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tbrowder zostay: thanks for your blog in late august on using Build.pm. it saved me a lot of grief! we definitely need more in docs about it. 02:08
tbrowder .tell jmerelo i'm making progress on Documentable and its default config.json 02:34
zostay zostay: np, glad it was useful to somebody and not just me next time I need it ;) 02:35
tbrowder .tell jmerelo ^^^^
tellable6 tbrowder, I'll pass your message to jmerelo
rvv p6: say 3; 03:35
camelia 3 03:36
Cirno Ohayo 04:44
Cirno Sorry for my bad english. In Lisp, many diverse language constructs are reached through macros at the language level. I would like to know if it was done the same in perl6. 04:46
Itaipu Cirno: I think macro are more for compiled languages, not interpreted ones, where the runtime does more magic :) 04:49
Cirno thx 04:55
One more question. Is it possible to overload standard operators and create your own syntax based on macros?
Cirno say dir; # List files and folders in the current directorysay dir "/Documents"; # List files and folders in the specified directory 05:08
this is example from perl6intro doesn't work in my distro
say dir "Documents"; 05:09
But without slash work precisely 05:10
holyghost I've made some List classes in psp-gcc (the objective-c part), they're on Xliff's server in a moment 05:18
There's no gnustep, Foundation or libobjc's AFAIK in gcc objective-c 05:19
IIRC there's libobjc2 05:20
It's always nice to have some custom list classes for lisp/scheme hackers 05:26
I also made one in plain C, which is enormously fast 05:37
holyghost Later on it needs a dictionary class (e.g. a perl hash) 05:49
Or a map, hashmap in C++ STL 05:56
SmokeMachine m: my @a = 1, 2, 3; my @b = 4, 5, 6; my @c = |@a, |@b; say @c; 06:44
camelia [1 2 3 4 5 6]
SmokeMachine m: my @a = 1, 2, 3; my @b = 4, 5, 6; @a.push: |@b; say @a
camelia [1 2 3 4 5 6]
SmokeMachine m: my @a = 1, 2, 3; my @b = 4, 5, 6; @a.append: |@b; say @a 06:45
camelia [1 2 3 4 5 6]
SmokeMachine m: my @a = 1, 2, 3; my @b = 4, 5, 6; @a.append: @b; say @a
camelia [1 2 3 4 5 6]
rba daxim: perl6.org/compilers/features is back 06:46
daxim thanks!
holyghost SmokeMachine : coolness 06:49
timotimo rba: the features page has Panda instead of Zef at the bottom 10:11
rba timotimo: Replaced the footer for the features page with the one from perl6.org 11:41
pmurias why does $obj.foo($positiona) :named_argument work? 12:41
jnthn adverbs 12:43
They parse as infixes then are shoved onto...whatever is close to hand and doesn't run away quick enough
So presumably the method call in this case :) 12:44
It's the same thing going on with @foo[$x]:delete or so
moritz by now I wish we'd made that @foo[$x :delete] instead 13:51
timotimo m: my @foo = 1, 2, 3; @foo[1, :delete]; say @foo 13:55
camelia No such method 'Int' for invocant of type 'Pair'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo mhm mhm
masak moritz: I'm not at all convinced I like that better 14:09
moritz maybe it should've been simply @a.delete($idx) 14:10
masak moritz: from a macro perspective, I think Perl 5's `delete @path.to<thing>` is quite nice and clear
(modulo p5's sigil variance, which is not nice and clear) 14:11
Altreus :\ i accidentally /quit instead of /disco 14:17
now I lost all my channels
masak Altreus: I'm throwing rocks in my glass house here, but you should have a mechanism or something for persisting your channels, man. 14:18
Altreus I do 14:19
masak well, use it! 14:19
Altreus It's in .weechat/irc.conf
It doesn't sort of update itself
:(
so I have to remember that I want a channel permanently
masak there's something a little autopunny about all this
masak "this mechanism will help you remember your channels! if you remember to add them." (d'oh!) 14:20
timotimo don't forget to /save
masak argh
timotimo i think there's something that saves the actual window layout, too
Altreus that saves the config but only the things you've /set
it doesn't add your current channels as the reload-this-when-you-screw-up list 14:21
timotimo check /layout
weechat.look.save_layout_on_exit 14:22
lizmat moritz: it *is* that, just named differently: @a.DELETE-POS($idx) 14:56
Altreus type: integer 15:09
values: none, buffers, windows, all
erm
holyghost lizmat++ 15:14
I needed that
holyghost If you find psp-gcc, you might want to port perl6 to the R9000 processor playstation portable (psp) 16:08
holyghost I've put thee tarballs on Xliff's server in the sony directory 16:08
Elronnd wants to port perl6 to ios 16:12
batmanaod[m] Hi! When I last looked into Perl 6, Rakudo didn't yet completely implement the "Christmas" spec; but now, the Perl 6 and Rakudo home pages don't seem to highlight any missing features, so is it safe to assume that Rakudo is generally considered complete and up-to-date, and that anything described in the Perl 6 docs should be expected to work in Rakudo? 16:37
El_Che batmanaod[m]: I would say, expect things to work except if documented otherwise 16:38
timotimo i'd say that's accurate
Altreus well 16:39
I missed the word "except"
and I thought we were being facetious 16:40
timotimo you mean expect?
