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rindolf5 Meow all 04:43
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rindolf5 Hi all 05:20
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HannoWOB Just started using perl6 and IRC... is there any "native" perl6 forum available in place of stackoverflow? Thanks a lot! 06:55
rindolf5 HannoWOB: hi 07:07
HannoWOB: welcome aboard
HannoWOB hi! found a German forum. seems to be nice
rindolf5 HannoWOB: there is a mailing list 07:08
HannoWOB thanks! 07:09
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rindolf5 HannoWOB: yw 07:13
HannoWOB:wherre d o you live?
HannoWOB Germany, lower-saxony 07:14
rindolf5 HannoWOB: i suggest against localised forums, they tend to be divide and conquer or bubble-like
HannoWOB: so the north 07:15
HannoWOB and have very less user amounts... but that's a perl problem;-)
But, I like the power, perl 6 brings to programming absolutely! 07:16
ok... perlmonks 07:18
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rindolf5 HannoWOB: ah 08:21
HannoWOB: i live in tel aviv, israel
HannoWOB: www.shlomifish.org - my site, but it'll remain in some disarray until i return home 08:22
HannoWOB Must be nice place to live; have never been there.
rindolf5 HannoWOB: yes quite 08:23
HannoWOB I Live in ramat aviv gimmel which is kinda out of the way
HannoWOB: it doesnt have many ppl in the streets and is 08:24
HannoWOB ppl? 08:25
nice! at the sea coast! 08:26
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rindolf5 HannoWOB: i recently took a walk on the sea promenade in tel aviv. lots of very attractive girls there 08:43
HannoWOB as one can assume at the beach;-) 08:44
rindolf5 HannoWOB: heh, yeah 08:45
HannoWOB: what is your work about?
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rindolf5 HannoWOB: i'm currently at a psychiatric ward getting "therapy"". actually i am the one who encourages everyone to be better 08:47
HannoWOB: i am a great hacker and entertained the thought of being the "greatest hacker/man in history"" from 2000 to 2013 so i cannot be broken so easily 08:49
HannoWOB: see www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/ - these are some of my alter-egos
i will add en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Swift when i get home 08:50
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HannoWOB Good luck for Your future and Your health! Jjust reading perl 6 docs... powerful language but the parts "don't do this" will be interesting! Do You know 8th (from Israel)? 08:51
rindolf5 HannoWOB: 8th? 08:59
HannoWOB 8th programming; forth successor
rindolf5 HannoWOB: oh no
HannoWOB: github.com/cool-RR/pysnooper - thishad excellent marketing 09:01
HannoWOB: i found it an unfit replacement but I appreciate the awesom emarketing work
HannoWOB: i met cool-RR at israeli foss meetups several times - he is a cool guy 09:02
HannoWOB ' have to leave office 09:15
quit: bye
Quit: bye
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rindolf5 www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5HexLIqWY8 - magnificent - much better than the original imho (and mostly sfw) 09:16
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kawaii `<bsstimestamp>420482152803</bsstimestamp>` anyone have any idea what this timestamp is? 10:45
like, it's clearly not unix epoch
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SmokeMachine kawaii: something like this? discussions.citrix.com/topic/35282...n-windows/ 10:51
(I have no idea...)
kawaii SmokeMachine: looks like it's probably milliseconds! 10:52
WHY
is there an easy way to convert that to a regular epoch? 10:53
lizmat m: say Instant.from-posix(420482152.803).DateTime
camelia 1983-04-29T16:35:52.803000Z
kawaii hmmm, date seems off 10:54
lizmat what are you expecting?
