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AlexDaniel yea, and you only need use WWW; 00:00
perllover AlexDaniel still error pastebin.com/7HcPmqLR 00:01
AlexDaniel yeah, that's the point 00:02
perllover yea i understand. but you're saying you wouldn't get such an error when you run that 2-line code ?
AlexDaniel yeah, no error here 00:03
HoboWithAShotgun do we use prepan for 6 modules? if not, is there a similar place?
perllover AlexDaniel what can i do? 00:04
AlexDaniel well, as I said, you can try disabling ipv6 and trying again
perllover do you think there's an easy way to do it in perl5? 00:06
i'm a bit rusty with perl5, however. but a quick way to convert that same code over
i'm nervous to disable ipv6. it looked risky 00:07
am i overreacting about ipv6 ?
AlexDaniel it depends 00:08
perllover depends on? 00:09
AlexDaniel stuff. :) But if I were you I'd try it, it is probably harmless 00:11
perlawhirl ed'ed 00:16
oops
comborico1611 Quiet tonight. 01:28
Geth doc/master: 11 commits pushed by W4anD0eR96++, (Alex Chen)++
review: github.com/perl6/doc/compare/dbce2...42d87cf59e		 01:32
Geth doc: 2212ab26dd | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | type-graph.txt
Introduce new classes
 02:06
comborico1611 map { ++$_ } #WRONG map { $_ + 1 } #RIGHT 02:15
Tricky business.
Geth perl6-most-wanted: holli-holzer++ created pull request #40:
WIP: Units		 02:15
HoboWithAShotgun when your brain starts to feel like a wet ball of cotton it's time to sleep 02:17
comborico1611 lol 02:18
That's actually quite accurate comparison.
Are you a poet? 02:19
HoboWithAShotgun yeah, and it really gets critical when the fabric dries
comborico1611 I haven't been there.
HoboWithAShotgun what are your dealings with Perl6 comborico1611? 02:20
comborico1611 A non programmer trying to become a programmer. 02:21
HoboWithAShotgun in hindsight of doing it for a living? 02:22
comborico1611 Correct.
HoboWithAShotgun Oh, that's painful.
comborico1611 Just finished Chapter Nine! 😂
comborico1611 On to hashes! 02:23
HoboWithAShotgun Because, if you learn to program with Perl6, you will get used to all those great features that simply not exist in other laguages
comborico1611 I learned on C++ 02:24
HoboWithAShotgun And I doubt you will find a Perl 6 job anytime soon.
Geth perl6-most-wanted: ade8a5c53f | holli-holzer++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | most-wanted/modules.md
WIP: Units
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perl6-most-wanted: 52c6e3796b | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | most-wanted/modules.md
Merge pull request #40 from holli-holzer/master

WIP: Units
comborico1611 And i agree with you on the first point. As for jobs, i think Rakudo is a promising place for a guy without a certification.
HoboWithAShotgun AlexDaniel++ 24/7
AlexDaniel :)
AlexDaniel is actually going to bed now 02:28
have a good whatever everyone o/
comborico1611 I'm almost am, too. 02:28
Night!
AlexDaniel releasable6: next
releasable6 AlexDaniel, Next release in 12 days and ≈16 hours. No blockers. 0 out of 134 commits logged
releasable6 AlexDaniel, Details: gist.github.com/95ccab329b19bc3528...1c5886ff64 02:28
AlexDaniel whoops. 12 days
time flies 02:29
comborico1611 How long have hashes been in programming languages? 02:31
HoboWithAShotgun m: my @a = 1, 2; my ($a, $b) = @a; $a.say 02:33
camelia 1
HoboWithAShotgun m: my %a = :a(1); my (:$a) = %a; $a.say 02:34
camelia a => 1
HoboWithAShotgun decides to do as AlexDaniel 02:35
byebye 02:36
comborico1611 Night! 02:37
comborico1611 Goodnight! 02:47
Geth doc: 0db8f8c7b7 | (Jeremy Studer)++ | 172 files
Add vim modeline at end of every file without one

The settings in the modeline do the following:
  * Highlight this file as Perl6
  * Expand tabs into 4 spaces
This is helpful for vim users for highlighting an atypical file format and creates formatting consistency with regards to tabs and spacing.		 03:37
[Coke] ^^ someone might want to make a test for that. (or a ticket to make a tst anyway) 03:39
wander what is declarator `monitor` means 03:40
looks like `class`, what's the difference
timotimo en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_(synchronization) - wander, it's this thing 03:42
timotimo disappears into bed
(nobody saw me)
wander suddenly find it's in my exam this afternoon 03:45
OS lesson 03:46
[Coke] m: Telemetry.say 04:24
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared name:
Telemetry used at line 1
[Coke] lizmat: Alex Chen added Telemetry to the typegraph in docs, but it's not a publicly available class. Guessing it should actually be in the type graph. Thoughts? 04:25
geekosaur m: use Telemetry; 04:43
camelia ( no output )
Geth Pod-To-HTML/toc-escape: f8db64ba8d | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm
Escape toc text
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Pod-To-HTML: W4anD0eR96++ created pull request #27:
Escape toc text		 05:51
wander [Coke]: yes, I hesitate if it should be add 05:53
1. Telemetry::Period inherits from Telemetry, this is the main reason I add it
2. However, it's a rakudo-specific class, I wonder if it should even not be in /Types 05:57
That's the problem, other classes in rakudo/rakudo/lib, such like `Pod::To::..`, `NativeCall` are not documented in /Types. But `Telemetry` is thought a useful class, at least lizmat wrote a initial doc of it. 06:00
To resolve this problem, maybe we have to think about where a rakudo-specific class should be documented, if the doc.perl6.org, how we should doc it. 06:01
wander BTW, docs.perl6.org/type/snapper should not be documents in this place. 06:12
wander We can start with "Roadmap for our language/ docs" github.com/perl6/doc/issues/114 and consider how the site we want it be. 06:14
wander go to take an exam 06:16
holyghost alt.test 08:54
CTCP #perl6 client 08:57
Geth Pod-To-HTML/toc-escape: d57051b2fc | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm
escape html in toc

  ```
  =begin pod
  =TITLE Regex
... (8 more lines)		 10:06
Geth Pod-To-HTML: f8db64ba8d | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm
Escape toc text
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Pod-To-HTML: d57051b2fc | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm
escape html in toc

  ```
  =begin pod
  =TITLE Regex
... (8 more lines)
Pod-To-HTML: 329bc915b3 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm
Merge pull request #27 from perl6/toc-escape

Escape toc text
HoboWithAShotgun g'day 11:03
raschipi day 11:05
ufobat ola :-) 12:25
census hi 12:29
ZzZombo Hey, if I `make` a value, calling `<match object>.made` is supposed to give that value back, isn't it? 12:35
HoboWithAShotgun m: my %a = :a(1), :b(2); my %b = :a(1); say %a <<+>> %b;" 12:50
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in double quotes; couldn't find final '"' (corresponding starter was at line 1)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 :b(2); my %b = :a(1); say %a <<+>> %b;"7⏏5<EOL>
expecting …
HoboWithAShotgun m: my %a = :a(1), :b(2); my %b = :a(1); say %a <<+>> %b; 12:51
camelia {a => 2}
HoboWithAShotgun what's the idiomatic way to get { a => 2, b => 2 } ?
HoboWithAShotgun m: my %a = :a(1), :b(2); my %b = :a(1); say %( |%a, |%b, |(%a <<+>> %b) ) 12:54
camelia {a => 2, b => 2}
HoboWithAShotgun too ugly
timotimo what are you trying to do?
add the values together?
