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Xliff Can someone tell me why a call to the GTK::Widget version won't print "PSW" when called with nextwith -> github.com/Xliff/p6-GtkPlus/blob/m...x.pm6#L128 00:29
lookatme_q This blog rakudo.party/post/Perl6-But-Heres-...with-Maybe will be helpful Xliff 00:31
lookatme_q Xliff, and this stackoverflow.com/questions/512399...-it-exhaus 00:34
stackoverflow.com/questions/496987...osed-to-do 00:35
Xliff lookatme_q: Thanks! 00:49
Xliff lookatme_q: OK, so I've read through a few, and I'm still not grokking. 00:56
Xliff OK. I am done. I think I will drink beer and maybe my muse will figure shiznit out for me. 00:59
lookatme_q OK :)
Xliff But if you have help to offer, I am listneing. 01:00
Of course, listening... is not something I can spell rite
The problem, as I can see it, is that the parameter is not GtkWidget.
However, I am nativecasting the bloody thing, so I can't get why it doesn't work. 01:01
lookatme_q what's the type of $child.widget ?
Xliff GtkWidget 01:03
lookatme_q Have you tried samewith 01:04
Xliff, or how to run the code 01:06
I want have a try
Xliff Yeah, the problem is not only the GtkWidet. It's converting the Bool value to uint32, and Bool.Int isn't enough, it seems. 01:07
Something tells me that I might need to do something drastic.
Xliff I thought Int's should resolve properly to uint32/int32. but apparently I am mistaken. 01:08
lookatme_q Xliff, they are native type 01:11
Xliff And? 01:12
How to resolve? Do I need to assign them to native containers and THEN pass?
That becomes a bit of a problem.
Xliff Why can't Int just be passed to a uint/int/32/64? 01:13
lookatme_q m: use NativeCall; my Int $a = 2; sub f(int32 $a) { say $a; }; f $a;
camelia 2
lookatme_q but seems like it can
benjikun they can
Xliff That's the point. In that situation, they DO.
However I am running into cases where they are not.
benjikun what cases? 01:14
Xliff samewith($child.widget, $expand.Int, $fill.Int, $padding); 01:14
lookatme_q Xliff, so there still be something else wrong in the code
Xliff Should pass to this sig: multi method pack_start (GtkWidget $child, uint32 $expand, uint32 $fill, guint $padding)
lookatme_q Xliff, so how to run the test, I have fetch the code
Xliff lookatme_q: perl6 -Ilib t/01-widget.t 01:14
lookatme_q okay 01:15
let me have a look
Xliff Thanks!
lookatme_q m: use NativeCall; my Int $a = 2; sub f(uint32 $a) { say $a; }; f $a; 01:18
camelia 2
lookatme_q m: use NativeCall; class Foo { multi method b(Bool $a) { say "BOol"; my uint32 $au = $a; samewith($au); }; multi method b(uint32 $a) { say "UINT32"; }; }; my $f = Foo.new; $f.b: True 01:30
camelia BOol
UINT32
lookatme_q m: use NativeCall; class Foo { multi method b(Bool $a) { say "BOol"; samewith($au.Int); }; multi method b(uint32 $a) { say "UINT32"; }; }; my $f = Foo.new; $f.b: True
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$au' is not declared. Did you mean 'tau'?
at <tmp>:1
------> 3ethod b(Bool $a) { say "BOol"; samewith(7⏏5$au.Int); }; multi method b(uint32 $a) {
lookatme_q Xliff, so they not support that in method
or caused by something else 01:31
lookatme_q m: use NativeCall; class Foo { multi method b(Bool $a) { say "BOol"; samewith(my uint32 $ = $au); }; multi method b(uint32 $a) { say "UINT32"; }; }; my $f = Foo.new; $f.b: True 01:31
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$au' is not declared. Did you mean 'tau'?
