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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
Herby_ Evening, everyone! 00:17
o/ 00:20
timotimo hey herby 00:21
Herby_ How goes it? 00:22
timotimo enh, could be better. how about you? 00:23
Herby_ I can't complain 00:24
timotimo i'm watching my friend play Atelier Sophie, it's kind of soothing 00:28
Herby_ can't say I've heard of that one, looks like a PS4 game? 00:36
I'm getting annoyed at 7zip... keeps giving me a CRC error 00:37
looks like i'll be going back to WinRAR
timotimo yeah, it's the latest etnry in a long series which started on the PS2 (or maybe on the ps1 in japan only)
well, that means the file you've got is b0rked, wouldn't it?
Herby_ that's what google is telling me but WinRAR handles it just fine 00:38
timotimo oh, but atelier sophie is also out on the ps3 still, and i think also on the ps vita
Herby_ just uninstalled 7zip and reinstalled winrar, works fine
who knows
timotimo that sounds very strange, indeed
geekosaur I have heard that elsewhere as well 00:39
dunno if this is an actual problem with 7zip but it sounds suspicious
timotimo well, could be a bug in 7zip's crc implementation, but how hard is it to screw up CRC?
CRC itself is super simple
Herby_ yeah. I was wanting to give 7zip a shot since WinRAR doesn't like being called from a perl6 script 00:40
timotimo (on top of that, it's extremely vulnerable against attackers)
timotimo i just checked, the first atelier game was out on the PS1, but also on dreamcast and ported to windows at some point, too 00:42
Herby_ Zoffix: When is WeatherApp part 3 coming? 00:44
timotimo: you got any perl 6 projects you're working on? 00:47
[Coke] . 00:49
timotimo nah :\ 00:56
Zoffix Herby_, it already came out: perl6.party/post/Perl-6-Hands-On-Wo...pp--Part-3
Herby_, and parts 4 and 5... um, some time after next weekend, likely. 00:57
Herby_ doh, i can't count. meant part 4
Zoffix I took a break last week and next week I'm learning how to release Rakudo. And any free time left over I'm spending on Assasins Creed 2 :")
and IRC::Client, I guess. Got tired of writing. 00:59
timotimo ugh. i need something simple to contribute to moar, nqp or rakudo before the release, otherwise i think i have nothing in for this month's release :(
BenGoldberg Say Zoffix, is there an IRC::Client plugin to count karma? 01:34
Zoffix Karma is just a fairy tale invention :) Get on with the times. 02:17
And if you were planning on writing your own, you may wanna wait a couple of weeks, until new version of IRC::Client ships 02:18
Hotkeys What's up perlers 03:22
Zoffix Midnight :) That's what :) 03:47
\o
Herby_ \o/ 03:48
teatime trying to cobble together a USB<->3.3vTTL converter because I can't find one 04:03
failing, mostly 04:04
skids I usually use old IDE cables for such things. Just plug the components in and twist the bus wires together as needed. Then cover in glue after it works. 04:06
teatime lack of wire is not my issue 04:07
skids I just cannot stand soldering.
teatime I do a lot of soldering. a good iron makes a huge difference.
I currently use a Hakko FX-888D 04:08
also, a flux pen.
teatime just sent an email to the local national park service volunteer coordinator, offering my body and soul for the summer and fall. 06:08
llfourn teatime: have you played firewatch? 08:54
teatime negative. 08:58
RabidGravy are there any database engines that use or allow mult-character quoting characters for identifiers? 10:00
e.g. something like "select * from <<Some Funky Table Name>>" 10:01
AlexDaniel RabidGravy: just out of curiosity, why? 10:09
RabidGravy pertains to how generalised I make the quoting mechanism in the "thing for generating SQL that is loosely inspired by SQL::Abstract" 10:11
AlexDaniel ahh
FROGGS o/ 10:14
RabidGravy harr 10:16
FROGGS nine: do you have any idea about RT #128332/#128156? I want to look into it this evening 10:34
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=128332
Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=128156
nine FROGGS: I have a golfed test case (posted it onto 128156) but no idea yet. I have a hard time finding time and energy to concentrate on these issues lately :/ 10:39
FROGGS nine: k 10:45
tbrowder hi p6 folks 11:40
Zoffix: nice job with is-approx!
