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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
timotimo yowser, looking at the bytecode is like cutting an onion here 00:06
timotimo we already knew we'll have to get a lot smarter about native refs, but i wasn't aware we could get wins before we start doing optimizations across inlines, too 00:14
timotimo i see a piece of code - and i don't know how often it gets hit - that grabs a reference to a lexical variable, decontainerizes it (which boxes it into an Int object), then we boolify it with the "boolify a big integer" instruction, and then we check that for non-null 00:17
for some reason, we believe that lexical ref is used from 15 different places ..?! 00:19
timotimo seems to run 11x per row? 00:25
two different instances of getlexref_i in this piece of code, the both of them combined run 11x per row, that's it 00:27
timotimo okay, some of those are actually passed to another function 00:29
timotimo ah, one of these is for when you ask for :p in split, which isn't what's being used in CSV 00:31
buggable New CPAN upload: Terminal-Spinners-0.0.5.tar.gz by RYNIX cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/R/RY/...0.5.tar.gz 01:23
ryn1x ^ w00t! 01:27
timotimo cool 01:34
Herby_ timotimo: you taking part in the advent of code puzzles this year? 01:47
timotimo i'm not
Herby_ if you get bored, the new one is available in about 3 hours: adventofcode.com/
and people posting solutions over here: www.reddit.com/r/adventofcode/
typically the first few days are easy but the difficulty ramps up 01:48
timotimo i'm going through a period of RSI at the moment, so i'm incredibly bored, but also not able/allowed to do much typing
Herby_ bummer, hope you feel better 01:48
mspo timotimo: I used to get ganglion cycsts from RSI 01:50
timotimo: eventually I figured out it was cuased by bad wrist positioning more than anything else
timotimo: I would smash my hand against a stone surface to pop them
timotimo i do have a ganglion, already had it for a while, but it's still so small it's hard to notice if you don't know it's there, and it hasn't grown in like a year 01:55
mspo timotimo: I never noticed mine until the pain of it passing between my hand-bones hurt too badly 01:56
not driving has helped, actually; since I no longer have the steering wheel in a bad position
Morfent how do i pass a pointer to a string to a native function? 02:22
geekosaur it already passes them as pointers, because C. if you need a pointer to the pointer, you need to interpose another Pointer 02:23
Morfent oh, the problem was i was passing parametres the wrong way 02:38
Pointer[Str].new($output.WHERE) should've just been Pointer[Str].new
AlexDaniel c: all constant k = k 02:53
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/1034b317c444a81b8b...241aaa4879
AlexDaniel c: all my (\a) = 1; say a 03:01
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/41b21096cf1c65bad1...97668029f9 03:02
AlexDaniel bisect: old=2015.11 my (\a) = 1; say a
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2015.11 new=e5b660e) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/21747f6e3cb923eb46...43d9dec43d
AlexDaniel, (2015-12-15) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/d2...6ba77d1f92
AlexDaniel so 224 MOLD tickets before… 03:14
161 ticket now 03:15
say 224 - 161
evalable6 63
AlexDaniel say 224 ÷ 2
evalable6 112
AlexDaniel say 161 ÷ 2, ‘ticket to go :)’
evalable6 80.5ticket to go :)
AlexDaniel say 161 ÷ 2 - 112, ‘ticket to go :)’
evalable6 -31.5ticket to go :)
AlexDaniel WELL definitely not in this state of mind!!! 03:16
say 224÷2 - 161, ‘tickets to go :)’
evalable6 -49tickets to go :)
AlexDaniel ok I'll take it :D
6c: my Int $a of Str; say "hi" 03:17
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/3da7d76993df85fcd7...fe47f4930d 03:18
AlexDaniel c: all my Int $a of Str; say "hi"
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/f1dbf35f2b9c07cd7a...89ee1798da
AlexDaniel bisect: old=2015.10 my Int $a of Str; say "hi"
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by exit code (old=2015.10 new=e5b660e). Old exit code: 0
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/ffe0fa8af14bc1e218...c68a355ae5 03:19
AlexDaniel, (2015-11-18) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/06...7ee518b737
AlexDaniel c: 06729d91e^,06729d91e my Int $a of Str; say "hi"
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/4fa568877e56551e52...885970e391 03:20
AlexDaniel c: all my $a = <2147483648/1>; say $a 03:24
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/93cdd2bf81efb94e66...9230837fc6 03:25
AlexDaniel bisect: old=2015.12 my $a = <2147483648/1>; say $a
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by exit code (old=2015.12 new=e5b660e). Old exit code: 1
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/3dcbf3113004dc134c...6f955688a4
AlexDaniel, (2016-02-07) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/27...5e7412c95a
AlexDaniel m: my $a = <2147483648/1>; say $a 03:28
camelia 2147483648
AlexDaniel m: $a = <99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999/1>; say $a
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$a' is not declared
at <tmp>:1
------> 3<BOL>7⏏5$a = <9999999999999999999999999999999999
AlexDaniel m: my $a = <99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999/1>; say $a
camelia 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
AlexDaniel m: my $a = <99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999/2>; say $a
camelia 49999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999.5
AlexDaniel 6c: gist.githubusercontent.com/masak/b...izzbuzz.p6 03:31
committable6 AlexDaniel, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL.
AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/cedc8ef783acc22e8f...a98f5ad7d6
AlexDaniel 6c: constant nums = 1; my \fizzbuzz = nums\ .map({ $_ });
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/76f318afe9a72a77d2...ecff46a555
AlexDaniel bisect: old=2017.09 gist.githubusercontent.com/masak/b...izzbuzz.p6 03:33
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL. 03:33
AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2017.09 new=e5b660e) because on both starting points the exit code is 1
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/143789fbc47bdbc2d6...a3f4b93ac1 03:34
AlexDaniel, (2017-09-28) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/68...600d9b24e6
AlexDaniel c: 6824e1928^,6824e1928 gist.githubusercontent.com/masak/b...izzbuzz.p6
committable6 AlexDaniel, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL.
AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/eef75414cdee17fb25...73a49df398
AlexDaniel well, not really
c: all constant nums = 1; my \fizzbuzz = nums\ .map({ $_ }); 03:37
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/e503d4e068d7097751...b47b65a0a5 03:38
AlexDaniel bisect: constant nums = 1; my \fizzbuzz = nums\ .map({ $_ }); 03:40
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by exit code (old=2015.12 new=e5b660e). Old exit code: 1
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/f6968d1e500459f26e...97d054b9ad 03:41
AlexDaniel, (2017-10-07) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/f2...21731282dc
AlexDaniel nah I'm not going to reach 112 by myself 03:42
m: =begin DATA␤foo␤=end DATA␤say $=pod<DATA> 03:43
camelia Type Array does not support associative indexing.
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 4
AlexDaniel c: all class m { has $.a; method m1() { $::<!a"> = 1; } } ; my $c = m.new(); $c.m1(); 03:47
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/836e4459ff9c4260fa...9ca3a3f2b5 03:48
AlexDaniel eval: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Attachment/1352...58/test.p6 03:51
evalable6 AlexDaniel, It looks like a URL, but mime type is ‘application/octet-stream’ while I was expecting something with ‘text/plain’ or ‘perl’ in it. I can only understand raw links, sorry.
AlexDaniel 🖕 RT
wait, what is earliest, more and wait? 03:57
RT#125343 if anyone is interested 03:59
synopsebot RT#125343 [open]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=125343 [WEIRD] Using an earliest { ... wait 0 { ... } } causes
AlexDaniel 6c: use v6;␤␤my $supply = supply {␤ die;␤}␤␤react {␤ whenever $supply {␤␤ }␤}␤ 04:13
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/68ce947d044543596b...3a933d6c74
AlexDaniel bisect: old=2016.10 new=2016.11 use v6;␤␤my $supply = supply {␤ die;␤}␤␤react {␤ whenever $supply {␤␤ }␤}␤ 04:14
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2016.10 new=2016.11) because on both starting points the exit code is 1
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/7db4c66b0bf3377f99...0b5b069493
AlexDaniel, (2016-10-15) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/19...0a810c26e5
AlexDaniel ah damn it has the filename in the exception
AlexDaniel bisect: old=2016.10 new=2016.11 use v6;␤␤my $supply = supply {␤ die;␤}␤␤react {␤ whenever $supply {␤␤ }␤}␤CATCH { exit .gist.contains: ‘Original exception’ } 04:16
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by exit code (old=2016.10 new=2016.11). Old exit code: 0
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/5b549d89bf73b4afaf...25d16e1b4a
AlexDaniel, (2016-11-02) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/ab...80e5efecbf
wander what a new day #perl6 04:19
yoleaux 2 Dec 2017 23:13Z <AlexDaniel> wander: good news!!! I think your RT comment went through
AlexDaniel wander: o/
Herby_ wander: \o
AlexDaniel wander: we're at <147 MOLD tickets, can we get it to 112 (half of what we had before)?