at <tmp>:1
------> 3a) { say "BOol"; samewith(my uint32 $ = 7⏏5$au); }; multi method b(uint32 $a) { say
lookatme_q m: use NativeCall; class Foo { multi method b(Bool $a) { say "BOol"; samewith(my uint32 $ = $a); }; multi method b(uint32 $a) { say "UINT32"; }; }; my $f = Foo.new; $f.b: True
camelia BOol
Cannot resolve caller b(Foo: Int); none of these signatures match:
(Foo: Bool $a, *%_)
(Foo: uint32 $a, *%_)
in method b at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
lookatme_q m: use NativeCall; class Foo { multi method b(Bool $a) { say "BOol"; samewith($a.Int); }; multi method b(uint32 $a) { say "UINT32"; }; }; my $f = Foo.new; $f.b: True
camelia BOol
Cannot resolve caller b(Foo: Int); none of these signatures match:
(Foo: Bool $a, *%_)
(Foo: uint32 $a, *%_)
in method b at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
lookatme_q And actually they said we can use `my uint32 $ = $a` create a uint32 pass to the method, but seems like they not fix that yet 01:33
my gboolean ($expand_, $fill_, $padding_) = ($expand, $fill, $padding); samewith($child.widget, $expand_, $fill_, $padding_); 01:34
Xliff, anyway this will be work, but they cause the test failed with MoarVm panic
oh, I used the wrong type for $padding_ 01:35
timotimo was it chocolate or vanilla? 01:36
Xliff LOL!
lookatme_q+_
lookatme_q++ # Oops!
I will look into that.
lookatme_q Okay :)
have to do work now 01:37
Xliff kk
Thanks for the help!
benjikun en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumerated_type#Perl_6 01:45
See if you guys want to change/add anything to that
There are a few articles on wikipedia that don't include Perl6 as programming examples 01:46
I'll compile a list of wikipedias that should include Perl6 examples that we can add to 01:47
lookatme_q I don't like the design of enum in Perl6 :/ 01:49
benjikun What's wrong with it?
I think it was an afterthought sorta
geekosaur there's some known warts 01:50
lookatme_q hmm 01:51
m: enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>; 01:52
camelia Potential difficulties:
Redeclaration of symbol 'A, B and C'
at <tmp>:1
------> 3enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>7⏏5;
lookatme_q so you get the error
But I just want to using them like Foo::A or Bar::A
geekosaur that's a warning, though.
m: enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>; say Bar::B 01:53
camelia Potential difficulties:
Redeclaration of symbol 'A, B and C'
at <tmp>:1
------> 3enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>7⏏5; say Bar::B
B
lookatme_q though I have a skill about that :)
geekosaur note that it actually did the 'say' afterward
lookatme_q m: class Foo { enum < A B C >; }; class Bar { enum < A B C >; }; say Foo::A; say Bar::A;
camelia A
A
benjikun pastecode.xyz/view/5a4e619d 01:54
Here are the places I've found that need Perl6 examples
geekosaur m: no worries; enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>; say Bar::B
camelia B
lookatme_q but why raised an warning ? 01:55
:/ not know that
geekosaur because if you do 'say B' it won't know which one to use
and if you'd done so, that would raise an actual error
lookatme_q I won't using `say B`
geekosaur so it warns you about the conflict, but you can use 'no worries' to suppress it
lookatme_q only suppress that warning ? 01:56
benjikun It doesn't mess anything up 01:57
geekosaur you'd need to scope it to only suppress that one, I think
m: { no worries; enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>; } say Bar::B
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3num Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>; }7⏏5 say Bar::B
expecting any of:
infix
infix stoppe…
geekosaur m: { no worries; enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>; }; say Bar::B 01:58
camelia B
geekosaur m: { no worries; enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>; }; enum Baz <A B C>; say Bar::B 01:58
camelia B
