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raschipi Whay can't the original filename be stored with the bytecode? 00:07
Seems to be a common request.
ugexe they want to edit a file by the same name as the original filename 00:09
zef locate 5671A6C52C604B78F4C138573DCFB019723F7B7F --sha1, zef locate lib/Zef/CLI.pm6, zef locate Zef::CLI 00:11
geekosaur nobody guarantees it would be recompiled 00:15
the way compilation happens is you install the file
pompomcrab geekosaur: hmm i don't like that feature then. is there a dongle to make p6 do it like p5 so i can live-edit installed modules? 00:17
geekosaur no, and there won;t be one unless it also includes a "forbid installing different versions of modules or modules from different sources because that would interfere with that importnt live editing feature" 00:18
raschipi What will it do If I nuke that?
pompomcrab geekosaur: saying "no" only motivates me to dive into the rakudo source to make a patch to do it ;) 00:19
geekosaur ok, yes, :ver and :auth are evil that you must eradicate
hop to it
pompomcrab geekosaur: i'll just do it like node.js does using ./node_modules to override global installed modules lol 00:20
Zoffix pompomcrab: you can have a local version you load 00:21
geekosaur you could possibly create a new CUR that does not honor multiple sources so it can get away with not renaming things uniquely, and force its use for your modules
but you would have to remember to use it because it will not be default
raschipi You say so, but I don't get it. Is it explained somewhere why would the capability pf having multiple versions installed interfere with the hability of getting rid of a cached version and recompiling?
pompomcrab now we're talking, i'll do that
Zoffix pompomcrab: and edit that. Unlike Perl, the installed modules are already pre-compiled. They're not evaluated from source each time. Just grab the source of the module you want to edit, get it to the state that pleases you, and if you want install that version 00:22
geekosaur raschipi, so you want perl 6 even slower by having to constantly recheck and recompile things?
the whole point of CUR was to make the slow compile step happen only once
pompomcrab tbh package-manager-itis fatigue has got me liking little langs like Lua where there are no modules, you're on your own free to implement it however you want
Zoffix :) 00:23
raschipi No, I want it to tell me the source the cache came from and recompile if the cache is cleared.
Zoffix raschipi: I think the filename (and even code itself) is stored somewhere. It's just not usedxd
pompomcrab Zoffix: this is great stuff for me to learn, i've been wondering how the Compile Unit stuff really worked but it's complicated so i gave up
Zoffix \o/ 00:24
raschipi One option to do it the slow way, recompiling everything and another to spill out where the bytecode came from would solve the issue. No need to be slow by default. 00:25
Zoffix raschipi: yeah, `zef locate WWW` gives me the filename for the module and if I pop it open it got plain sauce in it
raschipi can zef locate source installed by means other than itself? 00:26
Zoffix I'd imagine so
geekosaur this is part of the CUR, I believe
Zoffix 'cause IIUC, it's just uses CUR interface for everything 00:26
pompomcrab i'm happy to dig into the p6-guts and Just Make It Work since i do have a personal goal to get Some Code Any Code submitted into p6, since i arrived too late in 2002 to contribute to a p5 mostly-finished-it-already-exists-on-CPAN 00:27
Zoffix But also, IIRC there doesn't have to be a downloaded source file the stuff came from. You could make a CUR that reads from /dev/random if you wantede
pompomcrab: oh, great. You may wanna mark a date in your callendar. 00:28
squashable6: status
squashable6 Zoffix, Next SQUASHathon in 29 days and ≈9 hours (2017-10-07 UTC-12⌁UTC+14)
Zoffix pompomcrab: ^ I understand next squashathon will be on the compiler. Basically, we all get together in this channel for 1 day and try to fix bugs on the selecter repo :)
Zoffix And by that time we'll have some tickets marked for Low Hanging Fruit, so that people new to it can contribute something. 00:29
raschipi People don't have to sign something to be allowed to participate? 00:34
Zoffix raschipi: no, it's only if you want a commit bit to rakudo/* repos 00:36
pompomcrab Zoffix: ok i'm in 00:37
raschipi To send pull requests that's not needed? Good to know.