HoboWithAShotgun that. summing two hashes, result must have all keys 12:55
timotimo well, with >>+>> it works for that example at least 12:56
aha
>>+<< gives you the union of keys
docs.perl6.org/language/operators#..._Operators
HoboWithAShotgun mmh. actually i am trying to do that with a hash of int. 13:07
m: my $a = (my Int % = :A(-2), :g(1), :m(2), :s(-3)); my $b = (my Int % = :A(1)); say $a >>+<< $b;
camelia Invocant of method 'Bridge' must be an object instance of type 'Int', not a type object of type 'Int'. Did you forget a '.new'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo oh? it's perhaps misunderstanding the default return value of an Int hash? 13:18
timotimo m: my $a = (my Int % is default(0) = :A(-2), :g(1), :m(2), :s(-3)); my $b = (my Int % is default(0) = :A(1)); say $a >>+<< $b; 13:24
camelia {A => -1, g => 1, m => 2, s => -3}
timotimo aha, hyper hypers the values from both hashes together "quietly", that's why the + operator won't complain when one of the sides is undefined 13:29
but this "undefined turns to 0" is a feature of Any, not of Int
m: say Int + 5 13:30
camelia Invocant of method 'Bridge' must be an object instance of type 'Int', not a type object of type 'Int'. Did you forget a '.new'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo i feel like the + operator (and likely many others) should also support one or both sides being undefined
lizmat m: say 1 + Any # it does ? 13:35
camelia Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context
1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
lizmat m: quietly say 1 + Any # it does ? 13:36
camelia 1
ZzZombo <ZzZombo> Hey, if I `make` a value, calling `<match object>.made` is supposed to give that value back, isn't it? 13:36
timotimo sorry 13:44
i mean one of the side being undefined Int
m: say Int + 1 13:45
camelia Invocant of method 'Bridge' must be an object instance of type 'Int', not a type object of type 'Int'. Did you forget a '.new'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo that's what breaks >>+<< with Int-declared hashes
(unless you have a default)
timotimo ZzZombo: yes, it's supposed to. what are you seeing? 13:55
tyil !p6 my $i = 0; $i += 5; say $i; 13:56
m: my $i = 0; $i += 5; say $i; 13:57
camelia 5
tyil !p6 my $i = 0; $i ⁺= 5; say $i;
m: my $i = 0; $i ⁺= 5; say $i;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Confused
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $i = 0; $i7⏏5 ⁺= 5; say $i;
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
statement modifier
sta…
AlexDaniel p6: my $i = 0; $i ⁺= 5; say $i;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Confused
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $i = 0; $i7⏏5 ⁺= 5; say $i;
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
statement modifier
sta…
tyil anyway, that
AlexDaniel u: ⁺
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, U+207A SUPERSCRIPT PLUS SIGN [Sm] (⁺)
tyil it doesnt like it when using the unicode +
AlexDaniel there's no unicode + that I know of 13:58
that's superscript +
there is unicode minus tho
u: MINUS SIGN
unicodable6 AlexDaniel, U+00B1 PLUS-MINUS SIGN [Sm] (±)
AlexDaniel, U+02D7 MODIFIER LETTER MINUS SIGN [Sk] (˗)
AlexDaniel, 13 characters in total: gist.github.com/de6599a35d4de60f97...298007def7
AlexDaniel m: my $x = 5; $x −= 2; say $x
camelia 3
tyil its the small + as seen on docs.perl6.org/language/unicode_ascii
AlexDaniel but that's so that you can do this: 13:59
m: say 2⁺³²
camelia 4294967296
AlexDaniel m: say 2⁻³²
camelia 0.00000000023
tyil ah
my bad then
sorry 14:00
AlexDaniel note that it doesn't do math, so you can't do ³⁺² 14:00
AlexDaniel docs also say “as part of exponentiation” :) 14:00
sproctor If we require a c lib to be installed for a module is there anyway of specifying it in the Meta? Or should the module include tests that fail in a helpful fashion if the lib doesn't exist? 14:01
AlexDaniel hmmm but the provided ASCII equivalents are maybe wrong, because it's a feature of its own
tyil sproctor: currently none afaik
I've tried using the method expained in the design docs, but I was told those were wrong 14:02
Geth Pod-To-HTML: 6eaff49839 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META6.json
Bump version
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wander several hours ago I saw this page 14:08
github.com/perl6/perl6-most-wanted...ntation.md
so hyper is an interesting while confusing part of Perl 6 14:09
timotimo last update was on 10 dec 2015?
wander especially whitespace matters
timotimo given that hyper has just been re-implemented, i'd say this page might want to be reconsidered 14:10
wander yes, I saw it because the latest update of the repo is some hours ago
`has just`? when
jdv79 every midnight i want to calc "tomorrow at midnight" in my local tz and handle daylight savings and leap seconds properly. how would you do that in p6? 14:11
ZzZombo ugh, it's strange, I `make` an object that is then saved into an attribute of the actions object for the grammar, but it somehow always comes as the type object, i. e. it's not initialized to the value I gave. 14:13
wander ZzZombo: what's the code
timotimo ZzZombo: could be a different match object you're looking at for some reason. or you could be storing Nil and it's restoring the default value because your rakudo is too old? 14:15
timotimo m: "a" ~~ /./; make Nil; say $/.made 14:15
camelia Nil
timotimo c: 2017.01 "a" ~~ /./; make Nil; say $/.made
committable6_ timotimo, ¦2017.01: «Nil»
timotimo oh, that wasn't the bug, then?
comborico1611 Why does a hash print out with => instead of -> ? 14:25
timotimo because the => operator is how you create pairs
wander m: :b(3).perl
camelia ( no output )
wander m: :b(3).perl.say
camelia :b(3)
timotimo there's different ways to print out a hash, though
wander: that's just the pair, though
wander m: { :b(3), c(4)}.perl.say 14:26
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
c used at line 1
wander m: { :b(3), :c(4)}.perl.say
camelia {:b(3), :c(4)}
comborico1611 But printing-out a value is not involved with creating pairs.
wander m: { :b(3), :c(4)}.^name.say 14:26
camelia Hash
wander comborico1611: for what reason you think it should print out with -> ? 14:27
comborico1611 The book reads printouts with ->
wander Think Perl 6? which page?
timotimo m: say { hello => "world", seeya => "goodbye" } 14:28
camelia {hello => world, seeya => goodbye}
comborico1611 Technically as comments. # -> value
timotimo that's not about hashes
that just means "here's what that evaluates to"
wander agree
comborico1611 All the pages. 167 for instance.
timotimo (either "what it evaluates to" or "what it prints out", depending on what the author likes more) 14:29
comborico1611 Oh, i see.
wander in the very page, I've only found "# -> Found it!"
comborico1611 That's the print out. 14:30
I thought prompt returned -> value
wander I think it means "# OUTPUT: «Found it␤»"
comborico1611 I see. 14:30
timotimo there ought to be a section near the front of the book that explains things like that
wander so it has nothing to do with hash 14:31
comborico1611 P.184 top is where my question was.
comborico1611 He should have wrote on page 184 this: -> one => uno 14:31
He's just not been consistent with how he is doing the output. Actually now that I think about it, what's going on is he's using the other mode of rikudo. 14:32
ZzZombo I `make` it this way in my `section` action method: `make my $section=Grammar::VDF::Section.new(:name($<name>.made),:condition($<conditional>.made));`
later I assign that in another action method (by calling `$<section>.made`) and I get the type object instead.
comborico1611 Question answered thanks guys 14:33
timotimo dumb question, but the value in $section is correct afterwards?
wander code snip? 14:34
m: "a" ~~ /./; make my $x = 42; $/.made.say
camelia 42
wander m: class A { has $.x }; "a" ~~ /./; make my A $x = A.new(:x(4096)); $/.made.say 14:35
camelia A.new(x => 4096)
comborico1611 Perl6 alias Rekudo! 14:36
wander I have been working on Grammar for some time. There are problems caused not always as you think. 14:37
comborico1611 That would handle the Rakudo compiler vs alias confusion.
comborico1611 Or Racoondo! 14:38
wander maybe you call `$<section>.made`, but `$<section>` is this time an Array
comborico1611 Rakundo!
wander well in this case it cause compile error, but FWIW, grammar is something new 14:39
comborico1611 RakUNDO, get it?
timotimo m: say [1, 2, 3].made 14:40
camelia No such method 'made' for invocant of type 'Array'. Did you mean any of these?
map
max
name
race

in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo wander: if you accidnetally call .made on an array it explodes like that
wander "[22:39] <wander> well in this case it cause compile error,"
wander I see XD 14:40
timotimo oh 14:41
Geth mu: aaa173d49c | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | misc/perl6advent-2017/schedule
dibsify Dec 12: "Concise Perl 6 IO"
 14:42
wander m: grammar { token TOP { | 'if ' <mywords>+ | 'else ' <mywords> }; token mywords { \w } }.parse("else w", actions => class { method TOP($/) { say $/<mywords>.^name }}) 14:46
camelia Array
wander m: grammar { token TOP { | 'if ' <mywords> | 'else ' <mywords> }; token mywords { \w } }.parse("else w", actions => class { method TOP($/) { say $/<mywords>.^name }})
camelia <anon|79556384>
holyghost2 I misposted my HollyGame toolkit for writing games at pause, I am probably going to port it to non-inline perl6 14:47
wander real world issue, I crashed it once
holyghost2 It's at holyghost.yellowcouch.org/perl5/src
timotimo holyghost2: i was quite confused by the email you sent :)
comborico1611 Is Binding the same as Aliasing?
holyghost2 you were ?
timotimo yeah, the file you attached looked like 1:1 my particle system example from the SDL2::Raw repository 14:48
holyghost2 ok, I tried to port a small game library
It's still an issue
timotimo the url you just posted is also 404 :(
holyghost2 aaaaaagh!
