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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
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Herby_ how do I "unintialize" a variable? specifically a hash? 01:54
basically I'm doing some looping and at the end I want to clear out the hash
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MasterDuke m: my %h = :2nd, :1st; dd %h; %h = Empty; dd %h 02:03
camelia Hash %h = {:nd(2), :st(1)}
Hash %h = {}
MasterDuke m: my %h = :2nd, :1st; dd %h; %h = (); dd %h
camelia Hash %h = {:nd(2), :st(1)}
Hash %h = {}
Herby_ thanks :) 02:05
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Herby_ dumb question time 03:52
nm. 03:53
Voldenet hm, I wouldn't mind if perl6 had built-in http client 04:06
or json 04:07
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moritz \o 05:09
jmerelo Hi
p6: say "with an #" ~~ /<(\w+)> '#' / 05:19
camelia Nil
jmerelo p6: say "with an #" ~~ / '#' / 05:20
camelia ｢#｣
jmerelo p6: say "with an #" ~~ /<(\w+)> \s+ '#' /
camelia ｢an｣
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Hash
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synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/operators
jmerelo Travis builds per day, from the beginning github.com/JJ/TPF-Grant/blob/maste...-basic.png 06:05
Still have to hone it somewhat, and plot per month too, but tives you an idea of overall activity 06:06
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jmerelo One advantage of having two different and independent tests is that it helps filter spurious errors, such as here travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/366...tification 06:09
We get the "zed value $repo-id of type Any in string context." for no reason sometimes 06:10
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Geth doc: 528a69a3b6 | (Luca Ferrari)++ | doc/Type/IO/Socket/INET.pod6
Improve IO::Socket::INET.accept() documentation.

Specify that a new socket instance is returned by such method. Close issue #1929.
Description as of rakudo source 2018.01.		 07:14
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/IO::Socket::INET
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Testing build dir #1931
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Geth doc: 0728d80e1e | (Luca Ferrari)++ | doc/Type/IO/Socket/INET.pod6
Return value of IO::Socket::INET.get is Nil on EOF.

According to the implementation of IO::Socket and IO::Socket::INET the get method returns Nil on end of input, not a type object:
   $line.DEFINITE ?? $line !! Nil		 08:12
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/IO::Socket::INET
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lizmat github.com/Tyil/lonestar # whee! 08:20
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Trying to find out container dir
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Test with declared volumes
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Trying @zixia's approach
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Different maps refs #1931
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Setting dirs alright refs #1931
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Exploring directories refs #1931
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Still trying. Looking for mapped dirs #1931
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Still trying. Looking for mapped dirs #1931
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Geth museum-items: d7398f4c46 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | README.md
Add link to blog post
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Zoffix New blog post: "WANTED: Perl 6 Historical Items": rakudo.party/post/WANTED-Perl-6-Hi...ical-Items
ilmari did anyone keep the shards of the infamous mug? 10:53
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notable6 lizmat, Noted!
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pmurias github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/1542 - why is this PR stalled? 11:11
Zoffix passed it over because Zoffix cannot competently review that code. 11:12
tyil Zoffix: the "a" shouldnt be in ( ) in your latest post 11:24
in "I'm working on (a second) facelift to perl6.org website."
pmurias does jstuder-gh visit irc? 11:27
tyil /whowas doesnt say anything about a jstuder-gh 11:28
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Zoffix pmurias: I've seen them once, but usually no 11:33
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jkramer I just heard about that mug thing for the first time, cool story :D www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.packr.../msg3.html 11:36
"*>Did anyone keep some broken cups for later display in musuem? --- No :)" 11:37
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Geth museum-items: 81af7506e0 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2002/The-Jon-Orwant-mug-throwing-incident-at-P5P-meeting.md
Add mug throwing incident email thread
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Zoffix tyil: thanks, but can't be bothered to update that. 11:55
Geth doc/fluca1978-pod-introspection: bc1661e3cf | (Luca Ferrari)++ | doc/Language/pod.pod6
Short introduction to Pod introspection.

