ | - has TYPE $var;
r11006 | fglock++ | - moose-3.pl compiles, with errors
mugwump it is built using Moose, yes
I got partway through that implementation before realising that the parametric roles were really quite vital to making it not suck 02:00
dduncan I looked at Moose the other day myself and debated whether to use it in my own stuff ... but I wasn't sure yet if it would make things easier or more difficult at the present
mugwump as well as being drawn by other projects
did you see audrey's slides?
dduncan not as yet
mugwump pugs.blogs.com/talks/yapcna-deploy-perl6.pdf 02:01
skip to the Moose parts
dduncan for one thing, I'm wondering whether things like Class::Std are best dumped in the transition, since Moose replaces their features
dduncan now to dinner, back in a bit 02:02
mugwump probably. There is a transition path - rewrite them to use Class::MOP
yeah, it's almost end of week here ... catch you next week probably
dduncan in brief, what I want to use in Perl 5 is something that lets my program design in perl 5 be as similar as possible to the corresponding perl 6 version
if Moose will help me do that, great ... otherwise, not sure if it will do what I want 02:03
mugwump Moose covers the OO part ... but read the slides for more
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svnbot6 r11007 | fglock++ | v6.pm - fixed infix:<+=>; 02:35
r11007 | fglock++ | - has $var = exp;
r11007 | fglock++ | - fail();
r11007 | fglock++ | - moose-3.pl compiles, looks ok
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svnbot6 r11008 | fglock++ | v6.pm - moose-4.pl compiles, has grammar problems (doesn't recognize method call) 03:24
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gaal nothingmuch: ping 03:33
fglock help wanted - convert per5/Pugs-Compiler-Perl6 moose*.pl to t/moose*.t (see existing tests for tips) - thanks!
nothingmuch gaal: pont 03:35
gaal: will be back soon
just waiting for rob
fglock: new stuff in Perl::Generate
please give me a list of requirements for stuff you'd want to make easy
especially from a perspective of processing (these trees are rather reusable and pretty easy to play around in) 03:36
or at least they should be (hence the requirement request ;-)
fglock nothingmuch: v6.pm ast is a little different, so it needs a rewrite first 03:38
I'm playing with translating to Moose - it would be nice if you could take a look at Pugs::Compiler::Perl6 Emit.pm
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nothingmuch fglock: i took a short look 03:39
svnbot6 r11010 | gaal++ | r11081@sike: roo | 2006-06-29 22:30:04 -0500
r11010 | gaal++ | * Pugs.Prim: add Pugs::Safe::safe_getc and Pugs::Safe::safe_readline
r11010 | gaal++ | primitives, allowing evalservers to interface an interactive pugs.
nothingmuch i'm optimizing for what Moose will need right now
but I can also optimize for what you want
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nothingmuch fglock: anyway, i will be out soon, so i'll prolly see you tomorrow 03:40
ping me and we'll discuss
mdiep is there a way to get a *flat* list of captures from a match? 03:41
fglock nothingmuch: right now I need parameter processing in subs - clkao is investigating that
and more Moose examples to try to implement (v6 and p5 versions)
nothingmuch fglock: ideally we could make some "sugar" nodes in p5 03:42
that map directly to an idealized p6 ast
(not parse tree)
and these will be wrappers for lower level sub nodes
that actually do the dirty work
but i need to get into your work to actually help out 03:43
and i haven't done so yet
so it's easier for you to say what you would like the most =)
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nothingmuch fglock: i'm off (birthday) 03:46
see you =)
fglock happy birthday! 03:48
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svnbot6 r11011 | audreyt++ | * yapc_schedule.pl - you need latest parrot trunk to run this. 04:06
r11011 | audreyt++ | kolibrie++ for coming up with the syck^Wsick example of
r11011 | audreyt++ | overriding "ws".