oh, actually 144 already 04:20
wander oh, even forget which rt :-)
AlexDaniel wander: it was some ticket that's now closed :) 04:21
wander squashable6: status
squashable6 wander, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in ≈7 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
wander, Log and stats: gist.github.com/58300e37b003fbf2c2...7b4be6bed8
wander good news :)
AlexDaniel c: all say 1 !after 2 !after 3; 04:22
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/e4532afbab17e1f446...4fc3a66d42 04:23
AlexDaniel wander: not sure about that, I'll have to leave in an hour or so
bisect: old=2015.11 say 1 !after 2 !after 3;
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2015.11 new=e5b660e) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/312f805011d5aa22bd...56666a61ff
AlexDaniel, (2015-11-23) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/a0...d77f6a71ec
AlexDaniel c: a06069b1d^,a06069b1d say 1 !after 2 !after 3; 04:23
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦a06069b1d^: «False␤» ¦a06069b: «True␤» 04:24
wander say !((!(1 after 2)) after 1) 04:27
evalable6 True
wander if after's associativity marked 'left'
AlexDaniel c: 2017.11,HEAD my $a = (1, 2, 3); $a[42] = 21 04:28
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦2017.11,HEAD(e5b660e): «Cannot modify an immutable Str (Nil)␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/awFQWcir8L line 1␤␤ «exit code = 1»»
AlexDaniel down to 137… 04:41
wander reportable6: list 04:46
reportable6 wander, gist.github.com/637814509cbd7ed7b2...1ea1ca9224
wander reportable6: 2017-12-02T00:00:00Z 2017-12-03T00:00:00Z 04:47
reportable6 wander, OK, working on it! This may take up to 40 seconds
wander, gist.github.com/dfa7f43d6ed26a53ca...4352509448
AlexDaniel 6c: say ("a" ~~ /<alpha> & <ident> & <alnum>/).caps 04:49
committable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/8a185bf112addfc979...c785329f35
AlexDaniel hmm
bisect: say ("a" ~~ /<alpha> & <ident> & <alnum>/).caps
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=e5b660e) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/e966c87e9c18ba395d...ccd4b2d2ba
AlexDaniel, (2017-02-22) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/1c...24e4d0d5d3
AlexDaniel c: 1cafc67b1aa^,1cafc67b1aa say ("a" ~~ /<alpha> & <ident> & <alnum>/).caps 04:50
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦1cafc67b1aa^: «(ident => ｢a｣ alnum => ｢a｣ alpha => ｢a｣)␤» ¦1cafc67: «(ident => ｢a｣ alpha => ｢a｣ alnum => ｢a｣)␤»
AlexDaniel wander: well, the closest snapshot is actually 2017-12-01T07:33:00Z 04:51
AlexDaniel reportable6: 2017-12-01T07:33:00Z 2017-12-03T00:00:00Z 04:52
reportable6 AlexDaniel, OK, working on it! This may take up to 40 seconds
AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/8a38cdf3fbd564bdd0...b53b965942
AlexDaniel ↑ that looks better :) 04:53
wander yes, i know that. i wanted only to see the diff just now 04:54
:) 04:55
AlexDaniel :)
Herby_ Advent of Code: Day 3 kicks off in about 3 minutes for those interested: adventofcode.com/ 04:56
AlexDaniel wander: nah, I won't make it. Going to bed now 05:01
AlexDaniel hoping to get some good 90 minutes of sleep :)
wander rt#125061 05:10
synopsebot RT#125061 [new]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=125061 Roast rakudo skip/todo test:./S04-declarations/will.t line:33 reason: 'declared variable not visible in block yet'
wander github.com/perl6/roast/blob/03686d....t#L29-L36
regardless the NYI init, i wonder whether `will init` is supposed to see $x 05:11
my $x will begin { $same1 ~= "a"; say $x } 05:12
araraloren The second day: ideone.com/jpJpG3 05:43
:)
Herby_ araraloren: ++ 05:56
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ opened issue “Another butting issue on Str and Enum”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1296 06:16
wander m: use MONKEY-SEE-NO-EVAL; EVAL('class A { has $.a}'); say A.new(a=>4); 06:32
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared name:
A used at line 1
wander ^^ This is what rt#122289 says, IMO
synopsebot RT#122289 [open]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=122289 [WEIRD] unexpected behaviour during EVAL()
wander however, if you put these stmts line by line, it works 06:32
in REPL
not work if you write down a script 06:33
wander interesting, i've sent 4 e-mails to rt system on 4 different tickets. an hour late none of them arrived. 06:40
s/late/later/
wander errands & 06:41
geekosaur rt does that in my experience 06:42
it batches stuff
so for example with all the activity in the squashathon I go 1-2 hours with an empty mailbox and then 20 messages at once
well, not rt-the-program but whatever mail setup rt.perl.org is using/connected to 06:43
reminds me of sendmail >4 with some bad addresses in the outbound mix and bad tuning, actually. sorts by recipient, then gets stuck for an hour on the MX hosts it can't connect to 06:44
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited issue “Another butting issue on Str and Enum”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1296 06:45
araraloren gist.github.com/araraloren/9e08847...20d3d8c9ba 07:39
Can someone tell me what's the debug message mean ? It's about zef
Why it test failed 07:40
araraloren .tell ugexe I setup a new linux(fedora 25), after install rakudo-pkg. It failed when I run `install-zef-as-user.p6` ^^ 07:47
yoleaux araraloren: I'll pass your message to ugexe.
araraloren .tell ugexe sorry, fedora 26
yoleaux araraloren: I'll pass your message to ugexe.
geekosaur I'm thinking you're missing some external programs, notably 'prove' which should come from perl 5. But you;re on Fedora so you likely are suffering from the RH/Fedora 'we only install a half-assed perl' issue 07:52
you want to install the perl-core package to get a proper base perl 5 environment like every other OS / distro provides 07:54
this may also be the issue with TAP::Harness, especially if it's looking for the p5 one 07:55
AlexDaniel squashable6: status 09:14
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in ≈2 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/d692f2f0ff6314da25...1b589e8347
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited wiki page “Monthly Bug Squash Day”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day 09:16
natrys if I have a list of numbers, what's a concise way to get the first index of a certain number?