geekosaur ...that's escaping its scope. sigh
lookatme_q seems like better
geekosaur wanted to get a warning from Baz but not Bar. so 'no worries' escapes its scope. 01:59
lookatme_q m: { no worries; enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>; }; say ::.keys; 02:01
camelia (GLOBALish $?PACKAGE $_ $/ $=pod $¢ $! $=finish EXPORT !UNIT_MARKER ::?PACKAGE)
lookatme_q m: enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>; say ::.keys;
camelia Potential difficulties:
Redeclaration of symbol 'A, B and C'
at <tmp>:1
------> 3enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < A B C>7⏏5; say ::.keys;
(::?PACKAGE $¢ $=pod C A $?PACKAGE Foo B EXPORT Bar !UNIT_MARKER $_ $=finish GLOBALish $…
geekosaur hm, or the unqualified names are scoped to the braces, so no conflict. which would be another wart if the qualified names do so escape
lookatme_q m: enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < B A C>; say Bar::B.Int;
camelia Potential difficulties:
Redeclaration of symbol 'B, A and C'
at <tmp>:1
------> 3enum Foo < A B C >; enum Bar < B A C>7⏏5; say Bar::B.Int;
0
lookatme_q that's better, but I still think it's not a good design, which export the enum variable to out side 02:02
geekosaur many expect that, though, especially if they are used to C enums 02:09
benjikun True 02:10
But everything else I've encountered in Perl6 is supposed to be highlevel and DWIW
Geth ecosystem: d0c6518a2a | 0racle++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Remove deprecated module

Pod::To::Markdown::Fenced is obsolete and deprecated. It's functionality is now available in Pod::To::Markdown.		 03:59
tyil .tell benjikun are you the Benji from the ML to poke about the user survey? 05:51
yoleaux tyil: I'll pass your message to benjikun.
Geth doc: 884b443a0a | Moray++ | 44 files
Sentence case for titles/subtitles/heads in Language docs

Changes a number of different heading types into sentence case in the Language documents.
Only worked on strings and not on generated strings.		 06:44
doc: 9087e95ef0 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 44 files
Merge pull request #2241 from MorayJ/sentenceCasing

Sentence case for titles/subtitles/heads in Language docs. Closes #2223
jmerelo Hi! 06:50
Geth ¦ ecosystem-unbitrot: JJ self-assigned Task::Noise github.com/perl6/ecosystem-unbitrot/issues/48 06:54
jmerelo .seen mziescha 07:18
yoleaux I saw mziescha 18 Dec 2017 21:17Z in #perl6: <mziescha> Ok thanks for your help :-)
masak famous last words 07:20
ToddAndMargo Hi All, I am truing to convert a string into an array of integers. What am I doing wrong? 07:30
p6 'my Str $x = "1\n22\n333\n"; my Int @y; @y = ( split "\n", $x ) + 0; for @y -> $i {say $i;}' 4
lookatme_q m: my Str $x = "1\n22\n333\n"; my Int @y; @y = ( split "\n", $x )>>.Int; for @y -> $i {say $i;} 07:31
camelia 1
22
333
0
lookatme_q ToddAndMargo, ^^^
using hyper operator >>
and you maybe not want the last 0 07:32
m: my Str $x = "1\n22\n333\n"; my Int @y; @y = ( split "\n", $x, :skip-empty )>>.Int; for @y -> $i {say $i;}
camelia 1
22
333
ToddAndMargo Cool! Thank you! 07:33
lookatme_q Welcome :)
masak m: my Str $x = "1\n22\n333\n"; my Int @y = $x.words>>.Int; say @y 07:46
camelia [1 22 333]
lizmat clickbaits p6weekly.wordpress.com/2018/08/06/...thon-done/ 09:16
.tell benjikun you'll be the first next week
yoleaux lizmat: I'll pass your message to benjikun.
Altreus lizmat: s/a another/another/ 09:18
lizmat Altreus++ # fixed 09:19
Altreus :) 09:19
I had to guess you wrote it because as far as I can see, it doesn't say :O
oh there! liztormato
lizmat yeah... well... yeah, I try to be as little as schizo as possible :-) 09:20
tormato just happens to be my favourite Yes album
Altreus It is a good one 09:22
Mine is 90125 because I had it on vinyl when I was a kid 09:23
I used to listen to it while playing Goldeneye on my N64 :D
lizmat :-) 09:25
weekly: codewat.ch/blog/4 09:26
notable6 lizmat, Noted!
masak codewat.ch ?