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dduncan what he said 04:21
svnbot6 r11012 | sanug++ | Audrey and Patrick described Perl 6 compilation 04:49
r11013 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Relation/ : cloned Relation.pm into the new D.pm, wherein I will try a different approach that is more struct+module like 04:52
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audreyt obra: perlcabal.org/~audreyt/pdf/ 05:10
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svnbot6 r11014 | audreyt++ | * more p6ast.hs 05:31
r11015 | clkao++ | v6.pm - Don't write to file when failed to compile. 05:34
clkao audreyt: if else / for are taking block as well. :/ 06:02
not sure where the block that used in assignment is matched from
it's not in exp 06:03
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svnbot6 r11016 | clkao++ | Parse foo().method correctly. This makes 07-isa fail because it was 06:06
r11016 | clkao++ | not running the right thing.
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svnbot6 r11017 | sanug++ | Audrey's new Perl5 page 06:39
r11018 | clkao++ | * Implement pointy sub (without siganture).
r11018 | clkao++ | * Change param-binding to shift to support lexical subs when passed in
r11018 | clkao++ | with Code.
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dduncan ping mugwump 06:46
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svnbot6 r11019 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Relation/ : in a separate project branch which is 'D.pm', the Relation library is now composed entirely of immutable transparent data types defined as subsets of Str|Pair|Set|Mapping plus separate modules that declare operators for deriving other data from them 07:02
clkao things left to make the compiled v6 test.pm actually compile under p5: &?CALLER::ROUTINE, named binding, multisub 07:03
and figure out how to map TEST:: namespace to the mangled one 07:04
dduncan er, regarding D, the deriving operators haven't been written yet, but all the data types have been defined, along with all their constraints 07:05
mugwump, when you have the chance, please look at the new D.pm code (its at the top, not pod-commented-out) ... 07:09
when contemplating your Collection type, what you see in D.pm now should give you a better idea exactly what shapes I want to represent
so if Collection would be flexible/capable enough to define such shapes, I know it will satisfy many needs 07:10
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svnbot6 r11020 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Relation/ : oops, forgot a constraint def 07:32
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dduncan note that if you want to see something that looks like what DBI's fetch_all_hash_ref() returns, the RelationBody type is nearly identical (it is a set of mappings rather than an array of hashes) 07:40
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svnbot6 r11021 | clkao++ | TODO for making Test.pm work. 07:47
r11022 | clkao++ | ignore .tc files. 07:50
r11023 | clkao++ | Things to ignore.
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meppl guten morgen 10:18
daxim moin 10:24
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Juerd Someone (who wants to remain unnamed) proposed that feather be replaced by a professional server, so that compilation/testing of pugs and parrot would be much faster 10:39
I've started doing some calculations today, and this would cost almost 2900 euros 10:40
This would require a donation of approx 45 euros per user.
I'd like to discuss this subject
I don't know if people would be willing to donate; after all, most users do not actively use the machine, and it would still not be allowed to host personal non-perl6 projects on it. 10:41
meppl good morning daxim
Juerd On the other hand, it's a donation toward faster development of perl6 overall...
daxim Juerd, you told me it would be easy to get a commit bit 10:42
well, I'm here now ;)
Juerd daxim: It is.
daxim: Ask!
daxim please may I have one?
Juerd I don't know exactly who can give you commit bits
audreyt certainly can give you one.
