»ö« Welcome to Perl 6! | perl6.org/ | evalbot usage: 'p6: say 3;' or rakudo:, or /msg camelia p6: ... | irclog: irc.perl6.org or colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_logs/perl6 | UTF-8 is our friend!
Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
00:01 TreyHarr1 joined
zwu Just read that "operators are lexically scoped by default", so if a module defined operators, must it be exported and imported lexically in order to to them? 00:01
ZoffixLappy Yes 00:03
They're just subs.
Also, not sure what "by default means"... is there a way to overide the default?
zwu If I use a dynamic loading "require ..." how can I import them too? 00:04
or is there a way to use as a call $MyModule::my_subs() for operators defined in a module? 00:05
ugexe there is just so much wrong with this
ZoffixLappy m: class Foo { sub infix:<+> is export { $^a - $^b } }; import Foo; say 2+2;
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«0␤»
ugexe `my $body ... sub test_response(..., $body)`
also a my @body 00:06
ZoffixLappy insteresting. Bailador's debug output gives me "{Content-Type => whatever, X-Foo => meow}", but looking at headers I'm getting text/html content-type even though I'm getting the X-Foo header :/ 00:07
ugexe the comments for encode-psgi-response say body can be an array, str, or buf, but 10ish lines down it has $body ~~ Supply
zwu ZoffixLappy: should sub being multi in "... sub infix:<+> is export ...?"
00:08 spider-mario left
ZoffixLappy zwu, depends on what you want. In the above, I completely shadowed built-in + operator. I couldn't use a multi in this case because a multi for a + between two Ints is already defined, so it'd be ambiguous. But if you were defining a + for some custom objects, then yeah, you'd use a multi 00:09
zwu, if this is of any help (use left/right arrows to navigate slides): tpm2016.zoffix.com/#/14 00:10
zwu ZoffixLappy: great, thanks alot!
00:12 Herby_ left
ugexe failure to set Content-Type would seem to be related to Bailador::App.render() 00:14
i suspect in the first multi that the else conditional is reached, which calls the 2nd multi without passing the $type (which then defaults to text/html) 00:15
ZoffixLappy ugexe++ 00:19
That is exactly it.
00:22 pierre_ joined 00:25 wamba left 00:46 BenGoldberg joined 00:47 sufrostico left
ZoffixLappy .tell ufobat sent you a PR to fix Bailador's content_type() being broken: github.com/ufobat/Bailador/pull/66 00:52
yoleaux ZoffixLappy: I'll pass your message to ufobat.
dalek osystem: 0a12cf0 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | META.list:
Add Bailador::Plugin::Static

Automatically serve static files in your Bailador apps		 00:57
ZoffixLappy github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-Bailad...gin-Static
01:00 zwu left 01:06 al2o3-cr left 01:12 molaf left 01:25 molaf joined 01:40 pierre_ left, pierre_ joined 01:52 sortiz joined
sortiz \o #perl6 01:52
ZoffixLappy "method 'trans' not found for invocant of class 'Any' in sub uri-unescape at sources/92D0C475746E4D3627F2FFB218718FDAA2724E51 (URI::Escape) line 30" 01:55
*sigh* will this day ever end
o/ sortiz
sortiz ZoffixLappy, technically the day is over in half of the world, may be you are in the wrong half ;-) 01:56
ZoffixLappy :) 01:57
It's just I've spent the last 13 hours fixing and writing software to get closer to starting the original goal I started to achieve this morning. I keep getting stymied by unimplemented and broken stuff 01:58
02:01 pierre_ left
ZoffixLappy Luckily, the last one seems to be my fault :) 02:03
Best mistakes are ones in your own software, because they're the fastest to fix \o/
02:04 nbrown joined 02:07 bitmap joined 02:13 ugexe joined
grondilu :q 02:20
02:20 grondilu left 02:22 noganex_ joined
ZoffixLappy This is annoying :/ For some reason regular POST request to Bailador app works just fine, but jQuery POST fails (never gets a response) even though doing that same jQ post to httpbin.org/post works fine :( 02:24
Programming is hard :/
sortiz What kind of content-type uses the body of these requests? 02:25
02:25 noganex left
ZoffixLappy text/html.. I guess 02:26
sortiz A POST body almost never is text/html 02:27
ZoffixLappy Ohh. I may know what's up... I need CORS 02:28
sortiz If your client is using more than one origin, yes. 02:31
02:34 rba_ joined
ZoffixLappy No love... This is my code: github.com/zoffixznet/js-glot-io I start app.p6 with perl6 app.p6, so it's listening on :3000. Then I just pop open the HTML file with firefox index.html and when I click the "Run" button, LiveHTTPHeaders plugin tells me I get response 200 and Content-Type: text/html but nothing else at all :/ 02:34
Even though if I disable JS and do the same step, i get a response :/
battery dying... ENOPOWERSOCKETINSIGHT 02:36
sortiz About Bailador, I'm worst than John Snow ;-) 02:37
02:38 Ben_Goldberg joined, BenGoldberg left, Ben_Goldberg is now known as BenGoldberg, colomon left
ZoffixLappy found one lol 02:38
Shitty table tho :/ 02:40
I wonder if my issue is because I'm running my page with firefox index.html instead of it being properly served :/
And SURE IT WAS!!! GRRR.... If I serve my index.html with Bailador the stuff works ~_~ 02:44
Another 100 hours wasted on nonsense and I may end up with a working web app :P \o/ 02:45
02:46 colomon joined 02:48 nbrown left
BenGoldberg Browsers sometimes treat file:// stuff quite strangely... 02:51
02:55 BenGoldberg left 02:56 BenGoldberg joined 03:01 pierre_ joined 03:03 yqt left 03:04 ZoffixLappy left 03:07 pierre_ left 03:08 colomon left 03:10 colomon joined 03:14 colomon left 03:17 kid51 left 03:21 colomon joined 03:48 BenGoldberg left 03:56 maybekoo2 left 04:07 Cabanossi left 04:09 khw left, Cabanossi joined 04:52 skids left 04:56 ufobat joined
ufobat good morning :) 05:09
yoleaux 00:52Z <ZoffixLappy> ufobat: sent you a PR to fix Bailador's content_type() being broken: github.com/ufobat/Bailador/pull/66
ufobat ZoffixWin, its merged :-)
05:25 hotel_california joined 05:26 hotel left 05:38 hotel_california left 05:39 hotel joined 05:46 pierre_ joined 05:51 Ven joined 05:54 Ven left 06:00 CIAvash joined 06:02 wamba joined 06:03 xinming_ joined 06:10 rindolf joined 06:27 rurban joined 06:34 sortiz left 06:39 wamba left 06:41 wamba joined 06:49 geekosaur left 06:52 geekosaur joined 06:54 wamba left 07:12 RabidGravy joined
RabidGravy boom 07:16
07:18 rindolf left 07:22 darutoko joined
ufobat ola! 07:27
RabidGravy eh up 07:31
jeek Is Shlomi Fish sane now? 07:33
RabidGravy that's a leading question 07:34
jeek I recall a time, and probably a conversation in another channel, where it was strongly implied that Mr. Fish was not all there. 07:35
My memory is admittedly not the greatest.