oh! it's someone's blog
for a confusing moment I thought it was the URL of the weekly... :) 09:27
don't mind me, ENOTENOUGHCOFFEE
lizmat pours masak some java
masak that hits the hotspot 09:28
lizmat notable6: weekly 09:31
notable6 lizmat, 8 notes: gist.github.com/c87e8d645b96817e2b...ac812f4732
lizmat notable6: weekly reset
notable6 lizmat, Moved existing notes to “weekly_2018-08-07T09:31:19Z”
lizmat weekly: codewat.ch/blog/4
notable6 lizmat, Noted!
lizmat ok, so we're on schedule for next week
jast so, the arguments about camelia. did someone actually spell out the argument that one function of camelia is to filter out people who are "too serious", or is that just my imagination? 09:34
masak I've seen it here on the channel, but not in a blog post
might've missed it, though
anyway, it comes down to taste, for which there is famously no accounting. I like Camelia, and so does my 3-year-old at home. 09:35
Altreus am I to understand that the use of a not-cartoony animal is serious enough for these curmudgeons?
lizmat "Camelia is designed to impress 7-year-old girls more than 47-year-old alpha geeks, and generally succeeds at that."
from developers.slashdot.org/story/16/0...larry-wall
jast purely in terms of personal taste I think it could have been polished a little more 09:36
masak is more of a lambda geek
jast by which I don't mean, make it less cute/fun/etc., just purely drawing/design details
but generally the idea works for me
Altreus well at least we're complaining about the mascot now, instead of the name 09:37
masak I think Camelia works fine as a bikeshedding absorber
jast the name is now officially 8lang, isn't it
alpha, lambda... I need some other greek letter to set myself apart, any ideas? 09:38
masak last I checked, it's called Perl 7000
jast: gamma geek
jast how can it compete against a BFG 9000, then?
masak .oO( some other geek letter )
jast as in gamma rays, as in mess everything up? works for me
xiaomiao jast: they don't mess things up, they are just very effective for transferring energy 09:39
Altreus in that case I bagsy omicron
jast yes, and transferring too much energy into something messes it up. :}
Altreus o, micron, where art thou?
jast also, not too much facts, please... I'm allergic to those 09:40
Altreus wherefore art thou so damn micro
jast that's nothing compared to opicon 09:40
Altreus The nuon is the quantum particle of subtlety 09:41
jast I'm afraid that's not my area of expertise... subtlety, I mean
scimon So whilst the heat sapped my ability to think coherently during the Squashathon it did remind me about Test::HTTP::Server. I've done some additional work on it today so it now serves a selection of files. 09:44
Next up being able to add a config so it can give different mock data for different requests. The goal being to have a simple system to allow for testing systems that are making requests to HTTP based services.
Hey I've got a cuddly Camelia on my desk at work. She cheers me up when I'm feeling down. 09:45
jast someone else is already doing that for me... www.gamalive.com/images/fiches/2185...luches.jpg 09:48
scimon Also good :) 09:49
buggable New CPAN upload: Test-HTTP-Server-0.2.1.tar.gz by SCIMON modules.perl6.org/dist/Test::HTTP::...pan:SCIMON 09:51
masak speaking of greek letters, has anyone done anything with the κ calculus? 09:57
it's like lambda calclus but without higher-order functions 09:58
jmerelo masak: that's interesting. Tell me more. 09:59
jmerelo masak: that means it's only currying and things like that? 09:59
jmerelo scimon++ 10:00
masak jmerelo: someone called Hasegawa wrote a paper about it. details are on Wikipedia. basically you can "split" lambda calculus into a kappa calculus and a zeta calculus. the former is (I think) more concerned with pure computation, and the latter more with control flow. 10:02
jmerelo masak: interesting.
jmerelo masak: checking out the wikipedia page, they lost me at e 10:04
masak jmerelo: yeah, it's a quite particular jargon. one gets used to it. 10:05
jmerelo masak: fortunately, the presentation uses sequents instead of hypothetical judgments. Or a language that I can understand, for that matter.