I do not remember the /ctcp send 14:49
census i'm unable to run this code on my computer pastebin.com/qnYAZJ7v but it should work. it works on other perl6 computers
holyghost2 timotimo : I will first try to make it perl6 from perl5
I need a little time for that as I forgot my perl6 skills 14:50
wander census: error msg?
timotimo holyghost2: you'll probably find many sdl2 functions missing; that's just because i didn't know what order to do things in. if you need anything, feel free to open an issue on github or maybe even a pull request
census wander actually it just worked 14:51
for weeks it wasn't working
wander sounds fine :) 14:53
holyghost2 timotimo : It's SDL 1.2 in HollyGame module now 14:53
census wander can i show you the next part of my code now?
holyghost2 I still need to port it to SDL 2 :: Raw or something
timotimo the sdl2 module doesn't expose any of the surface blitting stuff that you'd use if you only have sdl 1 14:54
wander I'm not an expert on that.
census wander an expert on what?
wander WWW or net
census what am i doing wrong that the code outputs '3' every time? pastebin.com/FAicYnH3 14:55
holyghost2 timotimo : should I port to SDL 2 ? 14:56
timotimo i haven't seen your game kit yet, so i have no idea
holyghost2 WAM 14:57
It's in the ftp incoming of pause
perlpilot holyghost2: I haven't seen your stuff either, but I think you should port it to SDL2 ;->
holyghost2 perlpilot : yeah that's something I have to do 14:58
wander .ask zoffix I bump version for Pod::To::HTML, but cannot upgrade with zef. also seems doc.perl6.org don't build with the newest Pod::To::HTML. why?
yoleaux wander: I'll pass your message to zoffix.
holyghost2 It's a stupid class overriding system of a 2D collision system and some lists for NPCs 14:59
It's ok but basic
You can override with SDL images and so on 15:00
comborico1611 Ryn, where you from? 15:01
holyghost2 timotimo : does holyghost.yellowcouch.org resolve ? 15:02
comborico1611 I think might know you.
census is someone good with WWW ? 15:03
timotimo yes, but it just gives me the yellowcouch.org website
census for any input, i always get 3 as the output pastebin.com/FAicYnH3 15:04
ZzZombo <timotimo> dumb question, but the value in $section is correct afterwards?
Well, almost... it itself lacks another object field that is set later in the `section` method... I wonder if it's the same thing.
holyghost2 ok 15:05
ZzZombo I mean, the the name and value attributes of sections are ok, but not parent. 15:05
parent is another section, and it's also undefined, even tho I do set it. 15:06
Example: `Grammar::VDF::Section.new(condition => Grammar::VDF::Condition, name => "04", parent => Grammar::VDF::Node)`
(condition is supposed to be undef right now, but maybe it's bugged as well). 15:07
holyghost2 timotimo : gomez.yellowcouch.org/hollysrc-1.24.tar.gz 15:15
timotimo : the HollyGame module
comborico1611 m: my %test = <a 1 b 2 c 3>; say %test.kv ; 15:17
camelia (a 1 c 3 b 2)
comborico1611 m: my %test = <a 1 b 2 c 3>; say pairs %test;
camelia (a => 1 c => 3 b => 2)
Zoffix wander: RE: "but cannot upgrade with zef" did you do `zef update`? RE: "seems doc.perl6.org don't build with the newest" did anyone upgrade the module on the build box? 15:23
3.9 installed, so no 15:25
Zoffix upgrades
wander: you can also install from github URLs btw; that way you don't need to wait for ecosystem list to update or to run `zef update`: zef --force install github.com/perl6/Pod-To-HTML.git 15:26
Zoffix census: so number of rows in parsed CSV always gives you three... Sounds like dumping that CSV and ensuring it got right data up in it might be a good idea. 15:29
You'll find it's not CSV at all, but just an HTML document, so your URL is wrong 15:30
census2 Zoffix thanks. I've made some progress. 15:31
census pastebin.com/6t6x05sj
census2 It should say 755, but it says 978
wander yes, i miss `update` 15:33
Zoffix census2: why do you think it shouls say 755? 15:34
census2 Zoffix because when i downloaded the .csv manually there are 757 rows but the first 2 are meaningless so 755 15:34
Zoffix census2: I get 993 rows total when I open that CSV in Excel. With first 2 meaningless. 15:35
"that CSV" => the file downloaded by the program 15:36
census2 Zoffix i'm a little confused even why 993 if the code i'm running says 978 15:37
I appreciate your looking into it! Are you saying the code is telling you 993 or you went to the website directly and got 993
wander Zoffix: what is "upgrade the module on the build box" means?
wander bad syntax :( 15:37
Zoffix census2: if I go to patents.google.com/?q=Cancer&c...g:20010101 and click "Download CSV" I get 793 rows. But if I use the link the program uses ( patents.google.com/xhr/query?url=q...nload=true ) I get 993 rows. So sounds like you got your CSV URL in the program wrong. 15:39
census2: the program says there's 991 rows, not 978 to me
wander what "upgrade the module on the build box" means? 15:39
Zoffix wander: the docs site is built every $n minutes in a cronjob on our "hack" server. It doesn't get updated modules automatically. Someone needs to log into is as `rakudobrew` user and install the upgraded module if updates in a module need to be propagated to the docs site 15:40
Zoffix I already done it for the last update. So the docs site should be using latest version now 15:41
census2 Zoffix that's because it's 2 different years. the first one is based on 2001 and the second one is based on 1990. i thought both attempt in my code are based on 1990
Zoffix OK 15:41
wander thanks 15:41
census2 Zoffix okay I got the 993 you got now too when I did it manually with the internet 15:43
okay it worked just now ! :) 15:44
Zoffix Sweet \o/ 15:44
census2 Zoffix i feel it's like a random number generator though. it's so bizarre 15:46
i ran the code 3 times. i got 991, 981, and 988. only 991 is correct though
comborico1611 What is the \t here: $key\t%histogram{ } 15:49
Zoffix comborico1611: tab character 15:50
m: :42foo.gist.perl.say
camelia "foo => 42"
Zoffix m: :42foo.Str.perl.say
camelia "foo\t42"
comborico1611 Thank you. What is /t ?
Zoffix /t?
comborico1611 Nothing?
Zoffix Which /t?
comborico1611 I thought newline was /n. 15:51
Zoffix It's \n
jast \t is a tab character
comborico1611 Oh. Thank you.
Zoffix m: (^0x110000).grep({.chr ~~ /\s/}).map({"U+{.base: 16} {.chr.perl}"}).Str.say 15:54
camelia U+9 "\t" U+A "\n" U+B "\x[b]" U+C "\x[c]" U+D "\r" U+20 " " U+85 "\x[85]" U+A0 " " U+1680 " " U+2000 " " U+2001 " " U+2002 " " U+2003 " " U+2004 " " U+2005 " " U+2006 " " U+2007 " " U+2008 " " U+2009 " " U+200A " " U+2028 "
…
Zoffix c: HEAD (^0x110000).grep({.chr ~~ /\s/}).map({"U+{.base: 16} {.chr.perl}"}).Str.say 15:54
committable6_ Zoffix, gist.github.com/8ca434ded8cb7ab153...b9e60faff9
wander zoffix: Could you please show me the way to upgrade modules on "hack" server? I find the escapeHTML logic has something wrong and want to upgrade it for the doc site once fix it. 15:55
Zoffix u: { /\s/ }
unicodable6 Zoffix, Found nothing!