RabidGravy there are lot of people who are rather eccentric around the Perl world, I' 07:38
eh?
... I know the thing about brilliance and madness is somewhat of a cliche but programming (and programming communities) does seem to bring it into relief 07:40
.seen tokuhirom 07:48
yoleaux I saw tokuhirom 30 Oct 2015 02:34Z in #perl6: <tokuhirom> after: split('=', 'YYY=', 2) returns just 'YYY'
RabidGravy :(
could do with him merging a PR against Websocket
ufobat but tokuhirom is quite active on github, isn't he? 07:58
07:59 firstdayonthejob joined
ufobat now i am afraid that my PR on HTTP::Server::Tiny will not get merged into it ;) thank you RabidGravy 07:59
RabidGravy reasonably active 08:01
RabidGravy cleans up a bunch of outdated PRs
08:09 Ven joined 08:14 rindolf joined 08:16 pierre_ left 08:19 rurban left
masak jeek: anything precipitated this question? any relation to Perl 6? :) 08:21
(antenoon, #perl6) 08:22
RabidGravy eh up chief
sjn \o
jeek rindolf signing off, saw his quit message 08:26
08:31 Ven left
rindolf jeek: the Llama thing? 08:32
jeek No. 08:34
08:35 vendethiel left 08:48 wamba joined 08:49 rindolf left 08:54 TreyHarr1 left, TreyHarris joined, ufobat left 08:55 spider-mario joined 08:59 Emeric joined 09:08 vendethiel joined
_nadim Morning 09:09
RabidGravy marnin 09:13
_nadim I am not making sense of grammar actions, I have this nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1097109 where, I thought, I'd extract only what is of interest to me. I get 'arguments' but not the rest. 09:16
09:16 Ven joined, AlexDaniel joined
AlexDaniel m: dd split(‘=’, ‘YYY=’, 2) 09:17
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«("YYY", "").Seq␤»
09:17 rurban joined
AlexDaniel m: dd split(‘=’, ‘YYY=’, NaN) 09:18
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«This type cannot unbox to a native integer␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/8fiYS8YJd5 line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel m: dd split(‘=’, ‘YYY=’, Inf)
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«("YYY", "")␤»
AlexDaniel so it wants a native integer but not quite
09:20 maybekoo2 joined 09:23 pierre_ joined 09:24 RabidGravy left
AlexDaniel m: say {$^_}(42) # heh 09:32
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/bs2evkclrG␤Redeclaration of symbol $^_ as a placeholder parameter␤at /tmp/bs2evkclrG:1␤------> 3say {$^_7⏏5}(42) # heh␤»
AlexDaniel m: my $_-_-_-_-_ = 42 09:37
camelia ( no output )
09:44 domm_ joined 10:05 pierre_ left
AlexDaniel What's the maximum length for a variable name? 10:07
10:07 rurban left
AlexDaniel 10 million characters seems to be ok, nice 10:10
xfix I don't think there is one, other than your memory limit.
Perl 6 grammar is written in Perl 6 itself, so it's not using some low level language where an user can be worried about overflowing some buffer. 10:11
10:14 domm_ left, domm_ joined
psch m: my $x = (("a" xx 2 ** 63) xx 2 ** 63) xx 2 ** 63; say $x.chars 10:15
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«0␤»
psch hm, precedence?
10:15 pmurias joined
psch m: my $x = (("a" xx (2 ** 63)) xx (2 ** 63)) xx (2 ** 63); say $x.chars 10:15
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«0␤»
psch m: my $x = (("a" xx (2 ** 63)) xx (2 ** 63)); say $x.chars
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«0␤»
psch m: my $x = (("a" xx (2 ** 63)); say $x.chars
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/1YJTTEOOg2␤Cannot use variable $x in declaration to initialize itself␤at /tmp/1YJTTEOOg2:1␤------> 3my $x = (("a" xx (2 ** 63)); say $7⏏5x.chars␤ expecting any of:␤ argument list␤ …»
psch m: my $x = ("a" xx (2 ** 63)); say $x.chars 10:16
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«0␤»
psch m: my $x = ("a" xx (2 ** 31)); say $x.chars
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«Memory allocation failed; could not allocate 17179869184 bytes␤»
psch ah, there
Hotkeys Rip
psch m: my $x = ("a" xx (2 ** 15)); say $x.chars
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«65535␤»
10:16 domm_ left
psch well, that's a limit in xx, not Str i suppose 10:16
m: my $x = "a"; $x ~= $x for ^1000; say $x.chars
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«Memory allocation failed; could not allocate 536870912 bytes␤»
psch m: my $x = "a"; $x ~= $x for ^15; say $x.chars 10:17
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«32768␤»
psch m: my $x = "a"; $x ~= $x for ^32; say $x.chars
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«Memory allocation failed; could not allocate 536870912 bytes␤»
psch m: my $x = "a"; $x ~= $x for ^31; say $x.chars
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«Memory allocation failed; could not allocate 536870912 bytes␤»
AlexDaniel psch: it does weird stuff silently, so that's still a bug I guess
psch m: my $x = "a"; $x ~= $x for ^16; say $x.chars
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«65536␤»
psch m: my $x = "a"; $x ~= $x for ^17; say $x.chars
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«131072␤»
psch stops poking for magic numbers
AlexDaniel psch: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=126014
psch AlexDaniel++: ah, already ticket 10:18
AlexDaniel but it says nothing about getting 0
psch +ed
i think we have a magic number that truncates a bigint to 0?
maybe in pow too
AlexDaniel not in pow
psch m: say 2 ** 2 ** 64 10:19
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«Numeric overflow␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/zusMCQeiqU line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/zusMCQeiqU line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel well, in pow it was kinda fixed: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=125811
it does not work on jvm though
j: say 2 ** 2 ** 64
camelia rakudo-jvm 40a953: OUTPUT«cannot connect to eval server: Connection refused␤»
AlexDaniel well, that's not what I meant
psch the fix doesn't work? 10:20
AlexDaniel psch: yeah, it does not throw a proper exception as it does on moar
psch yeah, 'cause the fix checks for 0, but r-j produces Inf :)
$ ./perl6-j -e'say 2 ** 2 ** 64'
Inf
AlexDaniel hmm there's also this error message 10:22
“repeat count > 1073741824 arbitrarily unsupported..”
ah, that's for strings
psch m: use nqp; say nqp::pow_n(2, nqp::pow_n(2, 64))
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«This type cannot unbox to a native number␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/YmNBughccP line 1␤␤»
10:22 TEttinger left
psch m: use nqp; say nqp::pow_n(2, 99999999999999999999999999999999999) 10:23
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«This type cannot unbox to a native number␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/KH3STvD5Td line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel m: my $x = ("a" x (2 ** 63)); say $x.chars
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«repeat count (-9223372036854775808) cannot be negative␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/DTJByw_7LC line 1␤␤»
psch ah, pow_I...
m: use nqp; say nqp::pow_I(2, 99999999999999999999999999999999999, Int, Int)
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«0␤»
psch m: use nqp; say nqp::pow_I(2, 99999999999999999999999999999999999, Num, Int)
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«0␤»
psch $ ./perl6-j -e'use nqp; say nqp::pow_I(2, 99999999999999999999999999999999999, Num, Int)' 10:24
-Inf
i do think pow_I should be better there, instead of trying to catch that in the HLL...
