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Set by sorear on 4 February 2011.
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pmichaud I don't think my first talk has made it to YouTube yet. 00:26
I'm really eager/hoping to see the lightning talk make it.
For the blacked out parts, my slides are available at pmichaud.com/2012/pres/ if it helps.
afk # sleep or something like that 00:27
sorear pmichaud: why blackouts?
copyright zealotry?
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colomon what was the lightning talk on? 00:38
cog__ pmichaud, thx for the links 00:48
sorear o/ kst 00:49
cog__ pmichaud, I don't understand this slide. pmichaud.com/2012/pres/yapcna-lists...g.html#end 01:08
how come it does not always say "cherry"? 01:09
ok, I got it. the container is replaced by a value. But the container content is unchanged. 01:12
bedtime overdue, I am becoming dense. 01:13
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[Coke] Perl6-Slurp-0.051000 [Download] [Browse] 14 Jun 2012 01:43
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[Coke] we need this: ghci's ":info (+) 01:55
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alester So did I recall pmichaud saying that Perl 6 was almost half C now? 02:13
s/Perl6/Rakudo/
sorear o/ alester 02:14
alester hiya
quietfanatic I I recall his pie chart correctly, it's about a third C, a third NQP, and a third Perl 6 02:17
*If I recall
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quietfanatic alester: pmichaud.com/2012/pres/yapcna-perfl...ide37.html 02:19
alester That's a lot of C for me to play with.
I like C.
I can instrument it.
mmmm. 02:20
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quietfanatic C is nice. 02:20
but can't really be ported to VMs I think
This
C is mostly extensions to Parrot, I believe
JimmyZ_ alester: the most C code is 3rdparty 02:21
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alester Did I miss two parties already? 02:21
JimmyZ_ alester: most c code is here github.com/perl6/nqp/tree/master/3rdparty, I think ;) 02:22
alester aha
I didn't realize that rakudo and nqp were two different projects
sorear forgivable, they are both pmichaud/jnthn projects 02:23
alester Clearly I have been out of p6 land for a while
sorear and they are much more tightly coupled to each other than either is to Parrot
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dalek ecza/non-bootstrap: 412d3a1 | sorear++ | lib/ (4 files):
Actions pt 10
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pmichaud I didn't count 3rdparty in that pie chart 03:16
the pie chart is nqp-specific code 03:17
the 3rdparty libraries are separate from that (just as I wouldn't include the line counts for icu, parrot, etc.)
alester: ^^^
the c code in nqp could use some love, yes. we get a fair number of gcc warnings from the code (primarily because jnthn++ develops in a windows environment) 03:18
alester My ack -f --cc | xargs wc -l only comes up with 3477 lines.
gcc warngings?!?!
pmichaud it's entirely possible that my script counted the wrong things 03:19
alester COMPILER WARNING SILENCER MAN TO THE RESCUE
pmichaud alester: let me know if you need any commit bits (I suspect you already have them)
let me re-run my counter
alester on rakduo/raukudo?
pmichaud oh!
