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Set by sorear on 4 February 2011.
TimToady perl6: "foobar".comb(/oo/).say 00:00
p6eval rakudo cbe898, niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«oo␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«Error eval perl5: "if (!$INC{'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'}) {␤ unshift @INC, '/home/p6eval/.cabal/share/Pugs-6.2.13.16/blib6/pugs/perl5/lib';␤ eval q[require 'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'] or die $@;␤}␤'Pugs::Runtime::Match::HsBridge'␤"␤*** '<HANDLE>' trapped b…
TimToady is probably clearer with .comb anyway
soh_cah_toa well, i was talking about how :adverbs don't seem to work 00:01
TimToady especially since :g means very different things in p5's scalar vs list context
soh_cah_toa perl6: "foobar" ~~ m:P5/oo/
p6eval rakudo cbe898: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Adverb 'P5' not allowed on m at line 1, near ""␤»
..pugs: ( no output )
..niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«␤Unhandled Exception: Autoloading NYI␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 766 (CORE die @ 2) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 4608 (STD Regex.tweak @ 6) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 489 (STD C191_ANON @ 2) ␤ at /hom…
soh_cah_toa perl6: "foobar" ~~ m:r/oo/ 00:02
TimToady perl6: say "FOOBAR" ~~ m:i/oo/
p6eval rakudo cbe898, niecza v10-23-g50e0320: ( no output )
..pugs: OUTPUT«Error eval perl5: "if (!$INC{'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'}) {␤ unshift @INC, '/home/p6eval/.cabal/share/Pugs-6.2.13.16/blib6/pugs/perl5/lib';␤ eval q[require 'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'] or die $@;␤}␤'Pugs::Runtime::Match::HsBridge'␤"␤*** '<HANDLE>' trapped b…
rakudo cbe898: OUTPUT«=> <>␤␤»
..niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«#<match from(1) to(3) text(OO) pos([].list) named({}.hash)>␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«Error eval perl5: "if (!$INC{'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'}) {␤ unshift @INC, '/home/p6eval/.cabal/share/Pugs-6.2.13.16/blib6/pugs/perl5/lib';␤ eval q[require 'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'] or die $@;␤}␤'Pugs::Runtime::Match::HsBridge'␤"␤*** '<HANDLE>' trapped b…
TimToady nom: say "FOOBAR" ~~ m:i/oo/ 00:03
p6eval nom cbe898: OUTPUT«=> <>␤␤»
TimToady say what?
colomon nom: say "FOOBAR" ~~ m:/zz/ 00:04
p6eval nom cbe898: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused at line 1, near "say \"FOOBA"␤»
colomon nom: say "FOOBAR" ~~ m/zz/
p6eval nom cbe898: OUTPUT«=> <>␤␤»
colomon nom: say "FOOBAR" ~~ m/OO/
p6eval nom cbe898: OUTPUT«=> <OO>␤␤»
soh_cah_toa i guess it's just the :g and P5 adverbs
TimToady well, it's not exactly doing :i either... 00:05
nom: say "FOOBAR" ~~ m/:i oo/
p6eval nom cbe898: OUTPUT«=> <>␤␤»
soh_cah_toa yeah, that too
TimToady nom: say "FOOBAR" ~~ /:i oo/
p6eval nom cbe898: OUTPUT«=> <>␤␤»
jnthn ugh
Guess that can be my entry point to QRegex hacking. :/
TimToady er...have the appropriate amount of fun... 00:06
soh_cah_toa perl6: "foobar" ~~ /<!before f> oo/ 00:07
p6eval niecza v10-23-g50e0320: ( no output )
..rakudo cbe898: OUTPUT«Method 'before' not found for invocant of class 'Cursor'␤ in regex <anon> at /tmp/EWvbvu_6Kd:1␤ in method ACCEPTS at src/gen/CORE.setting:6252␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/EWvbvu_6Kd:1␤ in <anon> at /tmp/EWvbvu_6Kd:1␤␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«Error eval perl5: "if (!$INC{'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'}) {␤ unshift @INC, '/home/p6eval/.cabal/share/Pugs-6.2.13.16/blib6/pugs/perl5/lib';␤ eval q[require 'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'] or die $@;␤}␤'Pugs::Runtime::Match::HsBridge'␤"␤*** '<HANDLE>' trapped b…
soh_cah_toa perl6: say "foobar" ~~ /<!before f> oo/
p6eval rakudo cbe898: OUTPUT«Method 'before' not found for invocant of class 'Cursor'␤ in regex <anon> at /tmp/uZYrM3dDgA:1␤ in method ACCEPTS at src/gen/CORE.setting:6252␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/uZYrM3dDgA:1␤ in <anon> at /tmp/uZYrM3dDgA:1␤␤»
..niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«#<match from(1) to(3) text(oo) pos([].list) named({}.hash)>␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«Error eval perl5: "if (!$INC{'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'}) {␤ unshift @INC, '/home/p6eval/.cabal/share/Pugs-6.2.13.16/blib6/pugs/perl5/lib';␤ eval q[require 'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'] or die $@;␤}␤'Pugs::Runtime::Match::HsBridge'␤"␤*** '<HANDLE>' trapped b…
jnthn TimToady: Well, having a bus number of 1 on the regex engine is proving...painful...for Rakudo :(
soh_cah_toa perl6: say "foobar" ~~ /<!before _> oo/ 00:09
p6eval rakudo cbe898: OUTPUT«Method 'before' not found for invocant of class 'Cursor'␤ in regex <anon> at /tmp/rQaDsUPA7j:1␤ in method ACCEPTS at src/gen/CORE.setting:6252␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/rQaDsUPA7j:1␤ in <anon> at /tmp/rQaDsUPA7j:1␤␤»
..niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«#<match from(1) to(3) text(oo) pos([].list) named({}.hash)>␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«Error eval perl5: "if (!$INC{'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'}) {␤ unshift @INC, '/home/p6eval/.cabal/share/Pugs-6.2.13.16/blib6/pugs/perl5/lib';␤ eval q[require 'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'] or die $@;␤}␤'Pugs::Runtime::Match::HsBridge'␤"␤*** '<HANDLE>' trapped b…
dalek kudo/nom: 3bc839c | jnthn++ | src/ops/perl6.ops:
Make the shiftpush op a bunch more efficient when handling more than a single element. We still call it with 1 far, far too often, but this helps for the other cases. for 1..100000 { } gets 3 times faster with this patch, for example.