10:24 maybekoo2 left
psch otoh, how many digits would that even be? ...and how many bytes? 10:25
m: say so -Inf
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«True␤»
psch that's what causes r-j not to throw the overflow, fwiw 10:26
'cause infix:<**> does < nqp::pow(...) or otherchecks() || fail overflow >
...paraphrased
AlexDaniel ok so at least I am going to report this 10:27
m: my $x = ("a" x (9999999999999999999))
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«repeat count (-8446744073709551617) cannot be negative␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/mmOv8ANGbM line 1␤␤»
psch m: use nqp; say nqp::unbox_i(9999999999999999999)
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«-8446744073709551617␤»
AlexDaniel or this! 10:28
psch m: use nqp; say nqp::unbox_i(2 ** 64 - 1);
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«-1␤»
psch that's just native int semantics vOv
10:30 loren joined
psch m: use nqp; my $x = 2 ** 64 - 1; say $x; say nqp::p6box_i(nqp::unbox_i($x)); 10:31
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«18446744073709551615␤-1␤»
psch boxing is destructive... /o\
AlexDaniel OK, that's what I got: RT #128035 10:38
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=128035
10:38 _nadim joined
AlexDaniel m: my $x = 42 xx (2 ** 62); say $x.elems 10:39
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)»
AlexDaniel yeaaaah!
m: my $x = 42 xx (2 ** 62)
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)»
AlexDaniel so it's not just 32-bit systems! 10:40
10:40 rindolf joined
psch hrm, quite a few phaser and CX related jvm tickets 10:45
i'm fairly sure those two things hang more or less on the same peg
AlexDaniel CX?
psch control exception
m: { last; CONTROL { default { .perl.say } } }
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«CX::Last.new␤»
psch m: class CX { }; { last; CONTROL { default { .perl.say } } } # ooh 10:46
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«CX::Last.new␤»
psch aw, that doesn't clobber all over it :P
did that get fixed for X:: as well and i didn't notice?
m: class X { }; say 1 + "foo"; 10:47
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«Cannot convert string to number: base-10 number must begin with valid digits or '.' in '3⏏5foo' (indicated by ⏏)␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/X387dC3Woy line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/X387dC3Woy line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel psch: anyway, thanks for noticing that xx is broken on 64-bit too. I updated the ticket
10:49 kid51 joined 10:53 pierre_ joined
psch oh boy, my first actual RT weirdness! 10:55
i don't have Reply or Comment on #124628
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=124628
10:55 pierre_ left 10:57 pierre_ joined, leont joined
AlexDaniel psch: Actions/Reply ? 11:05
psch AlexDaniel: ooh! i never used them there, usually just on the top right of an existing comment... 11:06
AlexDaniel yeah, but there is no discription and no comments :/ 11:07
description*
11:09 pRiVi joined 11:11 leont left 11:12 grondilu joined 11:24 CIAvash left 11:31 wamba left
psch m: A: { }; last A # heh 11:35
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«control exception without handler␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/sImK7xYQJf line 1␤␤»
psch m: last
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«last without loop construct␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/9qFbYQ25QW line 1␤␤»
psch well, that's a rather easy fix at least... 11:39
11:44 Ven left 11:47 pierre_ left 11:59 gtodd1 joined 12:00 richi238 joined, masak_ joined 12:01 [Coke]_ joined 12:04 huf_ joined, M-Illandan1 joined 12:05 vike1 joined 12:06 huf left, aries_liuxueyang left, richi235 left, JimmyZ left, vike left, vytas left, M-Illandan left, masak left, [Coke] left, gtodd left, chris2 left 12:08 aries_liuxueyang joined 12:09 loren left 12:11 _mg_ joined 12:12 JimmyZ joined, vytas joined 12:14 chris2 joined 12:22 CIAvash joined 12:29 itcharlie joined
itcharlie seems like Im in the right place now :) 12:29
Perl 6 module installations are not working in windows 12:30
First error without Git Shell: gist.github.com/itcharlie/cec33e5b...c9c9258e9a
Second error with Git Shell: gist.github.com/itcharlie/b379b122...6b9a13f7e1
First error shows that it doesn't find Git command in path. 12:31
ugexe no, you mean panda doesnt work on windows
itcharlie ugexe:
correct
probably due to the full path name not being Windows friendly 12:32
more specifically this error here: Can't execute /c/Strawberry/perl/bin/prove.bat. 12:33
ugexe maybe try zef
ZoffixWin zef++
itcharlie zef? 12:34
ah ok
found it
12:34 _mg_ left, loren joined
itcharlie zef comes installed by default with Rakudo Star? 12:35
ZoffixWin Doesn't look like it: github.com/tadzik/Task-Star/blob/m.../META.info 12:36
itcharlie, github.com/ugexe/zef
itcharlie Thanks ZoffixWin
ZoffixWin: I enjoy your blog posts on Perl6 by the way
thank you
ZoffixWin Thanks.
itcharlie thank you ugexe I will try zef now 12:37
12:41 colomon left 12:43 AndyDee joined 12:44 pierre_ joined 12:45 hotel left, hotel joined 12:47 rurban joined, llfourn joined 12:48 colomon joined
moritz hi all; what's that "Perl 6 in your browser" link that recently circulated? 12:53
psch moritz: glot.io i think?
apparently so: glot.io/new/perl6 12:54
moritz psch: thanks!
12:56 pierre_ left
grondilu m: role A { method foo { "oops" } }; class :: does A { has $.foo }.new(:foo<var>).foo.say 12:57
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«oops␤»
grondilu ^methods always prevail over attribute, even when they come from a mixin?