Altreus no
timotimo or in el_che's text?
Altreus :D
yeah
timotimo ah
Altreus expect things to work if documented otherwise
documentation 101
timotimo that sounds like a fun project to build
a perl6 version that does as much as possible different from what is documented
Altreus $ perl6 16:41
>>>
it's a python prompt
holyghost lol, I'd thought that was a scheme48 prompt :-) 16:43
holyghost Hi JJ 16:46
El_Che Perl 6: expect the unexpected 16:50
jmerelo Hi 17:52
tellable6 2019-09-14T14:14:01Z #perl6 <tbrowder> jmerelo i've been afk for a while. i am available most of today.
2019-09-19T02:35:18Z #perl6 <tbrowder> jmerelo ^^^^
jmerelo What's happened now?
I just came back from a conference 17:53
Also, classes have started
tbrowder jmerelo: hi 18:02
jmerelo Hi, Tom
Just talked to antoniogamiz, he's started classes and also moved to a new apartment... without internet. 18:03
I haven't had a lot of time to check your PRs and issues in documentable either, just came back from Vienna, and busy with the beginning of classes here
tbrowder i’m having success with an upcoming PR to improve Documentable (but consider a bit betaish, will need to discuss some things). 18:04
jmerelo It will get better in a week or two, I expect.
jmerelo tbrowder: that's great! 18:04
Demos[m] so I asked a while ago if I could write new representations in perl6 ... and the answer is no. I was wondering if I can do it if I'm willing to depend on moar internals 18:18
but still in perl6 instead of nqp
and if I need to write it in nqp can it live anywhere or does it require explicit registration in moarvm
* so I asked a while ago if I could write new representations in perl6 ... and the answer is no. I was wondering if I can do it if I'm willing to depend on moar internals
but still in perl6 instead of nqp
and if I need to write it in nqp can it live anywhere or does it require explicit registration in rakudo
timotimo representations are written in C, not in nqp
moar allows new representations to be registered, and the extension library feature still exists, even though we want to get rid of it 18:19
Demos[m] are those different features? 18:20
also I take it src/6model/reps is where to look
timotimo yeah, those are the existing reprs
i think src/6model/reprs.h has the function that allows a new repr to be registered 18:21
Demos[m] right, so is that function the "extension library" feature?
timotimo no, that is used by passing a commandline argument to "moar" 18:24
can't find it right now 18:25
timotimo --vmlibs=dynext/libperl6_ops_moar.so=Rakudo_ops_init 18:27
it's supposed to look somewhat like this 18:28
Elronnd does moar work on ARM? 20:08
timotimo yes 20:09
AlexDaniel Elronnd: yeah, but without JIT iirc
timotimo you'll just not have jit
Elronnd cool
timotimo but you will have spesh
AlexDaniel it's definitely usable just not blazing fast
Elronnd what's the speed like without jit?
timotimo which is a part of what other VMs would call jit
Elronnd what's spesh?
timotimo dynamic specializer
Elronnd ahh
timotimo compare running your program vs MVM_JIT_DISABLE=1 in the env
Elronnd that's like, if I have &sub($x), generating a specialized version of &sub that takes just Ints if I call it with Ints a lot? 20:10
timotimo yeah 20:10
and potentially inlining &sub into the frame that calls &sub
rba lizmat: hackaday.com/2019/09/18/whats-in-a...-the-gimp/ from reddit 20:15
weekly: hackaday.com/2019/09/18/whats-in-a...-the-gimp/ from reddit 20:16
notable6 rba, Noted! (weekly)
SmokeMachine Elronnd: please do it! Please port perl6 to iOS! 20:37
Elronnd SmokeMachine: lol, working on it 20:42
ios development is a bloody *mess*
you have to sign stuff
SmokeMachine After you do that, please create an app like the pythonista but for perl6, please! 20:44
Elronnd idk if I can do that 20:45
I don't have a mac
SmokeMachine :( 20:46
Elronnd: if you port it to iOS, I’ll create the app then! 20:47
Geth_ doc: 3fb1211c86 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/io.pod6
add missing file remove routine "unlink"
 21:47
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/io
Elronnd SmokeMachine: deal 21:49
Geth_ doc: e88d5ac660 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/io.pod6
add caveats for unlinking
 21:52
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/io
Geth_ doc: 8fe97a469d | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/modules.pod6
add a reference to Build.pm6 for zef installation
 22:31
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/modules
Geth_ doc: dd2321d4d9 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/modules.pod6
add a more specific reference
 22:49
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/modules

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