rafl too, IIRC
daxim img314.imageshack.us/my.php?image=j...afl8ws.jpg
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Juerd heh 10:43
integral I can, if you want, I need an email address (via privmsg) 10:44
Juerd But then it's not logged for the spambots to enjoy! 10:45
integral Okay, daxim, you should receive an invitation email shortly with details on accessing openfoundry. Feel free to add yourself to AUTHORS when you start committing. 10:48
daxim ok, email arrived already
integral hmm, is there some core module that's been core since 5.5 that uses tied filehandles? 10:59
err, wrong channel, sorry 11:03
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svnbot6 r11024 | daxim++ | added myself 11:18
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svnbot6 r11025 | daxim++ | clarified prerequisites for smoking 11:30
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svnbot6 r11026 | fglock++ | v6.pm - more method call syntax 13:43
r11026 | fglock++ | moose-4.pl compiles
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sahadev examples/rules/yapc_schedule.pl uses yapc_schedule.pm, which is not found. where is it available? 14:41
svnbot6 r11027 | fglock++ | v6.pm - clear 'deep recursion' message in grammar compilation 14:43
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svnbot6 r11028 | fglock++ | v6.pm - all tests fixed; all Moose snippets compile. 15:04
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audreyt fglock++ # wow. 15:18
sahadev: sorry it is inlined 15:19
sahadev: remove the 'use' line and commit?
(also it needs a copy of e.g. yapcchicago.org/the-schedule/wednesday)
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clkao found a svk bug while merging the PC-P6 change to pX/clkao 15:45
audreyt svk sucks! 15:46
maybe it should be renamed to svck
or suk
clkao module::install-- 15:47
Can't locate inc/Module/Install/Admin.pm in @INC (@INC contains: inc ../.. ../../inc /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Module/Install.pm line 100.
audreyt surely you killed inc/?
clkao there's no inc/ to start with
audreyt you used Module::Install::Admin? 15:48
why are you doing it?
clkao i didn't 15:49
can you run makefile.pl under misc/pX/clkao/Pugs-Compiler-Perl6 ?
running it removes inc
i don't know why
bah, the inc path in makefile.pl 15:50
audreyt: also the commit-inter-* tests are noisy no
now
audreyt what's commit-inter-* 15:51
clkao audreyt: svk's tests 15:52
svnbot6 r11029 | clkao++ | Correct inc when in pX.
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svnbot6 r11030 | clkao++ | pull from perl5/Pugs-Compiler-Perl6. 16:08
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audreyt fglock: hi 16:28
fglock audreyt: hi! how's the hackathon? 16:29
audreyt going very well!
diagrams!
and finally detailed fields of P6AST!
got clkao into Yapp hacking :)
fglock great - I need that!
audreyt yes, I recognize that :)
fglock yup - I saw the commits 16:30
audreyt fglock: can you compile "sub foo($x) {}; sub bar($x) {}" ?
(that was from clkao)
fglock btw, I silenced a Deep recursion in Parse::Yapp - it seems to not be a problem
checking
clkao networkg being very unsable 16:31
it fails on the second one for me 16:32
fglock clkao: maybe empty blocks are not defined - I will check 16:33
clkao fglock: ah, it seems so. also "..."
fglock I could not make '...' work, but I don't know what is the problem yet 16:34
I think it must be classified as 'NUM' by the lexer 16:35
clkao ah!
fglock: can you help looking at my parser in px/clkao? my signature can't capture no invocant and with one parameter 16:40
svnbot6 r11031 | fglock++ | v6.pm - added empty-blocks - " sub foo($x) {}; sub bar($x) {} " - reported by clkao++
fglock looking
clkao in fact i can't capture any parameter without invocant. but it works when there's none of both 16:42
svnbot6 r11032 | clkao++ | misc emitted syntax fixes.