12:57 rurban left
psch m: class A { has $.foo; method foo { "oops" } }; A.foo # that's equivalent at runtime 12:58
camelia ( no output )
grondilu m: role A { method foo { $!foo // "oops" } }; class :: does A { has $.foo }.new(:foo<var>).foo.say 12:59
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/lKTYUuSU99␤Attribute $!foo not declared in role A␤at /tmp/lKTYUuSU99:1␤------> 3ole A { method foo { $!foo // "oops" } }7⏏5; class :: does A { has $.foo }.new(:foo␤ expecting any of:␤ …»
12:59 loren left 13:00 pierre_ joined
psch m: role A { method foo { ::?CLASS.^attributes.grep(*.name eq '$!foo')[0].get_value(self) // "oops" } }; class :: does A { has $.foo }.new(:foo<bar>).foo.say 13:00
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«bar␤»
psch not sure that's the cleanest method there... 13:01
grondilu m: role A { method foo { "oops" } }; class :: does A { has $.foo; method foo { $!foo } }.new(:foo<var>).foo.say 13:02
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«var␤»
grondilu I can do that I guess
psch i think you can still reach A.foo somehow, but i always forget how exactly... :S
ZoffixWin m: role A { method foo { self!foo // "oops" } }; class :: does A { has $.foo; method !foo { $!foo } }.new.foo.say
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«oops␤»
ZoffixWin m: role A { method foo { self!foo // "oops" } }; class :: does A { has $.foo; method !foo { $!foo } }.new(:var<meow>).foo.say 13:03
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«oops␤»
ZoffixWin m: role A { method foo { self!foo // "oops" } }; class :: does A { has $.foo; method !foo { $!foo } }.new(:foo<meow>).foo.say
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«meow␤»
13:03 BenGoldberg joined
grondilu ZoffixWin: that looks slightly cleaner indeed 13:05
13:06 Emeric left, Emeric joined 13:07 colomon left 13:15 colomon joined 13:17 colomon left 13:18 Ven joined 13:20 colomon joined
AlexDaniel m: $_ = Empty; say S/a/b/ 13:24
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
AlexDaniel m: $_ = Empty; say .substr(5) 13:25
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«(HANDLED) Start argument to substr out of range. Is: 5, should be in 0..0; use *5 if you want to index relative to the end␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/Ua2Aieiyrs line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel What is “(HANDLED)”?
psch m: $_ = Empty; $x = .substr(5); say "alive" 13:26
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/MkaHV6_09_␤Variable '$x' is not declared␤at /tmp/MkaHV6_09_:1␤------> 3$_ = Empty; 7⏏5$x = .substr(5); say "alive"␤»
psch m: $_ = Empty; my $x = .substr(5); say "alive"
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«alive␤»
psch m: $_ = Empty; .substr(5);
camelia ( no output )
psch AlexDaniel: "don't complain when sunk or evaluated", pretty much
pmurias It would be awesome if we could somehow reuse glot.io to have runnable synopsises for modules
AlexDaniel I'm not sure why we can host camelia ourselves but would need some external dependency (that has unknown goals) to have runnable whatever 13:28
unless I am missing something
psch scope of users is a concern i'd guess 13:29
llfourn I think glot.io did the hard work of building a container spawning thing
psch as in, i'm assuming glot.io can handle at least a few more that camelia could
oh, yeah, security is probably another concern
llfourn with glot.io you can IO I guessed but haven't tried 13:30
pmurias it's a case of usefulness overiding security for camelia
there used be a lot of ways to overide the sandbox for camelia in the past
s/sandbox/restricted setting/ 13:31
psch 'use nqp' pretty much still clobbers all sense of security
llfourn yeah I wouldn't trust restricted setting for security anyways
psch but restricting that would be too detrimental for devs
AlexDaniel pmurias: there are still many 13:32
llfourn yeah writing to file works on glot.io just checked
AlexDaniel if we're going to host glot.io thingy ourselves then I'm all for it, of course 13:33
llfourn it seems to be open source :) 13:34
grondilu m: role A { method f($ where * > 0) {...} }; class :: does A { method f($ where * > 0) {} }
camelia ( no output )
grondilu m: role A { multi method f($ where * > 0) {...} }; class :: does A { multi method f($ where * > 0) {} }
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/0cR5LXBhQ_␤Multi method 'f' with signature :(<anon|84841888> $: $ where { ... }, *%_) must be implemented by <anon|84841888> because it is required by a role␤at /tmp/0cR5LXBhQ_:1␤»
grondilu m: role A { multi method f($) {...} }; class :: does A { multi method f($) {} }
camelia ( no output )
grondilu ^something's wrong here 13:35
jnthn grondilu: where constraints are never considered equivalent (because the usual slipperly slope on those things), so you can't use them as a thing to satisfy in a role requirement. 13:36
grondilu ok, previously I was using a subset but I thought I was overdoing it. Apparently I really need them, then. 13:37
jnthn So, behaving as designed, though a warning (or error) may be in order if you do use an unsatisfiable signature in a stub in a role.
llfourn wonders if it would work if they both refered to the same subset type...
jnthn llfourn: I think thay may cut it, yes
llfourn role A { multi method f($ where * > 0) {...} }; class :: does A { multi method f($ where * >
woops nvm that
13:38 zwu joined
llfourn m: role A { multi method f(UInt) { ... } }; class :: does A { multi method f(UInt) { }} # works 13:38
camelia ( no output )
13:39 RabidGravy joined
AlexDaniel hmmm 13:41
m: say so ().all 13:42
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«True␤»
AlexDaniel m: say so ().any
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«False␤»
AlexDaniel m: say so ().none
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«True␤»
BenGoldberg m: Slip.all.say, Slip.any.say, Slip.none.say;
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«all((Slip))␤any((Slip))␤none((Slip))␤»
AlexDaniel m: say so ().one
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«False␤»
BenGoldberg m: Slip.all.so.say, Slip.any.so.say, Slip.none.so.say, Slip.none.so.say; 13:43
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«False␤False␤True␤True␤»
jnthn m: say [||](); say [&&](); # also :)
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«False␤True␤»
BenGoldberg m: say [+^](); 13:44
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«0␤»
BenGoldberg m: say [+|](), [+&]();
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«0-1␤»
13:44 masak_ is now known as masak 13:46 Ben_Goldberg joined
Ben_Goldberg can forsee that -1 being used for obfuscated code. 13:46
13:46 BenGoldberg left, Ben_Goldberg is now known as BenGoldberg
AlexDaniel m: say [==]() 13:48
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«True␤»
13:49 pmurias left
AlexDaniel m: say [X]() 13:49
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«(((Any)))␤»
13:50 pmurias joined
psch m: say [&&] Empty 13:51
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«True␤»
psch right, Empty is just a special Slip, isn't it 13:52
m: say Empty ~~ Slip; say defined Empty
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«True␤False␤»
llfourn m: say Empty eqv |()
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«True␤»
ZoffixWin Does anyone know where (and if) all the file tests are documented? like IO.e, IO.f, etc 13:54
AlexDaniel ZoffixWin: github.com/perl6/roast/blob/master...le-tests.t ? 13:57
ZoffixWin :S
AlexDaniel yea :S
ah 13:58
“documented”
I've read it as “tested”
ZoffixWin All that tells me is our IO spectest is incomplete. I see .rwx and .z and whole bunch of other things in github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...IO/Path.pm
dogbert2 doc.perl6.org/type/IO::Path#File_Test_operators 13:59
ZoffixWin dogbert2++ thanks
AlexDaniel some are also mentioned here: doc.perl6.org/language/io#Checking_...irectories
perhaps /io should also have a link to /IO::Path#File_Test_operators 14:00
BenGoldberg One would hope for all of those docs to have links to one another.
