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veritos hello, are there any people here other than Juerd who can create Feather accounts? 03:33
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veritos hello, are there any people here other than Juerd who can create Feather accounts? 03:33
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Title: TAP Matrix - Wed Apr 18 00:32:22 2007 GMT, tinyurl.com/28blt5
geoffb agentzh++
agentzh :)
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Title: TAP Matrix - Wed Apr 18 00:32:22 2007 GMT, tinyurl.com/28blt5
geoffb agentzh++
agentzh :)
it only took 84.35ƂĀ min. 03:38
(shorter than i expected)
it only took 84.35Ā min.
(shorter than i expected)
geoffb Well, that's good I suppose 03:39
agentzh gaal: gotcha
geoffb: *nod* :D
geoffb Well, that's good I suppose
agentzh gaal: gotcha
geoffb: *nod* :D
geoffb: are you familiar with sh? 03:40
geoffb Bourne Shell, you mean?
agentzh i'm having a problem with wrapping ./pugs with a sh script.
yup
veritos geoffb: what's the deal?
agentzh geoffb: are you familiar with sh?
geoffb Bourne Shell, you mean?
agentzh i'm having a problem with wrapping ./pugs with a sh script.
yup
veritos geoffb: what's the deal?
geoffb some ... ask away, I may know 03:41
agentzh is it correct to write "./pugs $*" to do that.
?
geoffb veritos: huh?
veritos geoffb: i was asking what your question was.
geoffb veritos: er, I didn't have one
some ... ask away, I may know
agentzh is it correct to write "./pugs $*" to do that.
?
geoffb veritos: huh?
veritos geoffb: i was asking what your question was.
geoffb veritos: er, I didn't have one
agentzh geoffb: see svn.pugscode.org/pugs/util/limited_pugs 03:42
geoffb is looking
agentzh geoffb: see svn.pugscode.org/pugs/util/limited_pugs
geoffb is looking
revdiablo agentzh: ./pugs "$@" 03:43
agentzh revdiablo: thanks :)
./pugs $* is giving me troubles.
revdiablo agentzh: ./pugs "$@"
agentzh revdiablo: thanks :)
./pugs $* is giving me troubles.
so is ./pugs "$*". 03:44
revdiablo $* will do word splitting after the fact
"$*" will quote all the args as one big argument to pugs
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revdiablo "$@" is a special case that Does The Right Thing 03:44
agentzh revdiablo: fair enough :)
geoffb agentzh: what revdiablo said
sorry for the slow response
agentzh so is ./pugs "$*".
revdiablo $* will do word splitting after the fact
"$*" will quote all the args as one big argument to pugs
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revdiablo "$@" is a special case that Does The Right Thing 03:44
agentzh revdiablo: fair enough :)
geoffb agentzh: what revdiablo said
sorry for the slow response
agentzh geoffb: np :) 03:45
agentzh is happy.
geoffb: np :)
agentzh is happy.
thanks for the help! 03:47
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revdiablo agentzh: No problemo. FWIW you can usually get pretty good shell help in #bash 03:48
agentzh okay :)
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revdiablo agentzh: No problemo. FWIW you can usually get pretty good shell help in #bash 03:48
agentzh okay :)
geoffb agentzh: A silly little trick for seeing how sh is going to mangle your args ... replace the program you intend to call off to with: perl -e 'print map ">$_<\\n", @ARGV' 03:49
So:
nice -n5 perl -e 'print map ">$_<\\n", @ARGV' "$@"
./test.sh "foo bar" bax
>foo bar<
>bax<
agentzh cool
geoffb agentzh: A silly little trick for seeing how sh is going to mangle your args ... replace the program you intend to call off to with: perl -e 'print map ">$_<\n", @ARGV'
So:
nice -n5 perl -e 'print map ">$_<\n", @ARGV' "$@"
./test.sh "foo bar" bax
>foo bar<
>bax<
agentzh cool
geoffb With $* or $@ without quotes, the foo and bar end up on separate lines 03:50
agentzh right
geoffb (And "$*" gives just one line with everything together)
With $* or $@ without quotes, the foo and bar end up on separate lines
agentzh right
geoffb (And "$*" gives just one line with everything together)
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revdiablo set -x can be mighty helpful too 03:51
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revdiablo set -x can be mighty helpful too 03:51
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geoffb ... and don't forget 'set -' to turn off 'set -x' when it's in the way. Not a very obvious off-switch 03:55
agentzh k 03:57
svnbot6 r15985 | agentz++ | use "$@" instead of $*, as per revdiablo++ and geoffb++ 04:05
r15986 | agentz++ | util/limited_pugs - updated the comments a bit 04:08
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agentzh Juerd: smoking at 01:02:25 +0200 looks okay? 04:17
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agentzh Juerd: smoking at 01:02:25 +0200 looks okay? 04:17
offby1 geoffb: wouldn't "set +x" turn off "set -x"? 04:18
and better: put the "set -x", and the stuff which you want it to affect, in parens, like so: (set -x; some_command; another command )
geoffb: wouldn't "set +x" turn off "set -x"?