araraloren geekosaur, yeah, maybe. But it just said that `SKIP`ed, not report error 09:19
AlexDaniel m: say <60 80 31 50 20>.first(*.is-prime, :k) 09:49
camelia 2
AlexDaniel natrys: ↑
mch: Block but True 09:51
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦2015.12: «Cannot look up attributes in a type object␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/AJ1lVK6gGf line 1␤␤ «exit code = 1»» ¦HEAD(e31a414): «»
AlexDaniel mch: my $b = Block but True; say $b.WHICH
committable6 AlexDaniel, ¦2015.12: «Cannot look up attributes in a type object␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/Qe1RNQTi2t line 1␤␤ «exit code = 1»» ¦HEAD(e31a414): «Block+{<anon|94398302702384>}|U94398282163112␤»
natrys AlexDaniel: thanks! somehow missed first in the doc 09:54
AlexDaniel eval: gist.githubusercontent.com/TimToad...tfile1.txt 10:09
evalable6 AlexDaniel, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL.
(exit code 1) Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 4
in method new at /tmp/kT9pWaHpbw line 46
in block <unit> at /tmp/kT9pWaHpbw line 59
AlexDaniel c: all gist.githubusercontent.com/TimToad...tfile1.txt 10:10
committable6 AlexDaniel, Successfully fetched the code from the provided URL.
AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/297882f4f84bb8362a...523439c436
AlexDaniel 10 tickets left!! 10:11
squashable6: next 10:12
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in ≈1 hour. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/dd2ed84cee5445ddbb...74746ef56b
AlexDaniel 117!!! 10:21
5 to go!!
teatime when, if ever, should you use “use v6;” ? 10:26
AlexDaniel teatime: if you're worried that some confused mind will run it with perl5 10:27
teatime (I'm pretty satisfied naming files “….pl6” and “….pm6”, if that matters. That's fine, right?)
AlexDaniel yea, p6 is possibly more common but pl6 is fine too
teatime ah, hadn't seen that one yet actually. 10:28
teatime thanks. 10:28
lizmat AlexDaniel: have to go afk now, so no more Squashathon contributions from my end :-(
AlexDaniel lizmat: that's cool. I think we'll reach 112
teatime .p6 and .pm6, or .p6 for both?
AlexDaniel lizmat: which is half of what we had! 10:29
lizmat: something to mention in p6weekly maybe *hint-hint*
teatime “.p6” is definitely sexier, somehow. (lol) 10:29
AlexDaniel teatime: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/778
teatime in the same way that X and K are cooler letters of the alphabet.
AlexDaniel teatime: I think ö is cooler :) 10:30
actually, we already reached 112 MOLD tickets 10:31
\o/
teatime ok, so (.p6 + .pm6) seems to be the winner. thanks, AlexDaniel++ 10:32
AlexDaniel teatime: well, that's the idea. But if you have more than a hundred of modules then you can change it \o/ 10:33
teatime heh you should re-add LHF, if y'all settled that / if it wouldn't annoy coke
AlexDaniel ( well, at least you can “vote” a bit :) )
teatime haha 10:34
moritz data from perl6-all-modules: .p6 346 vs .pl 198 vs .pl6 310
pm6 2861 vs pm 1488
teatime on windows, I think I'd have the installer: associate both .p6 and .pl6 with perl6, {dunno if there'd be any reason to also associate .pm6?), and then if perl6 scripts ending in .pl are expected to work, that would actually be handled/wrapped by perl5 (or some perl-dispatching script, if you can't get buy-in from perl5 upstream) 10:36
and then in docs, it's up to you whether to just suggest .p6 or say there's a choice between the two. 10:37
AlexDaniel teatime: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/778#is...-348754983 :)
teatime but mainly, should def. assoc. both .p6 and .pl6. on unix, it matters much less / not at all.