dalek c: 9e2eac3 | (Mathieu Gagnon)++ | doc/Type/Bag.pod:
Fix broken link in type/Bag
 14:03
ZoffixWin There are some artifacts of copypasta in exception messages. PR to fix: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/761 14:06
It was an edit on GitHub; I didn't run spectests. 14:07
AlexDaniel ZoffixWin++ 14:08
14:15 tharkun_ left
dalek c: 7b5fc80 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/IO/Path.pod:
Document .rw and .rwx file tetss
 14:16
14:16 _mg_ joined, tharkun joined 14:20 cale2 joined 14:23 khw joined
ZoffixWin Would be nice to have .fr 14:24
14:25 mohae joined 14:26 rurban joined 14:28 pierre_ left, domidumont joined
ZoffixWin m: say "works" if .r and .f given 'evalbot/TODO'.IO; 14:28
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«works␤»
ZoffixWin Never mind :)
14:30 wamba joined 14:31 cale2 left 14:32 domidumont left 14:33 domidumont joined 14:34 skids joined 14:35 brrt joined 14:38 Ven left 14:41 zwu left 14:50 skids left
AlexDaniel m: say "works" if .r&.f given 'evalbot/TODO'.IO; 14:50
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«works␤»
AlexDaniel ZoffixWin: perhaps that will work too?
TimToady m: ''.substr(5).handled.say 14:56
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«True␤»
TimToady that's one bug
m: ''.substr(5).say
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«(HANDLED) Start argument to substr out of range. Is: 5, should be in 0..0; use *5 if you want to index relative to the end␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/15O6RJvQjC line 1␤␤»
TimToady the *5 is another bug
AlexDaniel m: say "works" if 'evalbot/TODO'.IO ~~ :f:r; 14:57
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/1LzvJmz4S3␤You can't adverb ␤at /tmp/1LzvJmz4S3:1␤------> 3say "works" if 'evalbot/TODO'.IO ~~ :f:r7⏏5;␤ expecting any of:␤ pair value␤»
AlexDaniel can't adverb what?
masak submits rakudobug
TimToady: that first one -- what output did you expect? 14:58
TimToady False
masak danke 14:59
TimToady something is testing the Failure for boolean/defined somewhere and marking it handled
when it should be returned unhandled
BenGoldberg m: say '.'.IO ~~ :d;
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«True␤»
ZoffixWin m: say "works" if 'evalbot/TODO'.IO ~~ :f & :r;
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«works␤»
masak m: "a".substr(7) 15:01
camelia ( no output )
masak m: say "a".substr(7)
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«(HANDLED) Start argument to substr out of range. Is: 7, should be in 0..1; use *7 if you want to index relative to the end␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/uMfJBXCIvx line 1␤␤»
AlexDaniel m: say "works" if ‘perl6testya’.IO ~~ (:f:r) # ha, whoops
camelia ( no output )
15:01 Roamer` joined
masak #128038 #123039 15:02
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=128038
Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=123039
masak m: say "works" if "README".IO ~~ :f:r 15:03
camelia rakudo-moar 1acf80: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/KLoVH5FhmZ␤You can't adverb ␤at /tmp/KLoVH5FhmZ:1␤------> 3say "works" if "README".IO ~~ :f:r7⏏5<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ pair value␤»
masak m: say "works" if "README".IO ~~ (:f:r)
camelia ( no output )
AlexDaniel xD
15:05 brrt left
ZoffixWin Where is that substr() coming from? It's not an nqp:: and I see no `use` statements: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/...ool.pm#L77 15:05
15:07 sufrostico joined
timotimo subs don't have to be defined before they show up in the source code 15:09
it's in src/Core/Str.pm
lines 2025 and following
ZoffixWin m: class Foo { method moo { bar } }; class Bar is Foo { sub bar { say 'woo' }; }; Foo.new.moo 15:11
camelia rakudo-moar b939c4: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/syJNwJOOon␤Undeclared routine:␤ bar used at line 1. Did you mean 'VAR', 'bag'?␤␤»
timotimo class inheritance won't give you package contents 15:14
ZoffixWin But how does Cool get "package contents" of Str? 15:15
jnthn ZoffixWin: The piece you're maybe missing is that everything in src/core is concatenated into a single file 15:16
ZoffixWin Ahhh. OK
jnthn (Called CORE.setting)
And compiled together
So it can be a single outer scope for the program.
jnthn blogged about his Perl 6 work over the last two weeks: 6guts.wordpress.com/2016/04/30/ref...d-torture/ 15:17
ZoffixWin \o/
15:18 mscha joined
mscha p6: my @arr = (0 xx 4) xx (0 xx 4); say @arr; say @arr[1][2]; @arr[1][2] = 1; 15:19
camelia rakudo-moar b939c4: OUTPUT«[(0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0) (0 0 0 0)]␤0␤Cannot modify an immutable Int␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/tmpfile line 1␤␤»
mscha What am I doing wrong?
jnthn Creating an array of lists (immutable) rather than an array of arrays 15:20
mscha And how do I fix this? 15:21
jnthn p6: my @arr = [0 xx 4] xx (0 xx 4); say @arr; say @arr[1][2]; @arr[1][2] = 1;
camelia rakudo-moar b939c4: OUTPUT«[[0 0 0 0] [0 0 0 0] [0 0 0 0] [0 0 0 0]]␤0␤»
jnthn But..why not just [0 xx 4] xx 4 ? :)
ZoffixWin "The NQP and Rakudo builds easily take an hour between them, and running spectest this way takes over 12 hours." holy hell... and I thought regular builds were slow :P
jnthn The RHS of xx is coerced to an integer 15:22
ZoffixWin: :)
ZoffixWin: The speed of regular builds is certainly up for improvement too :)
ZoffixWin :)
mscha p6: 'my @arr = [0 xx 4] xx 4; say @arr; say @arr[1][2]; @arr[1][2] = 1; say @arr 15:23
camelia rakudo-moar b939c4: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/tmpfile␤Unable to parse expression in single quotes; couldn't find final "'" ␤at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤------> 3say @arr[1][2]; @arr[1][2] = 1; say @arr7⏏5<EOL>␤ expecting any of:␤ single quo…»
mscha p6: my @arr = [0 xx 4] xx 4; say @arr; say @arr[1][2]; @arr[1][2] = 1; say @arr
camelia rakudo-moar b939c4: OUTPUT«[[0 0 0 0] [0 0 0 0] [0 0 0 0] [0 0 0 0]]␤0␤[[0 0 0 0] [0 0 1 0] [0 0 0 0] [0 0 0 0]]␤»
mscha Thanks/
lizmat perlpilot: re irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2016-04-28#i_12406261 short story: it was deprecated, and deprecations were to be removed before Xmas 15:30
perlpilot: long story: IO::Handle.ins created an overhead that was only necessary in some use cases 15:31
grondilu suddenly suspects JIT is the reason rakudo on VirtualBox is so much faster than on a Raspberry Pi. There is no JIT available on the Pi.