soh_cah_toa ng: say "foobar" ~~ /<!before _> oo/
TimToady and just to make jnthn's day... 00:11
perl6: my $x = <a b c d>; say %$x.perl
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT«*** Cannot cast into Hash: VRef <Array:0x7f0154cbc7c9>␤ at /tmp/FQXywA6RWY line 1, column 24 - line 2, column 1␤»
..rakudo cbe898: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Non-declarative sigil is missing its name at line 1, near "%$x.perl"␤»
..niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«{"a" => "b", "c" => "d"}.hash␤»
soh_cah_toa ugh, seems like i run into every nyi feature when i need it most :(
jnthn TimToady: moritz already asked me about that one today... 00:12
TimToady yes, why I brought it up
colomon nom: say "FOOBAR".match(/oo/, :i)
p6eval nom cbe898: OUTPUT«=> <>␤␤»
TimToady last I heard you were hoping %$x <> %($x)
jnthn TimToady: no, no 00:13
TimToady but that's always how it's been, afaik
jnthn TimToady: moritz++ accidentally suggested @$x <> %($x) :)
TimToady mkay
jnthn Or some such :)
soh_cah_toa perl6: say "foobar".match(/oo/, :g) 00:14
p6eval niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«␤Unhandled Exception: Excess arguments to CORE Cool.match, unused named g␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 0 (CORE Cool.match @ 0) ␤ at /tmp/DJ7n97nqlF line 1 (MAIN mainline @ 1) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 2115 (CORE C10…
..rakudo cbe898: OUTPUT«oo␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«Error eval perl5: "if (!$INC{'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'}) {␤ unshift @INC, '/home/p6eval/.cabal/share/Pugs-6.2.13.16/blib6/pugs/perl5/lib';␤ eval q[require 'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'] or die $@;␤}␤'Pugs::Runtime::Match::HsBridge'␤"␤*** '<HANDLE>' trapped b…
jnthn TimToady: %$var...is parsed by variable?
soh_cah_toa wonderful...
TimToady jnthn: yes, via desigilname 00:15
desigilname only takes off one sigil at a time
and calls back to <variable> recursively if before a $ 00:16
jnthn ah, got it. 00:17
OK, doesn't look too hard. 00:18
But making iteration 3 times fasters has made me kinda sleeply. So, tomorrow. :) 00:19
*faster
TimToady (making iteration 3 time faster)++ 00:20
*times
jnthn for 1..100000 { } still seems to spend 80% of its time in memmove though o.O
TimToady let's see the karma bot figger *that* out...
jnthn oh, that's 200000...it isn't linear.
Ugh. 00:21
colomon jnthn++ 00:22
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mberends masak++ # first macro merge 04:00
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[Coke] I didn't see it mentioned, but thinkgeek's email newsletter name dropped Larry about his birthday. 04:17
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dalek kudo/nom: 80ee09e | Coke++ | t/spectest.data:
track failure modes.
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mberends rakudo: my @m = [1 xx 2] xx 3; say @m.perl; 05:48
p6eval rakudo 80ee09: OUTPUT«Array.new(1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)␤»
mberends niecza: my @m = [1 xx 2] xx 3; say @m.perl;
p6eval niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«[[1, 1], [1, 1], [1, 1]].list␤»
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mberends rakudo: my @m; @m[2]="A"; say @m; @m[2][0]="B"; say @m; 06:53
p6eval rakudo 80ee09: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in string context␤Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ A␤Cannot assign to a non-container␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/Q9FjmbDJBN:1␤ in <anon> at /tmp/Q9FjmbDJBN:1␤␤»
mberends b: my @m; @m[2]="A"; say @m; @m[2][0]="B"; say @m; 06:54
p6eval b 1b7dd1: OUTPUT«Any()Any()A␤Any()Any()B␤»
mberends pugs: my @m; @m[2]="A"; say @m; @m[2][0]="B"; say @m;
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT«A␤*** Can't modify constant item: VStr "A"␤ at /tmp/PtSFO41ELz line 1, column 27-39␤»
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moritz good morning 07:16
TimToady: if === is supposed to autothread over junctions, does that mean you can't test Mu === Mu?
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sorear hello, moritz 07:17
moritz hm right, S03 says so
\o sorear
dalek ast: da526e3 | moritz++ | S03-operators/value_equivalence.t:
remove Mu tests for ===
 07:18
moritz perl6: sub f(%a = ()) { say %a.perl }; f() 07:20
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT«{}␤»
..niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«()␤»
..rakudo 80ee09: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '%a'; expected Associative but got Parcel instead␤ in sub f at /tmp/oznep0oRBh:1␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/oznep0oRBh:1␤ in <anon> at /tmp/oznep0oRBh:1␤␤»
moritz pugs++
niecza is really wrong here 07:21
rakudo too
something with the % sigil cannot hold a Parce
mberends niecza: my @m = [1 xx 2] xx 3; @m[0][0] = 2; say @m.perl # sorear: binding instead of assignment?
p6eval niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«[[2, 1], [2, 1], [2, 1]].list␤»
moritz mberends: the problem is that [] xx 3 returns the *same* array 3 times 07:22
mberends: so niecza is correct here
mberends # locally got: [[2, 1], [2, 1], [2, 1]].list expected: [[2, 1], [1, 1], [1, 1]].list 07:24
dalek ast: 8187463 | moritz++ | S32-temporal/DateTime-Instant-Duration.t:
avoid useless default value
moritz mberends: well, that test is bogus then
mberends moritz: thanks, it's only a local test, I'll rewrite my code :) 07:27
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sorear moritz: I think rakudo is right-est here. niecza is just showing the old "no roles" 07:30
moritz: if you want my %h = () semantics, use 'is copy'
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dalek ast: 9fb628f | moritz++ | S32-temporal/DateTime-Instant-Duration.t:
correct previous commit
kudo/nom: a78398a | moritz++ | src/core/ (2 files):
avoid assigning defaults of wrong type
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Woodi hallo 07:41
dalek ast: fe02f96 | moritz++ | S02-types/array.t:
test for RT #76676, indexing an array with a range clips to the exisiting elements
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Woodi I read yesterday such strange sentence - it says "modern Web languages" and later "Ruby" and "Python"...
dalek ast: 23dd35a | moritz++ | S03-junctions/misc.t:
remove more outdated === tests
 07:43
Woodi know it's about that languages libraries not core
moritz TimToady: should eqv also be limited to Any? 07:44
Woodi so: what functionality make language "modern" for the Web ?
moritz Woodi: well, those languages gained a lot of users due to web stuff
Woodi rails, but i look for some general-but-practical definition :) 07:45
to use in Perl context :) 07:46
mberends Woodi: imho languages designed later than html and http would qualify as recent enough, but "modern" is a slippery term, like "new" ;) 07:48
moritz hey, perl is even postmodern :-) 07:49
dalek ast: 9e5e20c | moritz++ | S16-io/say.t:
correct say.t, and add a test for .print
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GlitchMr42 rakudo: eval("sub perl{42}") for <perl is nice language at least for me>; print erl && language || is nice(at least for me) 08:01
p6eval rakudo a78398: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Non-declarative sigil is missing its name at line 1, near "&& languag"␤»
GlitchMr42 rakudo: eval("sub perl{42}") for <perl is nice language at least for me>; print perl && language || is nice(at least for me)
p6eval rakudo a78398: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Non-declarative sigil is missing its name at line 1, near "&& languag"␤»
GlitchMr42 niecza: eval("sub perl{42}") for <perl is nice language at least for me>; print perl && language || is nice(at least for me)
p6eval niecza v10-23-g50e0320: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Non-declarative sigil is missing its name at /tmp/oFBEGuIsXk line 1:␤------> e language at least for me>; print perl ⏏&& language || is nice(at least for me)␤␤Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ …
mberends GlitchMr42: where is 'language' defined? 08:09
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im2ee Hello! :) 08:17
mberends hello im2ee! 08:19
dalek ecza: 2e3e4ba | (Paweł Murias)++ | / (3 files):
Perl 5 methods can return a value.