Zoffix u: /\s/
unicodable6 Zoffix, Regexes are not supported yet, sorry! Try code blocks instead
Zoffix I did try!
u: { so /\s/ }
jast aeons later... 15:56
unicodable6 Zoffix, «timed out after 30 seconds» «exit signal = SIGHUP (1)»
Zoffix wander: you'd need a sudo on the hack server. I don't know if I'm authorized to give it out. timotimo? moritz? maybe you could hook wander up?
moritz or compile your own rakudo 15:58
Zoffix It's to upgrade modules for the docs site build job 15:58
moritz oh 15:59
Zoffix wander: FWIW you can ping me if needing upgrading. I'm glance at my mentions once in a while
s/'m//; 16:00
wander sure :-)
moritz i'm building 2017.10 rakudo on hack 16:01
for doc.perl6.org
Zoffix u: {use nqp; nqp::iscclass(nqp::const::CCLASS_WHITESPACE, .chr, 0)}
unicodable6 Zoffix, U+0009 <control-0009> [Cc] (control character)
Zoffix, U+000A <control-000A> [Cc] (control character)
Zoffix, 25 characters in total: gist.github.com/1bb5453d9844c16c6b...2ab0f994de
Zoffix win
AlexDaniel aaaand… it pinged out? :D 16:07
Zoffix heh 16:08
comborico1611 m: my %test = <a 1 b 2 c 3 a 1>; say %test.pairs.first: *.value == 1; 16:09
camelia a => 1
comborico1611 m: my %test = <a 1 b 2 c 3 a 1>; say %test.pairs.first *.value == 1;
camelia No such method 'value' for invocant of type 'Any'. Did you mean 'values'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
comborico1611 What is the colon doing here? 16:10
Zoffix comborico1611: `.first: $some-arg` is just another way to write `.first($some-arg)`. Lets you avoid using parens. DEATH TO PARENS!
robertle guess you mean "DEATH TO PARENS THAT ARE NOT GROUPING" 16:11
Zoffix No, to all parens
robertle like "($a + $b) / 2"?
comborico1611 Blasphemy!
Geth Pod-To-HTML: 1ad05c5a71 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm
Escape exactly raw string
ilmari robertle: $a $b + 2 / 16:12
FORTH LOVE? IF HONK THEN
robertle yay!
Zoffix m: 2 + 2 andthen say $_ / 2; # yes 16:12
camelia 2
Zoffix :)
comborico1611 Zoffix, i see. What is the colon called here? 16:13
Zoffix comborico1611: no idea
wander Now it escapeHTML for exactly raw string, not js code. It renders correctly on /language/regex.pod6. I'm sorry that I should test carefully before committing changes. 16:14
comborico1611 I learned last night you are the author of the alias campaign.
AlexDaniel m: my $a = 2; my $b = 3; say 2 R/ sum $a, $b
camelia 2.5
AlexDaniel m: my $a = 2; my $b = 3; say 0.5 × sum $a, $b
camelia 2.5
AlexDaniel m: my $a = 2; my $b = 3; say 0.5 × [+] $a, $b 16:15
camelia 2.5
Zoffix m: say ½.&[*]: 2 + 2
camelia 2
comborico1611 The colon shall be called DTP operator (death to parens). 16:15
Zoffix \o/
comborico1611 I want to submit Racoondo as a possible alias. 16:16
census2 Zoffix I'm wondering if I may ask you if there's a more efficient way to run the code if I run a situation by you? 16:17
jast Rakvoodoo
comborico1611 The alias mascot is Rocky the Jeet Kun Do Raccoon.
Zoffix m: sub infix:</> is looser(&[+]) { &CORE::infix:</>($^a, $^b) }; say 2 + 2 / 2
camelia 3
Geth Pod-To-HTML: adc5351d0f | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META6.json
Bump version
 16:17
AlexDaniel Zoffix: haha :D
Zoffix Weird. I expected the precedence to be affected there :/
AlexDaniel bend the language to your need!
well, you can define your own op 16:18
new one I mean
Zoffix m: sub infix:<zzz> is looser(&[+]) { &CORE::infix:</>($^a, $^b) }; say 2 + 2 zzz 2
camelia 2
Zoffix I'm curious tho why the `/` isn't affected.
comborico1611 Rocky wears a bandana. Get it, alias, bandana?
Zoffix mc: sub infix:</> is looser(&[+]) { &CORE::infix:</>($^a, $^b) }; say 2 + 2 / 2
committable6_ Zoffix, ¦2015.12: «3»
moritz I guess you can't re-prioritize an existing operator 16:19
Zoffix Ohhh. right
AlexDaniel
.oO( Nnoooooooo )
Zoffix There's a shortpart for categorization.
Well, for adding new ops. And I think it's shortcurcuiting without adding a new one if it spots we already got a grammar rule for parsing it. It probably should check the precedence and things
AlexDaniel m: say ½ Z× 2 + 3
camelia (2.5)
Zoffix m: sub infix:<zzz> is tighter(&[+]) { &CORE::infix:</>($^a, $^b) }; say 2 + 2 zzz 2; { sub infix:<zzz> is looser(&[+]) { &CORE::infix:</>($^a, $^b) }; say 2 + 2 zzz 2 } 16:20
camelia 3
3
Zoffix Yeah, I'd call that a bug. Your code can change from under you because the shadowing of existing ops is only half-done 16:21
Zoffix *change because someone added an op you'd normally want to just shadow 16:22
moritz though what would be the correct behavior? throw an exception on the attept to redefine with a changed prec?
Zoffix This needs to be smarter: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...4799-L4802 16:23
moritz: I think it can just be made to work.
moritz Zoffix: can it? can you remove something from an existing grammar during derivation? 16:23
or is it just the OPP that changes? 16:24
Zoffix moritz: not 100% sure, but my understanding of these ops is they just mix in a new rule into the language braid: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast....nqp#L4936 16:24
So I figure it's possible to mixin the override, since you can override methods by mixing stuff into normal classes 16:25
[Coke] m: (1 - 1/4 - 1/3).Rat.nude # good thing I didn't have this doing fractions back in the day
camelia ( no output )
[Coke] m: say (1 - 1/4 - 1/3).Rat.nude # oops
camelia (5 12)
Zoffix :)
AlexDaniel m: say Rat.new(2 + 2, 2) 16:26
camelia 2
census2 Zoffix my code i think got IP banned but I myself didn't; perhaps I should have put a much longer sleep () in the code 16:27
AlexDaniel oh, oops, my mistake
m: say Rat.new: 2 + 2, 2 # there
camelia 2
Zoffix census2: not sure what you mean by more efficient way to run code... I usually don't hang in this channel. Just pastebin your code and someone in the channel will help. 16:28
Zoffix Filed op stuff as RT#1237 16:30
I mean R#1237
synopsebot R#1237 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1237 Overriding precedence of custom ops silently fails for existing ops
Zoffix &
census astebin 16:35
census pastebin.com/Z1vzRVHG Can I circumvent possibly getting perl6 getting a 503 error? 16:37
timotimo retry a few times with a delay in between? 16:48
timotimo pmurias: what were you going to show in the perl6-to-js demo at tpcia? 16:50
pmurias timotimo: JSX/react.js running in electron 17:08
pmurias timotimo: I notice the talk video has been uploaded ;) 17:16
timotimo it has! 17:21
can i get that demo locally? :3
timotimo is trying nqp with --backends=moar,js 17:24
it's rather unhappy about something 17:25
timotimo Error: Cannot find module './strip-marks.js' - this is what i get for basically every invocation of nqp-js (even nqp-js-cross after inputting a single line of code) 17:28
oh, i need a fork of rakudo to get rakudo-js? 17:29
pmurias timotimo: there is a rakudo branch 17:30
timotimo: re stip-marks, sorry it seems like I forgot to declare a dependency 17:31
timotimo yay, i caught a bug :D 17:31
timotimo ah yes the js branch 17:33
pmurias timotimo: it was a missing file
timotimo: I need to setup automatic building on travis (or something like that)
timotimo sure d)
:)
oh, your latest nom merge is 9 weeks old? 17:35
pmurias timotimo: forgot to push todays one 17:36
timotimo OK! 17:37
pmurias I'll try building rakudo.js from a fresh clone so hopefully I can encounter build bugs before you do ;) 17:38
El_Che pmurias: travis? 17:39
timotimo a fuse-based filesystem that reads only from the latest git commit :P 17:40
El_Che git --depth=1 17:40
pmurias El_Che: I should definitely look into it 17:41
El_Che pmurias: ping if you need some guidance. This is how I build rakudo packages: github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg/blob/0...travis.yml 17:42
pmurias: if the process is complicated docker is always an option 17:43
if, let's say, you want to build the rakudo js against different distros, you can use a matrix and docker. Run are parallel, so you won't hit the 50m max 17:44
pmurias timotimo, El_Che: I have to leave now, I'll get back to fixing any rakudo.js build problems first thing tommorow
El_Che: building rakudo.js takes loads of RAM is that an issue with travis? 17:45
timotimo OK,c ool :)
El_Che docs.travis-ci.com/user/reference/overview/
I don't think so
sudo machines (which I use for docker) have 7,5gb 17:46
container machines have 4gb
both seem ok
El_Che I use the sudo machines because with docker I can run different distro's 17:46
wander m: say Grammar.^mro 17:47
camelia ((Grammar) (Match) (Capture) (Cool) (Any) (Mu))
El_Che I have an other project that is build in windowas as well, with appveyor
wander m: say so Grammar.isa(Cursor)
camelia True
El_Che so that is also an option
wander m: say so Match.isa(Cursor) 17:48
camelia True
wander m: say so Capture.isa(Cursor)
camelia False
wander m: say so Cursor.isa(Match) 17:49
camelia True
wander moritz: what is the relation between Cursor and Match?