and better: put the "set -x", and the stuff which you want it to affect, in parens, like so: (set -x; some_command; another command )
geoffb offby1: suppose so. As I mentioned before, my sh fu is rusty, so I only remember bits and pieces 04:19
I find that within the first three lines of any sh script, I'm ripping at my eyeballs and reaching for Perl 04:20
offby1 I once had a shell script grow to a couple of screensful without morphing into perl. I called in a naturalist from the American Museum of Natural History, and he wrote a paper about it.
geoffb I find that within the first three lines of any sh script, I'm ripping at my eyeballs and reaching for Perl
offby1 I once had a shell script grow to a couple of screensful without morphing into perl. I called in a naturalist from the American Museum of Natural History, and he wrote a paper about it.
Normally my threshold is about ten lines. 04:21
geoffb My main use of shell is pipes and simple loops at the command line
offby1 Normally my threshold is about ten lines.
geoffb My main use of shell is pipes and simple loops at the command line
A friend of mind writes multi-thousand line apps in ksh. 04:22
offby1 to each they own.
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geoffb A friend of mind writes multi-thousand line apps in ksh.
offby1 to each they own.
pasteling "evalbot_r15985" at 194.145.200.126 pasted "Pugs build failure" (355 lines, 20.3K) at sial.org/pbot/24296
offby1 in theory I'd love to write in scsh, but it just doesn't come up that much ... plus I've been in Windows-land most of my working life, so... 04:23
geoffb We once raced to see who could implement a piece of functionality fastest -- him in ksh, or me in Perl. We tied, even though his had twice as many lines. And we both had exactly one bug -- the *same one*.
offby1 in theory I'd love to write in scsh, but it just doesn't come up that much ... plus I've been in Windows-land most of my working life, so...
geoffb We once raced to see who could implement a piece of functionality fastest -- him in ksh, or me in Perl. We tied, even though his had twice as many lines. And we both had exactly one bug -- the *same one*.
offby1 odd indeed. 04:24
I'd give you the award, since shorter code is worthwhile
unless it was really cryptic.
geoffb I almost lost my tenuous grip on sanity when he should me his date and time manipulation libraries
offby1 odd indeed.
I'd give you the award, since shorter code is worthwhile
unless it was really cryptic.
geoffb I almost lost my tenuous grip on sanity when he should me his date and time manipulation libraries
Nah, it was pretty clean. 04:25
I'm pretty rigid about clean code most of the time.
er, *when he showed me
Nah, it was pretty clean.
I'm pretty rigid about clean code most of the time.
er, *when he showed me
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agentzh Oh, ext/Perl6-Perldoc/t/*.t all failed in the report. i think they are not Perl 6 at all. 04:28
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agentzh diakopter: Perl6-Perldoc is in the wrong directory? ext/ is supposed to contain Perl *6* modules only. 04:33
diakopter: the pugs smoking mechanism always tries to run these Perl 5 tests with ./pugs. 04:35
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svnbot6 r15987 | agentz++ | feather/syn_index.html - mentioned the daily auto-smoking on feather 04:53
r15988 | agentz++ | * explained the HARNESS_PUGS environment and util/limited_pugs when doing Pugs smoking 05:05
agentzh now it's recommended to run "HARNESS_PUGS=util/limited_pugs make smoke" for Pugs smoking on *NIX :) 05:08
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obra Happy Birthday Audrey! 05:54
geoffb makes party noises (spinning clackers, blow-yoyos, etc.) 05:57
Hippo Birdie Two Ewes, audreyt!
jrockway <insert clever ascii art cake>
geoffb makes party noises (spinning clackers, blow-yoyos, etc.)