See issue #1907		 11:57
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Add Perl6 subject in statement.
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Fluca1978 pod introspection		 11:59
Zoffix does it anyway...
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Geth doc: JJ assigned to fluca1978 Issue The pod section of the docs should mention how to access pod via $= github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1907
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This would actually refs #1932, but I'm piggybacking on this to test shippable too.		 12:01
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Geth museum-items: d0a968c81f | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2002/The-Jon-Orwant-mug-throwing-incident-at-P5P-meeting.md
Update The-Jon-Orwant-mug-throwing-incident-at-P5P-meeting.md
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Geth doc: bc4388b506 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml
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Testing with @nxadm's packages

Out of desperation, I found no way to make it work with docker. Refs #1931		 12:45
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[Coke] jmerelo: do you still have questions about the "" != "" line in the doc test? 12:50
[#perl6] 12:52
github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/M...le#L40-L46
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jmerelo [Coke]: that was not really the issue, only that was close to where the error was happening. It was eventually due to not setting up PATH properly from inside a shell script 12:55
[Coke]: I got that working yesterday; problem now is I can't get shippable to work. 12:56
Although it seems to be liking the last one app.shippable.com/github/perl6/doc.../1/console 12:57
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[Coke] you can make curl/wget follow redirects, if that helps 13:02
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tadzik soo, Perl 6 history museum? Neat idea :) 13:10
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pmurias Zoffix: re using history for marketing I feel a lot of the Perl 6 attempts feel apart by failing to bring a community of developers to push them rather than insurmountable obstacles 13:16
Zoffix pmurias: submit your factual evidence of that to the museum-items repo. 13:18
Or detailed personal account of the events that led you to that conclusion. You know, something that could be placed in a museum 13:19
Geth doc/master: 5 commits pushed by (Will "Coke" Coleda)++
[Coke] feels like we're not reviewing prs in doc before merging them. 13:20
[Coke] will attempt to review PRs more actively to help from that end.
Zoffix [Coke]: I do review them. What in particular caught your eye to give the impression they aren't? 13:22
AlexDaniel [Coke]: example? To me it feels like we're not reviewing direct commits enough, but PRs typically get some eyes.
or you mean typos and stuff? 13:23
Geth ¦ marketing: zoffixznet self-assigned Material to include in "Perl 6 Starter Kit" github.com/perl6/marketing/issues/14 13:31
Zoffix .tell DrForr you done a bunch of Perl 6 workshops. Do you got any advice to offer for what should be included in our Perl 6 Starter Kit? github.com/perl6/marketing/issues/14
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to DrForr.
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Geth museum-items: 87496b7474 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | MODEL-RELEASE-FORM.md
Future-proof potential creation of PDF/prints of the Museum
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[Coke] Yes, I was referring to typos, code that doesn't compile, etc. Best way for me to be happy there is to more proactively review the PRs, so will do so. no worries. 14:07
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buggable New CPAN upload: List-MoreUtils-0.0.1.tar.gz by ELIZABETH cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/E/EL/...0.1.tar.gz 14:08
ufobat___ i've got 2 lists, and i want to compare those 2 and count the number of elements that are the same on their position 14:29
like (1,2,4) and (1,99,4) => True, False, True => so i am looking for _2_ 14:30
i could @a Z[==] @b and then? .grep()?
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jkramer m: say ((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(*.so).elems 14:31
camelia 2
jkramer There's probably a shorter/nicer way
ufobat *.so is what i wasn't able to work out! 14:32
yoleaux 14 Apr 2018 00:30Z <Zoffix> ufobat: how come Bailador has a badge saying it ain't maintained (as of 2017)? i.imgur.com/bUlIUfa.png
14 Apr 2018 00:41Z <Zoffix> ufobat: nm, mistery solved: github.com/Bailador/Bailador/pull/302
ufobat i didnt know that that so is a method 14:33
AlexDaniel m: say ((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(*).elems 14:37
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AlexDaniel m: say ((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(?*).elems
camelia 2
AlexDaniel m: say ((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(True).elems
camelia Cannot use Bool as Matcher with '.grep'. Did you mean to use $_ inside a block?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
AlexDaniel no I actually meant to use Bool as Matcher 14:38
because why not 14:39
well, there's probably some WAT that is hidden by this, I guess
m: say ((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(1).elems 14:40
camelia 2
ufobat but thats obfuscated 14:41
thats because Bool is an enumeration and True is the 1st?