fglock I've got a very slow computer here (tc1000 tablet) - should be 1GHz but feels like 200Mhz 16:43
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fglock_ rehi - recovering from frozen computer 16:55
clkao fglock: did the parser kill your network as well? ;)
fglock_ network, mouse & keyboard. but the screen was fine 16:56
is it allowed to have more than one invocant? 17:02
clkao: is there a comma between the invocant and other parameters? 17:03
clkao fglock_: no, it should be invocant ':' 17:05
fglock_ clkao: sorry, things are real slow here - no answer yet 17:10
clkao ok. fyi, just compile "sub bar1 ($z: $y,$x) { "ok" };sub bar2 ($y,$x) { "ok" };" and you'll see 17:11
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fglock_ clkao: I've got something that seems to work - will paste 17:28
sial.org/pbot/18114 17:30
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fglock_ clkao: I'll commit 17:39
svnbot6 r11033 | fglock++ | v6.pm - parses ( $invocant: ) 17:40
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fglock clkao: ping 17:58
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clkao i think i hate everything today 18:10
audreyt clkao: but everything has been refactored by chromatic 18:12
it should be less hateful
fglock I wonder what you are talking about 18:17
clkao audreyt: you mean everything2.com ? 18:19
fglock audreyt: v6.pm could be rewritten in p6 18:21
clkao i thought about that yesterday ;)
audreyt fglock: yeah that was part of the plan when I was in Vienna 18:23
but that makes debugging... more fun
up to you
clkao fglock: oh you fixed that. but i was more wondering about why my version didn't work. 18:25
fglock there are no tweaks to do in the Makefile, right?
clkao: I don't know too :)
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fglock would someone sanity-check the compiled Moose files in perl5/Pugs-Compiler-Perl6? 18:29
I'll start moving them to t/
can I say 'module Main;' to finish a class declaration in p6? 18:34
audreyt if you started the file with
fglock or does it mean 'module MyClass::Main' 18:35
audreyt class Foo;
then that scopes over entire file
fglock so I have to use class Foo { ... } main...
audreyt yup 18:39
fglock use lib ('.'); - same syntax in p6? 18:41
Juerd fglock: AFAIK, but note that the parens are neither necessary nor part of the syntax. 18:43
(For both perls)
audreyt yup 18:44
fglock k
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svnbot6 r11034 | fglock++ | v6.pm - added first Moose test 18:52
fglock yay! a program in p6 a module in p6 18:53
audreyt woot!
fglock++ 18:54
(bbiab)
svnbot6 r11036 | audreyt++ | * perl5 18:58
fglock perl5? 18:59
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Limbic_Region fglock - she's reinventing wheels ;-) 19:02
ruoso fglock, I'm a bit away lately... where is this last stuff you're doing... I'd like to test it... 19:03
fglock ruoso: see use.perl.org/~fglock/ 19:09
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fglock it is in CPAN - 'install v6' 19:10
or perl5/Pugs-Compiler-Perl6/
the CPAN version doesn't have OO yet 19:11
it's a complete rewrite of lrep - only the Rules grammar was reused 19:12
audreyt: I'm shy to write to pugs.blogs.com - too many people reading there :) 19:14
ruoso fglock++... the generated code is incredibly beatiful... 19:16
svnbot6 r11037 | sanug++ | Allison Randal added Punie and Tree Grammar Compilation.
r11037 | sanug++ | Audrey Tang added Ponie.
fglock ruoso: thanks! this is the 3rd rewrite, counting last years's pil-run 19:18
ruoso: perlcabal.org/~audreyt/pdf/perl6_co...-perl5.pdf 19:21
TreyHarris larry's most recent S02 change appears to be just of the version number? or am i missing something? 19:22
oh, i just noticed the summary was "forgot to add versions" *sheepish* 19:24
ruoso just happy to see all of that...
ruoso sad for not having time to take part on it...
fglock ruoso: I don't have time either :) 19:26
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Steve_p Where might I find the most up to date info on smart matching? 19:35
TimToady Steve_p: S03 19:37
Steve_p TimToady: thanks! 19:38
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fglock TimToady, audreyt, pmichaud: thanks for the patience in the last few months to explain the compiler to me 19:42
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clkao fglock: now you get to explain them to me ;) 19:48
Steve_p heh
clkao fglock: you saw my todo update about test.pm right? 19:49
want to finish up the capture parsing? then i can work on the emitter for calling with data::bind at the same time
fglock clkao: :) - checking
clkao: what's missing in the capture? 19:50
svnbot6 r11038 | fglock++ | v6.pm - added a failing test to t/10-moose1.t 19:51
clkao it's not parsed is it?