AlexDaniel can somebody make irc.perl6.org/ redirect non-permanent? 12:22
moritz why? 12:23
(and yes, I can)
AlexDaniel moritz: because this redirect is not permanent 12:24
moritz no?
AlexDaniel are you saying that this link will ALWAYS redirect irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2016-06-12 ?
moritz it redirects permanently irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/today
which then does a non-permenant redirect to the current day 12:25
AlexDaniel ahhhhhhh
didn't notice it
sorry
moritz no problem
dalek c: 01b0e82 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/ (3 files):
More link fixes
 12:36
c: d0f46cc | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/ (6 files):
Less permanent redirections (mostly http → https)
c: 1582aee | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/unicode_entry.pod:
Newlines in links do not work very well

I think that it is a bug that has to be fixed, but right now we can just fix the links.
AlexDaniel moritz: actually, thinking about it again. Does it mean that links to irc.perl6.org have to be changed to perlgeek.de? 13:02
moritz AlexDaniel: there is no must or "have to" 13:03
just because some tool tells you to reduce redirects doesn't mean you have to. 13:04
lizmat I think irc.perl6.org is a nice name to keep in docs
AlexDaniel it's not the tool, it's your redirect code
lizmat afk&
moritz it's a level of indirection that we can chose to keep
AlexDaniel yes, and I like it. Let's keep it 13:05
but 301 is probably not the best choice then
moritz why not? 13:11
masak m: class A { has $.foo }; class B is A { has $.foo }; say B.new(:foo("OH HAI")) 13:12
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«B.new(foo => "OH HAI", foo => "OH HAI")␤»
masak was there a way in Perl 6 to set those two $!foo attributes to different things in .new ?
moritz yes, and iirc we lost it while switching to the nom branch
masak a-ha 13:13
moritz B.new(:foo('Oh B'), :A{:foo('Oh A')})
or something like that
masak not that I mind it much; I've never felt the need for such a feature, really 13:13
moritz oh, without the leading color 13:15
my $pet = Dog.new( :name<Fido>, Animal{ :blood<warm>, :legs(4) } )
from S12 13:16
S12:867
synopsebot6 Link: design.perl6.org/S12.html#line_867
dalek c: bed1b4d | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Language/testing.pod:
Make variable names consistent
 13:21
c: ca0c9a9 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Language/testing.pod:
Attempt to fix formula rendering

Used U+2063 at the start of each line		 13:23
dalek c: fe38f82 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Language/testing.pod:
use =begin =end pod blocks instead of invisible unicode
 13:27
AlexDaniel moritz: because it is semantically different. If you want to keep this URL because *maybe* we will change it later, then it does not sound like 301 13:31
it's not “moved” and not “permanently” :) 13:32
Zoffix It really just affects browser/proxy caches 13:33
A 301 will be cached and new attempt to fetch irc.perl6.org will fetch from the geek url right away, while a 302 will try the irc.perl6.org again 13:35
moritz which is why it's a 301 right now
so that the performance penalty of the redirect is payed only once
but I do see the point that "moved" doesn't quite match the semantics 13:36
Zoffix Too bad there isn't a "moved for a long time" code :P
.oO( xkcd.com/927/ )
 13:37
moritz anyway, changed to 302 for now 13:37
mst moritz: this seems like a micro-optimisation to me and I'd be more comfortable with 302, I think 13:38
heh
moritz++ # JFDIing while I'm still trying to express my opinion
RabidGravy is there any term-llike thingy that will be expanded on the lhs of a pair so e.g 13:39
m: say (pi => "PIE").perl
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«:pi("PIE")␤»
RabidGravy expands pi rather than treating it as something to straight stringified 13:40
lizmat m: say Pair.new(pi,"PIE") 13:41
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«3.14159265358979 => PIE␤»
AlexDaniel m: say (+(pi) => "PIE").perl
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«3.14159265358979e0 => "PIE"␤»
psch m: say {pi}() => 2
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«3.14159265358979 => 2␤»
AlexDaniel ah
m: say ((pi) => "PIE").perl
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«3.14159265358979e0 => "PIE"␤»
psch yeah, parens are probably the most comprehensible solution 13:42
lizmat yeah, agree
AlexDaniel actually I'd prefer Pair.new :)
mst I prefer the parens version, but I wonder if that's a perl5 aesthetic
m: say (pi ,=> "PIE").perl 13:43
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Preceding context expects a term, but found infix > instead␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say (pi ,=>7⏏5 "PIE").perl␤»
RabidGravy AlexDaniel, you appear to like typing more than is natural
mst damnit
so, how would I add a ,=> operator? :LD
psch mst: what does that do? infix:['=>'] without LHS auto-quoting?