masak: One probably has to go into category theory to understand it, and formal languages, all that. I don't really know what to make of it. 10:06
masak: AFAIK, category theory is not fully implemented in Perl 6, due mainly to the fact that subsets are not really types.
masak I see CT more as a way of reasoning, not as something one necessarily has to implement into a language 10:07
jmerelo masak: OK 10:07
Geth doc: mienaikage++ created pull request #2242:
Fix link to Inline::Ruby
jmerelo masak: but you need the tools in the language to follow the reasoning, right? You need HOF for instance to think about lambda calculus. And a strong type system to think in terms of category theory 10:08
Geth doc: fdd901ef34 | (Daniel Mita)++ | doc/Language/rb-nutshell.pod6
Fix link to Inline::Ruby
 10:11
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/rb-nutshell
doc: c7d08dc4be | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/rb-nutshell.pod6
Merge pull request #2242 from mienaikage/inline-ruby-url

Fix link to Inline::Ruby
masak jmerelo: Perl 6 has very little in terms of a static type system. 10:12
or, at least, Rakudo does.
jmerelo masak: what about 007? 10:13
masak heh.
there's an issue with some ideas for type annotations, but nothing implemented.
I get into discussions with raiph sometimes about whether macro expansion ought to get entwined with typechecking somehow. (my stance is it oughtn't.) 10:14
jmerelo masak: Don't know about kappa, then. I've gone down to the affine types and so on. Does not look like the kind of stuff a "normal" language will be using, but who knows... 10:16
Geth doc: MorayJ++ created pull request #2243:
Fixes missed and doubtful sentence cases on Language docs		 10:26
doc: e364a5d2aa | Moray++ | doc/Language/5to6-nutshell.pod6
Fixes missed and doubtful sentence cases on Language docs

These are sentence cases I was less sure of as wasn't sure whether to consider things like "List Separator" as pronoun. Hopefully digestible enough for someone to consider in this separate commit.
Also a couple that I noticed I missed whilst looking at those.		 10:28
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/5to6-nutshell
doc: 35c5c94c37 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/5to6-nutshell.pod6
Merge pull request #2243 from MorayJ/sentence-case-follow

Fixes missed and doubtful sentence cases on Language docs Thanks!
SmokeMachine m: multi trait_mod:<is>(Attribute $a, :&some-trait!) { $a.package.^add_role: role { method run { say some-trait self } } }; class A { has $.a; has $.b is some-trait(method { $!a })}; A.new(:42a).run 11:30
camelia 42
SmokeMachine any way to do that without using a method on some-trait?
SmokeMachine is there a way to transform a Block into a method? 11:35
SmokeMachine or a way to set `self` inside a Block 11:38
masak ..."set `self`"? 11:39
taking a step back, why are you attempting to set `self`? :)
m: my &m = my method { say self.name }; class C { has $.name }; C.new(:name("Fred")).&m 11:40
camelia Fred
SmokeMachine masak: Im trying to create a trait that can access Attributes of a class from a block... 11:41
thats it... I dont want to use a method...
ilmari why not? 11:42
SmokeMachine it "looks ugly" on a trait...
ilmari if you need to access self, it's a method..
SmokeMachine like this:
m: multi trait_mod:<is>(Attribute $a, :&some-trait!) { $a.package.^add_role: role { method run { say some-trait self } } }; class A { has $.a; has $.b is some-trait(method { $!a })}; A.new(:42a).run
camelia 42
SmokeMachine ilmari: ^^ 11:45
Geth marketing: 31c6f0140d | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 5 files
Fix incorrect number shown on flyer

Fixes github.com/perl6/marketing/issues/17		 12:19
Altreus I have a role that defines a property, and then I would like the consuming class to statically set the value for that property. Is there a shortcut for this or should it happen in BUILD or similar? 12:58
role RESTy { has $!base-url } class Connection does RESTy { $.base-url = "default thingy" } # this, but working 13:00
jnthn role RESTy[$base-url] { has $!base-url = $base-url }; class Connection does RESTy["default"] { } 13:01
Altreus O_o 13:02
how delightful!