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clkao also CALLER:: 19:52
fglock clkao: would you write some p6/ast/p5 examples in the TODO? this helps a lot to understand what I'm doing :) 19:53
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clkao sure. 19:54
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fglock thanks 19:54
clkao how to do things like caller(4) rather than CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::CALLER::.. ? 19:55
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fglock clkao: maybe caller(4) works - pugs doesn't return an error for caller() 19:57
pmurias hi, how will one define custom type systems, and what is the default one with 'use static'? 19:58
pmurias is reading TaPL 19:59
nothingmuch Juerd: ping 20:00
Juerd is een aardig heren. Hij is ook mooi ;) 20:01
is that a compliment?
fglock nothingmuch: would you sanity check v6 Moose output when you have time? 20:02
nothingmuch fglock: yes, i think i'll probably look at it before dinner tonight 20:03
fglock thanks!
clkao fglock: 11-capture on the way 20:08
svnbot6 r11039 | clkao++ | simple tests for binding / capture.
nothingmuch clkao: have you played with Perl::Generate yet?
clkao nothingmuch: not yet, i don't have darcs
(i am lying)
nothingmuch wget -r
;-)
clkao where again?
nothingmuch i can cook up a tarball
clkao url
nothingmuch nothingmuch.woobling.org/Perl-Generate/ 20:09
lambdabot Title: "Index of /Perl-Generate"
nothingmuch =)
clkao it's not a real module
Juerd nothingmuch: It's broken syntax :)
clkao use ok "Perl::Generate::AST::Node::Var::Scalar";
you mean use_ok ?
Juerd nothingmuch: Though I think it's nice what you said. Do you know hwat you said?
miyagawa ok.pm
nothingmuch Juerd: yes, i was told it was explicitly obfuscated to not share words with english 20:10
clkao: it's BEGIN { use_ok } without the nasty syntax 20:11
audreyt++
Juerd nothingmuch: What do you mean, "share words"?
clkao it doesn't work for me
nothingmuch clkao: you need to install it =)
Juerd: well, like heren etc
clkao ah.
svnbot6 r11040 | audreyt++ | * inlien the "use" on yapc_schedule
clkao get a real makefile.pl 20:12
Juerd nothingmuch: Which is plural...
nothingmuch Juerd: well, it's not my fault =)
it was composed by the dutch speaker next to me 20:13
who was trying to see if i can guess my way around dutch
fglock nothingmuch: are you following p6ast.hs format?
Juerd nothingmuch: Some Dutch speaker...
nothingmuch fglock: barely
she says that she was deliberately making it bad, so i won't deduct her karma points ;-) 20:14
Juerd nothingmuch: If you want to guess... dan ga ik toch gewoon Nederlands tegen je lullen? Makkelijk zat, dan ontdekken we snel genoeg of je er wat van snapt :)
nothingmuch since i failed the "easy" test...
fglock nothingmuch: if we both follow p6ast, we should be able to talk to each other (without cheating, I mean) 20:15
nothingmuch fglock: okay =)
Juerd: she says that you just insulted us
clkao nothingmuch: should it be renamed to Perl5::Generate?
nothingmuch clkao: uh
maybe
Juerd nothingmuch: She's lying.
clkao also things are too long to type! 20:16
nothingmuch something about finding out if we actually understand it soon enough
clkao: Perl::Generate and t/99_easy.t
fglock how about Pugs::Emit::P6AST::Perl5 - this is more or less the convention we are following in the Pugs:: namespace, I think
::Emit-from-to
Juerd nothingmuch: The thing is, it's hard to translate.
nothingmuch well, remember that it is not pugs specific 20:17
we need it for Moose
Juerd nothingmuch: It's something like "Then how about I just talk Dutch to you? Easy enough, and we'll discover soon enough if you understand anything of it"
nothingmuch ah
Juerd The funny thing is "lullen", which is informal and bad slang for "talk", but can also translate as penises.
