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| elcaro | bisectable6: say ((0, 0), (0, 1), (1, 1)).grep(*.any) | 00:37 | |
| bisectable6 | elcaro, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=8a37b93) because on both starting points the exit code is 0 | ||
| elcaro, bisect log: gist.github.com/1a5df27e933c29d8b0...7a3196a390 | |||
| elcaro, (2019-01-29) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/c2...ee4b1ee0fb | |||
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| elcaro | Issue #2975 raised for the above regression | 00:44 | |
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| olongjohnson | I can pull file access / modified times with the IO class. Is there any way to retrieve creation times? | 00:56 | |
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| elcaro | olongjohnson: unix doesn't have a concept of creation time for files | 01:04 | |
| as for windows, I know it does tell you creation time in the file props... thought i'm not sure where that info is stored | |||
| I don't to much development on windows | |||
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| elcaro | correction: some googling has advised me some unix filesystems do keep track of creation time.. so it depends on what FS you use, and again, there's probably no built-in that will "just work" | 01:07 | |
| olongjohnson | That's kind of what I figured. I do work more on NTFS & EXT4 file systems which should have it available somewhere. For instance, you can grab file creation times with Windows' native PowerShell. | 01:09 | |
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| ugexe | use nqp; say nqp::stat("myfile.txt", nqp::const::STAT_CREATETIME) | 01:16 | |
| elcaro | ugexe++ I will add that into File::Stat | 01:18 | |
| ugexe | looks like there are a few from the ops list you can add -- github.com/perl6/nqp/blob/master/d...kdown#stat | 01:20 | |
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| olongjohnson | Much apprciated | 01:23 | |
| elcaro | ugexe: yeah, at the time I made it, I was just satisfying a need for someone who needed access to unix stat values | 01:26 | |
| but I do wanna expand it to also wrap around nqp::lstat, as well as add the other consts | |||
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| holyghost | good morning | 05:00 | |
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| holyghost | hi JJ | 05:18 | |
| jmerelo | holyghost: hi | ||
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| holyghost | jmerelo : I am working on your issues for Game-Stats and Game-Bayes | 05:23 | |
| then they'll be done | |||
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| holyghost | use-ok as starter tests is a great idea | 05:25 | |
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| holyghost | After the packages are done, I will try to read more perl6 books/tutorials | 05:27 | |
| I'm just coding perl6 as C++ for example | 05:28 | ||
| I have the book "Think Perl 6" from O'Reilly | 05:33 | ||
| It'll help me on the way out | |||
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| holyghost | jmerelo : where do I put the version number in a pod6 ? | 05:48 | |
| Anyway, I've put it in the =begin tag | 05:49 | ||
| jmerelo | holyghost: you don't. Please read the documentation about modules | 05:51 | |
| holyghost | ok, I will | 05:55 | |
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| holyghost | jmerelo : metadata ? | 06:00 | |
| jmerelo | holyghost: what do you mean? | 06:02 | |
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| holyghost | jmerelo : for a pod6 including a version number I use =VERSION | 06:03 | |
| jmerelo | holyghost: this advice might seem a bit familiar. Read the documentation. | 06:04 | |
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| holyghost | jmerelo : don't worry my pod6s include metatdata | 06:12 | |
| now | |||
| version, title ,author | 06:13 | ||
| then I added a description | |||
| Geth | doc: dd4f701d67 | (JJ Merelo)++ | 4 files Bumps up version to account for the elimination of TypeGraph |
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| doc: bad990053a | (JJ Merelo)++ | CONTRIBUTING.md Perl6::TypeGraph is already outside the repo And in the ecosystem, tested and documented. Good job @antoniogamiz. Closes #2573 |
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| holyghost | As I said I had to read up :-) | 06:16 | |
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| lizmat | weekly: ajs.github.io/tools/2019/06/11/perl...e-012.html | 06:30 | |
| notable6 | lizmat, Noted! | ||
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| holyghost | Game::Stats reached beta status (github.com/theholyghost2/p6-Game-Stats), I just need to elaborate on the tests and maybe add examples | 07:17 | |