kawaii should be from last month
SmokeMachine maybe summing 1970? 10:55
lizmat m: say DateTime.now.earlier(:1month).posix # that would be a value about this range 10:56
camelia 1568199383
kawaii strange
could just be bad data I've been given
yes let's blame the data :)
lizmat if that data somehow travelled between systems, perhaps it got mixed up in byte order ? 10:58
kawaii yeah we'll go with that 11:00
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lizmat m: say Buf.write-int32(0,420482152803,BigEndian).read-int32(0) # gets it much closer 11:05
camelia 1668919526
lizmat m: say Instant.from-posix(1668919526).DateTime # but still in the future
camelia 2022-11-20T04:45:26Z
SmokeMachine I mean maybe a different starting point... 11:06
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lizmat m: say 420482152803 - (70 * 365 * 86400) # from 1900 11:07
camelia 418274632803
lizmat m: say 420482152803 - (1970 * 365 * 86400) # from 0 11:08
camelia 358356232803
Kaiepi i'd hope the byte order doesn't get mixed up because of any networking code
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SmokeMachine m: say Instant.from-posix((420482152803 + (30 * 365 * 86400))/1000).DateTime 11:51
camelia 1983-05-10T15:23:52.803000Z
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SmokeMachine 12:51 <SmokeMachine> m: say Instant.from-posix((420482152803 + (30 * 365 * 86400)*1000)/1000).DateTime 11:51
m: say Instant.from-posix((420482152803 + (30 * 365 * 86400)*1000)/1000).DateTime 11:52
camelia 2013-04-21T16:35:52.803000Z
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SmokeMachine m: say Instant.from-posix((420482152803 + now*1000)/1000).DateTime 11:53
camelia 2033-02-06T04:30:26.107019Z
SmokeMachine m: say Instant.from-posix((420482152803 - now*1000)/1000).DateTime 11:54
camelia 1933-07-20T04:41:00.573192Z
kawaii www.irccloud.com/pastebin/GzgPosCQ/ 11:55
So, this code is ugly and I hate it :)
the column names in the database are _identical_ to the hash keys
is there a prettier way of doing this? :P
moritz my @attrs = <client client-data ...>; 11:56
$query.execute(|%client-data{@attrs}) 11:57
kawaii really? :O
moritz and of course you can generate the ($1, $2, ...) list
kawaii something like `($1..$16)` would do 11:58
moritz join ', ', map { '$' . $_ } (1..@attrs.elems)
kawaii 🤔
moritz++
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SmokeMachine kawaii: use Red; model ClientData { has Str $.client is column; has Str $.manufacturer is column; ...}; ClientData.^create: |%client-data 12:04
kawaii I still need to learn more about Red :( 12:05
it looks so much nicer than DB:Pg
SmokeMachine kawaii: it uses that...
kawaii: if you were using Red, your whole `insert-record` would be just a `.^create`... 12:07
kawaii: like this: github.com/FCO/Red/blob/master/exa...ex.p6#L19\ 12:09
(without the \)
kawaii promises my next project will use Red 12:10
SmokeMachine kawaii: please, just if it makes sense... :) 12:11
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rindolf6 hi alll, sup? 12:12
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Geth_ doc/new-write-int-semantics: 9c26525021 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Type/Buf.pod6
Document the new semantics of Buf.write-int* methods

These are now available in HEAD, and will be available with the 2019.10 Rakudo compiler release.		 12:21
doc: lizmat++ created pull request #3052:
Document the new semantics of Buf.write-int* methods		 12:23
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rindolf3 good news, everypony! 12:26
Doc_Holliwood m: grammar G { token TOP { .*? } }; say G.parse("something");
camelia Nil
Doc_Holliwood why doesn't this match anything?
moritz Doc_Holliwood: because tokens don't backtrack 12:27
and TOP tries to match a as little as possible, so it matches the empty string successfully 12:28
but for the grammar to match, it needs to match the whole string
but the cursor only advanced 0 characters, so the match fails
m: grammar G { token TOP { .*? } }; say grammar.subparse('something')
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Whitespace required after keyword 'grammar'
at <tmp>:1
------> 3mar G { token TOP { .*? } }; say grammar7⏏5.subparse('something')
moritz m: grammar G { token TOP { .*? } }; say G.subparse('something') 12:29
camelia ｢｣
moritz with subparse, it doesn't need to match the whole string, so it successfully matches the empty string
Doc_Holliwood m: grammar G { token TOP { <foo> }; token foo { omethin } }; say G.parse("something"); 12:37
camelia Nil
Doc_Holliwood m: grammar G { token TOP { <foo> }; token foo { omethin } }; say G.subparse("something");
camelia #<failed match>
Doc_Holliwood *scratches head*
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Doc_Holliwood what am i not getting? 12:38
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rindolf3 Doc_Holliwood: where? 12:40
SmokeMachine m: grammar G { token TOP { . <foo> }; token foo { omethin } }; say G.parse("something");
camelia Nil
lizmat m: grammar G { token TOP { <foo> }; token foo { somethin } }; say G.subparse("something") 12:41
camelia ｢somethin｣
foo => ｢somethin｣
SmokeMachine m: grammar G { token TOP { . <foo> . }; token foo { omethin } }; say G.parse("something");
camelia ｢something｣
foo => ｢omethin｣
SmokeMachine m: grammar G { token TOP { . <foo> }; token foo { omethin } }; say G.subparse("something");
camelia ｢somethin｣
foo => ｢omethin｣
lizmat m: grammar G { token TOP { .*? <foo> }; token foo { omethin } }; say G.subparse("something") 12:42
camelia ｢somethin｣
foo => ｢omethin｣
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Doc_Holliwood maybe i should stop xy-ing 12:44
there, pastebin.com/yBvmg1rZ 12:46
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Doc_Holliwood it returns a match 12:47
but the match is empty, no entries for list or the start-txt or end-txt
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SmokeMachine Doc_Holliwood: www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fZFeldo1/ 13:49
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antoniogamiz o/ 15:10
how can i compare paths without worrying about the OS?