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pmurias mberends: i get System.DllNotFoundException: gdiplus.dll when trying to run the notepad example 08:41
mberends pmurias: I have no idea where that dependency comes from, here on Ubuntu there is no gdiplus installed :( 08:43
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pmurias mberends: turns out i had to install that when building a mono from source but i didn't 08:49
mberends pmurias: good :) please forgive small notepad deficiencies, patches welcome 08:51
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Woodi what are steps to use niecza on Linux ? assuming I have distro with good repository like Debian :) 08:54
mberends Woodi: something like: sudo apt-get install mono-gmcs libmono-dev libmono-system2.0-cil # and maybe some others 08:58
pmurias Woodi: then clone niecza from github 09:00
Woodi: and type make
Woodi: if you encounter problems mention them on the channel 09:01
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GlitchMr rakudo: eval"print 42" 09:10
p6eval rakudo a78398: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused at line 1, near "eval\"print"␤»
GlitchMr rakudo: eval "print 42"
p6eval rakudo a78398: OUTPUT«42»
GlitchMr No Perl 5 like function"arg" :).
I like it :).
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dalek ecza: 7dbc457 | (Paweł Murias)++ | examples/term-ansicolor.pl:
Add example which prints out "Hello Colorful World" using p5
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mberends ooh!
moritz fwiw making === autothread breaks lots of spectests that assume you can compare type objects with === 09:23
now what should I use for asking "are those two type objects the same?"
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dalek ecza: e1988ad | (Paweł Murias)++ | / (3 files):
Perl 6 string can be converted to Perl 5 strings.
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ast: ac7ea9d | moritz++ | S (2 files):
correct or remove tests that assume you can compare type objects with ===
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mberends pmurias: this is happening to all p5 examples locally: gist.github.com/1257273 09:34
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dalek kudo/nom: f7cc866 | moritz++ | src/core/ (2 files):
infix === is an Any operator
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kudo/nom: 3515e47 | moritz++ | src/core/ (2 files):
fix Dateish.truncate-parts signature; simplify eqv
ecza: 935bc30 | (Paweł Murias)++ | / (3 files):
Perl 5 code refs are invokable.
 09:41
pmurias mberends: hmm
mberends: you typed "make perl5"?
mberends pmurias: yes. now git pulled again and made perl5, same result 09:42
pmurias no exception message at all? 09:43
just a segfault?
mberends pmurias: that's the strange thing, no message at all above the stacktrace 09:44
dalek ecza: ee9b534 | (Paweł Murias)++ | lib/p5embed.c:
Add debugging statements to p5 eval.
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pmurias meraxes: try with that
mberends pmurias: ok
says # evaling code... Stacktrace: at (wrapper managed-to-native) Perl5Interpreter.EvalPerl5 09:47
pmurias do you have a threading perl? 09:48
tadzik task for today: Perl6TheBook.mobi 09:49
pmurias tadzik: you have a kindle? 09:50
tadzik pmurias: yep
pmurias: and I have a friend who wants a .mobi too :)
mberends pmurias: yes, perl -V includes USE_ITHREADS and some Debian threads patches
pmurias mberends: you get the same error with just eval("1",:lang<perl5>)? 09:52
dalek ast: c47bf35 | moritz++ | S05-grammar/action-stubs.t:
test that make({}) sets .ast to a Hash (RT #78510)
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pmurias tadzik: what do you read on the kindle? i have one too but it seems hard to find interesting books that display correctly on that
mberends pmurias: yes, exactly the same, also initially # evaling code...
pmurias: I'll install a local perlbrew, that will take a few minutes 09:54
moritz rakudo: class A {}; subset B of A; say A ~~ B; say B ~~ A 09:55
p6eval rakudo a78398: OUTPUT«Bool::True␤Bool::True␤»
dalek ecza: 9443cf8 | (Paweł Murias)++ | lib/p5embed.c:
some more debugging statements
 10:03
pmurias mberends: how far does it get now? 10:04
mberends pmurias: # initialising perl # initialised perl # evaling code <1>... Stacktrace: 10:05
pmurias: # initialising perl # initialised perl # evaling code <use Term::ANSIColor;>... Stacktrace: 10:07
tadzik pmurias: currently SICP, I read the Pragmatic Programmer recently, I also have a nicely-formatted Operating Systems Design and Implementation
pmurias: also non-technical stuff, like HPatMoR, some good, ol' SF, The God Delusion recently 10:08
Woodi thanx pmurias++ :) will try 10:10
tadzik pmurias: I'm yet to see a book in which the source code will be readable :) 10:13
dalek ast: d7a95cb | moritz++ | S12-subset/subtypes.t:
tests for RT #78748
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moritz rakudo: say %*ENV.exists('FOO'); say %*ENV<FOO>.defined; 10:17
p6eval rakudo 3515e4: OUTPUT«Bool::False␤Bool::False␤»
GlitchMr rakudo: say $A.defined 10:19
p6eval rakudo 3515e4: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Symbol '$A' not predeclared in <anonymous> (/tmp/6S1lKBG9to:1)␤»
GlitchMr rakudo: eval "my \$$_" for 'A'..'Z', 'a'..'z';say $A.defined
p6eval rakudo 3515e4: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Symbol '$A' not predeclared in <anonymous> (/tmp/wHDnHT3LR2:1)␤»
GlitchMr rakudo: $_='a'; say "my \$$_" 10:20
p6eval rakudo 3515e4: OUTPUT«my $a␤»
GlitchMr ...