mst psch: that's what it does in perl5, yes
AlexDaniel RabidGravy: actually I'm just worried about people reading that piece of code. I think that the first reaction to these parens will be “wtf?” 13:44
psch m: sub infix:[',=>'] { $^a => $^b }; say pi ,=> 'PIE'
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«3.14159265358979 => PIE␤»
psch mst: easy as... well
mst <3
I am going to make so many people cry, 13:45
RabidGravy you already do sweetie 13:46
psch is reminded of the 'goes towards' C operator 13:47
y'know, as in 'x --> 0' 13:48
mst heh 13:52
Zoffix m: sub infix:«,=>» { Pair.new: $^a, $^b }; say (pi ,=> "PIE").perl 13:55
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«3.14159265358979e0 => "PIE"␤»
Zoffix Oh, I didn't read far enough :P
RabidGravy I think I'm going to stick with perverting prefix:<->(Pair) 13:56
mst hm?
Zoffix So it's -pi => "PIE" 13:57
psch oh god
mst m: say (-pi => "PIE").perl
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«Cannot resolve caller Numeric(Pair: ); none of these signatures match:␤ (Mu:U \v: *%_)␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
RabidGravy well for the "thing for generating SQL somewhat like SQL::Abstract", the -op => "thing" is quite natural
Zoffix m: say ( ~pi => "PIE" ).perl
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«"pi\tPIE"␤»
Zoffix \t? :S 13:58
Ah. k
psch m: sub prefix:<-> is looser(&infix:['=>']) { ::($^a.key) => $a.value }; say -pi => "PIE"
camelia rakudo-moar 4179bd: OUTPUT«3.14159265358979 => PIE␤»
RabidGravy I was just exploring other ways of signalling the key is an operator
mst sighs 13:59
psch hm, probably wants '(::($^a.key) // $a.key)' on the LHS inside instead
mst I spend several years working on how to fix how terrible SQL::Abtract is, and then perl6 not only releases before me, but gets impatient and ports the unfixed version
RabidGravy I wasn't particularly interested in pies or anothing
psch oh maybe actually '(try $^a.key) // $a.key' maybe
...maybe
RabidGravy who ported the unfixed version ? 14:00
mst RabidGravy: I'm implying that 'somewhat like SQL::Abstract' will likely result in 'has a bunch of the same problems as'
RabidGravy well, please feel free to make one you think works right 14:02
unfortunately I've hit a briick wall of yaks with Perl 6 14:03
so I either make something that does somewhat like I need or I'm forced to not use Perl 6 14:05
mst I'm not even honestly that fond of the syntax anymore
personally I'd probably try and steal a subset of LINQ instead
with a more lisp-y underpinning 14:06
(SQL::Abstract's DWIM syntax is a nightmare to do transforms on)
moritz I'd recommend stealing from sqlalchemy
mst sqlalchemy has some nice ideas, but a stunningly ugly interface
still worth a look but *cringe* 14:07
ruby's Sequel is also notable
(I actually really like sqlalchemy as a piece of technology, I just don't appreciate the aesthetics ;)
moritz mst: are you aware of the two separate interfaces that sqlalchemy offers? 14:08
moritz 'cause the declarative one doesn't offend my sense of aesthetics at all 14:09
mst moritz: my memory of studying it is sufficiently vague that that's too vague a question for me to answer
since you can't magically make me less senile, could you link both? :) 14:10
RabidGravy I agree with all of the above, Perl 5 or 6 syntax doesn't map very well to transormation to SQL
but yeah, it's probably easier if I stop writing software altogether 14:14
moritz mst: that's the declarative API: docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/e...c_use.html 14:15
trying to remember what the other API is called
moritz ah, classical 14:15
docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/m...tyles.html
RabidGravy that all seems rather monolithic to me 14:18
moritz it nicely decomposes into separate modules in which you define classes for your tables 14:20
RabidGravy yeah, I can see that - fairly standard tbh, but it does everything 14:21
that's what I mean by monolithic
mst moritz: I think my aggravation was rather that the operator syntax can get weird for complex where clauses, rather than with the table setup stuff 14:22
then again, so does everybody else's operator syntax 14:23
x.in_(y) # brrr 14:25
moritz yes, that one is ugly 14:26
because "in" is a reserved word in python
moritz a perl 6 fork would make that one less ugly :-) 14:27
mst it's the mixture of overloads and object syntax that bugs me
I think
I'd rather have all object syntax, or all overloads+functions
(sorry, been a while since I looked, trying to reconstruct what bugged me)
RabidGravy I'm veering toward overloads and functions which return objects, which also simplifies the iternal design somewhat 14:28
mst that's where I was going for "how would I produce a better SQLA surface syntax" 14:29
WHERE { $_->foo > 3 } etc.