Hippo Birdie Two Ewes, audreyt!
jrockway <insert clever ascii art cake>
gaal }:) }:) }:) w00t (:{ (:{ (:{ 06:01
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>>> ē”Ÿę—„åæ«ä¹ļ¼<<<
agentzh wonders if he has got the encoding right ;) 06:04
audreyt you did :) thanks :) 06:05
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audreyt you did :) thanks :)
lambdabot audreyt: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
agentzh :D 06:06
audreyt: my auto-smoking facility on feather is my birthday present to you :)
audreyt oooh :D
thanks
agentzh :D
audreyt: my auto-smoking facility on feather is my birthday present to you :)
audreyt oooh :D
thanks
agentzh my pleasure! 06:07
audreyt birthday started not-so-happy though :/ last night ingy got in a car crash and is still in ER -- not fatal but spine/lungs/wrist all damaged -- more info later tonight 06:08
(brb) 06:09
geoffb yikes, he was on here answering questions just a few hours ago!
agentzh nods.
audreyt (brb)
geoffb yikes, he was on here answering questions just a few hours ago!
agentzh nods.
geoffb wishes ingy a speedy recovery, or at least as speedy as possible 06:10
agentzh too.
spinclad three
geoffb wishes ingy a speedy recovery, or at least as speedy as possible
agentzh too.
spinclad three
spinclad looks for a spell to undo such damage 06:11
geoffb if only ...
spinclad looks for a spell to undo such damage
geoffb if only ...
dduncan that time is it? ... yes, Happy Birthday then 06:13
I hope ingy recovers
that time is it? ... yes, Happy Birthday then
I hope ingy recovers
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dduncan oh, and hey, it looks like someone else actually added a feature to one of my modules ... Locale-KeyedText in this case ... that's a first! 06:16
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dduncan a pleasant first ... 06:19
thank you Franck Cuny
a pleasant first ...
thank you Franck Cuny
nothingmuch audreyt: happy moose day 06:24
geoffb & # blessed sleep 06:25
nothingmuch if you're in touch with ingy by phone or something wish him an easy moose
audreyt ok
gaal @}-'-s to ingy
lambdabot Unknown command, try @list
nothingmuch gaal: ?
gaal mooseflowers
nothingmuch ah
++
geoffb & # blessed sleep
nothingmuch if you're in touch with ingy by phone or something wish him an easy moose
audreyt ok
gaal @}-'-s to ingy
lambdabot Unknown command, try @list
nothingmuch gaal: ?
gaal mooseflowers
nothingmuch ah
++
gaal lambdabot doesn't know about them because she hasn't been to the hospital 06:26
I wonder where she went on her recent vacation though
lambdabot doesn't know about them because she hasn't been to the hospital
I wonder where she went on her recent vacation though
What do folks here use for merges in svk? vimdiff is kinda clunky with four windows 06:27
Alias__ moose day? 06:28
omg, ingy hurt? 06:29
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Alias__ audreyt: Do we have much information, and is there anything we can do to help? 06:30
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Alias__ audreyt: Do we have much information, and is there anything we can do to help? 06:30
audreyt Alias__: will have more info tonight. currently nothing 06:32
Alias__ ok
audreyt Alias__: will have more info tonight. currently nothing
Alias__ ok
Lets hope that's our allocation of tragic evens for 2007 used up 06:33
And that he recovers
audreyt indeed
Alias__ It does seem to be 1 per year, roughly
Lets hope that's our allocation of tragic evens for 2007 used up
And that he recovers
audreyt indeed
Alias__ It does seem to be 1 per year, roughly
gaal I'd say the actual figure is higher. 06:38
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agentzh goes back to school & 06:44
svnbot6 r15989 | agentz++ | limited_pugs - ulimit -t 600 now
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jrockway yeah, violence in the world is at a local maximum right now 06:44
i hope ingy is ok
agentzh goes back to school &
svnbot6 r15989 | agentz++ | limited_pugs - ulimit -t 600 now
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jrockway yeah, violence in the world is at a local maximum right now 06:44
i hope ingy is ok
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svnbot6 r15990 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/QDRDBMS/ : made dbms_config param completely unregulated by Interface; any arg type it may be given is fully Engine-determined 07:28
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moritz is anybody planning a PHP backend for perl6? 10:23
nothingmuch unlikely 10:24
moritz then all lame "PHP only" web hoster would be usefull again ;-)
nothingmuch unlikely
moritz then all lame "PHP only" web hoster would be usefull again ;-)
nothingmuch i suppose, but deployment of perl 6 code on xsuch hosts is probably many harvests away 10:27
i mean, it's plausible as a long term goal, but I doubt anybody is really investing time in it right now
i suppose, but deployment of perl 6 code on xsuch hosts is probably many harvests away
i mean, it's plausible as a long term goal, but I doubt anybody is really investing time in it right now
moritz nothingmuch: I thought in terms of long term goals, yes ;-) 10:29
nothingmuch ah 10:30
i dunno then ;-)
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nothingmuch ah 10:30
i dunno then ;-)
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nothingmuch are you considering trying for that? 10:31
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moritz no 10:31
nothingmuch are you considering trying for that?