pompomcrab at the very least i can steal some knowledge and level up 00:38
Zoffix \o/
raschipi: right. We'd never get much contributions if it were needed for pull requests too :PO
(P.S.: for stealing knowledge; there are a couple articles with "Core Hacking" in their titles on rakudo.party/ ) 00:39
ugexe you can do auth/ver and use the original names, you just put them in a sha1 directory. see: github.com/ugexe/Perl6-CompUnit--R...itory--Lib 00:42
you'll notice the failing tests are also all precomp
ugexe but i have not yet implemented the items required to do look ups without parsing json 00:46
BenGoldberg m: my class C { }; my role R { }; say map { C but R }, ^5; 01:05
camelia ((C+{R}) (C+{R}) (C+{R}) (C+{R}) (C+{R}))
BenGoldberg m: my class C { }; my role R { }; say $_.WHERE for map { C but R }, ^5; 01:05
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xiaoyafeng hello, 01:22
I notice (^100).grep({$_ >3}) has another way of writing: (^100).grep(* > 3) could anyone explain what * does mean in argument for me? Thanks! 01:26
Xliff BenGoldberg: Isn't that a good thing? Class and role definition aren't being duplicated? 01:29
ash_gti xiaoyafeng * in that context is a whatever
see docs.perl6.org/type/Whatever for some more details, but its a type of placeholder
BenGoldberg Not everything I type into camelia is a "WTF, is this wrong?", sometimes the results are things I'm quite happy about :) 01:30
BenGoldberg smiles.
Xliff m: my class C { }; my role R { }; map { my C but R $cr = .new; $cd.WHERE.say }, ^5;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Malformed my
at <tmp>:1
------> 3y class C { }; my role R { }; map { my C7⏏5 but R $cr = .new; $cd.WHERE.say }, ^5;
Xliff m: my class C { }; my role R { }; map { my C but R $cr = .new; $cd.WHERE.say } ^5;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Malformed my
at <tmp>:1
------> 3y class C { }; my role R { }; map { my C7⏏5 but R $cr = .new; $cd.WHERE.say } ^5;
BenGoldberg m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; map { my CR $cr = .new; $cd.WHERE.say } ^5; 01:31
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$cd' is not declared. Did you mean '$cr'?
at <tmp>:1
------> 3t CR = C but R; map { my CR $cr = .new; 7⏏5$cd.WHERE.say } ^5;
BenGoldberg m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; map { my CR $cr = .new; $cr.WHERE.say } ^5;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Missing comma after block argument to map
at <tmp>:1
------> 3p { my CR $cr = .new; $cr.WHERE.say } ^57⏏5;
BenGoldberg m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; map { my CR $cr = .new; $cr.WHERE.say }, ^5; 01:32
camelia Type check failed in assignment to $cr; expected C+{R} but got Int (0)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
BenGoldberg Err
Xliff m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; map { my CR $cr = .new; $cr.WHERE.say } ^5;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Missing comma after block argument to map
at <tmp>:1
------> 3p { my CR $cr = .new; $cr.WHERE.say } ^57⏏5;
Xliff o_0
BenGoldberg You're thinking in perl5 ;)
In perl5, you write: map BLOCK LIST. In perl6, you write: map BLOCK, LIST 01:33
Xliff m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map { $cr = .new; $cr.WHERE.say };
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unexpected block in infix position (missing statement control word before the expression?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3e R { }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map7⏏5 { $cr = .new; $cr.WHERE.say };
exp…
Xliff m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map: { $cr = .new; $cr.WHERE.say };
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$cr' is not declared
at <tmp>:1
------> 3{ }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map: { 7⏏5$cr = .new; $cr.WHERE.say };
Xliff m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map: { my $cr = .new; $cr.WHERE.say };
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Xliff \o/ 01:34
BenGoldberg wants to know why my code produced "but got Int (0)"
Xliff, You're producing a bunch of Any.new()s. 01:35
xiaoyafeng if * is just a placeholder, what difference is between $_ and * ?
BenGoldberg * produces a special object, called a Whatever.
$_ is the default variable for various operations. 01:36
There're used in similar manners, but do different things.
MasterDuke xiaoyafeng: it's slightly more than just a placeholder, it kind of curries also
xiaoyafeng emmm, 01:37
BenGoldberg If you write: *.foo, this generates an anonymous subroutine which takes an object, and calls the method foo on it.