I'm having some problems with tests not passing because of this 15:11
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rindolf3 hi all 15:11
antoniogamiz hi
rindolf3 antoniogamiz: que tal? 15:12
antoniogamiz rindolf3: bastante bien :D, resolviendo algunas issues! y tu?
rindolf3 antoniogamiz: english please 15:14
antoniogamiz rindolf3: sorry, you started in spanish so...
rindolf3 antoniogamiz: I'm infatuated with taylor swift due to github.com/shlomif/my-real-person-fan-fiction 15:15
antoniogamiz: she became a new hacker monarch without me noticing it for a long time. 15:16
antoniogamiz mm 15:17
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rindolf3 antoniogamiz: I also saw this princess bride parody which reminds me too much of my technion years- www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVvMl1Ig9cY 15:21
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rindolf3 antoniogamiz: how are you? 15:28
Geth_ doc: 9c26525021 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Type/Buf.pod6
Document the new semantics of Buf.write-int* methods

These are now available in HEAD, and will be available with the 2019.10 Rakudo compiler release.		 15:35
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Buf
doc: 3b41582e7f | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Buf.pod6
Merge pull request #3052 from perl6/new-write-int-semantics

Document the new semantics of Buf.write-int* methods
Doc_Holliwood how do i get every nth element of a list? 15:37
i have
antoniogamiz with [] ?
Doc_Holliwood m: "[10,20,30,40,50].kv.grep( -> $i, $v { $i %% 2}).map({ .[1]}).say" 15:38
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$i' is not declared
at <tmp>:1
------> 3"[10,20,30,40,50].kv.grep( -> 7⏏5$i, $v { $i %% 2}).map({ .[1]}).say"
Doc_Holliwood m: [10,20,30,40,50].kv.grep( -> $i, $v { $i %% 2}).map({ .[1]}).say
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Doc_Holliwood that seems too clumsy 15:39
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antoniogamiz mm can someone explain to me why this happens? 15:49
ci.appveyor.com/project/JJ/pod-to-...s/28048566
why this double "\\" appears? 15:50
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antoniogamiz for some reason it's escaping "/" 15:53
sena_kun antoniogamiz, you are assuming that on windows paths are `foo/bar`, while on Windows they are `foo\bar` 15:55
timotimo \\ inside "" is just a \
sena_kun antoniogamiz, you need to compare IO::Path objects instead of strings 15:56
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antoniogamiz mmm so how can i make tests to work both on windows and unix? 15:56
thundergnat Doc_Holliwood: rotor?
sena_kun m: IO::Path.new('hehe\fufu') ~~ IO::Path.new('hehe\fufu')
camelia ( no output )
sena_kun m: say IO::Path.new('hehe\fufu') ~~ IO::Path.new('hehe\fufu') 15:57
camelia True
thundergnat m: my @a = ^20; say @a.rotor( 1 => $_-1 ) for 2,3,5;
camelia ((0) (2) (4) (6) (8) (10) (12) (14) (16) (18))
((0) (3) (6) (9) (12) (15) (18))
((0) (5) (10) (15))
sena_kun antoniogamiz, ^^
antoniogamiz mmmm i wil try that!
IO::Path.new is the same than "aa".IO?