RabidGravy: basically, trying to jam it all into data structures with overloaded meanings like SQLA does makes me cry in various ways, even though it is really powerful 14:30
if you continue to veer in that direction, I retract my comments about "stealing our mistakes" because it sounds like you aren't stealing that bit ;)
RabidGravy of course the advantage of a data structure approach is that it makes it easier for higher level thingies to generate them, I think there's a sweet spot where internally it's all objects which can be composed by higher level software and functions that sugar the construction of the objects 14:37
for people who actually type the expressions
mst right, this is where I wanted a lispish thing under the hood 14:39
so $_->foo > 3 becomes [ -op, '>', [ -ident => 'foo' ], [ -value => 3 ] ]
roughly
(note I've been shaving a different yak for a while so again assume fuzzy memory on top of whatever other mistakes I've made) 14:40
RabidGravy and given all the above you can also support something that is somewhat similar to the existing SQLA expression syntax due to the loveliness of multi dispatch :) 14:49
mst yep
RabidGravy anyway as it stands I've got something that handles a sqla-like syntax almost completely with multiple dispatch *and* passes the tests, weeks away from even a preliminary release though 15:10
dalek c: d073000 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/ (3 files):
More link fixes
 15:12
dogbert17 m: say Bool.^mro # does this mean that 'Bool is Int' ? 15:31
camelia rakudo-moar 51e1a2: OUTPUT«((Bool) (Int) (Cool) (Any) (Mu))␤»
timotimo yes, Bool is Int
as are all enums that are not typed a different way
dogbert17 timotimo: cool, I'm asking because in type-graph.txt it's written that 'Bool is Cool' 15:32
dogbert17 timotimo: and reason 2 is that I want to put the enum Order in that file 15:33
timotimo ah, that ought to be fixed
dogbert17 I guess I should write 'class Order is Int' 15:34
and fix Bool so that it is no longer Cool :) 15:35
dalek rl6-most-wanted: 707cdc7 | Altai-man++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Add Netrc library
rl6-most-wanted: 43e8a04 | lizmat++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Merge pull request #32 from Altai-man/master

Add Netrc library
timotimo oh, what is Netrc?
mst timotimo: .netrc file that can contain information for user+pass and similar for e.g. ftp/http things 15:36
timotimo ah, ok 15:37
dogbert17 is class Order a Basic,Composite or Domain-Specific class? 15:41
psch m: say Order.HOW.WHAT
camelia rakudo-moar 51e1a2: OUTPUT«(EnumHOW)␤»
psch Order is an enum 15:42
dogbert17 psch: yes, but where does it fit within the doc categories (I was probably not very clear when posting the question :) 15:42
FROGGS I dont understand the content of .rev-deps 15:43
psch oh, yeah, those categories
dogbert17 psch: suggestions welcome :)
psch dogbert17: i'd say Domain-specific. it's definitely not Composite, and while i think it could be Basic, it's not something that always applies 15:44
dogbert17 psch: thx, I'll put it in Domain-specific and then we'll se what happens 15:45
s/se/see/
dalek c: e9e8951 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | type-graph.txt:
Bool is Int and Order is also Int. Timotimo++, psch++
 15:49
psch m: say Less.^mro
camelia rakudo-moar 51e1a2: OUTPUT«((Order) (Int) (Cool) (Any) (Mu))␤»
b2gills dogbert17: an Order is returned from &infix:<cmp> &infix:«<=>» and &infix:<leg> 15:52
m: say 1 <=> 2; say 1 <=> 1; say 2 <=> 1 15:53
camelia rakudo-moar 758413: OUTPUT«Less␤Same␤More␤»
dogbert17 b2gills: thx. I'm beginning to suspect that I shouldn't have written 'enum Order is Int' but instead 'class Order is Int' 15:57
AlexDaniel why Order is Enum but Bool is Int?