timotimo cursor and match used to be two different things 17:50
ilmari s: Cursor
SourceBaby ilmari, Something's wrong: ␤ERR: Cannot resolve caller sourcery(Match); none of these signatures match:␤ ($thing, Str:D $method, Capture $c)␤ ($thing, Str:D $method)␤ (&code)␤ (&code, Capture $c)␤ in block <unit> at -e line 6␤␤
timotimo s: Cursor, "new", \() 17:50
SourceBaby timotimo, Sauce is at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/4fca...Mu.pm#L112
timotimo nope. 17:51
s: Cursor, "ws", \()
SourceBaby timotimo, Something's wrong: ␤ERR: Died with X::Method::NotFound␤ in block at /home/zoffix/services/lib/CoreHackers-Sourcery/lib/CoreHackers/Sourcery.pm6 (CoreHackers::Sourcery) line 26␤ in sub sourcery at /home/zoffix/services/lib/CoreHackers-Sourcery/lib/CoreHackers/Sourcery.pm6 (CoreHackers::Sourcery) line 29␤ in block <unit> at -e line 6␤␤
ilmari github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast.../Cursor.pm
my constant Cursor = Match;
so Cursor is just an alias for Match
wander gotcha
interesting 17:52
census what does a 503 error mean? 17:53
[Coke] internal server error
dylanwh_ "The server is currently unavailable (because it is overloaded or down for maintenance). Generally, this is a temporary state."
wander Zoffix: plz build the doc site using the newest module Pod::To::HTML. I've locally make and ensure it fixes perl6/doc#1662 17:53
synopsebot DOC#1662 [open]: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1662 "<!|w>" disappears in ToC of Regexes
census dylanwh is it an IP type ban?
wander nice bot :) 17:54
census wander i love a good regex :)
timotimo 5xx http codes are the server's fault
4xx codes are your fault
census timotimo i was getting a 503 error for a website in which i was still able to get to the website in my browser 17:55
wander census: pardon?
[Coke] I would say that 4xx codes are "normal" errors and 5xx are "exceptional" ones.
dylanwh census: no, it usually means some backend server is down, IME
census <[Coke]> so i've added a sleep(120) to the code -- far from ideal though
dylanwh it's google
ugexe i'd be surprised if google lets you crawl their services the way you are
dylanwh that's... interesting
[Coke] census: the request from your browser and the request from your command line are not necessarily the same request, and the server can respond how it wants.
sena_kun if I have some non-BMP character(like '😂'), is there a way to get its surrogate pair? 17:56
[Coke] if you're doing a crawler, for example, and you're not respecting the robots file, they can stop you however they want.
sena_kun I've found algo to do it by hands, but just in case there is some predefined thing exists. 17:57
census <[Coke]> i don't know what the robots file is. i'm okay making the code run very slowly. i read somewhere there's a limit of searchers per every 30 mins
sena_kun s/to do it/that can be used to do it/
ugexe patents.google.com/robots.txt 17:58
census ugexe what does that mean? i don't follow
[Coke] if you're writing a crawler and dont know what robots.txt is, that could be problematic. (but as ugexe points out, that one seems permissive enough). but they could still be rate limiting you, sure. If there's no defined API, I'm not sure what you can do other than guess (if it were not google, I'd say "try to ask the support team for the site") 17:59
ugexe it doesnt allow /q=
[Coke] census: lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+a+robots.txt+file%3F
[Coke] ugexe: ah, good catch, thank you. 18:00
census <[Coke]>> i can google just fine. i meant i don't know how to interpret the robot.txt
[Coke] census: if you can google just fine, google how to read a robots.txt file. 18:01
ugexe they are regexes it matches on the path portion of the url 18:01
wander .tell moritz plz build the doc site using the newest module Pod::To::HTML:ver<0.3.11>. I've locally made and ensure it fixes perl6/doc#1662.
yoleaux wander: I'll pass your message to moritz.
census ugexe is there a way to redo the code i have that would be consistent with the file? 18:02
ugexe yes, crawl links instead of making search queries 18:02
census ugexe what does that mean? i don't follow the difference 18:03
i understand i'm looping through links. then doing something with the .csv on the page
ugexe patents.google.com/?q={$term}&...nload=true
that link was not discovered that way
census ugexe are you saying to not make a for loop? 18:04
census i just don't follow your implication 18:04
census i appreciate your taking the time to explain :) 18:04
timotimo they might have protection against people just grabbing the data from that url, but would allow people who are legit browsing the page through. so your program needs to seem like it's a legit human legit browsing their site? 18:07
census2 timotimo how may i set that up? 18:07
timotimo no clue how exactly they do it 18:08
ugexe basically. the less ethical way would be to use a pool of proxies and legit user agent strings, although driving a headless browser is becoming more of a requirement
census2 timotimo the only way i know is making changes like the user-agent to one that isn't perl6
ugexe they provide a (deprecated) patents API, so they probably want things that don't have a return from advertising to use that (hence enforcement) 18:12
[Coke] ugexe++ # I was definitely a little grumpy there. 18:14
census2 <[Coke]> yes, i agree: ugexe++
ugexe is there anything i can do to the code i have or the way i'm approaching the code?
[Coke] You should rewrite the code to avoid using the URL you're using, because they do not permit it to be used by a robot. 18:15
census <[Coke]> I'm totally okay with that. However, I can't even envision how such a code would go 18:20
ugexe use Net::HTTP::GET; say Net::HTTP::GET("patents.google.com/?q=cancer&c...19900101") # this returns 200, but i imagine if i do it enough times it will start to 503 18:21
census2 ugexe you mean it returns a 200 error but you envision a 503 error 18:21
ugexe 200 is not an error, it is success 18:22
[Coke] when I've done this sort of exercise, I start with the browser, find what I need there, and assuming the urls are permissible, go through there. If the data is only available via an ajax call from a permissible page, then setting up a headless browser as ugexe suggested is probably the way to go (using something like selenium) 18:22
but if there's an old API, I'd definitely go through that route.
APIs are easier to code against, less fragile...
screen scraping HTML is always at best, problematic.
ugexe especially scraping google stuff 18:23
census2 ugexe okay then what would you suggest so there wouldn't be a 503 error? isn't what you showed basically what I did just with NET::HTTP::GET rather than the libraries I did ? 18:24
<[Coke]> i appreciate your help, but i don't follow how to change my approach to do your approach 18:25
1. start with the browser. (? is that not what i'm currently doing) 2. find what's needed there (i'm finding the .csv?)