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sena_kun m: 'hehe\fufu'.IO ~~ 'hehe\fufu'.IO 15:58
camelia ( no output )
sena_kun m: say 'hehe\fufu'.IO ~~ 'hehe\fufu'.IO
camelia True
antoniogamiz so yep
Doc_Holliwood thundergnat: how? 16:00
tellable6 Doc_Holliwood, I'll pass your message to thundergnat
Doc_Holliwood m: [10,20,30,40,50].batch(2).map({ .first }).say
camelia (10 30 50)
Doc_Holliwood that's better
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thundergnat m: my @a = ^20; say @a.rotor( 1 => $_-1 ) for 2,3,5; # <- Doc_Holliwood 16:02
camelia ((0) (2) (4) (6) (8) (10) (12) (14) (16) (18))
((0) (3) (6) (9) (12) (15) (18))
((0) (5) (10) (15))
tellable6 2019-10-11T16:00:14Z #perl6 <Doc_Holliwood> thundergnat: how?
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antoniogamiz sena_kun: mmm I have used .IO everywhere but it's still happening ci.appveyor.com/project/JJ/pod-to-...s/28048949 16:05
Doc_Holliwood so, rotor( 1 => 0 ) is a noop?
antoniogamiz (this is where I'm working if you want to see the code github.com/perl6/Pod-To-Cached/pull/12)
Doc_Holliwood m: [10,20,30,40,50].rotor( 1 => 1 ).say
camelia ((10) (30) (50)) 16:06
Doc_Holliwood ah, i see 16:07
antoniogamiz it looks like that when i read the filenames, it only escapes the last "\" 16:09
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sena_kun antoniogamiz, how do you get lines in cache? 16:11
it seems that it is confused because there are mixed `/` and `\` in path strings
antoniogamiz, do you add e.g. a prefix somewhere or something like this? 16:12
antoniogamiz, github.com/perl6/Pod-To-Cached/pul...2d7a0f3R17 <- this looks super suspicious
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antoniogamiz github.com/perl6/Pod-To-Cached/blo...d.pm6#L200 16:12
that's the function that reads the filenames 16:13
sena_kun: that's a failed try to fix it x'd
sena_kun antoniogamiz, I think you want your constants REP/DOC/IGNORE_FILE to be .IO, and when you are creating a new thing, do not do IO::Path.new(~), do DOC.child('file.name.foo');
antoniogamiz you can see my several tries in my commits "Fix paths in windows... maybe,,,"
ooohhhhhh 16:14
let's see if that works :D 16:17
mmm still failing => github.com/perl6/Pod-To-Cached/pul...f9ab74aad2 16:18
SmokeMachine \o/ 16:20
El_Che Larry has given his tought about the rename: github.com/perl6/problem-solving/p...-300789072 16:21
SmokeMachine is that oficial now?!
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El_Che SmokeMachine: no yet. But Larry's voice has a lot of weight, of course 16:24
antoniogamiz the evaluable bot runs on windows? 16:29
timotimo the *ables have prebuilt rakudos for linux, so it'd have to do compilation itself for that purpose
antoniogamiz mmm 16:30
then i will have to download a virtual machine i suppose x'd
El_Che antoniogamiz: there is rakudo star on windows 16:31
antoniogamiz El_Che: I know but I do not use windows 16:32
El_Che antoniogamiz: you can run containers in Windows, also an option
ah, the other way around
antoniogamiz I simply want to fix this: github.com/perl6/Pod-To-Cached/pull/12 16:33
I cannot guess why that "\\" is appearing
I have added .IO as sena_kun told me, but it does not work :/
MasterDuke m: say [10,20,30,40,50][0,2...*]
camelia (10 30 50)
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antoniogamiz If i run this in windows: DOC.IO.add('test1.pod6') (DOC is "a/b/c" 16:36
that should create a file called test1.pod6 inside c (which is inside b (which is inside a))
right?
sena_kun antoniogamiz, let me play with it... 16:38
antoniogamiz, ah, the tests are running now 16:39
antoniogamiz ?
mmm I think not
github.com/perl6/Pod-To-Cached/pull/12
ah running yes sorry 16:40
they have failed again... what a surprise
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sena_kun antoniogamiz, ok, I am forking... 16:41
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sena_kun antoniogamiz, why do you removed .IO on path strings and .map(*.IO) calls? 16:46
ugh
*why did you remove
they are essential
Doc_Holliwood ok, now this is seriously weird
antoniogamiz because they were failing too
i will add them again 16:47
Doc_Holliwood i have a grammar which sometimes works and sometimes doesnt, on the same input
as in i call the script 5 times and it works once.