If you write $_.foo, this takes the object inside of the $_ variable and calls the method foo on it, immediately.
ash_gti m: for [1, *, 3] { dd $_ } 01:38
camelia Int <element> = 1
Whatever <element> = *
Int <element> = 3
ash_gti m: my $a = * + 3; $a(4).say;
camelia 7
BenGoldberg m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map: { my $cr = CR.new; dd $cr }; 01:39
camelia C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
BenGoldberg m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map: { my CR $cr = CR.new; dd $cr };
camelia C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
BenGoldberg m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map: { my CR $cr .= new; dd $cr }; 01:40
camelia C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
C+{R} $cr = C+{R}.new
BenGoldberg ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Xliff m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map: { my CR $cr .= new; $cr.WHERE. }; 01:46
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of . to concatenate strings; in Perl 6 please use ~
at <tmp>:1
------> 3^5).map: { my CR $cr .= new; $cr.WHERE. 7⏏5};
Xliff m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map: { my CR $cr .= new; $cr.WHERE.say };
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Xliff m: my class C { }; my role R { }; constant CR = C but R; (^5).map: { my CR $cr .= new; $cr.WHERE.say; $cr.^name.say }; 01:47
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Xliff Those don't look like anys. ;)
Of course, the results of the map won't make any sense. LOL
xiaoyafeng Thanks, very clear description on * thanks very much 01:50
;)
ash_gti Zoffix I think I have a fix for the rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=132043 issue, I submitted a pull request for github.com/perl6/roast/pull/308 and github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/1152 04:50
Geth doc: zakame++ created pull request #1541:
Split and rephrase lines in the footer		 05:38
ufobat good morning ;) 07:55
Niels_ Hello! 08:46
fireartist Hi, should rakudo be buildable with 1GB RAM? - rakudobrew is dying on me 10:11
gfldex fireartist: you should be fine with adding 1GB of swap 10:12
fireartist gfldex: ah, I've no swap - I'll check whether there's any unallocated disk I can use - thanks! 10:14
gfldex fireartist: if you don't got any swap right now, disabeling tmpfs might help too 10:15
teatime fireartist: I do that all the time (enable swap so that I can build rakudo on small-spec (512MB and up) VMs)... as long as you have the disk space, you can make a swap file nowadays, you do not need a dedicated swap partition. 10:22
fireartist I don't have any free disk, but realized I could temporarily double my VM's RAM & CPU for 1.5cents/hr - doing that now :-) 10:26
teatime fireartist: e.g.: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1M count=2048 && mkswap /swapfile && swapon /swapfile (and add to /etc/fstab for future boots.) afaik this is equally fast as swap part, and it's usually nice to have everything on one partition/filesystems for VMs. 10:28
haha. that works too :)
teatime sorry for my late response I had to read a man-page... apparently fallocate is /not/ the preferred way to pre-allocate a swapfile... at least according to mkswap(8) 10:29
fireartist "Rakudo has been built and installed" - thank you! 10:38
Aaronepower Hello, how do I say to stop a rule once the next word is a certain word? Like `rule list { [. not ',' | not 'or']+ }` 10:40
jnthn Perhaps <!before foo> 10:45
teatime Aaronepower: docs for ^^ are at docs.perl6.org/language/regexes#Lo...assertions 10:48
Aaronepower teatime: Yes, but they wouldn't capture the last value correct? 10:50
teatime I beleive look-arounds are zero-width assertions, so they can't capture anything. 10:52
timotimo m: "hello" ~~ / h <?before (ello)> /; say $/ 10:53
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unable to parse expression in metachar:sym<( )>; couldn't find final ')'
at <tmp>:1
------> 3"hello" ~~ / h <?before (ello)>7⏏5 /; say $/
expecting any of:
infix stopper
timotimo m: "hello" ~~ / h <?(ello)> /; say $/
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Unrecognized regex metacharacter < (must be quoted to match literally)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3"hello" ~~ / h <?7⏏5(ello)> /; say $/
Unable to parse regex; couldn't find final '/'
at <tmp>:1
------> 3"hello" ~~ / h <?7…
timotimo mhm mhm
Aaronepower teatime: Sorry, I'm using this in a grammar 11:09
teatime oh yeah, I meant to say... Are there any places you're not allowed to do look-aheads? I seem to remember that you couldn't use them in a grammar, or something, but it's been too long now (or, am I just imagining that?) 11:17
Aaronepower teatime: I have used lookaheads in grammars before. 11:18
timotimo maybe you remember something about the interplay of calling rules of your grammar with <?foo> or <!foo> and action methods? 11:31
Skarsnik hello 11:33
Aaronepower timotimo: I tried `rule items { .+ | . [<?before or> | <?before ','>] }` 11:39
timotimo don't think that works like you expect 11:41
that'll either match a whole bunch of anything, or one anything that has a "or" or "," immediately after it
it might work if you just remove the "| ." part 11:43
teatime timotimo: yeah, that was it; thank you. 11:47
Aaronepower timotimo: Well that is kind of what I want. Except now I don't know how to make it optional. 11:48
timotimo what's the other condition you allow it to stop at? end of file?