<[Coke]> how do I know if there's an API. i wrote this code--i did try hard 18:26
ugexe basically even if this isn't your current problem, it will be eventually since you are crawling and not using their api
Zoffix wander: done. 18:28
census2 ugexe is there an API i can use?
wander [Coke] remind that you can restart perl6/doc#1090 18:29
synopsebot DOC#1090 [open]: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1090 [big][site][wishlist] docs.perl6.org design
wander Zoffix: thanks 18:29
ugexe census2: doesn't look like it (I a made a query to it and it says it is closed). and the page you -were- using looks like it uses javascript to do the actual searching (so to scrape anything useful you need to render the page) 18:32
and to render a page you need to render javascript, so again need to use a browser in some fashion
census2 ugexe so the only approach is the less ethical approach of a proxy? changing IP and user agents. is that what you're saying 18:33
ugexe in perl5 i would recommend something like metacpan.org/pod/WWW::Mechanize::Firefox to get started 18:34
ugexe well that will certainly become a problem, even if its not the one you currently face (we can't really tell) 18:34
but looking at the html for the pages you want, there is nothing useful in the html and the useful stuff is brought in with javascript 18:35
census ugexe i used to work in perl5
census i can't remember how to write the code anymore in perl5 but i can go through my notes. i did use WWW::Mechanize::Firefox 18:35
ugexe you can probably use that in perl6 with Inline::Perl5
census ugexe how would that work? 18:36
census am i writing the code in perl6 or perl5. i'm just a little in over my head, trying to meet an urgent deadline 18:36
census so i'm very grateful for your help ugexe 18:36
ugexe you `use WWW::Mechanize::Firefox:from<Perl5>` after installing WWW::Mechanize::Firefox to perl5 and Inline::Perl5 to perl6, then you use the object as explained in the docs but use perl6 calling convention on the object instances you create (.foo() instead of ->foo()) 18:38
although i believe WWW::Mechanize::Firefox also requires some extension to be installed. you'll have to read its docs 18:39
census ugexe okay i'm doing cpan inline::perl5 18:41
ugexe maybe you can find a way around google by getting the entire data set somewhere else and working on a local copy of that 18:43
developer.uspto.gov/data for instance
census2 ugexe yes i thought about that 18:44
ugexe i don't know. what i'm looking for in the data isn't readily searchable and i need it pronto
i found a database online but it didn't break it down by diseases like cancer
dylanwh the newer one that uses geckodriver is much better. :P 18:50
census2 ugexe so far it's working much better with a sleep 19:01
i also changed the user agent
census2 when i ran it before i got a 503 after about 30 querie. now i'm up to about 50 with no error. who knows, i'll probably hit error in a few mins though 19:01
knight__ Hello, I am using a use lib 'lib'; use myModule etc, I have dir/file structure: main.p6 , lib/myModule.pm6... when I am calling main.p6 from different directory, for example, my cwd is /usr/local/bin and my script is in directory /home/a/main.p6, when I am calling the script from usr/local/bin ./main.p6 it will die 19:04
But, question is
Which "PATHS" I have to set? 19:05
I understand where is the problem
knight__ I must set "lib" to proper directory, but how I can set these proper directory, when 19:05
knight__ Is there something like @INC? 19:10
lizmat not really like that: in Perl 6 the equivalent is in $*REPO 19:12
m: dd $*REPO
camelia CompUnit::Repository::Installation home = CompUnit::Repository::Installation.new("/home/camelia/.perl6")
lizmat m: dd $*REPO[1]
camelia Failure.new(exception => X::OutOfRange.new(what => "Index", got => 1, range => "0..0", comment => Any), backtrace => Backtrace.new)
lizmat m: dd $*REPO[0]
camelia CompUnit::Repository::Installation home = CompUnit::Repository::Installation.new("/home/camelia/.perl6")
knight__ lizmat: I have problem with modules 19:13
when I am executing script with modules from different directories 19:14
And I have not clue, how to fix it.
i use lib 'lib'
lizmat is not very versed in that area of the system either, maybe nine or ugexe or timotimo can help
use lib gives you P5 module loading semantics 19:15
wander Zoffix: does doc site really build with Pod::To::HTML:ver<0.3.11>? It's strange because /language/Regex still not escapeHTML in toc, but it should work since I built it locally(source same as perl6/doc:master) and got correct result
lizmat aka: a module Foo::Bar needs to be in lib/Foo/Bar.pm6 19:15
knight__ ok, thank you
I will try it
wander or its build spends a lot of time 19:16
knight__ lizmat: Ehm, it does not work :-X 19:20
lizmat knight__: if you don't tell us what the error is (e.g. by gisting the output somewhere), we cannot help you :-( 19:21
knight__ @sirius:~/Skola/PJS2/projekt$ perl6 perl/main.p6 19:22
===SORRY!===
Could not find Bank::currency-value at line 67 in: /home/a/Skola/PJS2/projekt/lib
lizmat:
so, as you can see, it will add path 19:23
but it is incorrect
it should be PJS2/projekt/perl/lib
I am using use lib 'lib';
and I am calling from directory one level up.
lizmat so in what directory are you ? 19:24
knight__ a@sirius:~/Skola/PJS2/projekt
lizmat looks like you should do use lib 'perl/lib' then
knight__ yep, but if someone call script from "something else"
It will not work 19:25
And it is problem for me.
lizmat use lib '/home/a/Skola/PJS2/projekt/perl/lib' ?
knight__ but, what If I am on different computer?
And My script is not there
;-)
is in different directory 19:26
i need make lib
with relative path
lizmat then don't put the use lib in the code, but do it externally perl6 -Iperl/lib ?
knight__ I do not understand what is the point of doing NOT relative 'use lib 'lib'' 19:28
Because I am calling module, which is in somewhere in directory
in relative path
And now I must use library arguments...
moritz: Are you there? 19:29
^
Or, how can I do it. 19:32
moritz hm, what's up? 19:40
yoleaux 18:01Z <wander> moritz: plz build the doc site using the newest module Pod::To::HTML:ver<0.3.11>. I've locally made and ensure it fixes perl6/doc#1662.
synopsebot DOC#1662 [open]: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1662 "<!|w>" disappears in ToC of Regexes
perlpilot knight__: sounds like you want Dir::Self for Perl 6.
knight__ perlpilot: It will work? 19:41
I think with "use"
because it is in compile time I guess..
moritz wander: "zef upgrade Pod::To::HTML" says "All requested distributions are already at their latest versions" 19:42
wander `zef update && zef upgrade Pod::To::HTML`? 19:43
moritz same result 19:44
perlpilot knight__: too many unknowns for me. $*CWD tells you the dir from which you're running things if you want to make something relative to that. Or if you need something like Dir::Self, you can make a sub that uses callframe.file to get the full path to the file that the sub is in, then make something relative to that.
wander hmm, that is strange. different result between local make and the doc site 19:45
moritz wander: it seems there is some lag in the ecosystem; will have to try again tomorrow
knight__ perlpilot: 19:47
wander ok, I'll keep track of it :-)
knight__ perlpilot: I want something like that, I am calling the file from different directory 19:47
So 19:48
I must change the path to the use lib some_path ~ '/lib';
because 'lib' is static path not relative
Yep, Dir::self
knight__ But, Is there any option for perl6 except P5 modules? 19:49
ugexe if you want to call a module by namespace where you dont know where it mat reside then -install- it 19:52
otherwise its the same as in perl5 where you have to figure out inside your module what your current location is and what location you are looking for 19:53
census2 ugexe are you talking to me still? thanks :)
ugexe census2: no 19:54
census2 ugexe so far i'm doing better with the sleep() and useragent in the program
moritz to knight__ I guess
comborico1611 m: my %test = <1 2>; say %test.elems; 19:55
camelia 1
knight__ m: say $?FILE:
camelia <tmp>
knight__ m: say $?FILE;
camelia <tmp>
Zoffix wander: moritz I already upgraded the module. That's why it says it's latest 19:56
wander :P
Zoffix wander: yeah, I'm sure I upgraded. Did any new commits to the doc site go in for the change to reflect on teh doc site? It's only rebuilt when there's stuff to rebuild
wander oops 19:57
[Coke] you can also touch a file on the server to trigger it
wander maybe this is the problem
[Coke] for this very reason. :)
ugexe also note that non-installed module use is not cross platform. for instance on mac osx `perl6 -Ilib -e 'use Bar;'` will load lib/bar.pm or lib/Bar.pm whereas on linux only lib/Bar.pm 19:58
[Coke] github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/u...d-sync#L12
Zoffix touches
moritz Zoffix: and I misread the output from `zef list --installed`; it lists both the 0.3.10 *and* the 0.3.11 version (and not next to each other), so I only caught one of them
comborico1611 m: my %seen; while %seen.elems < 10 { my $random = 50.rand.Int; push %seen, ( $random => 1 ) unless %seen {$random}:exists ; }; say keys %seen; 20:02
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unexpected block in infix position (missing statement control word before the expression?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3ush %seen, ( $random => 1 ) unless %seen7⏏5 {$random}:exists ; }; say keys %seen;…
Zoffix knight__: I only skimmed through your questions, but sounds like you just want: se lib $*PROGRAM.sibling: '../lib'; 20:03
knight__ ugexe: Ok, I am using use lib IO::Path($?FILE).dirname
comborico1611 m: my %seen; while %seen.elems < 10 { my $random = 50.rand.Int; push %seen, ( $random => 1 ) unless %seen {$random} :exists ; }; say keys %seen;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unexpected block in infix position (missing statement control word before the expression?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3ush %seen, ( $random => 1 ) unless %seen7⏏5 {$random} :exists ; }; say keys %seen;…
knight__ Zoffix: ^
m: say IO::Path($?FILE).dirname;
camelia Cannot find method 'IO::Path' on object of type Str
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix m: say $?FILE.IO.dirname; 20:04
camelia /tmp
knight__ m: say IO::Path.new($?FILE).dirname;
camelia IO::Path is disallowed in restricted setting
in sub restricted at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 1
in method new at src/RESTRICTED.setting line 32
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix knight__: that'd be missing volume on Windows
knight__ hmm
thank you
moritz comborico1611: you can't have a space between %seen and the {...} postfix
Zoffix knight__: use lib $*PROGRAM.sibling: '../lib'; or adjust it to whatever
Zoffix knight__: basically give `use lib` an IO::Path object; .dirname just returns a string of part of the path 20:05
(without volume and file)
comborico1611 Thanks. I didn't realize i was using .. operator. heh.