sena_kun antoniogamiz, well, not always you can make things work in a single set of changes, but you can drift away from something that is more broken to less broken
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antoniogamiz i have readded the .IO, let's see :D 16:51
and yep, the "\\" still appears agh 16:52
sena_kun let's see...
antoniogamiz, github.com/perl6/Pod-To-Cached/pul...f1329bR198 <- this is wrong 16:54
it assumes `/` is the separator, while `add` method should be used to be OS-independant 16:55
antoniogamiz ("$!path/"~INDEX).IO.spurt: to-json(%h); ??? 16:56
in the rest of the code I do not see where I'm assuming that
sena_kun hmm, did my link not highlighted that... 16:57
ah, it isn't, sorry
antoniogamiz, yes, the line you pasted
antoniogamiz mmm but that line should not affect those tests mm 16:58
I would be assuming "/" as delimiter here too, right? => constant DOC = 't/tmp/doc-ignore';???
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sena_kun antoniogamiz, if you are making IO::Path object out of it, it is fine 16:59
antoniogamiz mmm, then this should that line should be fine too because it uses .IO
sena_kun antoniogamiz, well, imagine that $!path value is `foo\bar` and then you add `/baz` there, so it is `foo\bar/baz` now. then you call .IO on it and it is confused, it does not see it as `foo\bar\baz` 17:02
and even if the tests are not affected by it, this code won't work nicely on windows regardless of it 17:03
antoniogamiz mmm ok, I haved chagned, thanks for the suggestion :,)
though it still fails............. i wanna cry 17:04
sena_kun hmm, I wonder 17:05
sena_kun starts windows vm 17:06
antoniogamiz :,) 17:07
MasterDuke Doc_Holliwood: can you post the code and input somewhere? 17:16
Doc_Holliwood nah, i trace it down. i was using .values where i should have used .list 17:17
antoniogamiz sena_kun: thanks a lot for your time, if you find the problem pls tell me or comment in the PR pls :D
I will dream with "\" tonight haha 17:18
bye o/
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sena_kun o/ 17:18
Doc_Holliwood ok. this one drives me nuts. I made some progress with my grammar. see pastebin.com/Sp40qQrn 17:33
alas, this doesnt work. it does when i replace the "expanse" in the top rule with "list" or "range", but i cannot combine them 17:34
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discord6 <Vendethiel> So, Tim approved the Raku PR, yay 17:48
lucasb :-| 17:54
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MasterDuke Doc_Holliwood: probably not related, but a bunch of your tokens already exist (e.g., alpha, alphanum, etc) 18:15
Doc_Holliwood no, these contain the underscore
whoever though that would be a good idea 18:16
MasterDuke i.e., are built in to rakudo
Doc_Holliwood: well, you could just subtract that from the pre-existing ones in your own
it probably doesn't really matter, but people often run into trouble be accidentally creating rules/tokens with the same names as built-ins and that can cause problems 18:17
Doc_Holliwood it makes no difference 18:19
just checked
but i'll keep that in mind, tx
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Doc_Holliwood "No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse." 18:26
Doc_Holliwood smiles
lizmat weekly: github.com/perl6/problem-solving/p...-300789072 18:27
notable6 lizmat, Noted! (weekly)
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Geth_ problem-solving/ugexe-patch-1: 3fb9e4993f | (Nick Logan)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md
Remove ugexe from reviewers
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problem-solving: ugexe++ created pull request #114:
Remove ugexe from reviewers
problem-solving: 3fb9e4993f | (Nick Logan)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md
Remove ugexe from reviewers
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problem-solving: a6e246bdc1 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | README.md
Merge pull request #114 from perl6/ugexe-patch-1

Remove ugexe from reviewers
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lizmat weekly: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21227430 #1 on HackerNew 20:16
notable6 lizmat, Noted! (weekly)
lizmat s
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Juerd That's a very nice endorsement 20:25
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El_Che lots about erlang and elixir 21:44
:)
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cpan-p6 New module released to CPAN! LibXML (0.1.2) by 03WARRINGD 21:54
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Geth_ ecosystem: 24a2d5a4d7 | thundergnat++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list
Add Smooth::Numbers to the ecosystem

Easily generate ordered smooth numbers. See github.com/thundergnat/Smooth-Numbers		 22:35
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Grinnz more name easter eggs news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21229114 22:41
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