Geth marketing: 6a20ae97e4 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | Flyers/All-Your-Cores-Flyer--1524053519/thumbs/All-Your-Cores-Flyer--1524053519.pdf.jpg
Update thumb for All Your Cores flyer
 13:04
Geth marketing: e7a2827221 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 6 files
Add constrast to all cores flyer

Closes github.com/perl6/marketing/issues/20		 14:02
buggable New CPAN upload: MeCab-0.0.7.tar.gz by TITSUKI modules.perl6.org/dist/MeCab:cpan:TITSUKI 14:21
[Coke] xt/examples-compilation.t is segfaulting. 15:45
[Coke] xt/examples-compilation.t doc/Language/operators.pod6 (in the doc repo) 15:52
lichtkind cheers 15:59
jmerelo [Coke]: Always? 16:27
jmerelo [Coke]: Just tested it with 2018.06 16:31
Kaiepi is there a way to create a UInt32 class that supports overflows/underflows without having to rely on NativeCall? 17:10
or subset
timotimo m: my uint32 $a = 2 ** 32 - 1; say $a; $a++; say $a 17:11
camelia 4294967295
0
timotimo look ma, no nativecall 17:12
BBL
Kaiepi thanks 17:13
Kaiepi i'm working on convincing a c programmer that perl 6 can both do accurate math and the type of math that other languages use 17:16
Summertime Would it be possible for perl to somewhat "batch" term definitions and the such? to reduce compile time? 17:35
or would the one-pass compiling prevent that too much? 17:36
timotimo i discussed this with TimToady a while back. it's probably possible to cheat a little 17:54
until then, precompilation is the only thing that'll grant relief, i think
that and making the NFA optimizer smarter/faster
Kaiepi what's the difference between using |args and *@args/**@args as a parameter? 17:56
timotimo |args also captures keyword arguments 17:57
Kaiepi keyword arguments? 17:59
like :foo<bar>?
timotimo yes 18:00
Kaiepi ahh
timotimo m: sub bloop(|thing) { dd thing }; bloop(1, 2, :foo<bar>, 4, 5) 18:01
camelia \(1, 2, 4, 5, :foo("bar"))
jmerelo I have asked this in SO: stackoverflow.com/questions/517325...-the-class 18:06
Basically I want to test for "Windows" code without windows, and I need to set the values of certain class variables, either in Rakudo Internals or in Encoding::Builtin
timotimo mock + dependency injection? :\ 18:07
jmerelo Basically I need is-win to be true, timotimo
timotimo: some code is well-behaved and uses the dynamic variable $*DISTRO; which I can change (through PROCESS). But some other don't, and rely in class variables. So... 18:08
[Coke] . 18:48
xinming What is the right way to pass all args intact? 19:39
Kaiepi what do you mean? 19:40
xinming something like, sub t (Str $a, Int $b) { "$a and $b".say; }; class A { method t (Str $a, Int $b) { t($a, $b) } }; A.new.t; 19:41
m: sub t (Str $a, Int $b) { "$a and $b".say; }; class A { method t (Str $a, Int $b) { t($a, $b) } }; A.new.t;
camelia Too few positionals passed; expected 3 arguments but got 1
in method t at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
xinming m: sub t (Str $a, Int $b) { "$a and $b".say; }; class A { method t (Str $a, Int $b) { t($a, $b) } }; A.new.t("str", 1); 19:41
camelia str and 1 19:41
xinming now, I wish that the method t can receive all "args", and pass to sub t intact. 19:42
xinming so, I don't need to keep sync for the signatures for the method t 19:42
m: sub t (Str $a, Int $b) { "$a and $b".say; }; class A { method t (|) { t(|) } }; A.new.t("str", 1);
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Prefix | requires an argument, but no valid term found
at <tmp>:1
------> 3".say; }; class A { method t (|) { t(|7⏏5) } }; A.new.t("str", 1);
expecting any of:
prefix
xinming m: sub t (Str $a, Int $b) { "$a and $b".say; }; class A { method t (\c) { t(|c) } }; A.new.t("str", 1); 19:43
camelia Too many positionals passed; expected 2 arguments but got 3
in method t at <tmp> line 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
xinming m: sub t (Str $a, Int $b) { "$a and $b".say; }; class A { method t (|c) { t(|c) } }; A.new.t("str", 1);
camelia str and 1
xinming ah
finally got it right
Kaiepi how can i set a fixed size array with NativeCall? 19:54
Kaiepi m: class sockaddr is repr('CStruct') { has int32 $.sa_len; has int32 $.sa_family; has CArray[int8] $.sa_data; }; 19:59
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Type 'CArray' is not declared. Did you mean any of these?