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| jmerelo | holyghost: it compiles. That's something. | 07:23 | |
| holyghost | jmerelo : I use "use-ok" for every module in t/00-load.t | 07:24 | |
| jmerelo | holyghost: you might want to eliminate use before use_ok, though. If use is not ok, you will not be able to use them. | ||
| holyghost | ok | ||
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| holyghost | I've removed it | 07:26 | |
| prove6 --lib works for me | |||
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| jmerelo | holyghost: I'm not saying it does not. Also, you might want to use zef test . for modules. | 07:29 | |
| holyghost | I see | ||
| I installed prove6, it's clearer to me | |||
| anyway, I didn't know that | |||
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| holyghost | Later on JJ, I'm going to work on p6-Bayes-Learn, it needs several things still then if lizmat wants to sh better writes something about Game::Bayes instead of the simplicity in Game::Stats | 07:34 | |
| It needs a small text based game in tests | 07:35 | ||
| e.g. by elevating with a physics engine, I don't know yet | |||
| then running RPG systems in the tests on it, the physics for when enemies collide etc | 07:36 | ||
| It's probably gonna be a huge test system | |||
| Just saying | 07:37 | ||
| s/p6-Bayes-Learn/p6-Game-Bayes | |||
| s/test/test and example/ | 07:38 | ||
| Game::Stats is made for Hidden Markov Models and Game::Bayes e.g. for Age of Empires 3 | 07:40 | ||
| ^-- this is the Good Thing about it | 07:41 | ||
| Life is Good :-) | 07:46 | ||
| jmerelo : if it's finished, is there someone who's going to publish it ro does it just stay on github ? | 07:50 | ||
| s/ro/or | 07:51 | ||
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| jmerelo | holyghost: leave it in GitHub until it's stable and everything has been ironed out. People can still use it from GitHub | 07:57 | |
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| holyghost | ok, thanks for the issues | 07:57 | |
| I'm getting better at perl6 every day | 07:58 | ||
| I'm aiming at Game::Bayes next week | |||
| Game::Stats is a very simple package to understand and you cannot just make statitics tests then calculating just a function from it | 07:59 | ||
| As I said, I might want some more examples | |||
| It was built for speed so the interfaces lack | 08:00 | ||
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| holyghost | s/interfaces/interfaces and somewhat the API/ | 08:01 | |
| speed in games | |||
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| jmerelo | .tell timotimo perl6-gtksimple is failing because the location for the dlls is hardcoded: github.com/perl6/gtk-simple/issues | 10:43 | |
| yoleaux | jmerelo: I'll pass your message to timotimo. | ||
| jmerelo | .tell you seem to be the last one who's worked on that, so you might know how to fix it... | 10:44 | |
| yoleaux | jmerelo: I'll pass your message to you. | ||
| holyghost | JJ ^^ | 10:45 | |
| jmerelo | .tell timotimo you seem to be the last one who's worked on that, so you might know how to fix it... | ||
| yoleaux | jmerelo: I'll pass your message to timotimo. | ||
| jmerelo | :-) | ||
| holyghost | All bots are stupid :-) | ||
| It needs some AI :-) | 10:46 | ||
| jmerelo | holyghost: but obedient. | ||
| holyghost | .tell yoleaux "All bots are stupid but obedient" | 10:47 | |
| yoleaux | holyghost: Thanks for the message. | ||
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| jmerelo | ... and polite | 10:48 | |
| lizmat | .oO( some bots do get the message ) |
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| holyghost | Id was almost infinitely looping :-) | 10:49 | |
| *It | |||
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| holyghost | OTOH I was talking to my AI/Adaptive Systems/DB/Programming profs, it seems I can write a game of tabletop "Risk" with Game::Bayes, I'll try to make it an examples dir for that next week | 10:51 | |
| risk-o-matic in the tests and a non-curses (non-ncurses) GUI which prints the rectangles of neighbouring Risk table regions | 10:52 | ||
| with army size in them | 10:53 | ||
| I'll start on Mars :-) | |||
| I would also like to do an M$ "Age of Empires (3)" game with it using NCurses module, again later on | 10:55 | ||
| NCurses for such as nethack graphics | |||
| Plenty of "@"'s :-) | 10:56 | ||
| Newt wars :-) | |||
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| holyghost | My module pagan can help with the 2D graphics, again later on | 10:58 | |
| s/2D/2D, tile and isometric | |||
| For a tabletop Risk you would choose conditional probabilities starting with ask-attack, ask-defend, ask-move-armies etc | 10:59 | ||