psch m: say Bool.HOW.WHAT 15:58
camelia rakudo-moar 758413: OUTPUT«(EnumHOW)␤»
psch m: say True.HOW.WHAT
camelia rakudo-moar 758413: OUTPUT«(EnumHOW)␤»
psch m: say True.^mro
camelia rakudo-moar 758413: OUTPUT«((Bool) (Int) (Cool) (Any) (Mu))␤»
AlexDaniel m: say Order.HOW.WHAT
camelia rakudo-moar 758413: OUTPUT«(EnumHOW)␤»
AlexDaniel oops 15:59
I meant another thing
why Order is “enum” but Bool is “class”?
dogbert17 in the type-graph.txt file we find e.g. 'enum Signal is Int' but I can't find that on doc.perl6.org
AlexDaniel: I'm beginning to suspect a visibilty problem 16:00
dogbert17 say Signal.^mro 16:00
FROGGS nine: I believe I fixed the issue we talked about earlier 16:01
dogbert17 m: say Signal.^mro
camelia rakudo-moar 758413: OUTPUT«((Signal) (Int) (Cool) (Any) (Mu))␤»
nine FROGGS: oh, how?
FROGGS nine: the content of .rev-deps was plain wrong me thinks
nine: gist.github.com/FROGGS/5f71459f95e...65ea7733fe 16:02
dogbert17 AlexDaniel: scratch my last comments, they where nonsense. Anyway Order is now in the type-graph.
FROGGS nine: a FOO.rev-deps contained several FOOs, and BAR.rev-deps only ever contained BAR 16:03
psch FROGGS: btw, #perl6-dev exists. thought i mention it since i don't see you there 16:03
FROGGS psch: ohh, I'm in #p6dev
psch FROGGS: ah. mst wanted to set up a redirect iirc, but apparently that didn't happen 16:04
FROGGS: something about toplevel channels on freenode having to be easily associated with the project they belong to i think cause the move
dogbert17 AlexDaniel: unless moritz has any objections I believe that 'class Bool is ...' should be changed to 'enum Bool is ...' 16:04
FROGGS psch: I see, np :o)
nine FROGGS: looking at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/002871 I dare say you are right! Seems like I wrongly changed that from $id to $dependency.id when replacing $dependency-id with $dependency.id 16:08
FROGGS nine: :o) 16:09
nine: spectesting now
geekosaur dogbert17, I think you're seeing a historical wart? (or possibly not so historical) 16:09
psch Bool used to not be an enum, yeah
geekosaur Bool was, and possibly still is, handled specially because the setting needed it before the Enum machinery existed 16:10
geekosaur (or before it was set up to work properly) 16:10
bootstrapping issue, so Bool was actually a bootstrapping class
psch it is generated as an enum during BOOTSTRAP nowadays
nine FROGGS: panda's bootstrap is a good canary for these kinds of bugs. It's what kept me from merging the rt128156_fix_precomp_deps_validation branch
timotimo geekosaur: i think dogbert17 is just talking about a file inside the docs repo, not the core setting 16:13
geekosaur yes, my point is that the existing doc is referencing the old setup 16:14
and it was important because people trying totreat Bool as an Enum were getting weird errors
nine FROGGS: everything looking very well so far :)
geekosaur so the doc referenced what was then the true situation
FROGGS nine: yes, will also test panda 16:15
Util m: my $beer = 5; say "foo" if $beer != 1; say $beer; 16:18
camelia rakudo-moar 758413: OUTPUT«foo␤5␤»
Util m: my $beer = 5; say "foo" if $beer !=1; say $beer;
camelia rakudo-moar 758413: OUTPUT«1␤»
psch m: say 1 !=1
camelia rakudo-moar 758413: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable Int␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
Util In that second case, omitting the whitespace after the `!=` causes wrong output,
psch Util: long-ticket, and hard to fix
Util and unexpected assignment!