lizmat perlpilot: this made sense in Perl 5, but in Perl 6 we have .kv and -> $k, $v, so line counting can be done very easily in another way 15:32
perlpilot ZoffixWin re irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2016-04-29#i_12412332 , I still think IO::Spec should die 15:33
ZoffixWin die how? :) 15:34
The $*SPEC thing is kinda awkward to use
lizmat I still think that all OS's that we support with rakudo, support simple forward slashes
ZoffixWin Ah 15:35
lizmat they may supply backslashes, but they accept just simple slashes
so all of the $*SPEC business is just a gigantic overhead
I don't think we'll ever see rakudo run on VMS
and if it would, I'm pretty sure VMS would simply support / as well
that was part of the work I did in the newio branch 15:36
which didn't make it
15:37 mithaldu_ joined 15:53 eyck joined
lizmat m: (substr "",5).handled.say 15:53
camelia rakudo-moar d7698f: OUTPUT«False␤»
lizmat m: "".substr(5).handled.say
camelia rakudo-moar d7698f: OUTPUT«True␤»
15:55 sufrostico left 15:56 sufrostico joined 16:04 jamesneko joined 16:07 jamesnek1 left 16:13 pmurias left 16:16 Sgeo_ joined 16:18 dwarring left 16:19 Sgeo left 16:22 n0xff joined 16:29 n0xff left, n0xff joined 16:32 sufrosti1o joined, sufrostico left, geekosaur left 16:33 geekosaur joined, geekosaur left 16:35 geekosaur joined 16:39 rurban1 joined, skink joined
skink .seen soundart 16:40
yoleaux I haven't seen soundart around.
16:43 Khisanth joined, rurban left 16:45 rurban1 left
BenGoldberg m: say "".^can('handled') 16:49
camelia rakudo-moar d7698f: OUTPUT«()␤»
BenGoldberg m: say Failure.^can('handled') 16:52
camelia rakudo-moar d7698f: OUTPUT«(handled)␤»
16:55 pmurias joined 17:00 rurban joined 17:03 rurban2 joined 17:06 rurban1 joined, rurban left 17:09 rurban2 left 17:12 sue joined
dalek osystem: b33259c | (Zoffix Znet)++ | META.list:
Add Bailador::Plugin::AssetPack::SASS

Automatically preprocess and serve SASS files in Bailador apps: github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-Bailad...tPack-SASS		 17:20
17:21 sue left 17:23 Ven joined 17:30 hotel_california joined 17:31 hotel left 17:36 itcharlie left, mscha left 18:07 Herby_ joined
Herby_ \o #perl6 18:07
18:16 brrt joined 18:20 dalek left 18:21 dalek joined, ChanServ sets mode: +v dalek
brrt masak: excellent blog, fwiw :-) 18:21
18:22 grondilu left 18:23 grondilu joined 18:28 brrt left, rurban1 left 18:33 dwarring joined 18:36 yqt joined 18:37 hotel joined, sue joined 18:38 hotel_california left 18:47 dolmen joined 18:54 Herby_ left
dalek href="https://perl6.org:">perl6.org: 32b09e7 | (Steve Mynott)++ | source/downloads/index.html:
add some errata for Star. Windows nativecall and panda issues. Recommend upgrading DBIish
 18:57
ZoffixWin Is zef also broken? Maybe it should be mentioned as an alternative 18:58
19:00 dolmen left
stmuk_ scrollback suggests zef works I'll add that as a suggestion 19:01
ZoffixWin Is there a way to use some sort of base template with Bailador and then just include smaller templates in it for each page? Like the layouts in Mojolicious 19:02
ZoffixWin looks at code 19:06
Nope
dalek href="https://perl6.org:">perl6.org: eedaf87 | (Steve Mynott)++ | source/downloads/index.html:
suggest use of zef on windows
ZoffixWin stmuk_++ 19:07
19:17 sufrosti1o left 19:18 Ven left 19:21 domidumont left 19:22 rindolf left 19:26 buharin joined
buharin hi 19:26
:)
I want to ask you about opinion
19:28 Ven joined
ZoffixWin *About* opinion? Well... opinions are like buttholes.. Everyone has them and each of them stinks :) 19:29
buharin, so what was the question? 19:30
buharin what do you think about qt/qml? 19:31
when whole world moving to qt
ZoffixWin Alien land to me. I'm a web person.
buharin qt will go to web 19:32
also
stmuk_ perl people tend to be server-side and use desktop graphics libraries lightly
19:33 n0xff left
stmuk_ so I doubt anyone has used it much 19:33
ZoffixWin buharin, "Enjoy the first 30 days for free!" Am I looking at the wrong place? www.qt.io/ 19:34
'cause I highly doubt "whole world" is moving to a paid product
buharin :D
stmuk_ ZoffixWin: you need to watch the webinar first :P 19:35
ZoffixWin heh
buharin but 19:36
qt apps are completely free if open source
ZoffixWin Yeah, let me ask my boss how he feels about releasing to the public all of the code they pay me thousands of dollars to write :P 19:37
19:38 _mg_ left
buharin :) 19:39
moritz fwiw at $work, the default for general-purpose libraries is to realease them as open source 19:41
sadly, most of my work is business specific
but for example the perl 5 modules Text::PageLayout and Text::BlockLayout were written for formatting invoices :-) 19:42
ZoffixWin Mojo::PDF was written for auto-generating clearance flyers :) 19:43
buharin last time one guy asked me about Perl5 job but sadly I didn't know Perl 5 :(
I focus on C/C++
mst ZoffixWin: I'm sure he'd be xtatik about it 19:45
19:46 CIAvash left 19:47 sortiz joined
ZoffixWin Heh, well, yeah, there's also xtatik.org but I now I kinda wish I could make it in Perl 6 :) 19:47
19:47 abraxxa joined 19:50 abraxxa left
mst that will be doable eventually, I'm sure 19:51
19:51 itcharlie joined
sortiz \o #perl6 19:54
ZoffixWin \o 19:55
19:55 Ven left 20:15 darutoko left 20:20 BenGoldberg left 20:21 BenGoldberg joined 20:25 mspo joined
pmurias buharin: how does qt work on the web? 20:55
buharin I am going to sleep 20:56
sorry
20:56 buharin left 20:59 BenGoldberg left 21:00 tbrowder joined, BenGoldberg joined 21:01 TEttinger joined, kaare_ left 21:02 BenGoldberg left