knight__ Zoffix: ok, it works
Thank you
Zoffix \o/
knight__ Also work IO::Path... 20:06
:-) but your version is better :-)
comborico1611 m: my %seen; while %seen.elems < 10 { my $random = 50.rand.Int; push %seen, ( $random => 1 ) unless %seen{$random}:exists ; }; say keys %seen;
camelia (8 21 44 5 49 13 30 31 29 28)
comborico1611 i see now.
Zoffix m: my %seen; %seen{50.rand.Int} = 1 while %seen.elems < 10; say keys %seen; 20:07
camelia (42 49 5 1 41 47 3 36 16 40)
Zoffix m: my %seen is SetHash; %seen{50.rand.Int}++ while %seen.elems < 10; say keys %seen;
camelia (33 12 0 16 32 28 47 6 8 2)
moritz m: my %seen is SetHash; %seen{^50 .pick}++ while %seen < 10; say keys %seen 20:08
camelia (42 40 5 15 36 14 47 38 20 2)
comborico1611 m: my %seen; while %seen.elems < 10 { my $random = 50.rand.Int; push %seen, ( $random => 1 ) unless %seen{$random}:exists ; }; say keys %seen.pairs; 20:09
camelia (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
moritz m: say ^50 .pick(10) 20:10
camelia (47 18 9 41 36 29 16 17 4 30)
comborico1611 So the key is 0-9 and the value is pseudo-random?
Zoffix m: my %seen := set ^50 .pick: 10; say %seen; 20:11
camelia set(10 11 21 24 28 29 33 45 47 5)
Zoffix m: say ^50 .pick: 10;
camelia (18 41 0 14 17 12 27 38 43 47)
Zoffix \o/ I win the golf :P
m: my %seen is SetHash = ^50 .pick: 10 # not sure why it's unhappy about it here
camelia ( no output )
moritz m: say ^50 .pick: 10
camelia (35 24 11 38 13 39 48 30 5 46)
comborico1611 I'm confused because .elems < 10 should print five keys and five values.
Zoffix Ah. Too old rakudo locally 20:12
moritz one character shorter than Zoffix++ :-)
Zoffix comborico1611: .elems gives number of pairs in a hash
comborico1611 Ahh! That's right. 20:12
Thank you.
TimToady m: say ^Ⅼ .pick: Ⅹ 20:13
camelia (19 31 10 13 40 16 21 20 18 2)
Zoffix :O
What sourcery is that!
moritz cheating!
Zoffix Ahh. Romans :)
moritz cheating is technique!
TimToady
.oO(any sufficiently advanced cheatology...)
 20:14
Zoffix :)
moritz (fwiw this is a reference to "Harry Potter and the Methods or Rationality")
mspo can you get say to use the same utf8 group yo ustarted with? 20:17
HoboWithAShotgun started with? 20:19
timotimo utf8 group?
mspo so the say ^Ⅼ stays in roman numeral
jnthn What's a "utf8 group"?
Ah, timotimo was faster
mspo a thing I just made up
timotimo it'd be possible if the roman numeral module from drforr were amped up to XI 20:20
HoboWithAShotgun must be one of these self help circles for programmers scarred by encoding issue
timotimo because the translation from decimal to roman is so nontrivial 20:21
mspo so when you are .pick ing playing cards you get a card back
timotimo .u card
yoleaux U+2135 ALEF SYMBOL [Lo] (ℵ)
U+2136 BET SYMBOL [Lo] (ℶ)
U+2137 GIMEL SYMBOL [Lo] (ℷ)
timotimo huh?
TimToady .u diamond
yoleaux U+20DF COMBINING ENCLOSING DIAMOND [Me] (◌⃟)
U+22C4 DIAMOND OPERATOR [Sm] (⋄)
U+233A APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL QUAD DIAMOND [So] (⌺)
[Coke] u: card
unicodable6 [Coke], U+1F0A0 PLAYING CARD BACK [So] (🂠)
[Coke], U+1F0A1 PLAYING CARD ACE OF SPADES [So] (🂡)
timotimo haha, denied!
unicodable6 [Coke], 87 characters in total: gist.github.com/340d880de1c13749b3...4b351c77e1
HoboWithAShotgun .u smiley face
yoleaux No characters found
HoboWithAShotgun .u smily face 20:22
yoleaux No characters found
[Coke] .u is old and busted, use u:
yoleaux U+0020 SPACE [Zs] ( )
U+002C COMMA [Po] (,)
U+003A COLON [Po] (:)
timotimo m: say parse-names("PLAYING CARD BACK")
camelia 🂠
HoboWithAShotgun u: smiley face
unicodable6 HoboWithAShotgun, Found nothing!
[Coke] (also zef install App::Uni)
timotimo m: .say for (parse-names("PLAYING CARD BACK"), *.succ ... *)[^20]
camelia 🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
🂠
HoboWithAShotgun bah. useless
timotimo hm, ok
HoboWithAShotgun ;-)
timotimo m: .say for (parse-names("PLAYING CARD BACK"), { chr(ord($_) + 1) } ... *)[^20]
camelia 🂠
🂡
🂢
🂣
🂤
🂥
🂦
🂧
🂨
🂩
🂪
🂫
🂬
🂭
🂮
🂯
🂰
🂱
🂲
🂳
timotimo interesting, two in there aren't rendered in my terminal 20:23
mspo okay maybe cards were a bad example
timotimo: probably the stupid knights
u: 🂼 20:24
unicodable6 mspo, U+1F0BC PLAYING CARD KNIGHT OF HEARTS [So] (🂼)
mspo, U+0020 SPACE [Zs] ( )
TimToady m: say '🂡' ... '🃟'
camelia (🂡 🂢 🂣 🂤 🂥 🂦 🂧 🂨 🂩 🂪 🂫 🂬 🂭 🂮 🂯 🂰 🂱 🂲 🂳 🂴 🂵 🂶 🂷 🂸 🂹 🂺 🂻 🂼 🂽 🂾 🂿 🃀 🃁 🃂 🃃 🃄 🃅 🃆 🃇 🃈 🃉 🃊 🃋 🃌 🃍 🃎 🃏 🃐 🃑 🃒 …
mspo u: 🃏
unicodable6 mspo, U+1F0CF PLAYING CARD BLACK JOKER [So] (🃏)
timotimo i see that one
mspo u: 🂯 🂰
unicodable6 mspo, U+1F0AF <reserved-1F0AF> [Cn] (🂯)
mspo, U+0020 SPACE [Zs] ( )
mspo, 4 characters in total (🂯 🂰 ): gist.github.com/50e042a38fc82d20ae...ac5c72c38b
timotimo 🂮␤ ␤ ␤🂱 - the two in the middle here
wander cannot find available unicode name of "一" gets me down :(
u: 一
unicodable6 wander, U+4E00 <CJK Ideograph-4E00> [Lo] (一)
wander u: 无 20:25
unicodable6 wander, U+65E0 <CJK Ideograph-65E0> [Lo] (无)
wander u: 乐土
unicodable6 wander, U+4E50 <CJK Ideograph-4E50> [Lo] (乐)
wander, U+571F <CJK Ideograph-571F> [Lo] (土)
wander one, Mu and rakudo :-)
TimToady music personage, eh? 20:26
oh, no, that's earth 20:27
timotimo where are wind and fire?