no, the counts were for rakudo/rakudo and perl6/nqp combined 03:20
perl6/nqp is the one that gives us all the compiler warnings
alester ok 03:21
YAPC always makes me so inspired to want to work on stuff. 03:22
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alester aww man I actualy have to install Parrot? 03:38
Man, I haven't been paying attention. All these new nicks I've never heard before. 03:39
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pmichaud git://gist.github.com/2943337.git # list of files by repo and source code type 03:45
oops
gist.github.com/2943337 # with the correct protocol :-)
it's entirely possible that this list includes some sources we aren't actually using 03:46
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sorear n: sub foo($ [] []) { } 05:04
p6eval niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Cannot have more than one sub-signature for a pparameter at /tmp/pucIJ3bafx line 1:␤------> sub foo($ [] [⏏]) { }␤␤Potential difficulties:␤ &foo is declared but not used at /tmp/pucIJ3bafx line 1:␤------> …
sorear n: :([] [])
p6eval niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Cannot have more than one sub-signature for a pparameter at /tmp/Ck7sL3mslB line 1:␤------> :([] [⏏])␤␤Action method fakesignature not yet implemented at /tmp/Ck7sL3mslB line 1:␤------> :([] []⏏[…
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sorear o/ mberends 05:35
mberends o/ sorear
ok, moritz++ is now even more married than he was already :-) Great party! 05:36
sorear wow. I knew I hadn't seen you for a while, but dec 5? 05:37
sorear hugs mberends
mberends hugs sorear back
sorear: some backlogs suggested you're thinking of dropping out of your studies. Please don't, I carry a deep regret for a similar mistake. 05:39
sorear it really, really sucks to make a difficult decision and then have people you thought were your friends complain about it. 05:43
mberends I'm sorry to upset you, but I care too much to stand idly by. 05:46
sorear I suspect that our circumstances are radically different 05:47
mine has everything to do with a crashing state education budget adding two years to my transfer time 05:48
i'd be perfectly happy to resume education in a place with actually working schools
mberends that is a big problem, and I saw that you had given it plenty of hard thought 05:49
I keep desiring to catch up the qualification deficit afterwards, and get blocked by tuit shortage. Next week I'll be seeing a university college in London with the same purpose again. 05:51
sorear right now half the internet is telling me that an AS is not worth three years of my life, and the other half is saying it is
so I'm just going to ignore the internet and follow my heart
mberends ok, I won't nag
sorear sorry for reacting so harshly. 06:05
mberends no worries, you'll be fine, me too :-) 06:07
dalek ecza/non-bootstrap: fbfdda5 | sorear++ | lib/ (3 files):
Actions pt 11
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moritz \o 06:38
sorear o/ moritz
moritz star: use JSON::Tiny; say from-json($_).perl for '[]', '[ ]'
p6eval star 2012.05: OUTPUT«[]␤[]␤»
moritz sisar: ^^
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sisar moritz: ah. thanks. 06:39
nr: gist.github.com/2943732 06:44
p6eval rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Colons may not be used to delimit quoting constructs at line 5, near ":to 'END';"␤»
..niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: open may not be used in safe mode␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 0 (open @ 0) ␤ at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0) ␤ at <unknown> line 0 (&open @ 0) ␤ at /tmp/TUdbQ70YaL line 3 (mainline @ 4) ␤ at /home/p6eval/nie…
sisar the gist ^^ is just a copy of github.com/colomon/panda/blob/mast...otstrap.pl 06:45
rakudo gets the line number wrong.
and interestingly, leaving aside the 'open' error, niecza doesn't complain at all about 'colons may not...'. 06:46
honestly, i don't know whether rakudo is correct or niecza 06:47
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sorear r: say q:to 'END'␤moo␤ 06:51
p6eval rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Colons may not be used to delimit quoting constructs at line 2, near ":to 'END'\n"␤»
sorear n: say q:to 'END'␤moo␤
p6eval niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Ending delimiter END not found at /tmp/OEg_NdBCJi line 2:␤------> <BOL>⏏moo␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
sorear n: say q:to 'END'␤moo␤END␤
p6eval niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«moo␤␤»
sorear r: say q:to 'END'␤moo␤END␤
p6eval rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Colons may not be used to delimit quoting constructs at line 2, near ":to 'END'\n"␤»
sorear sisar: looks like rakudo just doesn't handle here docs 06:52
sisar sorear: oh. ok. Then the wrong line no. may be forgiven until it has support for heredocs. 06:53
sorear: thanks for looking into it :)
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sorear sleep& 08:59
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sergot hi o/ :) 09:32
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sergot ą̉ 09:51
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sorry for that... :) 09:52
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colomon is more than a little surprised he used qq:to from a distance of four months after the fact.... 10:36
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Juerd O hai. feather1 had an extremely high load average. 10:41
I saw no other solution than to reboot it.