jkramer m: say +((1,2,4) Z== (1,99,4)).grep(?*) 14:42
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AlexDaniel m: say True ~~ 1
camelia True
AlexDaniel yea 14:43
jkramer Saves .elems
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jeckyhl hi! I would like to kow how to write a file with non-ascci characters in file name 14:46
I've tried spurt "héllo.txt", "data and stuff\n"; but this writes "héllo.txt"
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Juerd It seems it assumes things need to be encoded as UTF-8, while your environment is probably latin1 14:49
1;0 juerd@cxien:~$ perl6 -e'"héllo".encode.decode("latin1").say' 14:50
Can not decode a utf-8 buffer as if it were latin1
Err...
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jeckyhl @Juerd is there a way that a could change some settings so perl6 handle filenames as latin1 ? 14:50
Juerd jeckyhl: I have no idea, sorry.
jeckyhl @jeckyhl no pb thks 14:51
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jmerelo jeckyhl: I'll take a look, but please submit that question also to StackOverflow. We need perl6 questions there 14:51
jeckyhl @jmerelo OK 14:52
El_Che hi jmerelo 14:54
jmerelo Hi El_Che
El_Che hi everyone
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Zoffix jeckyhl: what operating system are you on, Windows? 14:56
El_Che jmerelo: how do you want to create a matrix of available versions? programmatically? (working on bintray repos now, seeing if I can upload all the debs of a build and make distinctions between os/release)
Zoffix AlexDaniel: the wat is that smartmatch with True is always True.
AlexDaniel ahhhh
right
El_Che Zoffix++ for the site migration.
jeckyhl @Zoffix yes Windows 7 pro french
jmerelo El_Che: not sure you can do that, unless you work on the travis build system itself 14:57
stmuk_ Zoffix: maybe a known issue but there is a report on perl6-users that star msi download is broken
Zoffix jeckyhl: and you're using cmd.exe to run your script? It's not using utf8 by default. Run this command: chcp 65001 then try the perl 6 script again
stmuk_ www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6...g4724.html 14:58
jeckyhl Zoffix It's not cmd i ran a .p6 file directly with perl.exe (the source file is UTF-8 encoded)
Zoffix jeckyhl: I just tried with `chcp 65001` thing and it didn't help either :( 14:59
1 sec. Let me experiment with it
moritz stmuk_: rakudo.org/latest/star/win64 seems to be the new stable link
jeckyhl Zoffix: :(
stmuk_ moritz: ok I'll reply on list and keep an eye open for any old links 15:00
Zoffix moritz: stmuk_ no wait
The old links still meant to work
stmuk_ ok
El_Che I just checked and for rakudo-pkg I didn't have to replace links 15:01
bbl
Zoffix m: say "/downloads/star/rakudo-star-latest-x86_64 (JIT).msi" eq "/downloads/star/rakudo-star-latest-x86_64 (JIT).msi" 15:02
camelia True
Zoffix :/
moritz maybe some URL escaping fanciness with space and () ? 15:04
Geth doc: 71ee3f6bcb | (JJ Merelo)++ | Makefile
Debugs shippable refs #1931
moritz jmerelo: I must say that these commit messages give me no idea what's actually going on
if you add a "build: " or so to the commit message, it makes more sense 15:05
jmerelo moritz: OK
moritz: today is the day I've got to fight with shippable. Again bumpled into the same problem I had yesterday, make apparently not using the $PATH or something 15:06
Zoffix nah, it's interraction betweeen Redirect and RewriteRules
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Zoffix jeckyhl: what do you mean by "directly with perl.exe"? You're typing your commands in this black window, right? And you write "perl6.exe your-script.p6" right? 15:08
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[Build] Test shippable executable paths refs #1931
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jeckyhl Zoffix yes I mean I write my code with my favorite editor, I save to "script.pl6" and the perl6 script.pl6