TimToady 风 and 火 20:28
or 風 in traditional
timotimo time to make food 20:28
make: *** No rule to make target 'food'. Stop. 20:29
0.00user 0.00system 0:00.00elapsed 50%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 4016maxresident)k
TimToady one without music is dirt? :) 20:30
wander one without music? 20:32
TimToady 一无乐 20:33
wander lol
TimToady lunch & 20:34
wander I lost in Chaizi(拆字)
wander remove 一 from 乐 results symbol looks like 木(wood), which, in WuXing, generate fire, and then generate soil/dirt 20:36
my thoughts :)
wander \o 20:51
wander the doc site is rebuilt, looks fine 20:51
wander go to bed
wander thank you Zoffix moritz 20:54
[Coke] ff/win 5 20:59
HelpWithPerl Hey guys 21:00
My script has been running for a few hours now and still hasn't finished
Any ideas why?
AlexDaniel Well, what's in the script? 21:01
HelpWithPerl Well, it's my attempted solution to Project Euler problem 3 21:01
Do you mind if I post the code in a pastebin, so you can see it? 21:06
geekosaur please do
HelpWithPerl Here's a link: pastebin.com/Fi4X1RiL 21:10
dogbert17 HelpWithPerl: it looks as if you have forgotten to check if the product of your prime factors (in facteurs_premiers_du_nombre) are equal to 600_851_475_143 21:22
you should also check that your factors are indeed prime numbers 21:23
HelpWithPerl Yes, I wanted to add that part after making sure my code so far works ;) 21:24
HelpWithPerl Neither of those things explain why my code is taking so long to run though :P 21:25
El_Che HelpWithPerl: you have your priorities wrong :)
optimize later
dogbert17 HelpWithPerl: I think it does actually, you don't have to go through all numbers since the largest factor (which I won't mention) isn't that large 21:27
azawawi hi #perl6 21:32
azawawi geekosaur: ping 21:33
[Coke] o/
geekosaur pong 21:34
azawawi geekosaur: github.com/azawawi/perl6-msgpack/c...e5b7f60834 # Passing unpacks... 21:35
geekosaur: was able to break the cyclic behavior and forward struct declaration problem github.com/azawawi/perl6-msgpack/b...e.pm6#L151 21:36
geekosaur: Perl 6 rocks :)
azawawi geekosaur: thx for your help 21:50
Geth DBIish: 0aa144e711 | (Dan Zwell)++ (committed by Dan) | lib/DBDish/Pg/StatementHandle.pm6
Fix infinite loop when passing certain arrays to pg-array-str

The inputs that show the problem are: an array in item context, or a nested array with one element.
The problem is that `my @arr = ...` creates a new array instead of binding to the RHS. So use `my @arr := ...` instead.
This fixes issue #107.		 22:07
DBIish: ea5a9504fe | (Jonathan Stowe)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | lib/DBDish/Pg/StatementHandle.pm6
Merge pull request #108 from lefth/master

Fix infinite loops when passing certain arrays to pg-array-str
HelpWithPerl Thanks for the advice guys 22:17
comborico1611 Is the method Int in 50.rand.Int modifying random or 50? 22:20
geekosaur it's operating on the result of 50.rand 22:23
comborico1611 Thank you. 22:23
geekosaur if you replace rand with something else, you can't know just by looking at it what it will do; that method could potentially return an object of any type, and Int is applied to that object 22:24
comborico1611 I see. 22:25
HelpWithPerl Quick question: does if @x[$a] %% $y[^100000] be false if x[$a] is indivisible for just a single value of $y[something]? 22:29
AlexDaniel HelpWithPerl: oh, that's not exactly what it does 22:31
HelpWithPerl What does it do?
AlexDaniel HelpWithPerl: it will probably numify $y[^100] and it'll turn into a number of elements
AlexDaniel so it's @x[$a] by the number of elements in $y[^10000] 22:31
HelpWithPerl Oh
Did not expect that :P
AlexDaniel you need $y[^10000].any 22:32
or $y[^10000].all
depending on your intent
HelpWithPerl Wow, that is so useful...
HelpWithPerl Thanks. 22:33
AlexDaniel HelpWithPerl: we have a section on things that are Cool when you don't want them to be Cool: docs.perl6.org/language/traps#Cool_tricks
HelpWithPerl "Cool when you don't want them to be Cool" ... "Traps to avoid" lol 22:36
comborico1611 m: my %seen; %seen {50.rand.Int} = 1 while %seen < 10; say values %seen;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unexpected block in infix position (missing statement control word before the expression?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my %seen; %seen7⏏5 {50.rand.Int} = 1 while %seen < 10; say
expecting any of…
comborico1611 m: my %seen; %seen{50.rand.Int} = 1 while %seen < 10; say values %seen;
camelia (1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1)
comborico1611 m: my %seen; %seen{50.rand.Int} = 1 while %seen < 10; say value %seen; 22:37
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
value used at line 1. Did you mean 'values'?
AlexDaniel m: say 42 %% <2 4 5>
camelia True
AlexDaniel m: say 42 %% <2 4 5>.any
camelia any(True, False, False)
AlexDaniel m: say 42 %% <2 4 5>.all
camelia all(True, False, False)
AlexDaniel m: say so 42 %% <2 4 5>.any 22:38
camelia True
AlexDaniel m: say so 42 %% <2 4 5>.all
camelia False
HelpWithPerl Aha! I've solved the problem! Thanks so much for your help everyone! 22:39
lizmat and another Perl 6 Weekly hits the Net: p6weekly.wordpress.com/2017/11/06/...tablished/
El_Che lizmat = hero 22:40
El_Che ing daemon 22:44
zeroc-icegridgui - IceGrid Admin graphical client
damn
sorry
I meant this: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15625322 : " perl6 will be renamed to rakudo, officially. Very soon.
HelpWithPerl Probably a good thing 22:44
lizmat note who said that: rurban :-) 22:45
HelpWithPerl Too many people hear Perl6 and make syntax jokes :P
El_Che lizmat: I was being nice. Full text is: 22:46
ing daemon
zeroc-icegridgui - IceGrid Admin graphical client
damn
lizmat que?
El_Che question is:
"Would Renaming Perl Save It from Terminal Unpopularity?"
answer: "Already done.
perl5 was forked to cperl.
And perl6 will be renamed to rakudo, officially. Very soon."
the perl5 thing sound a little like trolling :)
lizmat it *is* :-) 22:47
dylanwh is happy that newsy is blocked at the router level. 22:47
El_Che lizmat: you missed the point of my tweet. The point was not that there were new packages, but they are completely built and relased by travis. On the open 22:48
lizmat El_Che: updated 22:50
Juerd "Stage parse : 199.663" 22:55
That was around 70 before, on my laptop. Should I be worried?
gfldex Juerd: I will build Rakudo and tell you if your laptop is broken. 22:56
Juerd :)
[Coke] El_Che: "Citation Needed" 22:58
azawawi Juerd: maybe laptop is on battery power? lower CPU state?
[Coke] (I mean from rurban, not from you. :)
Juerd I just found out there was a Chromium process that was keeping my laptop busy 22:59
Sorry for the false alarm :)
lizmat *phew* :-)
geekosaur is wondering about chrome/chromium any more
geekosaur random sudden bloat-outs, tendency to get into tight loops inside itself with little evidence in the UI aside from slowness and top showing a process churning through CPU 23:00
also, if you accept a bad certificate (from my router in this case; kinda hard for those to DTRT) that eventually times out, and instead of reporting an error chrome starts consuming 100% cpu time 23:01
Juerd Stage parse : 74.740 23:01
That's better :)
geekosaur and lots of network, apparently trying to fetch something repeatedly
(which I determined only by capturing snapshots of netstat -4 -p and diffing...) 23:02
azawawi github.com/azawawi/perl6-msgpack/ # Experimental status removed 23:14
lizmat azawawi++ :-)
azawawi gist.github.com/azawawi/22e2609578...a6c78bced2 # 2x performance native vs perl6 implementation (pack, unpack)
Now over 10k records we have that nasty heap corruption bug 23:15
records = elements 23:16
azawawi lizmat: thanks 23:16
azawawi github.com/azawawi/perl6-msgpack/b...sgpack.pl6 # Corruption beyond 10k :) 23:17
Absolute power corrupts absolutely :) 23:18
.tell nine Could you please take a look at the rakudo heap corruption bug when setting size to beyond 10k elements github.com/azawawi/perl6-msgpack/b...sgpack.pl6 . Thanks 23:22
yoleaux azawawi: I'll pass your message to nine.

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