nothingmuch oh
that's the part she thought was insulting 20:18
Juerd nothingmuch: That's the turing test for "Dutch speakers"
She failed :)
nothingmuch heh
i'll let her know =)
well, clkao is 20:19
(she went away by now)
Juerd Only context (position in the sentence: verb versus noun) can tell which lullen it is.
nothingmuch that's a pretty evil language then 20:20
Juerd "vliegen" means both "flies"(plural noun) and "fly"(plural verb)
svnbot6 r11041 | audreyt++ | * p6ast - thru to exp
Juerd "als achter vliegen vliegen vliegen, vliegen vliegen vliegen achterna"
Which is more or less: if flies fly behind flies, then flies are in pursuit of flies.
Highly contrived, but anyone'll understand it 20:21
nothingmuch =)
well, to her credit we can say that she is not a native dutch speaker 20:22
anyway, i think i'm going to go for a walk, and then maybe my brain will start working 20:23
Juerd Heh
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svnbot6 r11042 | pmurias++ | the implementation of ruby style quoting in perl5 eq. #{$var} and #{expr} 20:47
r11042 | pmurias++ | will add Devel::LexAlias support for #{expr},and better parsing of nested {} later
pmurias fglock: wrote a basic implementation of ruby style quoting 20:49
fglock pmurias: looking
pmurias: btw, nothingmuch is writing a new emitter - see nothingmuch.woobling.org/Perl-Generate/ 20:50
lambdabot Title: "Index of /Perl-Generate"
pmurias seen it
jabbot pmurias: I havn't seen it, pmurias
fglock :)
pmurias: cool 20:53
pmurias it could be turned into a paraquasiquote, using PPI for syntax checking, automatic Perl-Generate and PPI ast stringification etc. 20:57
i'll do some assorted reading and sleeping now
g'night
fglock 1 result in google for 'paraquasiquote' 21:01
clkao: the parse looks right in t/11-capture.t, except for :a<foo>, which it thinks is a call 21:10
it should pair('a','foo'), right? 21:11
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svnbot6 r11043 | fglock++ | v6.pm - Grammar/Term - fixed pair syntax 21:17
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svnbot6 r11044 | fglock++ | v6.pm - t/11-capture.t cleanup 21:22
r11045 | fglock++ | v6.pm - TODO update 21:25
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fglock putter: hi! 21:37
putter I'm about to send of an email, attempting to take some advantage of the Boston hackathon occurring in a city with a Perl Mongers. Like a talk(s), or a social.
Hi fglock :)
But I have little idea who is going to be in Boston. Anyone have any ideas? 21:38
fglock I'm far far away ... 21:39
putter :)
fglock putter: did you see the v6.pm news? it's running small programs :) 21:40
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putter Neat! 21:41
could someone msg me an email address for audreyt? tnx... 21:44
bloody spammers... :(
fglock (audreyt) at $1 dot org 21:45
later & 21:46
putter thanks :) 21:47
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nothingmuch where might one find a table of operator precedence for perl 5 22:04
(as code not docs)
B::Deparse has them inlined in the subs =( 22:07
putter toke.c? 22:23
(having no idea, but quickly greping a 5.9 tree) 22:24
and ext/B/B/Deparse.pm 22:25
Deparse has an actual table :) 22:27
& 22:29
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clkao in yapp, can I tell which rule in the current state took my token? 22:33
kolibrie made it home safely 22:35
stevan: no flooding at my house 22:36
nothingmuch: there is one picture I did not manage to take, could you take it for me?
in the SSV stairwell, on the third floor, looking towards the tunnel around the elevated tracks 22:37
kolibrie returns to being with his wife and children after a week away 22:38
nothingmuch kolibrie: yay! 22:42
center building?
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TreyHarris TimToady: fyi, your last edit to S05 misspelled "grammar" as "gramma" 22:58
svnbot6 r11046 | Sage++ | <FH> now translates to $FH.readline. However, open() doesn't translate yet, so it's a bit out of place.
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