Aaronepower timotimo: Yes
Aaronepower timotimo: Or just end of string 11:58
census I'm having trouble with the sub in the code: pastebin.com/r4updX2c 12:02
It's saying: "Too few positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 0" I thought it was actually 1---I'm not sure how 0 12:03
Aaronepower census: If you remove the `:` on $year on line 25 does it work? 12:06
Skarsnik &make-term you want
census thanks Aaronepower ! i have no idea how i missed that 12:07
Skarsnik make-trem will call the sub
Aaronepower timotimo: My solution was `rule items { .+ [<?before or> | <?before ','>] || .+ }` I don't know if that's bad practice or not though. 12:19
timotimo Aaronepower: you can just <?before or> | <?before '.'> | $ 12:22
Aaronepower timotimo: Ah, I tried doing `<?before $>` 12:23
timotimo i'm not sure it'd make much of a difference 12:24
though $ is a zero-width thing, too
census Aaronepower and Skarsnik : when i create the sub on line 13 in pastebin.com/r4updX2c you see how i put cancer. i realize it should be "cancer". how would i do with an ' like "Alzheimer's"? 12:31
Aaronepower What would be a reason for a proto token to cause `Cannot invoke this object (REPR: Null; VMNull)`? 12:36
lizmat a bug, because you should never see that 12:37
Aaronepower lizmat: paste.rs/R8O Any time proto token unit is matched I get that. 12:38
lizmat hmmm.. could you try renaming "unit" to something else? maybe it's some interference with some internals? 12:39
Aaronepower lizmat: Nope same error. 12:40
jnthn There ain't a unit method anywhere, I don't think... 12:41
lizmat :-( then I hope someone else will be able to help you, as I'm not that familiar with grammar internals
jnthn doesn't spot what's going on
census mst can i ask you a question? 12:42
jnthn Aaronepower: I guess Grammar::Tracer and Grammar::ErrorReporting aren't to blame (you can still get it without those two)? 12:43
Aaronepower jnthn: Huh, Grammar::Tracer being removed makes it work. 12:44
[Coke] in core, many of the proto tokens use { <...> } instead of {*}
that's all I got. ;)
perlpilot good morning #perl6 12:47
timotimo hi perlpilot
perlpilot Aaronepower: what version of Perl 6 are you using? I just tried your grammar and it worked fine afaict -- gist.github.com/perlpilot/85791ca1...9b7112f744 12:57
Aaronepower perlpilot: 2017.07
perlpilot ah ... I'm running a more recent version (as shown at the bottom of the output in that gist) 12:58
timotimo Grammar::Tracer may cause the grammar to behave differently :( 12:59
jnthn I thought all those were fixed :/ 13:00
timotimo not sure, i should probably write some test cases :) 13:01
trying it against the yamlish grammar gives me "Cannot invoke this object (REPR: Null; VMNull)" again 13:03
census query labster 13:06
hey
oops sorry about that
census does anybody know a #perl administrator? 13:07
perlpilot census: are you trying to get unbanned or something?
census perlpilot i was just wondering if am banned
i tried to join the room 13:08
i got error: " Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services"
timotimo that's not a ban
you just have to register with NickServ
census oh okay thanks. i never had to do that before, so i didn't know. thanks for clarifying
perlpilot or if your nick is already registered, identify
census: freenode.net/kb/answer/registration 13:09
census thanks perlpilot !
i had a question about some perl6 code i'm writing, but i remember it was also an issue that came up when i was doing perl5 13:10
in my code pastebin.com/XKAUDY5G on line 13 you see "Alzheimer Disease" that works fine, but i want to add an apostrophe to make "Alzheimer's Disease" and i know i need to set up some ASCII type thing, i think ?