Util psch: Thanks! Can you point me to the ticket? 16:19
psch #121108
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=121108
Util psch: Excellent! Much thanks!
psch Util: you're welcome :)
dalek osystem: c14df30 | Altai-man++ | META.list:
Add Config::Netrc
 16:49
osystem: 5fe9e25 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | META.list:
Merge pull request #218 from Altai-man/master

Add Config::Netrc
Zoffix πgithub.com/Altai-man/perl6-Config-Netrc 16:50
dogbert17 geekosaur: so you're ok with me making the change then? 17:18
geekosaur yes
you're correcting a historical fossil
which hopefully is no longer relevant
(but was when that was originally written)
dogbert17 geekosaur: many thanks, change coming up :) 17:19
dogbert17 is a bit split between docs and football
geekosaur too :p 17:20
dalek c: 49fc1c4 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | type-graph.txt:
Change Bool from class to enum. geekosaur++
 17:21
Zoffix Football? 17:27
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
travis-ci Doc build failed. Jan-Olof Hendig 'Change Bool from class to enum. geekosaur++' 17:28
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/137088856 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/e9e89...fc1c4c4714
geekosaur which ludicrous display? there were several :p 17:29
including one that most of the folks in here probably slept through 17:30
Zoffix www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yN2H3--1aw
geekosaur considers whether he wants to load that over the work hotspot (trying to avoid e.g. video) or wait for phone to be not streaming something else 17:31
(local notwork is doing a good simulation of a boat anchor) 17:32
Zoffix It's from the "I.T. Crowd" episode. Where there's a "bluffball" website that gives you football phrases to use in normal conversations :P 17:33
grondilu oh boy I miss that excellent show
mst Too reliant on cringe based humour for my tastes 17:34
geekosaur agree with mst re cringe-based humor 17:44
stmuk_ I like the sportsing cartoon 17:58
dogbert17 interesting htmlify.p6 has suddenly stopped working 18:31
dogbert17 Processing Language Pod files ...: 39: doc/Language/5to6-nutshell.pod => language/5to6-nutshell: Method 'unit' not found for invocant of class 'List' 18:34
in sub extract-pod at htmlify.p6 line 174 18:35
FROGGS is that a typo for uniq? 18:36
FROGGS nah, probably not 18:38
dogbert17 FROGGS: don't thinks so, copied from cmdline output
FROGGS: the word unit is in the pod file though
FROGGS ahh 18:39
I guess .load returns a list now instead a single item
dogbert17 FROGGS: does it mean we have to make a change in htmlify.p6 then? 18:40
FROGGS probably... let me check
dogbert17 I had moar-2016.02 lying around, it works fine there FWIW 18:41
FROGGS no, it is not supposed to return a list 18:43
dogbert17 fails on 8430f07 but worked yesterday at least 18:45
timotimo can we turn that into a one-liner to be run on the bisectbot? :) 18:46
FROGGS already trying
ahh 18:47
nine's patch does that
Zoffix There's a commit from 2 hours ago that returns a List: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...ry.pm#L156
FROGGS are we allowed to alter .load just like that? 18:49
Zoffix ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:51
dogbert17 timotimo: time for you to grab a beer and start singing on the streets :) 18:55
timotimo no. 19:02
i will have nothing to do with this football thing that drags people into stadiums and near stadiums to get beaten up by insane people 19:03
Zoffix Sounds like a problem that can be resolved with more guns! 19:11
moritz barely manages to suppress a snarky comment 19:17
this is a reminder that if you notice folks who submit multiple PRs to perl6/* repos, tell me or FROGGS++ or so their github usernames so that we can hand out commit bits 19:19
dalek c: 6e0a5b8 | moritz++ | htmlify.p6:
Hopefully fix htmlify on newest rakudo

since [0]-indexing is a noop on type Any, it should work with the old rakudo too		 19:34
timotimo dogbert17: it seems like there's a female commentator (is that the word?) on TV and men on social networks are in an uproar 19:39
timotimo really ... fuck widely televised, commercialised, and institutionalized footbal 19:40
football
soccer
whatever
moritz considering that the German *female* football team has been much more successful than the male team during the last two decades or so, ... well ... 19:41
moritz like, they won the last *six* european championships in a row 19:42
timotimo no, female football isn't a "real game". clearly it's easy to win at that if you put only a tiny bit of effort into it, because all the other women are clearly just doing it for shits and giggles
dogbert17 timotimo: I thought that most big games played by Germany was commentated by one, very popular, guy
moritz star-m: say 'version?' 19:44
camelia star-m 2016.04: OUTPUT«version?␤»
dalek line-Perl5: d854a83 | lizmat++ | lib/Inline/Perl5.pm6:
Mu.BUILDALL doesn't take positionals anymore
 19:45
nemo timotimo: I was listening to a commenter on NPR proferring the theory that the dismal lack of interest in women's team sports by both women and men is kinda due to team sport being a sort of sublimation/proxy for tribal warfare
timotimo: so yeah, I can totally believe if the germans fielded a professional team and no one else was investing in it they could sweep 19:46
hell US women's team did a lot better than men's
timotimo i was just bullshitting
i have no idea how much effort other countries are putting into women's football 19:47
lizmat .tell nine please doublecheck d854a83 , it allows Inline::Perl5 to test again ok
yoleaux lizmat: I'll pass your message to nine.