teatime makes a quick mention of that in the bug. 10:38
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited wiki page “MOLD Removal SQUASHathon”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/MOLD...QUASHathon 10:42
AlexDaniel squashable6: status 10:43
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in ≈1 hour. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/ac4ff0923303b08223...6e42985ccf
AlexDaniel reportable6: 2017-12-01T07:33:00Z 2017-12-03T06:00:00Z 10:44
reportable6 AlexDaniel, OK, working on it! This may take up to 40 seconds
teatime AlexDaniel: I guess it's an EBIKEALREADYSHEDDED 10:44
AlexDaniel reportable6: 2017-12-01T07:33:00Z 2017-12-03T06:00:00Z
reportable6 AlexDaniel, OK, working on it! This may take up to 40 seconds
AlexDaniel a bikeshed for e-bikes? That's something new 10:45
teatime threw my 0.02¢ in tho
reportable6 AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/866ce0876f2404f0d8...6210b0e122
AlexDaniel there's not much to do here now: fail.rakudo.party/t/MOLD 11:02
maybe some of the autogenerated tickets are already resolved, but I did check them automagically with a script about two months ago 11:03
(and at the time closed some of them)
not really willing to do it again, maybe remind me next December… :)
AlexDaniel squashable6: status 11:24
squashable6 AlexDaniel, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event is in 35 minutes. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/b745dc910a2226badb...dffdef5518
MasterDuke i was travelling all day yesterday, but i did just confirm that one RT still has the same behavior 11:45
wander AlexDaniel: 103 MOLD now 12:15
[12:19] <AlexDaniel> wander: we're at <147 MOLD tickets, can we get it to 112 (half of what we had before)? 12:16
AlexDaniel` MasterDuke++ every bit counts :) 12:22
wander: \o/ 12:23
AlexDaniel reportable6: 2017-12-01T07:33:00Z 2017-12-03T12:00:00Z 13:23
reportable6 AlexDaniel, OK, working on it! This may take up to 40 seconds
AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/c2824fa8c8bffdc72c...f22e545c8b
AlexDaniel squashable6: status 13:24
squashable6 AlexDaniel, Next SQUASHathon in 32 days and ≈20 hours (2018-01-06 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
SmokeMachine Hi! how can I convert NQPArray to Array on QAST? 13:25
AlexDaniel squashable6: log 2017-12-02 13:26
squashable6 AlexDaniel, Log and stats: gist.github.com/2286b5029e04bfb1aa...f2a72879ea
AlexDaniel reportable6: 2017-12-01T07:33:00Z 2017-12-03T12:00:00Z 13:31
reportable6 AlexDaniel, OK, working on it! This may take up to 40 seconds
AlexDaniel, gist.github.com/d9a9f76e6470f80be8...463464c6cb 13:32
Popov_ #perl6 13:57
Popov_ perl6: say 'hello' 13:59
camelia Error while reading '/home/camelia/p6eval-token': No such file or directory at /home/camelia/rakudo-j-inst/bin/eval-client.pl line 10.
hello
Popov_ perl6: say "hello";
camelia hello
Error while reading '/home/camelia/p6eval-token': No such file or directory at /home/camelia/rakudo-j-inst/bin/eval-client.pl line 10.
DrForr Afternoon all. 14:00
Popov_ perl6: say "hello" eq "hello";
camelia Error while reading '/home/camelia/p6eval-token': No such file or directory at /home/camelia/rakudo-j-inst/bin/eval-client.pl line 10.
True
Popov_ perl6: say 6 eq 6;
camelia True
Error while reading '/home/camelia/p6eval-token': No such file or directory at /home/camelia/rakudo-j-inst/bin/eval-client.pl line 10.
Popov_ perl6: say 6 eq 7;
camelia Error while reading '/home/camelia/p6eval-token': No such file or directory at /home/camelia/rakudo-j-inst/bin/eval-client.pl line 10.
False
Popov_ perl6: say 6 ne 7;
camelia True
Error while reading '/home/camelia/p6eval-token': No such file or directory at /home/camelia/rakudo-j-inst/bin/eval-client.pl line 10.
DrForr The P6A interface is not letting me choose a date (the 6th, obviously) on which to publish an article. I'm guessing I should just write it as usual and paste the HTML or whatever on the 6th? 14:01
(also the p6eval-token thing looks a bit odd to me.) 14:02
moritz DrForr: you can schedule posts
DrForr: you might need the old-school interface at perl6advent.wordpress.com/wp-admin/edit.php though 14:03
DrForr: or if you are having trouble, I can schedule it for you
DrForr That's what I've been trying to do. There's a "Publish Immediately" sidebar... Aaah, that might do the trick.
Let me try that first. It gives me a calendar but won't let me actually click on a date.
moritz I can schedule it for you if you want. You can still edit it after that 14:04
tbrowder: how is your advent calendar post for tomorrow coming along?
DrForr Let me try this first... 14:05
Hold the phone here, I don't think this is the right account. Fiddling... 14:06
moritz: "Cannot Acess the Dashboard Requested" - I don't think I've got access to p6a, and it's using my existing WP account that I'd tried desperately to forget about. 14:08
moritz DrForr: should i send you an inventation to a different email address? 14:09
*invitation
DrForr I *swear* I'm going to rewrite this POC in Perl6... 14:10
AlexDaniel Popov_: we normally use “m: ” prefix 14:12
m: say 42
camelia 42
DrForr moritz++ # thanks, hopefully that'll work.
moritz btw my post for the 8th is ready, and can be swapped with an earlier date if the need arises
titsuki .tell moritz thanks for your code modification of my advent post! But I gave up using <pre> tags and decided to use gist. 14:28
yoleaux titsuki: I'll pass your message to moritz.
tbrowder .tell moritz i’ll make it but i would prefer a swap of dates if possible 15:23
yoleaux tbrowder: I'll pass your message to moritz.
Herby_ o/ 15:58
moritz tbrowder: sure, no problem 16:15
yoleaux 14:28Z <titsuki> moritz: thanks for your code modification of my advent post! But I gave up using <pre> tags and decided to use gist.