Oh, I see... eval
rakudo: eval "our \$$_" for 'A'..'Z', 'a'..'z';say $A.defined
p6eval rakudo 3515e4: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Symbol '$A' not predeclared in <anonymous> (/tmp/lejP7WvQ2v:1)␤»
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GlitchMr lol I accidental part 10:21
mberends GlitchMr: Perl 6 is always like P5's use strict 'refs'; 10:23
dalek ast: bd97a90 | moritz++ | S02-magicals/env.t:
test non-existing env variables
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pmurias mberends: did you try on a newely brewed perl? 10:39
dalek ecza: 8dbcaa8 | (Paweł Murias)++ | lib/Perl5Interpreter.cs:
one more debug statement
mberends pmurias: waiting for the brew to finish. Will try this update with resident perl. 10:40
pmurias the update won't help much
mberends yep, just the same output 10:41
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jnthn afternoon o/ 10:44
mberends o/ jnthn
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dalek ecza: bf4e20a | (Paweł Murias)++ | lib/p5embed.c:
remove suspect PERL_SET_CONTEXT
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pmurias mberends: could you check with that commit, found a dubious cargo culted statement
mberends pmurias: sure 10:54
pmurias: exact same # initialising perl # initialised perl # evaling code <use Term::ANSIColor;>... Stacktrace: 10:55
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dalek ast: 17393d0 | moritz++ | S03-operators/value_equivalence.t:
wee rakudo unfudge
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jnthn Aww...just a wee one. :) 11:19
ingy q: which is a better name for a module dealing with p6 regexes?: Foo::P6Regex Foo::P6Rules Foo::Perl6 Foo::Perl6Regexes Foo::Perl6Rulez 11:26
what's your name du jour? 11:27
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dalek p: b6f7885 | tadzik++ | VERSION:
Bump VERSION, sirmacik++ for noticing
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tadzik long story short, 2011.09 release is a fail 11:53
it uses VERSION for gen-version.pl, and Rakudo recognises 2011.09 as 2011.05
my guess is that no one noticed, because everyone uses everything straight from git 11:57
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mberends yes, no worries. As long as it's fixed for the long term. 11:58
tadzik I'll poke the case on #phasers, I suppose nqp needs to be released as carefully as rakudo now
well, "no worries", I am worried, archlinux maintainers are now going crazy trying to package rakudo 11:59
debianeers will probably go crazy too if only they updated their repos more often than once a year :P 12:00
Woodi tadzik: well, I tried to write some module and best choice was to implement for Rakudo 2011.07, which is Star i think... 12:01
bleeding edge requires recompiling after every dalek++ notice :) 12:02
flussence (I've considered writing a script to check github's rss and do it for me...) 12:04
Woodi but this makes problem... somethink work on Star and not on nom branch - i use deprecated feature or still broken in dev branch ??
flussence: but before compilation finishes there is new commit announced :) 12:05
eg: 12:07
rakudo: class A { our %h = { 'a' => 1, 'b' => 2 } }
p6eval rakudo 3515e4: OUTPUT«Method 'STORE' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤ in <anon> at /tmp/jMPRTnbZIN:1␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/jMPRTnbZIN:1␤ in <anon> at /tmp/jMPRTnbZIN:1␤␤»
tadzik new problem: Riga release depends on 2011.09-8-ge3d5c8b, not 2011.09 12:09
Woodi or it is module vs class problem ? i would like to move our variable to package level but package cannot be named with same name as class, so i need to change class name to something strange for me...
tadzik I suppose that might be my fault, which shows how we need to modify release_guide
moritz tadzik: I don't think it's a problem that riga depends on 2011.09-8-ge3d5c8b 12:10
tadzik moritz: so which nqp does a maintainer need to install, if he doesn't use --gen-nqp? 12:11
moritz tadzik: 2011.09-8-ge3d5c8b
sirmacik moritz: try to make its package for archlinux >.<
Woodi tadzik: it would be nice to set 'official' script for github-cloning of parrot-nqp-rakudo repositories to help packagers :)
tadzik moritz: does github allow us to download this specific release?
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moritz sirmacik: not hard if you are familiar with tar and git 12:11
tadzik Woodi: yeah, thinking about it
moritz tadzik: no, but we can make it so 12:12
tadzik moritz: the point is that the package will be built by the user with a script written by the maintaner, and the user does not neceserilly have git
it is possible to list git as a dependency, but we wanted to avoid that
jnthn I thought we tended to encourage people to package R* releases, not compiler ones? 12:13
moritz I'll create an nqp tarball
Woodi eg: cat go.perl6.sh: git clone rakudo-repo; git clone nqp-`cat NQP_VERSION`; git clone parrot-`cat parrot_ver`
jnthn class A { our %h = { 'a' => 1, 'b' => 2 } } # some bug here.
If there's not one already, an RT ticket would be good. 12:14
Woodi k
sirmacik jnthn: on archlinux rakudo won't build without pre-installed parrot
Woodi sirmacik: rakudo requires parrot everywhere :) 12:15
sirmacik and --gen-nqp won't build on latest parrot from distribution repository
tadzik I'll raise the non-relocatable parrot issue on #ps this week, this has to stop
even Star suffers from this burden
sirmacik that's why we're trying to buid nqp package 12:16
Woodi tadzik: pls touch concurency subject in parrot too :)
moritz Woodi: that's a much longer path 12:17
ingy I'll ask again..
q: which is a better name for a module dealing with p6 regexes?: Foo::P6Regex Foo::P6Rules Foo::Perl6 Foo::Perl6Regexes Foo::Perl6Rulez
I don't really know what the official name is 12:18
tadzik Woodi: that's a matter of more than asking nicely :P
moritz github.com/perl6/nqp/downloads/ now has an nqp tarball of the correct version 12:19
I just don't know if it identifies itself correctly to rakudo's Configure.pl
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moritz ah, I start to see the problem 12:20
tadzik: do you want to make a 2011.09.1 release or so?
mberends ingy: Foo::Perl6Regexes looks the most intuitive
jnthn ingy: Prefer "Perl 6" over "P6", I think we tend to call them rules over regexes.
tadzik moritz: of Rakudo?
moritz tadzik: if that's necessary, yes 12:21
tadzik moritz: mebbe
but what do we change in it?
so a new nqp release, then a new rakudo release, targeting the fixed nqp release?
ingy I like Rules better
moritz tadzik: bump NQP_REVISION again, and note where a tarball of nqp can be found, maybe 12:22
ingy but Regexes seemed a little more asserted in S05
moritz tadzik: though I'm not fully here mentally...
tadzik me neither
moritz ingy: the advantage of 'regexes' is that people know what we mean 12:23
ingy moritz: kinda, but people don't think of regexes as PEG parser grammars, which is what they are 12:24
even if you use them where you'd use a regexp
anyway, I'll start using rules when I more mean grammars 12:25
moritz ingy: most people don't know about PEG at all 12:26
even most programmers
if you mean grammar, maybe say "grammar"?
ingy well s/PEG/bnf|recdescent|etc
grammar is a generic term 12:27
I'm looking for a term that encapsulates parsing with perl6
snarkyboojum I remember when most programmers I dealt with didn't know what a regex was either :D
ingy Perl6 Rules feels like it does that with the least confusion 12:28
snarkyboojum ingy: I agree with you fwiw :D 12:29
ingy \o/
done and done
\o
snarkyboojum we could give camelia a peg leg... 12:30
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pmurias mberends: did the new perl finish brewing? 13:39
mberends pmurias: yes, but that did not help. The brewed perl does not include a libperl :( 13:40
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pmurias mberends: what? 13:42
what's your error message?
mberends: you just did a standard perlbrew install ... invocantion?
tadzik sirmacik++ # rakudo archlinux package 13:43
sirmacik (:
mberends pmurias: the error message from Niecza is unchanged, because it still loads /usr/lib/libperl.so.5.10. The perlbrew installation produces only a bin/perl executable, not a libperl.so.*. 13:44
pmurias find ~/perl5/perlbrew/perls/ -name '*libperl*' 13:46
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pmurias i have a libperl.a here 13:47
mberends pmurias: ~/perl5/perlbrew/perls/perl-5.14.1/lib/5.14.1/i686-linux/CORE/libperl.a
env 13:48
pmurias mberends: ? 13:49
could you nopaste the result of perlbrew list?