Cause: unknown. If you happen to know what caused it, please take measures to prevent it from happening again :) 10:42
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tadzik feather getting ddosed again? 10:48
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Juerd tadzik: juerd.nl/i/70ff7fd45132d6a5cb06f6d55e499f3b.png 10:52
tadzik I see, thanks 10:53
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ggoebel perl6: "happy father's day".say 12:39
p6eval rakudo a2bacb, niecza v18-7-ga660099, pugs: OUTPUT«happy father's day␤»
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[Coke] reads some real world haskell 15:24
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pmichaud good morning, #perl6 15:25
moritz good am, pm 15:27
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[Coke] ~ 15:47
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[Coke] really doesn't have the mental energy to fix Pugs. blah. 16:13
(at least not today)
pmichaud moritz: if I haven't done so already, blessing and congratulations to you (marriage). 16:14
moritz pmichaud: thank you
sorear good * #perl6 16:26
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moritz \o sorear 16:54
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sergot sorear: o/ 17:06
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[Coke] happy father's day to everyone so afflicted. ;) 17:22
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[Coke] blogs.perl.org/users/martin_berends...s-403.html 17:27
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timotimo moritz: congratulations to the both of you :] 18:49
moritz timotimo: thank you
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lichtkind TimToady: did you wrote most of the new text in the camel book? 19:51
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moritz I got the impression that TomC wrote most of the new text, and TimToady did much of the editing 20:23
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raiph moritz: congrats 20:36
moritz raiph: thanks
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lichtkind moritz: thanks 21:11
moritz: you wan't a coeditor? 21:15
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sergot good night! o/ 22:06
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tadzik o/ 22:06
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japhb phenny, tell moritz Congrats! 22:41
phenny japhb: I'll pass that on when moritz is around.
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timotimo r: sub prefix:<#>($bar) { say "got $bar"; return $bar }; # "yoink" 22:43
p6eval rakudo a2bacb: ( no output )
timotimo is # a comment character?
quietfanatic yes
timotimo facepalms
can i override that with an is parsed macro or something? 22:44
quietfanatic though perhaps prefix:<#> ought to override it
timotimo if i want to write color values as literals?
quietfanatic I don't know
timotimo right, no worries :)
quietfanatic I prefer to write colors as hex integers and have the color class automatically convert from them 22:45
if you can do that in Perl 6 yet
though maybe that's not the best anyway
timotimo yeah, but then i have to write 0x before each :P
quietfanatic yeah yeah
timotimo with an is parsed macro, i can do that automatically
quietfanatic Well I don't know how to is parsed. 22:46
timotimo i'd like to write a crazy/crappy DSL
well, macros aren't there yet, so is parsed doesn't exist yet ;)
quietfanatic subs can be is parsed too, can't they?
timotimo no idea tbh
what would that do?
quietfanatic It would be like an is parsed macro but it would be a sub 22:47
I dunno
timotimo so it would get what's inside the brackets as a string?
i don't really know what exactly is parsed means 22:48
maybe i'll quickly describe my situation 22:54
our hackerspace is getting a new light installation with controllable RGB LEDs
i'm writing a high level protocol thingie in python currently and want to redo it from scratch (including new planning) in perl6 as a DSL
(why write control flow and label support yourself if you can use your host instead) 22:55
so there would be commands like "at the cursor position, insert N colors, move the cursor position N further" and at every place you could write "random" instead of a color or position and you would be able to add fading specifications etc etc 22:56
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flussence r: sub prefix:<#>($bar) { say "got $bar"; return $bar }; \# "yoink" 23:21
p6eval rakudo a2bacb: ( no output )
flussence that one works for me locally... odd
(though not the answer you wanted :)
oh never mind... it's just returning "yoink" and the REPL prints that. Dunno why it does that though 23:22
raiph nr: sub prefix:<#> { say "foo" }; \#3; say "bar" 23:23
p6eval niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ &prefix:<#> is declared but not used at /tmp/YnoeM6Hysx line 1:␤------> sub prefix:<#> ⏏{ say "foo" }; \#3; say "bar"␤␤»
..rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«bar␤»
raiph nr: sub prefix:<#> { say "foo" }; \#3 say "bar" 23:24
p6eval rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/Go5ZKaxsZi:1␤»
..niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤ &prefix:<#> is declared but not used at /tmp/f9F1VBomMr line 1:␤------> sub prefix:<#> ⏏{ say "foo" }; \#3 say "bar"␤␤»
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