15:23Z <tbrowder> moritz: i’ll make it but i would prefer a swap of dates if possible
Geth mu: 151337f253 | (Moritz Lenz)++ | misc/perl6advent-2017/schedule
Swap days with tbrowder
 16:16
moritz ZofBot: at least in the preview of the perl 6 advent calendar, it seems that the first line of a <pre><code>...</code></pre> block is indented a few pixels more than the rest. It would be awesome if you could deploy your CSS skills to fix that 16:20
if not, no big deal
moritz blog post for tomorrow is scheduled 16:22
tbrowder .tell moritz thanks! 16:23
yoleaux tbrowder: I'll pass your message to moritz.
moritz I'm right here :-)
yoleaux 16:23Z <tbrowder> moritz: thanks!
wander squashable6: status 17:17
squashable6 wander, Next SQUASHathon in 32 days and ≈16 hours (2018-01-06 UTC-12⌁UTC+14). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
comborico1611 Perlpilot, you around? 18:05
buggable New CPAN upload: Font-FreeType-0.0.5.tar.gz by WARRINGD cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/W/WA/...0.5.tar.gz 18:33
dotness Hey. Is there a way to get a child class name from parent's method ? glot.io/snippets/ew2q9kpewp 19:21
I want to return child class instance via parent's custom constructor. Is there a way to get child class name via callframe or something buildin ? 19:22
timotimo not sure what you're looking for; how does the parent method decide which child class' name to return? 19:24
anyway, if you call the method "custom-constructor" on B rather than A - even if it's declared in A - it will create a B for you (if you use "self.bless" or "self.new")
dotness hah , funny it is in fact self.new - i was looking at it for half an hour , but couldnt see it ;) 19:25
timotimo the trick is that "self" is of the type you're calling the method on
timotimo m: class A { method what-am-i { say self.^name } }; class B is A { }; class C is B { }; A.what-am-i; B.what-am-i; C.what-am-i 19:26
camelia A
B
C
b2gills If you want the actual type object, rather than the name of it swap `.^name` with `.WHAT` 19:27
timotimo right, but you'll likely just want to call self.new or self.bless in which case it doesn't care if it's the type object or an instance
dotness thanks :) , its just funny that i had the answer before my eyes all the time - but for some reason i started playing with ::?CLASS:U - which is just a macro ;) 19:29
timotimo that expression is useful mostly in roles, because roles can be mixed into whatever classes 19:30
moritz if I enable "Use Markdown for posts and pages." on perl6advent.wordpress.com/wp-admin...riting.php will it break the existing posts and drafts? 19:47
should I try it? 19:49
comborico1611 I dunno, but I need to submit my article description. 19:52
SmokeMachine Hi there! could someone help me? Im writing a slang and one of the slang do is create a block, bur when I create the block (with the slang) inside a for loop it gets only the last value of the utterable variable... it runs all the times it should, but every time with the same value... 19:57
my code is here: github.com/FCO/p6-react/blob/master/teste2.p6
it prints:
www.irccloud.com/pastebin/CptqVuqy/ 19:58
could someone help me?
comborico1611 I'm a newb. Sorry. 19:59
SmokeMachine comborico1611: :) thanks
moritz comborico1611: and you should actually write the article :-) 20:01
SmokeMachine moritz: any help?
moritz SmokeMachine: sorry, I don't have any experience with slangs 20:02
SmokeMachine :(
comborico1611 mortiz, I'm almost finished. 20:13
moritz comborico1611: that's great
comborico1611 moritz*
Yup!
moritz and it seems bduggan is done with his post for day 10 20:14
tony-o SmokeMachine: why are you calling .render twice?
SmokeMachine the first one is the component's render and the second one is the element's render... 20:15
the component's render returns a element...
tony-o: ^^ 20:16
tony-o i have a feeling the answer is in the slang 20:19
the $item is set properly when it gets to <Item .. 20:20
ctilmes moritz - I scheduled mine for 12:00am.
on tuesday
SmokeMachine tony-o: probably... 20:21
this works:
moritz ctilmes: thanks! 20:22
SmokeMachine www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZuC8TNf5/
tony-o is that the route you want to go? the first one seems more readable 20:23
moritz ctilmes: the time zone seems not to be UTC; can I change it to midnight UTC?
SmokeMachine tony-o: no! just testing...