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mberends pmurias: it's only 2 lines: * perl-5.14.1 and /usr/bin/perl (5.10.1) 13:50
pmurias: I'll try setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH, it might help 13:51
pmurias LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for runtime
perl -MExtUtils::Embed -e ccopts -e ldopts? 13:52
mberends -Wl,-E -fstack-protector -L/usr/local/lib -L/home/martin/perl5/perlbrew/perls/perl-5.14.1/lib/5.14.1/i686-linux/CORE -lperl -lnsl -ldl -lm -lcrypt -lutil -lc 13:53
-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -fstack-protector -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/home/martin/perl5/perlbrew/perls/perl-5.14.1/lib/5.14.1/i686-linux/CORE
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pmurias looks correct 13:55
make perl5 should be linking against the new perl
mberends pmurias: I was thinking to put that -L value into LD_LIBRARY_PATH before running 'make perl5'
pmurias LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for dynamic linking
mberends: how do you know that the old .so is used?
mberends: did you do make -B perl5 13:56
maybe the .so file wasn't rebuilt?
mberends pmurias: libperl.so.5.10 was named in the native Stacktrace part of gist.github.com/1257273 13:58
pmurias mberends: you are sure obj/p5embed.so was rebuilt? 13:59
mberends pmurias++: rebuilt with make -B, that fixed it :-) 14:00
Hello Colorful World :D
dalek ecza: e66416c | (Paweł Murias)++ | Makefile:
make clean now removes .so files from obj
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dalek ecza: d2614f8 | mberends++ | examples/gtk-tetris.pl:
[examples/gtk-tetris.pl] working proof of concept - patches welcome
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dalek ecza: b08643d | mberends++ | examples/gtk-tetris.pl:
[examples/gtk-tetris.pl] clear lines that are full of blocks
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kudo/nom: 1f1df92 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/ (2 files):
Support $$foo, @$foo and %$foo as equivalents for $($foo), @($foo) and %($foo).
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colomon mberends: Yes, even my terrible tetris skills aren't as bad as that last game I just played 15:51
On the bright side, it doesn't know when the game is over, either. 15:52
mberends colomon: it evokes lots of nostalgia. patches welcome! :) 15:53
colomon Can't talk, playing tetris! ;) 15:54
mberends++ 15:58
Can't begin to say how cool it is to be playing an "arcade" game written in p6.
mberends celebrates with a beer :)
colomon I'd buy one for you if I could. Bravo! 15:59
So, Gtk can handle text, too, right? 16:00
I've been meaning to write a program to help me remember to practice tunes I know, but didn't have any idea how to handle a UI for it.
mberends colomon: yes, examples/gtk-clock.pl has some text. Resizeable, too.
colomon I'm thinking Niecza+Gtk might be just the thing.
I don't need anything terribly fancy, just the ability to display, say, ten tune names at once, plus a couple of checkboxes to say "Practiced!" or "Needs extra eork!" 16:01
dalek kudo/nom: 8b07dd1 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
Fix failure to scream to the high heavens about certain redeclarations.
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mberends colomon: good idea. See the Gtk VBox, CheckButton and Label classes. 16:04
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colomon mberends++ # no time now, but I'll try to take a look at that before bed tonight, maybe 16:11
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jnthn b: say 'aa' ~~ /(.)$1/ 16:27
p6eval b 1b7dd1: OUTPUT«a␤»
jnthn Turns out that nqp-rx regexes also have this issue. 16:28
!BACKREF in QRegex essentially appears to be a port of the nqp-rx one. 16:29
I'm guessing it's "bug compatible" ;)
Unless undefined captures are menat to always be zero-width matches.
niecza: say 'aa' ~~ /(.)$1/ 16:30
p6eval niecza v10-34-gb08643d: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 613 (CORE warn @ 2) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 21 (CORE Mu.Str @ 12) ␤ at line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /tmp/VBiBHNqSIB line 1 (MAIN C3_ANON…
jnthn niecza: say ?('aa' ~~ /(.)$1/)
p6eval niecza v10-34-gb08643d: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 613 (CORE warn @ 2) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 21 (CORE Mu.Str @ 12) ␤ at line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /tmp/u7xv5kLgab line 1 (MAIN C3_ANON…
jnthn Grr, can't see if it succeeds 16:31
niecza: while ?('aa' ~~ /(.)$1/) { 1 }
p6eval niecza v10-34-gb08643d: OUTPUT«(signal XFSZ)Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 613 (CORE warn @ 2) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 21 (CORE Mu.Str @ 12) ␤ at line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at /tmp/K8pkvMbnT6 line 1 …
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jnthn oh, seems it does. 16:31
So, is RT#100472 wrong, or the implementations? 16:32
TimToady: ^^, for when you're about.
The S05 backreferences spec doesn't say either way. 16:33
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dalek Heuristic branch merge: pushed 22 commits to rakudo/optimizer by jnthn 16:38
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soh_cah_toa jnthn++ # work on optimizer 16:39
jnthn soh_cah_toa: heh, that was just merging latest stuff from nom into optimizer ;) 16:41
soh_cah_toa it's exciting though 16:44
rakudo's horribly slow speed makes regular use very frustrating
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soh_cah_toa so it's good to see work on optimization 16:44
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jnthn :) 16:45
Just going to make it catch a couple more obvious bugs at compile time. :)
Need to teach it more about variables soon I guess.
soh_cah_toa cool
jnthn Though I think before that I might try and get the work so far merged. 16:46
The optimizer branch will be where the latest cutting edge stuff gets done, and every so often, when we're comfortable with it, that gets merged into the mainline.
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soh_cah_toa has a *terrible* laptop battery 16:51
has anybody ever ordered a replacement laptop battery online and know of a reputable site? 16:52
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benabik soh_cah_toa: I tend to overpay and get OEM batteries. 16:53
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soh_cah_toa benabik: yeah, i could do that i suppose 16:54
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Woodi idea just strikes me... humans have two hands so we do multitasking by-design... imagine we have only one hand... then we need to use other algoritms in our life... would be much slower (probably)... and in traditional programming languages we use sequencial algoritms... isn't it sub optimal ? even processors have only one PC register... 17:23
dalek kudo/optimizer: bd4c869 | jnthn++ | src/binder/bind.c:
Catch a few more must-fail binds at compile time. For example, 'sub x(Int $y) { }; x('pivo')' will now be caught at CHECK time.
kudo/optimizer: 34c0d41 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Optimizer.pm:
A block with exception handlers should not be inlined; fixes one of the broken test cases.
kudo/optimizer: ec32d85 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
Fix bad interaction between anonymous parameters and inlining.