timotimo even worse, i bet there's still countries where having a women's football team would be forbidden
anyway, dinner is served!
moritz we should forbid men's football teams in Germany, just to compensate :-)
timotimo +1 19:48
lizmat
.oO( let's hear it for the Frauschaft! )
 19:48
travis-ci Doc build passed. Moritz Lenz 'Hopefully fix htmlify on newest rakudo
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/137105690 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/49fc1...0a5b83fc49
nemo moritz: as a non-german I support that proposal 19:48
moritz: just to cut down on competition
timotimo you know, when i was a kid, i asked a classmate who was very into football "what german team will represent germany in this WM?"
he found the notion ridiculous and mocked me for not knowing there's actually a dedicated team to play in the world championship that never gets replaced
nemo moritz: although, none of the countries I have citizenship in have a chance in hell anyway 19:49
timotimo BBL
moritz nemo: I'm curious, how many citizenships do you have? 19:50
nemo moritz: well. 2½
moritz nemo: how's that? :-)
nemo moritz: I keep deferring US, although I could have gotten it like a decade ago
moritz: US citizenship has a lot of disadvantages 19:51
I've been sticking w/ greencard
moritz nemo: having to pay taxes in the US even if living abroad?
nemo moritz: that part was annoying, but it got even worse lately
moritz my brother-in-law had 3 citizenships, though I think by know it's back to two
nemo moritz: before you'd fill out a form and pretty much be done, 'cause most people didn't hit the threshold
moritz: nowdays, you have to actually hire someone. has gotten more complicated 19:52
moritz wow
nemo also their bank reporting rules have made it almost impossible for ordinary expats living abroad to have a bank account
unless you have a huge amount of money to put in it
moritz I'v seen Ovid rant on twitter about some of this stuff
nemo moritz: so, yeah, rather than having to renounce it, I just avoided getting it
moritz: I can't vote here, but my impact on political system is about same as any american's 19:53
☺
autarch I don't suppose anyone has a highlight.js plugin for p6? 19:54
nemo moritz: my kids have 3 tho 19:55
Zoffix autarch, MadcapJake might 19:57
autarch MadcapJake: do you? do you? that'd be so handy
moritz nemo: nice
MadcapJake i started one but I got discouraged when I found out heredocs were impossible
Zoffix .u ☺ 19:58
yoleaux U+263A WHITE SMILING FACE [So] (☺)
Zoffix :/ why is it so small :/ (or is it just my font)
nemo Zoffix: ☺ is not an emoji 19:59
Zoffix: was supported long before concept of emoji appeared
so some fonts treat it differently (mine doesn't)
Zoffix i.imgur.com/eK0UdEa.png 20:00
nemo Zoffix: I'm currently using Droid Sans Mono in my terminal window 'cause I liked its overall rendering of stuff like this
AlexDaniel
.oO( tiny white smiling face )
nemo Zoffix: also when it is missing a glyph, it seems to have nicer fallbacks
probably going to Droid Sans Fallback is my bet
Zoffix: my experiment in irssi multiline math rendering ☺ m8y.org/tmp/testcase353.xhtml 20:01
Zoffix: on the plus side, since ☺ is not an emoji, it is likely to render even on crappy platforms that are unfamiliar w/ the astral planes 20:03
gnull hi everyone 20:10
I have a grammar with `proto token mytoken {*}; token mytoken:sym<a> {}; token mytoken:sym<b> {};` 20:11
And now I can refer to any of mytoken's in other regexes of that grammar 20:12
But how do I refer to exactly mytoken:sym<a> ?