array
Array

at <tmp>:1
------> 3a_len; has int32 $.sa_family; has CArray7⏏5[int8] $.sa_data; };
Malformed has
at <tmp>:1
------> 3t32 $.sa_l…
Kaiepi sorry, trying to type in the wrong window 20:00
timotimo i think we just recently got support for that?
Kaiepi i'll check my email, it should show up there somewhere
timotimo m: use NativeCall; class foo is repr('CStruct') { has int32 $.sa_len; has int8 CArray[16] $.foo };
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
An exception occurred while parameterizing CArray
at <tmp>:1
Exception details:
Parameter 't' of routine 'parameterize' must be a type object of type 'Mu', not an object instance of type 'Int'. …
timotimo not like that, clearly
m: use NativeCall; class foo is repr('CStruct') { has int32 $.sa_len; has CArray[uint8, 16] $.foo };
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
An exception occurred while parameterizing CArray
at <tmp>:1
Exception details:
5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling
Too many positionals passed; expected 3 arguments but got 4
at :
Kaiepi m: use NativeCall; my CArray[int8] $a = CArray[int8].allocate: 0; dd nativesizeof($a) 20:24
camelia 8
Kaiepi this should be 4, not 8 if the c equivalent is int arr[1] = {0} 20:25
*1
timotimo you mean 1 not 8?
Kaiepi no, 1 not 4 20:26
i meant char, not int
lichtkind for what date is denali scheduled for? 20:29
diakopter diwali?
masak lichtkind: denali is not a river in Egypt
diakopter wild.ai 20:30
[Coke] there is not a hard date. 20:31
but probably close to Diwali.
masak boggles
[Coke] (the loop, I may not be in it) 20:32
zoffix++ #
masak I'm mostly amused. it's like Christmas all over again :)
lizmat yeah
timotimo loop { }; timo; 20:33
masak m: loop { }; timo; 20:34
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routine:
timo used at line 1
[Coke] oh. in that case, the time loop, I am stuck in it.
I am so not on the hook for this release, you guys. :)
[Coke] throws confetti in the air.
masak [Coke]: clearly Perl 6.g should be "Groundhog Day" :P 20:35
moritz and after that, 6.g for "Groundhog Day" :D 20:36
masak auugh
timotimo followed by 356 days of the same release over and over again
masak .oO( 6.f -- Festivus ) 20:37
I'm here for all your customized holiday needs 20:38
timotimo Perl 6.Wacken
moritz drove by Wacken last Saturday 20:39
masak so, that's Christmas, Diwali, Easter, Festivus, Groundhog Day, Halloween...
timotimo you could say ... perl6 had a little Nightmare Before Christmas 20:40
masak ...Imbolc... 20:41
AlexDaniel weekly: drawings of camelia: www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/95...a_mistake/
notable6 AlexDaniel, Noted!
timotimo you know, when jonathan skellington and sally wall did that thing 20:42
AlexDaniel
.oO( maybe we should start a trend :) )
masak ...Jumu'atul-Wida...
...Kwanzaa...
AlexDaniel dammit that didn't link to the comment
weekly: I mean this: www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/95...ke/e3rc5o1 20:43
notable6 AlexDaniel, Noted!
lichtkind diakopter yes diwali i meant 20:46
timotimo is diwali the time in camelia's development where she temporarily turns into a diva? 20:49
Zoffix buggable: d 20:58
buggable Zoffix, Diwali is in 91 days, which is 12 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 1 minute, and 56 seconds. Need to review 35 commits per day (250/week) to complete. Need 6 teaser flyers. Still have 7 TODO features costing 110 hours. Still have 0.3 policies to write. Still have ~95% of ChangeLog to do.