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jnthn phenny: tell moritz I've been through the tests that the optimizer failed, and dealt with the genuine optimizer issues that broke some of them. The rest look like tests that needs dies => eval_dies love. If you have a moment for that, help most welcome. :) 17:25
phenny jnthn: I'll pass that on when moritz is around.
jnthn phenny: tell moritz oh, except the undef.t one. Though that's a todo'd test already.
phenny jnthn: I'll pass that on when moritz is around.
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lichtkind seen thou 17:45
aloha thou was last seen in #perl6 2 days 2 hours ago joining the channel.
lichtkind thank you
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flussence Woodi: yep, x86 in particular gets a lot of complaints for its shortage of GPRs. There's a project going on right now to give 32-bit programs access to the extra 64-bit registers - sites.google.com/site/x32abi/home 17:58
tadzik can someone copypaste me the funky a in Masak? It's not even on his homepage :/ 18:05
benabik ä ?
tadzik ok, found on github
thanks :)
benabik Apple makes accented characters easy. :-)
soh_cah_toa yeah, i never know how to type unicode characters either :\
tadzik okay, I has a UsingPerl6.mobi with cover and everything :) 18:06
out 'make html' is a bit less than awesome, it doesn't escape < and > inside <code> tags
s/out/our/
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soh_cah_toa i know, it's all i can use though since i get some weird 'latex is 5 years old' error when building 18:07
tadzik uploaded to github.com/perl6/book/downloads/ 18:10
I asked Calibre nicely, but I'm still not sure if the cover's here or no
soh_cah_toa tadzik: what's a .mobi file? 18:11
tadzik soh_cah_toa: it's something that an ebook reader can display nicely
soh_cah_toa ah
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tadzik contrary to the popular belief, PDF is not a good ebook format 18:12
soh_cah_toa tadzik: how come?
tadzik soh_cah_toa: they don't scale well
benabik Lack of reflow, for one.
I prefer ePub, myself. 18:13
tadzik they're page oriented too, a page on a pdf is not something to fit on a 6" screen
I've never seen an ePub myself :)
benabik ePub is essentially zipped HTML.
(Simplified HTML) 18:14
tadzik nice
I just processed UsingPerl6.html with kindlegen (amazon tool), and got UsingPerl6.mobi
benabik Yeah. Kindles don't support ePub for some reason. 18:15
tadzik They don't?
I thought they do
benabik Nope. Calibre and others will convert them to Mobipocket though. 18:16
tadzik but that'd explain why do they always publish ePubs and "mobi for the Kindle"
benabik Yeah.
ePub is the open standard for ebooks though. It's an irritation to me that Kindles don't support it. 18:17
tadzik yeah, that sounds wrong
soh_cah_toa of course not. b/c it's open
tadzik isn't mobi open?
benabik .mobi is from Mobipocket SA 18:18
Bought by Amazon.
tadzik that explains it
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dalek kudo/optimizer: 90c4020 | jnthn++ | src/binder/multidispatch.c:
Catch some type cases of multi dispatch being impossible also.
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sorear phenny: tell mberends sudo apt-get install mono-complete. the other mono packages exist for the sake of dependencies and should not be installed manuall 19:05
phenny sorear: I'll pass that on when mberends is around.
mberends sorear, phenny: ah, thanks. This Ubuntu has a frugal Mono install, occasionally runs into missing deps as you've explained. 19:07
phenny mberends: 19:05Z <sorear> tell mberends sudo apt-get install mono-complete. the other mono packages exist for the sake of dependencies and should not be installed manuall
sorear I guess if you're on a slow and/or metered connection it might also make sense to install an incomplete mono 19:08
mberends by a process of dependency creep, an incomplete mono aymptotically approaches mono-complete over time 19:11
sorear pmurias++
well, mono-complete includes a lot of stuff that niecza isn't likely to use anytime soon 19:12
like the asp.net support libs
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Patterner gentoo has no mono-complete :( 19:27
moritz o/ 20:05
phenny moritz: 17:25Z <jnthn> tell moritz I've been through the tests that the optimizer failed, and dealt with the genuine optimizer issues that broke some of them. The rest look like tests that needs dies => eval_dies love. If you have a moment for that, help most welcome. :)
moritz: 17:25Z <jnthn> tell moritz oh, except the undef.t one. Though that's a todo'd test already.
jnthn o/ moritz 20:07
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moritz jnthn: did you fix the Inf thing in optimizer? 20:08
dalek kudo/nom: d3d3ae1 | moritz++ | t/spectest.data:
run say.t
jnthn moritz: As in, the num with Inf and NaN one? 20:12
moritz jnthn: yes
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jnthn moritz: yes, it was a few days ago, I think :) 20:13
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sorear good * #perl6 20:19
mberends good * sorear
moritz jnthn: will look into the fallout tomorrow 20:20
I just did a very classic mistake 20:24
ran spectest with 3 concurrent jobs
and in another console typed 'uptime'
and wondered that the load average was < 0.2
so I restarted the spectest with 6 concurrent jobs
and... the load average dropped even further
because that other terminal had in fact a ssh session to another host open :-) 20:25
jnthn hehe :)
moritz and it was in the local network, so the latency was too small to notice 20:26
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moritz 756 open tickets 20:32
I believe this is more than 100 less than two weeks ago
jnthn Yes, it is :) 20:36
Amazing work :) 20:37
I fixed a couple of bugs today that should let us close a couple more too :)
benabik Is this things nom fixed or just attacking bugs?
jnthn Currently working on iteration performance.
benabik: A lot is things nom fixed, but I've attacked various bugs of late too :) 20:38
moritz benabik: in particular nom leaks far less parrot objects into p6 space
which often led to generic "weird behavior"
jnthn: many of the new error messages seem to have the line number off by one 20:39
jnthn: ie the error is often reported one line above the actual error 20:40
jnthn moritz: In optimizer? 20:41
The CHECK time ones? 20:42
Or somewhere else?
moritz jnthn: yes to both
jnthn moritz: OK, thanks...will investigate.