perlpilot census: you mean you think the apostrophe needs to be encoded? Like &#39; ? 13:16
perlpilot isn't sure what "post" does and hasn't read the docs 13:17
(I mean, I can guess what post does, but what it does with :term(), I dunno) :) 13:18
census perlpilot yes i'm worried i need something lke that because of the way I'm using ' in the syntax already that it wouldn't recognzie ' as part of what i need to locate
perlpilot census: oh, you could just change your outer quotes. 13:19
census perlpilot so the line is: '( "Alzheimer Disease"[Title/Abstract] AND united states[pl] AND (("' ~ $year ~ '/01/01"[PDat] : "' ~ $year ~ '/12/31"[PDat])))' 13:20
perlpilot census: or you could do '( "Alzheimer' ~ "'s" ~ 'Disease" ...'
census perlpilot that didn't work. it compiled, but it returned no hits, so it didn't work with the website. unless i misinterpreted you: '( "Alzheimer' ~ "'s" ~ 'Disease"[Title/Abstract] ........... 13:22
perlpilot oh, I left out a space giving you "Alzheimer'sDisease" instead of "Alzheimer's Disease". Put that space back in and see if it helps 13:25
census perlpilot thanks! that worked great :) 13:29
HoboWithAShotgun which of the perl 6 releases on github is good for Linux Mint? 13:56
github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg/releases
timotimo is mint still split between an ubuntu-based and a debian-based version?
HoboWithAShotgun no idea 13:57
timotimo it seems so 13:58
hm, or maybe the part i just read about that is out of date
HoboWithAShotgun oh joy, now how do i find out which version of mint this is
timotimo oh, only Linux Mint Debian Edition is based on debian; you'd find that under the name LMDE 13:59
timotimo so you'll have a version based on ubuntu, so i'd expect the ubuntu packages would fit best 14:00
HoboWithAShotgun mmh there is only one for 17.04, i think this 18
i'll go ahead and give it a try
timotimo no, linux mint 18 is based on ubuntu 16.04 lts
HoboWithAShotgun meh, i'm just going to use rakudobrew again 14:05
Skarsnik you dl a rakudo release and follow the installation/build instruction 14:11
+could
sumdoc Looks like change in rakudo is causing tests failure in Log::Async. It was working alright till yesterday 14:14
github.com/bduggan/p6-log-async/issues/19
timotimo sumdoc: does it rely on a file immediately showing writes to it when you re-open it for reading? 14:15
if so, the module should really open the log file :!buffer or .flush it regularly 14:16
Skarsnik maybe ping Zoffix for a toaster run? x) 14:18
HoboWithAShotgun Succes :) / This is Rakudo version 2017.08-91-g9785356 built on MoarVM version 2017.08.1-128-gde6dced 14:24
timotimo it's not recommended to just run whatever commit is latest; if you want stability, you'd be better off using the 2017.08 (and 2017.08.1) tags 14:25
sumdoc timotimo I love latest and greatest :))
HoboWithAShotgun i'm just toying around, and if i find a bug 14:26
bdmatatu I've been looking into the p6-log-async issue, but haven't yet figured it out; I was thinking maybe something to do with recent rakudo work on flushing/buffering but I'm not sure 14:39
timotimo it seems very likely 14:41
sumdoc timotimo Could this p6-log-aync issue due to flushing issues? 14:42
timotimo that's what i expect 14:43
that's the thought behind my question from half an hour ago
sumdoc timotimo :)
HoboWithAShotgun is there a bootstrapping tool for new modules?