tbrowder AlexDaniel: I have a pull request being tested now which should improve the Dynamic variables table here: doc.perl6.org/language/variables#D...variables; take a look at it now if you can and I'll hold off merging it until you approve; I have tested it locally and I think you will like the results. 21:03
21:04 BenGoldberg joined
dalek c: 3105e84 | (Tom Browder)++ | doc/Language/variables.pod:
improve table looks
 21:04
c: 05bb136 | RabidGravy++ | doc/Language/variables.pod:
Merge pull request #478 from tbrowder/master

improve table looks
21:05 ZoffixLappy joined 21:07 rurban joined
ZoffixLappy ugexe++ I'm really loving zef 21:08
21:09 n0xff joined, mohae left 21:11 khw left 21:12 mohae joined 21:14 zakharyas joined 21:21 travis-ci joined
travis-ci Doc build failed. Jonathan Stowe 'Merge pull request #478 from tbrowder/master 21:21
travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/126937106 github.com/perl6/doc/compare/7b5fc...bb13602b1e
21:21 travis-ci left
AlexDaniel tbrowder: I don't think that you should ask anyone when doing such minor changes :) 21:23
travis did not like it but it does not look like it is related 21:25
ZoffixLappy Yeah, looks like something completely different
AlexDaniel “double free or corruption” 21:27
hotel wow, I never knew how much nicer-looking travis was than jenkins
21:38 rurban left
sortiz Latest nom 'make spectest' : t/spec/S17-promise/start.t .................................... Dubious, test returned 17 (wstat 4352, 0x1100) # Still running... 21:40
plus some "Missing test file" in t/spec/S06-* and t/spec/S32-* 21:41
21:43 khw joined
tbrowder AlexDaniel: well, better safe than sorry...you may change yr mind on my next pull req... 21:44
ZoffixLappy tbrowder, don't worry revert feature works :) 21:46
tbrowder++ # all the doc PRs \o/
AlexDaniel tbrowder: yeah, no need to ask for permission. Just ask for forgiveness if something goes wrong ;) 21:47
also, some people are reviewing every commit anyway, so if there's something not ok it wont be unnoticed 21:50
timotimo and there's also travis-ci and appveyor that catch things that asplode on platforms and configurations you can't test directly 21:51
21:57 sue left
sortiz FWIW: Latest nom spectest results: gist.github.com/salortiz/cc6ec8148...d6a2ef1201 21:57
timotimo mhm mhm 21:59
well, jnthn found and fixed something in his frame overhaul branch, which may be put into master separately 22:00
ZoffixLappy lovely :/ "===SORRY!=== P6M Merging GLOBAL symbols failed: duplicate definition of symbol NoRouteFound" 22:04
tadzik may have involved nuking my entire env multiple times
ooh, I know 22:05
check your META6.json for copy-pastos
ZoffixLappy Me?
skink wonders what mischief you could do with unlink($*PROGRAM)
sortiz ZoffixLappy, some of these can be cured with s/module/package/ 22:06
ZoffixLappy I think I know why. I have multiple modules using Bailador and I also attempted to use a local copy, thus the conflict 22:07
.seen ufobat 22:08
yoleaux I saw ufobat 07:59Z in #perl6: <ufobat> now i am afraid that my PR on HTTP::Server::Tiny will not get merged into it ;) thank you RabidGravy
ZoffixLappy .seen ZoffixLappy
yoleaux You're right there.
sortiz :P
ZoffixLappy yoleaux, you could still tell me, yo. I need to know the time in Z :)
.seen sortiz 22:09
yoleaux I saw sortiz 22:08Z in #perl6: <sortiz> :P
ZoffixLappy aha :)
RabidGravy it's 22:09Z :)
sortiz 17:09CDT :) 22:10
hotel zulu? 22:12
isn't that just america-speak for utc? 22:13
ZoffixLappy Zulu is the "word of choice" to use for Z when spelling out letters 22:14
hotel when referring to time I mean
s/word of choice/what NATO uses in their phonetic alphabet/ 22:15
ZoffixLappy ah
hotel :)
22:17 sue joined
skink Zulu time is UTC yeah 22:19
hotel :+1: 22:20
22:21 sue left 22:25 Emeric left
stmuk_ 22:25
timotimo
22:26 pmurias left
ZoffixLappy ? ! 22:26
dalek href="https://perl6.org:">perl6.org: 59e441f | (Steve Mynott)++ | source/downloads/index.html:
sortiz++ DBIish update don't require --force, the version was changed
 22:30
geekosaur not even america-speak precisely. US Armed Forces-speak
www.worldtimezone.com/index24.html the single-letter zone designations are in the bottom ribbon of the map 22:31
ZoffixLappy zef --force --/tests install . # doesn't seem to work 22:32
TEttinger Llueve, Djembe, Xhosa 22:33
geekosaur (using the IPA words instead of letters)
ZoffixLappy Gives me usage :/ without --force --/tests fails with some sort of error :/
TEttinger I don't even know how Xhosa is pronounced, opening X is diverse enough in sounds without an h modifying it... 22:34
hotel I assume it's like a 'sh' or a 'phlegm' 22:35
arnsholt /k/ according to Wikipedia
hotel I sit corrected 22:36
TEttinger Llueve, Djembe, Xhosa, Phlegm
hotel ^^
stmuk_ BTW has anyone noticed Bailador test fails on OS X?
TEttinger so like the others it would be a very misleading letter for an acronym
hotel last time I built rakudo (2016.04) and ran tests most of them were dubious 22:37
not on mac but since we're talking about tests... 22:38
ZoffixLappy Dammit: gist.github.com/zoffixznet/eb304e4...5550c689d4
stmuk_ it passed on linux but I saw "body must be a Supply
on OS X .. I've suspected threading issues there for a while 22:39
hotel is it bad that I'm turning in a paper about procrastination like three weeks late?
stmuk_ will investigate more tomorrow 22:40
ZoffixLappy wtf... looks like it was trying to install my local version :S from that dir.... Moving to another dir changed behaviour
skink RabidGravy, Seems like at least one other module re-implements OAuth like in WebService::Soundcloud 22:41
ugexe ZoffixLappy: if the version is the same still it will use a cached copy
(can be disabled in config.json or with --/cached)
skink Might be worth having an OAuth module?