ctilmes please -- I wasn't sure about that
ctilmes thank you 20:23
tony-o SmokeMachine: :-) 20:24
SmokeMachine I was used to have the same kind of problem writing JS with var variables (no let)... 20:24
moritz done
SmokeMachine tony-o: like this: glot.io/snippets/ew2s40zm67 20:27
tony-o SmokeMachine: here - add this to line 8 on your Slang
say @data[0]<data>.().perl if $type eq 'Item';
evalable6 (exit code 1) 04===SORRY!04=== Error while compiling /tmp/ciGLEh_9qZ
Variable '@data' is not declared
at /tmp/ciGLEh_9qZ:1
------> 03say 08⏏04@data[0]<data>.().perl if $type eq 'Item
tony-o that gets the item you're _actually_ looking for, which sounds like the slang is parsing data="{{something}}" as a Block you need to call to get the data 20:28
SmokeMachine tony-o www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3EoSW72F/ 20:29
SmokeMachine tony-o: if I comment the 2nd render, and print its elements, this is what is printed: 20:32
Element.new(type => "ul", children => [[Element.new(type => "Item", children => [], pars => {:data(-> { #`(Block|140715798154584) ... })}), Element.new(type => "Item", children => [], pars => {:data(-> { #`(Block|140715798154584) ... })}), Element.new(type => "Item", children => [], pars => {:data(-> { #`(Block|140715798154584) ... })})],], pars => {})
tony-o SmokeMachine: gist.github.com/tony-o/8254813e242...729a26b34f
tony-o i think this does closer to what you'd like 20:33
tony-o your slang is parsing Item data="{{ $item }}" as create an element (Item) with data (Block <- callable in this case) 20:34
same as in javascript the value of $item at the time the .render.render is called is the last element in $.props<item>
tony-o that loop isn't being evaluated at the time of the .render, it's being evaluated during the grammar parsing - is another way to say what i mean 20:35
the patch above gets the value from the block at the time of parsing ^ 20:36
SmokeMachine yes! that worked! 20:37
tony-o: thank you very much!
tony-o np
now i need to make my tar module not look like the IPO of warthog, nines favorite mess 20:38
SmokeMachine IPO of warthog? sorry, what that mean? 20:39
tony-o i wrote a dependency module that nine was looking for earlier this year and it took two iterations, one to make it kind of work and then the rewrite 8 hours later to make it simple and *really* work 20:40
github.com/tony-o/p6-warthog 20:41
SmokeMachine tony-o: it looks extremely interest! 20:50
* interesting 20:51
AndChat|688961 moritz, did i upload my document onto advent page? 21:03
comborico1611 That was me, as guest account thing. 21:04
I've never used word press
moritz comborico1611: yes, but the formatting is a bit weird 21:05
comborico1611: most of the prose seems to be in monospace font
comborico1611: do you want me to fix that? 21:06
comborico1611 If it is difficult to read.
I chose that font because I like the look of it. But I didn't realize it was going to look weird.
moritz I find it harder to read than it needs to be 21:07
comborico1611 Alright go ahead. 21:08
Thanks!
moritz comborico1611: done. 21:15
comborico1611: should I schedule it for publishing on the 6th?
comborico1611 Or earlier. Doesn't matter.
moritz done 21:18
comborico1611 Thanks.
moritz comborico1611: thank you for writing for the Perl 6 advent calendar! 21:19
comborico1611 It is a good opportunity to reach some people. 21:22
comborico1611 And i believe in the community. 21:26
timotimo SmokeMachine: github.com/pmurias/p6-jsx - maybe this gives you a hint or two on how to implement jsx as a perl6 slang 21:28
SmokeMachine timotimo: very similar to what I did... 21:44
Why everything I start writing was already written?! 21:45
timotimo everything's a remix ;)
tadzik we're all markov chain bots of our former selves 21:52
pmurias SmokeMachine: are you writing a JSX slang? 21:57
SmokeMachine pmurias: kinda... 21:59
El_Che If I write a Naticall-based module, that needs 2 .so's and I build them at install time, where should be .so be placed? 22:00
(don't say some global OS PATH or LD_LIBRARY_PATH)
pmurias SmokeMachine: p6-jsx is not yet complete but what I'm hoping to achieve is to keep it as close as possible to JSX so that we can use it with real react.js on top of rakudo.js 22:01
moritz: what do you want to achieve with your slang? 22:03
SmokeMachine I was thinking something like that... but not use the react.js and change some things I don’t like in react...
pmurias moritz: sorry 22:04
SmokeMachine: what do you want to change?
SmokeMachine And I was thinking on starting with server side rendering...
I don’t remember... :P I am trying to remember while I write it... 22:06
teatime El_Che: “You can achieve […] by specifying resources under resources/libraries in your META6.json without any lib prefix or extension, and by retrieving that resource from %?RESOURCES in your module.” -- github.com/hoelzro/p6-native-resources 22:07
SmokeMachine Now my implementation isn’t just the slang... it’s rendering... (with almost no features... but it’s rendering...) 22:08
pmurias SmokeMachine: you should be able to use my slang for server side rendering without problems 22:09
El_Che teatime: thank you. I'll have a look there. Until now, I've only used system libraries. But that lib I need is not compiled by default on OS packages
(so the lib is there, but it misses what I need :) )
pmurias SmokeMachine: I don't seen any need/benefit of mixing the rendering (or passing to react.js part) with the slang itself 22:10
SmokeMachine pmurias: github.com/FCO/p6-react/tree/master 22:10
teatime El_Che: it looks like your use case has been thought of / covered, just not sure where best up-to-date docs for it is; if you see hoelzro_ around, he probably knows ;)
El_Che thx 22:12
pmurias SmokeMachine: the implementation looks similiar 22:14
SmokeMachine That’s a good signal (I think) 22:15
SmokeMachine pmurias: any special reason to do not use a pblock on token jsx_attribute_value:sym<EXPR>? 22:46
ryn1x Does this seem like a good or bad way to use SQLite3 with Perl6... by just making calls to the SQLite3 terminal utility? gist.github.com/ryn1x/7a37d5adf9b5...qlite3-pm6 22:53
My other idea was to wrap or use the C library, but that seemed like a ton of work for what I need right now...