bdmatatu It does rely on that behavior 14:44
I tried adding calls to close and flush before re-opening, but it didn't help 14:45
timotimo there's at least mi6 and Miroku, HoboWithAShotgun
HoboWithAShotgun googles 14:47
moritz HoboWithAShotgun: there's also ddt
timotimo all those should have the authoring tag, imo 14:48
moritz github.com/kalkin/Ddt
timotimo but only ddt does (and app::gptrixie does, too)
HoboWithAShotgun which one would you remcommend? 14:52
moritz I've used ddt for Gramar::ErrorReporting, and haven't regretted it
HoboWithAShotgun allright
so be it
HoboWithAShotgun have the powers that be considered any (quality assurance?) measures so the module archive won't clutter as much? 14:54
like 12 modules for the same job 14:55
moritz qa has not much to do with the number of competing modules 14:55
moritz and no, as far as I can tell, we haven't 14:55
we let people contribute whatever they want, and usage will decide which ones "win" 14:56
mspo isn't that why metacpan tracks stars and downloads and stuff? 14:59
there are also a lot of meta-modules that gather up "good" stuff (IO::All, like posted in here yesterday)
ilmari metacpan can't track downloads, since CPAN is mirrored around the world
mspo okay right, just stars I guess 15:00
although I know people whine about that a lot
maybe every lib should ping back to google analytics :)
(joke) 15:01
the big dependency graph is another good metric (N programs depend on Y library)
HoboWithAShotgun what is the perl6 equiv of "use lib"? 15:11
lizmat use lib 15:12
timotimo "use lib"
moritz I'm currently searching for a good subtitle for my new book 15:14
the title will most likely be "Parsing with Perl 6 Regexes and Grammars"
maybe something like "A Deep Dive into Parsing" or "An In-Depth Exploration of Parsing" 15:15
Skarsnik I deep dive in parsing hell 15:27
timotimo "how to not drown" 15:28
census Skarsnik are you good with HTTP::UserAgent ? 15:30
bdmatatu "a recursive descent into parsing"? 15:31
timotimo "how i .made it out"
moritz bdmatatu: I like it :-) 15:33
bdmatatu :-) 15:34
moritz but I fear my publisher won't :/ 15:36
moritz oh well, it's worth trying 15:39
jnthn
.oO( From text to action :P )
 15:40
timotimo A call to action() 15:42
jnthn "Putting text into action" is better and would do the same pun :) 15:47
moritz the disadvantage with in-jokes in the title is that a potential reader is mostl likely not yet in on the joke 16:04
timotimo right 16:05
masak .oO( the advantage with intensional definitions in mathematics is that all jokes are in-jokes ) 16:13
moritz eeks. My publisher uses a new layout, which only allows 63 characters per line in code examples 16:15
used to be 68
timotimo damn 16:16
Ulti if I ever once suggested I wanted strings to be iterable and array indexable I was wrong, so wrong... this feature of Python is nightmarish for bugs without strict typing 16:31
some of the more subtler design choices in Perl 5 can only be appreciated somewhere else 16:32
I spent an hour with an error KeyError 'w' where its only because its my own code I knew it would be some weird bug related to 'weight'[0] 16:33
skids Yeah but "not as crappy" is a bummer of a marketing theme.
Ulti if it was more complex code working in a team thats horrible
the error ends up miles from the actual bug
smls bisectable6: say ("\c[REGIONAL INDICATOR SYMBOL LETTER G]" x 2).chars; 16:45
bisectable6 smls, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=9785356) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
smls, bisect log: gist.github.com/01a82d07e8009c7bef...93432dddf2
smls, (2017-08-23) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/59...19c9b1fbe3
rindolf smls: cool bot! 17:19
nadim I had two new methods, nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1161381, and I had to change the order so it worked when I called it with three arguments. Am I missing something? 17:22
smls rindolf: Yep. Created by AlexDaniel, I think. 17:26
rindolf: See here for the documentation: github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki 17:28
smls nadim: Named parameters only affect multi-dispatch when they are marked *required*, i.e. `:$lines!` or `:$lines is required` 17:30
nadim smls++ 17:33
rindolf smls++ # helping nadim 17:36
nadim: you remember about the p6-dump-tree change, right?
nadim rindolf: Yes I do, as you know I have been, and still am, quite sick. But I hope it will happen soon. 17:38
rindolf nadim: i didn't quite recall that. I suffer from info overload 17:40
nadim: hope you feel better soon 17:41
nadim rindolf: thanks 17:43
BooK nine++ # -OFun 20:27
BooK we spent three hours on enums, and all I produced was a typo fix :-) 20:29
Skarsnik huhu
lizmat BooK++ 20:48
BooK lizmat: my first ever commit to rakudo :-) 21:34
MasterDuke BooK++ 21:36
raschipi m: say Bool ~~ Enumeration; 21:37
camelia False
raschipi 💩 21:38
Sorry for the pile of poo, I was testing if the unicode was fixed in the logs. 21:39
BooK raschipi: yeah, that's what nine and I tried to work on, and failed (for now) 21:43
raschipi I'm eagerly waiting for your results. 21:44
Geth doc: a7453d5154 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | xt/words.pws
learn new word
 23:33
doc: 871cc1a173 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | doc/Type/utf8.pod6
fix typo
doc: d4170d14f4 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | doc/Type/utf8.pod6
Use actual class def so the example compiles
Geth doc: ba916848ce | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | doc/Type/Any.pod6
Remove extra return part of sig.
 23:46
doc: 04ee7902e3 | (Will "Coke" Coleda)++ | doc/Type/Thread.pod6
remove use of "HLL".

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