| then use the decisions theory in Game::Bayes | 11:00 | ||
| *decision theory | |||
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| Itaipu | p6: say hello world ;) | 12:16 | |
| evalable6 | (exit code 1) 04===SORRY!04=== Error while compiling /tmp/JljpJoHYwV Unexpected closing bracket at /tmp/JljpJoHYwV:1 ------> 03say hello world ;08⏏04) |
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| Itaipu | oops | ||
| p6: say 'hello world ;)' | 12:17 | ||
| evalable6 | hello world ;) | ||
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| pmurias | what's a good :from<...> to load node.js modules on rakudo.js? | 13:39 | |
| moritz | nodejs? | 13:45 | |
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| patrickb | why not just "js"? | 13:50 | |
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| pmurias | patrickb: maybe people will want other js module loading schemes than calling require | 13:52 | |
| moritz | there's more js than just node | 13:53 | |
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| patrickb | Even when I'm on node? | 13:53 | |
| pmurias | patrickb: rakudo.js is not node only | 13:54 | |
| patrickb | But when I'm in a browser there can't be any node modules, right? | ||
| moritz | pmurias: if you write a use Thing :from<...>; you're in Perl 6, not (necessarily) node | 13:55 | |
| erm, meant patrickb | |||
| pmurias | patrickb: node modules can be used in the browser by a bundler (webpack or parcel) | ||
| patrickb | And those are different from other stuff I might load in a browser... | 13:56 | |
| pmurias | patrickb: what I mean is that it should be possible to bundle your Perl 6 script together with node.js modules and run it in the browser | 13:57 | |
| patrickb: and I suspect there is value for things that aren't valid in the place where you are running stuff in to have a different :from<...> so that they are cleanly detected as impossible | 14:03 | ||
| patrickb | Got it. Thanks for the explanation! | 14:04 | |
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| abraxxa | is all the infrastructure online again? | 14:31 | |
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| moritz | not quite; we're still in the process of establishing shared control of the DNS of perl6.org | 14:36 | |
| which is complicated by the domain owner currently being busy with YAPC preparations | 14:37 | ||
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| nine | In a cro application, where would I catch exceptions like "Cannot write to a closed socket" when a websocket goes away mid-write? | 14:49 | |
| yoleaux | 10 Jun 2019 22:10Z <japhb> nine: Ah, good to know re: python3, thank you. | ||
| holyghost | FYI, I have the whole week now from my profs for working on perl6, so I'll try to get to 30000+ lines a year | 14:54 | |
| abraxxa | moritz: thanks for the info! | 14:57 | |
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| kawaii | nine: might be best asking in the #cro channel, but currently that is a pretty major problem with the architecture, those errors are not passed back up the pipeline so sockets seem to just 'die' silently and your application has no idea. | 15:44 | |
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| holyghost | JJ, I have the whole week time to work on perl6 modules from my profs from now on | 15:54 | |
| I don't have to work in scheme and C++ anymore except for some games I write in cc and python | |||
| discord6 | <Vendethiel> too bad :-) | 15:55 | |
| <Vendethiel> working with racket is always a treat | |||
| holyghost | So I'm going to do 60000+ lines a year in perl6 :-) | ||
| debugged, tested etc | 15:56 | ||
| jmerelo | holyghost: OK, good luck. | ||
| holyghost | Starting from today | 15:57 | |
| thanks | |||
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| Geth | doc: JJ assigned to antoniogamiz Issue Fix duplicated index entries and avoid them in the future by adding a test. github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1912 931fcc1272 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml |
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| holyghost | hi Woodi | 16:02 | |
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| Geth | doc: ade3687918 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml Try and upgrade zef |
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| Geth | doc: e3ed9e62c9 | (JJ Merelo)++ | shippable.yml zef can't upgrade itself |
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| Geth | doc: afe831b462 | (JJ Merelo)++ | META6.json Only reindent, but fixed upstream error closes #2850 fixes perl6/tap-harness6#32 |
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