timotimo i expect most people would use sqlite3 via DBIish 22:54
since it goes via the c api it can also get some more meta-info, like what types were the fields supposed to be
without having to understand what query the user set off
ryn1x I didn't know about DBIish... I need to go have a look... 22:56
timotimo oh, ok
ryn1x I did a search on modules.perl6.org for 'sqlite'... 22:57
timotimo it's true, you wouldn't know to search for "dbi" if you didn't come from perl5
doesn't help that DBIish doesn't have any tags in its metadata
ryn1x Man DBIish is definitely the module I needed... oh-well... I did get some good practice trying to come up with my own solution ha. 22:59
El_Che ryn1x: more power to you :)
pmurias SmokeMachine: a pblock would introduce a block, in real JSX there is an expression there 23:07
SmokeMachine: and what would the paramaters to the block be? 23:10
SmokeMachine pmurias: in my implementation I used a block, and I run that block to get the value... 23:11
SmokeMachine pmurias: but I couldn't use only the pblock... I added a extra {}... I couldn't use only the pblock... couldn't parse... 23:12
pmurias SmokeMachine: why not a regular <block> instead of <pblock> 23:13
SmokeMachine pmurias: sample: github.com/FCO/p6-react/blob/maste...ste2.p6#L7 23:14
im not sure...I tried <block>, but I couldn't -> $bla {;}... than I changed to <pblock> 23:15
dpk p6: say "fi" ~~ /fi/ 23:16
camelia Nil
pmurias SmokeMachine: I have to go to sleep, already past my bedtime, I'll have a look at the {{}} issue tommorow;)
dpk p6: say "fi" ~~ /:ignoremark fi/
camelia Nil
SmokeMachine pmurias: thanks! have a good night!
dpk p6: say "fi" ~~ /fi/ 23:17
camelia Nil
dpk p6: say "fi" ~~ /:ignoremark fi/
camelia Nil
pmurias SmokeMachine: using a real block instead of a proper expression would be more perlish for sure, my plan was to first implement JSX as close to the orginal as possible (so that we can reuse/steal docs etc.) and then add optional extra perlishness on top
sleep& 23:18
timotimo p6: say "fi" ~~ /:ignorecase fi/ 23:18
camelia ｢f｣
dpk oh, fi is considered a case variant? 23:19
timotimo must be a foldcase thing
m: say fc fi
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
fi used at line 1
timotimo m: say fc "fi"
camelia fi
dpk also, that's incorrect, surely it should return 'fi'
timotimo true
dpk p6: say "ss" ~~ /:ignorecase ß/
camelia ｢s｣
dpk ⬑ that one is significantly more likely to bite people in practice 23:20
timotimo wasn't "sharp s turns into ss" removed?
dpk from what?
timotimo by the unicode consortium i mea
dpk no
if they did, it would be wrong … ẞ is now allowed but not mandatory 23:21
timotimo ok
p6: say "fia" ~~ /:ignorecase a/ 23:23
camelia ｢a｣
dpk p6: say "ss" ~~ /:ignorecase [ss||ß]/
camelia ｢ss｣
timotimo this is the one we do get right
dpk there's a workaround, at least
SmokeMachine u: fi 23:25
unicodable6 SmokeMachine, U+0035 DIGIT FIVE [Nd] (5)
SmokeMachine, U+01BC LATIN CAPITAL LETTER TONE FIVE [Lu] (Ƽ)
SmokeMachine, 1314 characters in total: gist.github.com/eb8a9f0792565b7379...41cd70092c
SmokeMachine ??? 23:26
dpk u: fi
unicodable6 dpk, U+FB01 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FI [Ll] (fi)
timotimo digit five
that's where the fi lives
dpk so where do i report about about fi/ß matching? is it a bug in Perl 6 or in Rakudo? 23:28
timotimo i'd say rakudo, but there'll want to be test cases, which would be "against perl6"? 23:30
or maybe there are already 23:31
AlexDaniel o/ 23:34
AlexDaniel samcv: ↑ ? :) 23:38
timotimo i think one of the fundamental problems is that our matches are (basically) triples of original string, start, and length
and if you match an f that just so happens to be inside an fi ligature, we can't find a place in the original string that - when substring'd - gives you just f 23:39
though i think we may have a differentiation between "original thing matched against" and "thing we found result in"?
dpk okat, first Perl 6 bug filed … hope i did it right 23:51
AlexDaniel dpk: that's on github or RT? 23:54
dpk i typed perlbug which i assume goes to the latter 23:55
AlexDaniel okay
dpk i didn't know there's a github tracker …
AlexDaniel dpk: both are fine
although on RT your first ever bug report might take a while to appear :)

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