One fun discovery earlier is that 20:43
sub foo($, $, $x) { $x }; foo(1,2,3)
Is reduced by the optimizer now to just 3 :)
moritz \o/ 20:44
jnthn Well, it's not so \o/ if 1 and 2 were things that had side-effects... 20:45
So, will need to fix that one.
dalek ast: 7db2936 | moritz++ | S (8 files):
move a few dying tests to string eval, because an optimizer (erm, the optimizer :-) catches them at compile time
moritz this is not even close to all of the failures, rest tomrrow
moritz -> sleep
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jnthn moritz++, sleep well 20:47
im2ee Good night! :) o/ 21:16
jnthn dobranoc, im2ee 21:17
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djspy187 So seriously guys I'm already for Perl6 21:20
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sorear djspy187: Hello and welcome to #perl6. 21:31
djspy187: Is there anything we can help you with?
djspy187 ;-) I'd like to say I like Perl and would love to start using Perl6 in production environment. You guys are gr8! 21:39
sorear Thanks 21:41
although this number-coding is a pet peeve of mine. especially the people who say "3q"
djspy187 what is three queue suppose to mean? 21:43
Is it like thank you?
sorear in East Asian languages, 3 is pronounced san
jnthn "freak"? :)
oh :)
sorear which is phonemically the same as than 21:44
djspy187 oh damn that is particularly bad 21:45
Also 'ty' annoys me
or 'ta'
which is suppose to be thank you or thanks alot
mberends ta pronounced tah is much older than the internet 21:49
djspy187 mberends: Yeah that word freakin annoys me 21:50
mberends: If someone did something to deserve a thank you at least you can say the whole word ;-)
mberends djspy187: you're quite right there :) 21:51
dalek ok: 4a4df08 | soh_cah_toa++ | src/subs-n-sigs.pod:
Made numerous additions and fixes to Chapter 4. Added 'Return Types', 'Required Parameters', and 'Abstract and Concrete Parameters' sections. Fixed example in 'Interpolating Arrays and Hashes'. Added some extra verbosity to several paragraphs.
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jnthn heh, "ta" is quite common in some dialects in England. Including the one I was born in :P 21:56
er, the one spoken where I was born. )
dalek ok: 0d5ec05 | soh_cah_toa++ | lib/book.sty:
Added myself to the credits.
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jnthn seems to be much of the way to a patch that will let us do for loops over large numbers of elements without spending 90% of the time in memmove... 21:59
Tene jnthn: nice
jnthn Long story short, for 1..$n { } is meant to be O($n), but was accidentally more like O($n ** 2) 22:02
sorear resists the urge to yell 'told you so' 22:03
jnthn sorear: Well, I've seen it in various timings. This is the first time I've dug into the mode and worked out why.
*code
sorear someone I'm helping off-channel wrote eval { ... } and it's not working 22:04
because, well, it should be try
I guess I ought to make eval take a Str arguemnt
jnthn nom: eval { 42 } 22:05
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '$code'; expected Str but got Block instead␤ in sub eval at src/gen/CORE.setting:420␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/5VqgA06CW9:1␤ in <anon> at /tmp/5VqgA06CW9:1␤␤»
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sorear o/ pmurias 22:20
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soh_cah_toa sorear: remember the other day i asked about negative lookahead assertions? didn't you recommend an alternate syntax? something like <-[\n]> i think? 22:22
sorear: apparantly, <!before foo> doesn't work on rakudo :(
sorear <-[\n]> and <!before \n> are the ways I recommended 22:23
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soh_cah_toa ok 22:23
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sorear wait, those aren't quite the same 22:24
<-[\n]> matches any character other than \n
<![\n]> matches zero-width but not before \n
<-[\n]> is like [ <!before \n> . ]
soh_cah_toa right 22:25
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sorear perl6: say ?/ ^ <!before \n> /, ?/ ^ <![\n]> / for "", "\n", "n", "\\" 22:25
p6eval niecza v10-34-gb08643d: OUTPUT«Bool::TrueBool::True␤Bool::FalseBool::False␤Bool::TrueBool::True␤Bool::TrueBool::True␤»
..rakudo d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Method 'match' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤ in method Bool at src/gen/CORE.setting:6255␤ in sub prefix:<?> at src/gen/CORE.setting:1712␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/Oz0uE3s4K9:1␤ in method reify at src/gen/CORE.setting:3748␤ in method reify at src/gen/CO…
..pugs: OUTPUT«Error eval perl5: "if (!$INC{'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'}) {␤ unshift @INC, '/home/p6eval/.cabal/share/Pugs-6.2.13.16/blib6/pugs/perl5/lib';␤ eval q[require 'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'] or die $@;␤}␤'Pugs::Runtime::Match::HsBridge'␤"␤*** '<HANDLE>' trapped b…
sorear perl6: say ?($_ ~~ / ^ <!before \n> /), " ", ?($_ ~~ / ^ <![\n]> /) for "", "\n", "n", "\\" 22:26
p6eval rakudo d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Method 'before' not found for invocant of class 'Cursor'␤ in regex <anon> at /tmp/U6U0ucoV4Z:1␤ in method ACCEPTS at src/gen/CORE.setting:6251␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/U6U0ucoV4Z:1␤ in method reify at src/gen/CORE.setting:3748␤ in method reify at src/gen/CORE.…
..niecza v10-34-gb08643d: OUTPUT«Bool::True Bool::True␤Bool::False Bool::False␤Bool::True Bool::True␤Bool::True Bool::True␤»
..pugs: OUTPUT«Error eval perl5: "if (!$INC{'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'}) {␤ unshift @INC, '/home/p6eval/.cabal/share/Pugs-6.2.13.16/blib6/pugs/perl5/lib';␤ eval q[require 'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'] or die $@;␤}␤'Pugs::Runtime::Match::HsBridge'␤"␤*** '<HANDLE>' trapped b…
sorear rakudo: say ?($_ ~~ / ^ <![\n]> /) for "", "\n", "n", "\\" 22:27
p6eval rakudo d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Bool::False␤Bool::True␤Bool::False␤Bool::True␤»
sorear rakudo: say ?($_ ~~ eval "/ ^ <![\\\n]> /") for "", "\n", "n", "\\"
p6eval rakudo d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Bool::False␤Bool::False␤Bool::True␤Bool::True␤»
sorear rakudo: say ?($_ ~~ eval "/ ^ <![\n]> /") for "", "\n", "n", "\\" 22:28
p6eval rakudo d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Bool::False␤Bool::True␤Bool::True␤Bool::True␤»
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sorear jnthn: do you know enough about the regex system to help soh_cah_toa? 22:29
jnthn sorear: I know <!before ...> is not re-implemented yet.