Zoffix lichtkind: ^ in 91 days, but there's still a ton of work to do, so it's not a hard date.
lichtkind thanks Zoffix
Zoffix m: sub a($, $) {}; sub b (|args) { a |args }; b rand, rand for ^2000_000; say now - ENTER now 21:01
camelia 2.28153525
Zoffix m: sub a($, $) {}; sub b (\a1, \a2) { a a1, a2 }; b rand, rand for ^2000_000; say now - ENTER now
camelia 0.321998
Zoffix xinming: ^ note that (currently) slurpies come with a perf hit, which is even worse if you're dispatching to a multi with a ton of candidates, so if you can avoid slurpies/captures, avoid them :) 21:02
Kaiepi is there a page with the full list of features added to 6.d somewhere? 21:12
benjikun github.com/perl6/6.d-prep/blob/mas...EATURES.md
yoleaux 05:51Z <tyil> benjikun: are you the Benji from the ML to poke about the user survey?
09:16Z <lizmat> benjikun: you'll be the first next week
benjikun .tell tyil Yeah, I am. :) 21:16
yoleaux benjikun: I'll pass your message to tyil.
benjikun .tell lizmat Thanks
yoleaux benjikun: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
benjikun Kaiepi: just glance around that repository, the specific page I linked doesn't have all of the new features 21:24
Kaiepi thanks 21:27
lichtkind is there a way to add self made quoting q :qudliboob / / attribute ? 21:39
buggable New CPAN upload: PDF-Class-0.2.8.tar.gz by WARRINGD modules.perl6.org/dist/PDF::Class:cpan:WARRINGD 21:41
El_Che_ rain 21:47
I missed it
Kaiepi how do i use SOCK_RAW with IO::Socket::INET? 22:11
i need to use it for Net::ICMP, but looking through src/core/IO/Socket/INET.pm6 it doesn't look like it's used at all 22:15
i might have to write a Native::Socket module before i can get to work on it if there isn't any way to use it 22:16
MasterDuke hm, i thought someone had written one 22:22
huggable: eco native
huggable MasterDuke, nothing found
MasterDuke huggable: eco socket
huggable MasterDuke, nothing found
benjikun Kaiepi: you're going to make Net::ICMP? :3 22:29
woo
Zoffix MasterDuke: wrong bot 22:33
eco: socket
It's buggable, not huggable
buggable Zoffix, Found 7 results: cro, WebSocket, IO::Socket::Async::SSL, Cro::WebSocket, IO::Socket::SSL. See modules.perl6.org/s/socket
Zoffix Kaiepi: there's no list yet. It'll be around probably by end of October 22:34
benjikun: FWIW, that repo is mostly for coredev's housekeeping. It might be best not to link users to it, to avoid confusion. (in the past, someone already saw a TODO item and was teaching users about behaviour that not only did they understand incorrectly, but has now also been postponed for later language versions, with at least one coredev being against the feature entirely) 22:35
lichtkind: no way that I know of that involves standard features. This is the job for macros, which are experimental, or slangs, which are also experimental. 22:36
lichtkind Zoffix, thanks i just guesses there are certains methods to create for that 22:37
benjikun Zoffix: I see 22:40
we should make a list of additions for future references at some point
then again, there's plenty of time before the release, so I guess it's not really necessary yet 22:41
Zoffix benjikun: yeah, that's one of the TODO items. ATM the spec is still being reviewed, so the final list of features is unknown. 22:45
buggable: commits 22:46
buggable Zoffix, Commits are currently set at 2184
Zoffix 2184 commits to review still
benjikun phew
Zoffix That doesn't include features that were implemented without a spec.
benjikun dang
Kaiepi yeah benjikun 22:59
benjikun that's nice
thanks for your contributions :) 23:00

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