..an then perl6 ... 15:11
Zoffix is failing on both fronts.... 15:18
Has this really been broken all the time? Can't create "héllo.txt" as a filename on Windows? 15:19
jeckyhl: what perl6 version are you using? 15:20
jeckyhl Zoffix: Rakudo version 2018.03-209-g28c9ae4fa built on MoarVM version 2018.03-99-g4234ab56b implementing Perl 6.c
Geth doc: 6e68e22a4f | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml
[Build] Finding out installation dir
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Zoffix samcv: timotimo do you know the trick to it? Creating filename named `héllo.txt` on windows. Currently it creates gibberish 15:22
stmuk_ I think utf-8 output on windows was one of A. Sinan Unur 15:25
's complaints
Zoffix The only thing I remember is command line args and that was fixed
stmuk_: can you reply to that user on the mailing list, saying the old link is now fixed (though browsers cache redirects and it may need some cache purging for it to work again right). Or they can use the new link directly: rakudo.org/latest/star/win64 15:26
stmuk_ Zoffix: someone else replied with the new link already but I'll reply with the link fix 15:27
Geth rakudo.org: 4527c9c0b5 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | apache.conf
Fix ups to redirect old `latest` URLs right
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Zoffix jeckyhl: this works: "héllo.txt".encode("latin1").decode("utf8-c8").IO.spurt: "data and stuff\n"; 15:31
jeckyhl Zoffix: I works 15:33
Zoffix jeckyhl: I'm hoping it can be made to work without needing that workaround. I filed an Issue for that: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1737 15:34
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jeckyhl Zoffix: If it can be useful [assume héllo.txt is created] for dir(test => /.txt/) -> $file { say $file.IO.slurp; } # --> Failed to open file... 15:36
Zoffix :( 15:37
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jeckyhl :S 15:37
Zoffix looks like the same problem as original 15:39
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Zoffix jeckyhl: for dir :test{.ends-with: '.txt'} -> $file { say $file.absolute.encode("latin1").decode("utf8-c8").IO.slurp }
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jeckyhl Zoffix: :) 15:42
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jmerelo Shippable takes 7 minutes, but it's not running htmlify app.shippable.com/github/JJ/doc/runs/5 15:43
At least it can be a fast check of the t/*, which are the most usual problems 15:44
It should save 4 minutes more, I think, as soon as it's cached, so we might have early results of tests in less than 4 minutes.
Zoffix jeckyhl: here, stick it somewhere at the top of your program: for Str, IO::Path { with .^lookup: 'IO' { .wrap: -> \p { IO::Path.new: (p ~~ Str ?? p !! p.absolute).encode("latin1").decode: "utf8-c8" } } } 15:45
jmerelo I have prepared a specific container for shippable, anyway, just in case cache does not kick in in shippable
Zoffix jeckyhl: then your regular code should work. And I'm gonna add a note on that Issue that .dir stuff is also broken 15:46
jmerelo Zoffix, jeckyhl: please replicate these question and answer in StackOverflow. Thanks!
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jmerelo Zoffix: I can post an answer and point to your answer here, don't worry about that. But please, by all means, try and populate StackOverflow and other places with perl6 Q&A. It's the place to go for every dev 15:48
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jeckyhl Zoffix: with IO::Path fix, regular code works for me too 15:51
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Zoffix cool 15:54
jeckyhl Bye everyone, thx Juerd & Zoffix 15:57
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jmerelo [Coke]: hi!