ZoffixLappy ugexe, home come zef --force --/tests install FooBar gives me the usage message?
well, add --debug... I have zef aliased to zef --debug 22:42
ugexe --/test
sortiz ZoffixLappy, And beware that Bailador in unvesionized: github.com/ufobat/Bailador/blob/ma...TA.info#L3
RabidGravy skink, yes just there wan't when I made that :) I'd like to make pluggable auth for http::useragent at some point
ZoffixLappy ugexe, seems like USAGE needs an update: "FLAGS --/tests Skip the testing phase"
ugexe ZoffixLappy: ah good eye 22:43
22:44 grondilu left
ugexe maybe i should use :tests(:$test) in the signature 22:45
ZoffixLappy :S still failing install all of a sudden :/ gist.github.com/zoffixznet/85fc90c...5d472ba8fb
22:46 grondilu joined
ZoffixLappy :/ so much for my going to the bar to hack on stuff :\ 22:47
22:48 firstdayonthejob left
ugexe hmm, that might be CUR.install itself 22:50
ZoffixLappy panda fails too: gist.github.com/zoffixznet/dbe6d40...a997916619
ugexe ill see if i can get some more details
ZoffixLappy suspects some recent change to one of the modules very recently
22:51 RabidGravy left
ugexe since its pointing to ends-with for panda and zef, i wonder if its this: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/1037...em.pm#L100 22:52
ZoffixLappy rm -fr .perl6/precomp/; solved the issue 22:54
ugexe hmmm, you had precomp issues yesterday too right? something about Bailador seems to mess with CUR invalidation of precomps
ZoffixLappy doesn't remember 22:55
Ah, that was on installing of zef with rakudobrew build zef; and I think rakudobrew rehash fixes that 22:56
ugexe oh. someone else had to delete .perl6/precomp yesterday for a problem then 22:57
ZoffixLappy This time, it might have been due to my (a) trying to `use` Bailador from a local dir, while some other modules were using it from installation, causing symbol merge (b) trying to install Bailador from that local dir using zef install .
I did delete .perl6/precomp yesterday to solve zef issue on my main box, but I found the rehash was enough on my lappy
ugexe i would bet its on Bailador using sigless 'app' to call methods on, when its declared with 'my $app;' 22:58
22:58 BenGoldberg left
grondilu I also have problems installing my module. paste.debian.net/451974/ Currently trying again after having removed .perl6/precomp 22:58
nope, failed again same way 22:59
22:59 BenGoldberg joined
grondilu what's weird and annoying is that there isn't even an error message. 23:01
ZoffixLappy sigilles app is a sub: github.com/ufobat/Bailador/blob/ma...dor.pm#L10
ugexe grondilu: first you should declare all your provides in your META6.json 23:03
grondilu all compunits? 23:04
ZoffixLappy all files, yeah
ugexe you are missing 3 in the deepest subfolder 23:05
grondilu ok
ZoffixLappy You have 6 files, but just 3 in META
grondilu, also "author" key is not specced. It's authors that takes an Array
and `perl` key is mandatory. perl: "6.c"
ugexe s/author/owner/
ZoffixLappy owners? 23:06
ugexe design.perl6.org/S22.html#owner
what you would typically use as the user portion of the auth 23:07
origin:owner
grondilu learns about github.com/jonathanstowe/Test-META/ 23:09
ZoffixLappy But is that a key of META6.json? I only see this listed: design.perl6.org/S22.html#authors
ugexe well, it doesnt list auth/authority either 23:11
TimToady actually, 'Xhosa' begins with a lateral click 23:15
(the one you sometimes hear when people are making horses go :) 23:16
ugexe grondilu: yours is failing precomp too (likely because of the missing `provides`) from gen/moar/m-CORE.setting:35905 (/home/nickl/.rakudobrew/moar-2016.04/install/share/perl6/runtime/CORE.setting.moarvm:precompile) 23:17
ZoffixLappy Because those aren't keys: design.perl6.org/S22.html#recommen...on_manager My interpretation of it is "cpan:" and "github:" stuff is determined by the installation tool. The "owner" would be listed in the "authors" key of META, and asking for Foo:auth<cpan:bar> would make the installer look for Foo on CPAN with a module that has :auth<> adverb set to 'bar' 23:18
Seems "authors" is irrelevant for that choice and the spec does mark it as 'optional'
ZoffixLappy still thinks :auth<> stuff is a mistake
ugexe auth should be the origin, where it was originally located. this way other sites can still mirror it
auth != content storage 23:19
TimToady correct
auth is part of the identity
cpan can only be part of the identify if the original naming authority decides that that's its name
that is, if 'bar' thinks 'cpan:bar' is his/her most official name 23:20
if so, cpan:bar is more correct than bar 23:21
since it's rooted universally
ZoffixLappy is really confused
ugexe you shouldnt expect the package managers to keep a list of what each of the authorities expand to 23:22
its just to identify the distribution. XXX:auth<github:foo> might be on github or maybe not
23:22 wamba left 23:23 zwu joined, AndyDee left
TimToady it's all identity, nothing to do with distributions, just as a URI used for identity is not really necessarily where you get that information from 23:23
it's kind of a shame that so far the universal naming schemes in the world are all location-based 23:24
ugexe aye, or an email (:auth<foo@bar.net>)
TimToady these days that arguably works better for identity than almost anything 23:25
it's a bit confusing to say "identify the distribution" though
distribution is overloaded 23:26
ugexe often it will be rooted with something that also happens to represent a content storage, which is why at first one might think it should determine where to obtain it from
TimToady that's what I just said :)
ugexe i never said i could read 23:28
ZoffixLappy :D
23:33 sufrostico joined
zwu I wonder if the compact array will allow structures too in order to exchange data between C array of structures. In numpy, the structure array is supported docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy-1.10.1/use....rec.html. 23:33
23:35 sufrostico left
TimToady it should be, or else it should be :) 23:36
the intent is certainly that it should work, whether it does yet or not 23:37
we can currently inline a C struct into another struct with HAS rather than has 23:38
something similar would need to be operative on the array level 23:39
zwu is there doc about inline a C struct into another struct with HAS rather than has. If so, extending that inline to array may be an option. 23:41
TimToady it's documented a bit under nativecall, but not, I suspect, how it interacts with the underlying 6model 23:42
timotimo oh, is a CArray of a CStruct an array of pointers? 23:44
TimToady is a non-expert in this corner of things
zwu TimToaday: thanks. 23:45
TimToady pay more attention to timotimo here :)
timotimo oh, er, what, me?
timotimo slowly backs away 23:46
TimToady hides behind the cricket hiding behind timotimo
timotimo ah, yes, CArray of CStruct is an array of pointers to structs 23:47
github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/blob/mast...rray.c#L53 - check these lines
sortiz zwu, If you need to pass an inline array of CStructs to C you can use NativeHelpers::CStruct, from NativeHelpers::Blob. 23:48
timotimo nice
sortiz See: github.com/salortiz/NativeHelpers-...-cstruct.t 23:49
timotimo we might want to offer a deprecation cycle for CArray of CStruct and ask users to use CArray[CPointer[type]] instead? 23:50
zwu that's cool! 23:51
TimToady that would seem like a more straightforward way to deal with things in the future, if we can get there from here 23:53
23:53 spider-mario left
sortiz searching RabidGravy's original related RT ticket. 23:54
23:55 zakharyas left
sortiz That is RT #127730 23:57
synopsebot6 Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=127730
23:59 pierre_ joined

Powered by Cro and the Raku® Programming Language.

Please report any issues / comments / feature requests as an issue on App::Raku::Log.

Thank you!