I want something like `token another { <mytoken:sym<a>> }` that would match :sym<a>, but not sym<b> 20:14
b2gills m: #`(testing) grammar Test { proto token mytoken {*}; token mytoken:sym<a> {<sym>}; token mytoken:sym<b> {<sym>}; token TOP {<mytoken:sym<b>>}}; say Test.parse('a') 20:21
camelia rakudo-moar 8430f0: OUTPUT«｢a｣␤ mytoken => ｢a｣␤ sym => ｢a｣␤»
b2gills gnull: I think the reason it doesn't work is that tokens are basically just methods, and that isn't how method dispatch works. If you RT it someone might end up implementing it. 20:27
gnull b2gills: Thank you 20:40
moritz gnull: the solution is to make mytoken:sym<a> call another named token, and use that instead of mytoken:sym<a> when you want to invoke it directly 20:51
nine dogbert17: FWIW I don't consider PrecompilationRepository's interface to be frozen. It's not spectested at all. That said, I of course try not to make everyone's life harder :) So if you have a testcase for me, I'll try to keep that running. 20:58
yoleaux 19:47Z <lizmat> nine: please doublecheck d854a83 , it allows Inline::Perl5 to test again ok
nine dogbert17: also if you have a replacement for the return of two values there, I'd be happy. I really don't like how that code turned out. 20:59
moritz $obj does role { method CHECKSUM { $checksum } }; 21:02
but that's also ugly
nine Moving the checksum into CompUnit::Handle also doesn't really make me happy 21:03
gnull m: my $a = map {say 'hooah'}, ^3; my $b = $a xx Inf; $b[^6] 22:55
camelia ( no output )
gnull m: my $a = map {say 'hooah'}, ^3; my $b = $a xx Inf; say $b[^6] 22:56
camelia rakudo-moar 5d4949: OUTPUT«hooah␤hooah␤hooah␤((True True True) (True True True) (True True True) (True True True) (True True True) (True True True))␤»
dogbert17 nine: I haven't made any comments wrt PrecompilationRepository's interface, that's way above my paygrade :) 23:03
b2gills m: my $a = map {'hooah'}, ^3; my $b = $a xx Inf; say $b[^6] 23:07
camelia rakudo-moar 5d4949: OUTPUT«((hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah))␤»
AlexDaniel b2gills: yeah? 23:08
m: my $a = map {'hooah'}, ^3; my $b = $a xx ∞; say $b[^6] 23:09
camelia rakudo-moar 5d4949: OUTPUT«((hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah))␤»
AlexDaniel m: my $a = map {'hooah'}, ^3; my $b = $a xx *; say $b[^6]
camelia rakudo-moar 5d4949: OUTPUT«((hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah) (hooah hooah hooah))␤»
AlexDaniel m: say ‘hello’ x * # :) 23:12
camelia rakudo-moar 5d4949: OUTPUT«{ ... }␤»
gnull I want to make an infinite list of a given Seq repeated infinite number of times 23:22
But looks like Seq in list context evaluates to a list contaning that Seq 23:26
m: (map {$_}, ^3) xx 3 23:27
camelia ( no output )
gnull m: say (map {$_}, ^3) xx 3
camelia rakudo-moar 5d4949: OUTPUT«((0 1 2) (0 1 2) (0 1 2))␤»
timotimo yeah, you'd need to flat that
or slip the thing before th exx
gnull m: say (map {$_}, ^3).Slip xx 3
camelia rakudo-moar 5d4949: OUTPUT«(0 1 2 0 1 2 0 1 2)␤»
timotimo yup
AlexDaniel ah, huh, didn't notice the question :) 23:31
AlexDaniel runs away 23:32
timotimo i didn't see the question either 23:32
parabolize Zoffix: in perl6.party/post/Python-is-The-New-...e-Language you could use print(*itertools.chain(*zip(u, l)), sep='') 23:33
Zoffix ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:41
That article is ancient. I don't even remember much about it.
And there are some more comments on BPO version: blogs.perl.org/users/zoffix_znet/20...guage.html
parabolize depending on how long the iterables are it may be much faster than using the str.__add__ `i + j` will use. A second ''.join in the for loop would also be faster. `print(''.join(''.join((i, j)) for i, j in zip(u, l)))` 23:42
Zoffix I just went with accepted SO answers. 23:55

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