[Coke] hi 18:26
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jmerelo cfa: sun setting over sunny Southern Spain, so good evening :-) 18:42
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jmerelo Off to dinner. See you tomorrow! 18:56
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lizmat and another Perl 6 Weekly hits the Net: p6weekly.wordpress.com/2018/04/16/...6-so-that/ 21:13
tyil lizmat++
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El_Che "Samantha McVey made sure that MoarVM / nqp / Rakudo build on Solaris" <--- more info? 21:24
lizmat: "Samantha McVey made sure that MoarVM / nqp / Rakudo build on Solaris" <--- more info?
samcv hello
lizmat that's what it said in the MoarVM commit log ? 21:25
El_Che lizmat: the link of jjmerelo's tweet is weird: "Understanding Repo Dynamics by ."
twice
lizmat yeah, fixed now
right?
copy pasto
El_Che refresh does not shows a corrected version 21:26
samcv MoarVM: i fixed libtommath building on solaris (got changed upstreamed too), fixed a problem building moarvm on 32-bit solaris; fixed a problem with Configure.pl on solaris (nqp/rakudo)
El_Che I worked on Solaris packages some time ago, and gave up 21:27
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Zoffix lizmat++ # good weekly 21:27
lizmat: would you mind changing "please contact Zoffix Znet" to "please see blog post for details: rakudo.party/post/WANTED-Perl-6-Hi...ical-Items " ? 21:28
samcv El_Che: the reason i fixed solaris was while i was testing my MoarVM pr on all platforms github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/pull/841 since it depends on platform specific random functions on os's that support them
Zoffix I kinda lurk in the shadows and I imagine most people don't know how to contact me and it's better if they commit history items directly to repo.
samcv which was a pain in the BUTT
and finding all the C define's for determining OS version, and finding what os version these commands were added to, researching whether they blocked or not, testing on every platform etc
El_Che samcv: did you build it with gcc or SunStudio? 21:29
samcv gcc
El_Che ok
samcv well i followed solaris's instructions
El_Che it used to be the wrong answer
but nowadays it's the better choice
samcv and on solaris had to fix a problem compiling on 32bit with cflags 21:30
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El_Che so, If I try to build 2018.04, the changes will be included? 21:30
samcv which was annoying. we pass -U_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 so we get access to large files on 32 bit
but one of our libraries includes libelf from solaris which basically puts in a die condition if that is defined to something not our arch 21:31
which i guess makes sense, since that section of the codebase can't access large files since it's 32bit arch. but annoying that solaris dies there
El_Che (I used to do a lot of Solaris infra, then Oracle happened, moved to a job without Solaris and the opensource solaris project I helped with their Perl (5) packages is kind of in coma) 21:32
Zoffix lizmat++ # thanks :)
lizmat Zoffix: yw
samcv so disabled -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS by setting -U_FILE_OFFSET_BITS to negate the flag. which is okay since on solaris 64 bit that flag being passed is not needed at all after researching for a while 21:33
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El_Che samcv: good catch 21:33
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yoleaux timotimo: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
El_Che timotimo: try telling stuff like that to the marketing department :) 21:45
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xq what is the recommended reading for learning perl6 for perl5 users ? 22:05
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El_Che xq: perl6book.com/ 22:06
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El_Che xq: I just picked a small project, open these slides www.jnthn.net/papers/2015-spw-perl6-course.pdf and doc.perl6.org 22:08
after that a read Perl 6 Fundamentals and Think Perl 6, but more out of curiosity
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xq thanks El_Che 22:16
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El_Che xq: and of course, this channel 22:19
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comborico1611 What is the company/project with the gecko in lightgreen and blue? 22:24
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El_Che comborico1611: this one? www.activestate.com/sites/default/...k=7OTKH3dZ 22:38
comborico1611 El_Che: Nope. Found it. www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Lisp-pr...-originate 22:40
Thanks, though!
xq this page rakudo.org/files/star/source under linux instructions shows a curl command that is supposed to download a tarball
but actually executing this command results in a 321 byte file containing HTML with apache redirect. 22:41
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El_Che rakudo.org/latest/star/source <-- that one? works here 22:44
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following instructions from page ^
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samcv can someone help me with some probability? I'm unsure how to calculate this: we have 8 buckets, we roll an 8 sided die to decide when to add an item to the bucket. on average how many times until the bucket is full. if it takes 10 items to fill the bucket 23:01
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Zoffix xq: thanks. Fixed. We just launched this updated website last night, so it still got a couple of bugs to shake out :) 23:04
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xq glad to help 23:04
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Zoffix \o
samcv experimentally it's 47 times on average.