soh_cah_toa :(
jnthn I guess <![\n]> maybe isn't either. 22:30
soh_cah_toa soh_cah_toa ~~ /<!happy>/
i wanna appened an octothorpe to the beginning of a string but i also want it to work w/ embedded newlines 22:32
$msg ~~ s/^ <!before \#>/\# <space>/;
$msg ~~ s:g/\n <!before \#>/\n \# <space>/;
^ no longer works :(
sorear phenny: tell masak I have a new crazy dream: p5 in p6 using the macro infrastructure, probably with a few ad-hoc extensions. 22:33
phenny sorear: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
jnthn soh_cah_toa: Sorry it's still missing. pmichaud++ has had extremely limited (unexpectedly so) tuits to work on regex stuff in nom of late, and nobody else is yet up to speed on QRegex enough to fix things like that. 22:34
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soh_cah_toa yeah, it's alright i guess 22:34
i wish i could fix it myself but there's not much low hanging fruit in rakudo :\ 22:35
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soh_cah_toa btw, i'm working on a Test::Builder module. would somebody be willing to add it to the ecosystem for me? 22:40
github.com/soh-cah-toa/p6-test-builder
soh_cah_toa doesn't have a commit bit
it's only a few days old but eventually i'd like to see Test.pm be built on it :) 22:41
sorear soh_cah_toa: where is the ecosystem? 22:44
jnthn sorear: perl6
sorear: I don't think I have privs to grant soh_cah_toa a commit bit there
sorear mumbles about the proliferation of p6 testing modules
jnthn: I do
jnthn Only you/TimToady/pmichaud/moritz
jnthn is not trusted :P
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sorear done. 22:45
soh_cah_toa sorear++ 22:46
great, thanks
sorear jnthn: do you want to be?
jnthn sorear: I don't mind either way; I guess spreading the load of giving out commit bits can be good though. 22:47
sorear: Being able to give out nqp-rx bits would be especially useful.
[Coke] jnthn++ #optimizer goodness. 22:48
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jnthn nom: say 286.105 / 7.003 23:04
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«40.8546337284021␤»
dalek kudo/nom: af0d2e1 | jnthn++ | src/core/MapIter.pm:
Fix mis-design in MapIter that led to it being quadratic rather than linear order. Now, 'for 1..1000000 { $i++ }' runs around 40 times faster. No spectest regressions.
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soh_cah_toa perl6: #`{ HAI CAN HAS STDIO? } my $lolcode; say $lolcode.WHY 23:13
p6eval niecza v10-34-gb08643d: OUTPUT«␤Unhandled Exception: Unable to resolve method WHY in class Any␤ at /tmp/6W9mQYwnye line 1 (MAIN mainline @ 1) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 2115 (CORE C1022_ANON @ 2) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 2116 (CORE module-COR…
..pugs: ( no output )
..rakudo d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Any()␤»
soh_cah_toa aw...still no declarator blocks yet?
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jnthn I thought the sytnax for pod doc was #= 23:17
soh_cah_toa oh yeah 23:18
perl6: #={ HAI CAN HAS STDIO? } my $lolcode; say $lolcode.WHY
p6eval pugs, rakudo d3d3ae: ( no output )
..niecza v10-34-gb08643d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Action method comment:sym<#=(...)> not yet implemented at /tmp/RULsE59NtM line 1:␤------> #={ HAI CAN HAS STDIO? }⏏ my $lolcode; say $lolcode.WHY␤␤␤Unhandled Exception: Check failed␤␤ at /home/p6eval/niec…
soh_cah_toa :(
jnthn However, 1) you can't do it to variables yet, and 2) even when you can, it'll have to be $lolcode.VAR.WHY
nom: #={ HAI CAN HAS STDIO? } class C { }; say C.WHY 23:19
p6eval nom d3d3ae: ( no output )
jnthn oh...hmm...does #= take a blocky thing after it?
sorear nom: #| HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say C.WHY 23:20
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Any()␤»
sorear nom: #= HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say C.WHY
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Block::Declarator<3648813062187568205>␤»
sorear nom: #= HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say ~C.WHY
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Block::Declarator<5379478159188087177>␤»
sorear nom: #= HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say C.WHY.^methods(:local) 23:21
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«set_docee WHEREFORE␤»
sorear nom: #= HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say C.WHEREFORE
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Method 'WHEREFORE' not found for invocant of class 'C'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/VJubm1Mc9Q:2␤ in <anon> at /tmp/VJubm1Mc9Q:1␤␤»
sorear nom: #= HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say C.WHY.^methods(:all)
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«too many named arguments: 1 passed, 0 used␤ in methods at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:365␤ in method dispatch:<.^> at src/gen/CORE.setting:709␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/URnqCIGQhe:2␤ in <anon> at /tmp/URnqCIGQhe:1␤␤»
sorear wah?
nom: #= HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say C.WHY.^parents
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Block() Any() Mu()␤»
jnthn tadzik: See ^^ 23:22
sorear nom: #= HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say C.HOW.WHY
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Method 'WHY' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/YCpbc_Aez1:2␤ in <anon> at /tmp/YCpbc_Aez1:1␤␤»
jnthn nom: #= HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say C.^doc
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Method 'doc' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW'␤ in method dispatch:<.^> at src/gen/CORE.setting:709␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/j2b_62cF0C:2␤ in <anon> at /tmp/j2b_62cF0C:1␤␤»
jnthn nom: #= HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say C.^docs
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«too many positional arguments: 2 passed, 1 expected␤ in docs at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:68␤ in method dispatch:<.^> at src/gen/CORE.setting:709␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/ISFtxain4h:2␤ in <anon> at /tmp/ISFtxain4h:1␤␤»
jnthn huh
sorear nom: #= HAI CAN HAS STDIO? ␤ class C { }; say C.HOW.docs
p6eval nom d3d3ae: OUTPUT«Block::Declarator<7529203389254166775>␤»
jnthn That really, really should stringify better than that. 23:23
sorear jnthn: it does seem that I have rights to add owners. if you want to be in the group, and moritz doesn't object, I'll add you 23:28
jnthn ok
alright, time to rest. I've a pretty tough $dayjob week ahead.
night o/ 23:29
sorear night!
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soh_cah_toa perl6: "foobar".subst(/o/, /e/, :g).say 23:58
p6eval rakudo af0d2e: OUTPUT«Method '!cursor_start' not found for invocant of class 'Match'␤ in regex <anon> at /tmp/EK8i6CJD31:1␤ in method reify at src/gen/CORE.setting:3748␤ in method reify at src/gen/CORE.setting:3653␤ in method reify at src/gen/CORE.setting:3653␤ in method gimme at s… 23:59
..niecza v10-34-gb08643d: OUTPUT«␤Unhandled Exception: No value for parameter self in MAIN C2_ANON␤ at /tmp/XMeEtHcB1Q line 0 (MAIN C2_ANON @ 0) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 263 (CORE Cool.subst @ 32) ␤ at /tmp/XMeEtHcB1Q line 1 (MAIN mainline @ 1) ␤ at /home/p6eval/…
..pugs: OUTPUT«Error eval perl5: "if (!$INC{'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'}) {␤ unshift @INC, '/home/p6eval/.cabal/share/Pugs-6.2.13.16/blib6/pugs/perl5/lib';␤ eval q[require 'Pugs/Runtime/Match/HsBridge.pm'] or die $@;␤}␤'Pugs::Runtime::Match::HsBridge'␤"␤*** '<HANDLE>' trapped b…

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