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moritz no 10:31
I'm not a good coder, I don't think I'm qualified to write any backend 10:32
and I'm constantly trying to improve, but it's still a long way
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moritz I'm not a good coder, I don't think I'm qualified to write any backend 10:32
and I'm constantly trying to improve, but it's still a long way
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nothingmuch you can try to write support code for the php side 10:35
if you're interested that could be a nice practice project as well
and who knows, it might be useful
you can try to write support code for the php side
if you're interested that could be a nice practice project as well
and who knows, it might be useful
by support code I mean things like an object representing junctions 10:36
or implementations of simple builtins
kind of like the Perl6:: namespace on the CPAN
moritz if I loved PHP that would be a nice idea ;-)
nothingmuch by support code I mean things like an object representing junctions
or implementations of simple builtins
kind of like the Perl6:: namespace on the CPAN
moritz if I loved PHP that would be a nice idea ;-)
nothingmuch ah, i see ;-) 10:37
can't say i lbame you
ah, i see ;-)
can't say i lbame you
moritz ;-) 10:38
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avar I wish conway's Perl6:: stuff would be more useful. Both the rules and perldoc modules work as a source filter on your program, which is fine if that's what you want but maybe you just want a rules API or a pod6 parser.. 10:47
Should be split up IMHO:)
I wish conway's Perl6:: stuff would be more useful. Both the rules and perldoc modules work as a source filter on your program, which is fine if that's what you want but maybe you just want a rules API or a pod6 parser..
Should be split up IMHO:)
Alias__ he has that problem often 10:48
Hook::LexWrap is both lexical wrapping code, plus an additional weird syntax that only works in 5.8+
I'd love to be able to use the same lexwrap code without the syntaxy stuff
he has that problem often
Hook::LexWrap is both lexical wrapping code, plus an additional weird syntax that only works in 5.8+
I'd love to be able to use the same lexwrap code without the syntaxy stuff
I sometimes wonder if Damian has ever learned any magic 10:49
Because a lot of his code seems designed to support his talks in such a way as to always give him a Prestige
I sometimes wonder if Damian has ever learned any magic
Because a lot of his code seems designed to support his talks in such a way as to always give him a Prestige
Whether or not it would have been more structurally sound to split it up 10:50
avar Ya, Perl6::Rules is a rules->p5 rx compiler which would be useful with a Parse::Yapp like interface, but then it's a source filter too for things like $1 => $0
Alias__ Whether or not it would have been more structurally sound to split it up
avar Ya, Perl6::Rules is a rules->p5 rx compiler which would be useful with a Parse::Yapp like interface, but then it's a source filter too for things like $1 => $0
Alias__ I've been temped to rewrite Hook::LexWrap a few times, since he refuses to make it back-compatible 10:51
svnbot6 r15992 | franck++ | changes suggested by Darren_Duncan++ 10:53
avar But OTOH the Perl6:: namespace seems to pretty much only be source filters to boolt p6-ish stuff on p5 10:54
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avar But OTOH the Perl6:: namespace seems to pretty much only be source filters to boolt p6-ish stuff on p5 10:54
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Alias__ pretty muich 10:56
avar Well Perl6::Perldoc::Parser has a /normal/ interface though 10:57
Alias__ I needs to 11:05
Since I think it's getting used for real at some point
I needs to
Since I think it's getting used for real at some point

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