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samcv ah i think i figured it out 23:08
Zoffix ⅛*x = 10
m: say 10/⅛
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samcv i had a suspicion i needed to use factorials to solve it
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Zoffix m: say ([+] gather { for ^1000 { my $picks = 0; my $b = 0; loop { $picks++; if ^8 .pick == 1 { $b++; last if $b == 10 } }; take $picks } })/1000 23:12
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Zoffix m: say ([+] gather { for ^1000 { my $picks = 0; my $b = 0; loop { $picks++; if ^8 .pick == 1 { $b++; last if $b == 10 } }; take $picks } })/1000
camelia 82.087
Zoffix m: say ([+] gather { for ^10000 { my $picks = 0; my $b = 0; loop { $picks++; if ^8 .pick == 1 { $b++; last if $b == 10 } }; take $picks } })/10000
camelia 80.1381
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El_Che xq: you must instruct curl to follow redirects with -L 23:24
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El_Che xq: wget does that by default, curl not. E.g. this is also the case for rakudo release download (those are also redirects) cc:Zoffix 23:24
Zoffix: maybe add a -L to the instructions 23:25
Zoffix El_Che: you have the commit bit: github.com/perl6/rakudo.org/
(add [REAPP] in the title of the commit)
samcv: did you figure out the formula? 23:26
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xq I already compiled it, thanks El_Che 23:29
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Zoffix samcv: I see the difference between our code is: mine = "we roll an 8-sided die and fill a bucket each time it shows 1; how many rolls until it fills" whereas yours is "we randomly fill 8 buckets on each roll; how many rolls to fill at least one of the buckets" 23:31
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samcv yeah 23:32
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samcv mathworld.wolfram.com/BinomialDistribution.html 23:34
basically this
Zoffix the name rings a bell 23:36
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Herby_ how do I make a simple grammar case insensitive? 23:40
so 720p and 720P both match? 23:41
Zoffix :i
Herby_ where do i strategically place that :i?
Zoffix m: say grammar { token TOP { :i 720p } }.parse: '720P'
camelia ｢720P｣
Herby_ my google-fu is failing me
ah ok
Zoffix m: say grammar { token TOP { 720 [:i p] } }.parse: '720P'
camelia ｢720P｣
Herby_ hmm 23:42
if I have a bunch of tokens that compose my TOP token, do I have to place the :i in each "sub" token?
Zoffix Yeah
Herby_ that did it. thanks! 23:43
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samcv Zoffix: ok i got it www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=k%3D...))+*+N+*+2 23:52
for k trials and N buckets and x is the maximum number of things allowed in the bucket 23:53
Zoffix samcv: how did you come up with 46.1? 23:54
samcv and we multiple the two complex fractions by N becuase there's N buckets, otherwise we'd be getting probability for only one bucket. and we multiply everything by 2, because we want to know if it's 10 items or greater,
i just plugged in numbers. i could get wolfram alpha to solve for it though
Zoffix samcv: and the 0.50 result it shows, what does that represent?
samcv i think multiplying by 2 makes sense. it makes things match reality. because without the 2 it should jus ttell us how many buckets have exactly 10. but we want 10 or more
50 % chance
Zoffix 50% chance that at least one bucket fills after 46.1 trials? 23:55
samcv good question
yeah i think so
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Zoffix #math told me it's a tricky problem. "jle` │ Zoffix: the expected amount of water after N rolls is the binomial distribution" "jle` │ Zoffix: "expected number of times before a certain event happens" is the Geoemtric Distribution" "jle` │ Zoffix: but that only applies of the event happens with equal probability every time" "jle` │ Zoffix: if you calculate those expected values you should get 80 times 23:56
for any given bucket" "jle` │ Zoffix: but the complication happens when you consider the 'which was first'"
Zoffix decides to go hack on a website instead :) 23:58
samcv i'm trying to model about how many keys we have to add to a hash until we double the number of buckets for our moarvm hash impl
but i think this should be right
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