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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
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comborico1611 m: my @numbers = <1 2 3>; sub add-numbers ( @numbers ) { my $total = 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x; }; say $total; } 00:26
camelia ( no output )
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camelia ( no output )
jnthn m: my @numbers = <1 2 3>; say @numbers.sum 00:28
camelia 6
jnthn :-)
geekosaur I was wondering when they'd notice they never actually called the sub...
comborico1611 Heh, yeah. I'm actually checking to see if there is a typo in this book. 00:29
Heh
Okay. I'm going to type it exactly as i see it. 00:31
m: my @numbers = <1 2 3>; sub add-numbers ( @numbers ) { my $total = 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x;} return $total; } 00:36
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3= 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x;}7⏏5 return $total; }
comborico1611 m: my @numbers = <1 2 3>; sub add-numbers ( @numbers ) { my $total = 0; for @numbers -> $x { $total += $x;}; return $total } 00:42
camelia ( no output )
comborico1611 Why does Perl use the term subroutine rather then function? 01:02
Than*
ZzZombo_ Type check failed in assignment to $section; expected Grammar::VDF::Section:D but got Grammar::VDF::Section:D 01:51
sorry, but what??? 01:52
timotimo i believe there's a bug in definite type constraints when stuff comes out of another module 01:53
comborico1611 Since a few new people came in, I'll ask again. Why does Perl use the term routine instead of function? 02:14
timotimo maybe to avoid using the mathematical term for something imperative? 02:15
comborico1611 Routine is a better name, in my opinion. It's more descriptive.
"Imperative" as in giving a command. 02:16
Yes, that's good.
I don't like the term method. I prefer member-function. 02:17
I suppose member-routine is fine.
timotimo well, imperative programming vs functional programming vs object-oriented vs ... 02:18
comborico1611 Reactive is the new one i just learned about. 02:20
ugexe sub is better than fun and shorter than func 02:21
comborico1611 Heh. 02:23
Well, I'm off to bed. Goodnight.
wander squashable6: status 02:37
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geekosaur stack has an open bug to provide a more compatible bindist... someday 02:43
whoops how did I end up in here
TEttinger ugexe: fn 02:48
Geth doc: 758efca10a | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | htmlify.p6
Avoid generate unreachable pages

for example:
  docs.perl6.org/routine/(cont).%E2%88%8B.html
these pages are quite dirty, buggy, never reached unless hardcode url, and their message can be found at, for the example
  docs.perl6.org/routine/%E2%88%8B		 03:35
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Make xtest happy
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Make xtest happy
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ryn1x . 04:34
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committable6 wander, I cannot recognize this command. See wiki for some examples: github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki/Committable
wander The commit is github.com/perl6/doc/commit/1dcf12...a0e4a3b4f5
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SmokeMachine m: sub bla {my $ret = die; CATCH {default {$ret = 42}}; $ret}; say bla # why it doesn’t print 42? 05:36
camelia Nil
SmokeMachine m: my $a = 13; sub bla {my $ret = $a; die; CATCH {default {say $ret; $a = $ret = 42}}; $ret}; say bla; say $a # it removes the $ret’s value 05:47
camelia 13
Nil
42
SmokeMachine m: my $a = 13; sub bla {our $ret = $a; die; CATCH {default {say $ret; $a = $ret = 42}}; $ret}; say bla; say $a
camelia 13
Nil
42
SmokeMachine m: my $a = 13; sub bla {my $ret := $a; die; CATCH {default {say $ret; $ret = 42}}; $ret}; say bla; say $a 05:48
camelia 13
Nil
42
SmokeMachine m: my $a = 13; sub bla {my $ret; {$ret = $a; die; CATCH {default {say $ret; $a = $ret = 42}}}; $ret}; say bla; say $a 05:54
camelia 13
42
42
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Geth doc: a0ae19fc2c | W4anD0eR96++ | 6 files
Dirty fix build fail, put Period.pod6 and Telemetry.pod6 to PR and merge them if build OK
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Geth doc/doc-Telemetry: 96c217a3e7 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Telemetry.pod6
Doc Type/Telemetry

it cause build failure.		 06:41
doc: W4anD0eR96++ created pull request #1658:
Doc Type/Telemetry
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Doc Type/Telemetry::Period

it causes build failure.		 06:43
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Doc Type/Telemetry::Period
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Modify .gitignore to avoid add .DS_store
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Geth doc/patch-01: d1d106182f | W4anD0eR96++ | 2 files
Document Telemetry and Telemetry::Period, lizmat++
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Geth doc: W4anD0eR96++ created pull request #1660:
Document Telemetry and Telemetry::Period, lizmat++		 07:29
squashable6 🍕 W4anD0eR96++ opened pull request “Document Telemetry and Telemetry::Period, lizmat++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1660
azawawi hi 07:41
is passing CStruct by value supported or even tested? 07:43
azawawi i passed a CStruct by value, and dumped its hex output in C and the results were garbled 07:44
azawawi i then passed the same CStruct as rw (Pointer) and it worked as expected 07:45
geekosaur CStruct is always passed as a pointer 07:46
geekosaur structs as values is highly C compiler specific, and best handled by the C compiler itself. that said, I think timotimo was looking at switching NativeCall to use libffi, which claims to be able to do it on all supported platforms (but iirc it doesn't support all the platforms dyncall does) 07:49
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geekosaur likewise returning CStructs as values 07:50
azawawi so what happens if you need to call a C function that expects a CStruct and not a pointer to a CStruct (i.e. without wrapping it) 07:52
geekosaur you have to wrap it
geekosaur it is *always* passed by NativeCall as a pointer; 'is rw' just tells NativeCall to copy the values back into Perl after the call, in case the C function changed things in the pointed-to struct 07:53
azawawi Missed the following: "CStruct objects are passed to native functions by reference and native functions must also return CStruct objects by reference." from documentation :)
geekosaur++
i think this needs to highlighted though
azawawi the nativecall documentation is great but needs examples 07:54
geekosaur probably. It's not that unusual though; it's only recently that libffi supported passing structs by value, and several other languages' FFIs don't try to support struct passing/returning as values (e.g. Haskell)
geekosaur the ones that do support it make you write C code 07:54
(lua, python, perl 5 since XS compiles to C) 07:55
geekosaur s/since/because 07:55
azawawi so basically "Write in C" (c) ... hears the song in the distance :)
thx for the help 07:57
geekosaur++
azawawi lesson learned so far... msgpack-c is a mess :) 07:59
github.com/msgpack/msgpack-c/issues/356 08:00
and given no CStruct forward declarations in Perl 6, there is a lot of wrapping needed 08:01
given that msgpack_object is basically a struct with union of structs with pointers (CArrays) in them... 08:02
github.com/azawawi/perl6-msgpack/b...e.pm6#L191 08:03
azawawi even gptrixie failed on msgpackc given it is written in c99 08:11
i should have seen the warning signs :) 08:12
wander squashable6: status 08:37
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AlexDaniel wooo, 3 hours! Gotta do something 09:01
lizmat: “no squashable feedback anymore ?” commits are already announced by Geth, I thought that there's no need to duplicate 09:02
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited issue “Kernel, Distro, VM and P…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/503
🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited issue “Kernel, Distro, VM and P…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/503 09:03
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🍕 AlexDaniel++ submitted a review on pull request “Document Telemetry and Telemetry::Period, lizmat++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1660#pul...w-74276004 09:17
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on a review for “Document Telemetry and Telemetry::Period, lizmat++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1660#dis...r148951951
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “doc /type/Kernel”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1569 09:29
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🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “Perl type not documented”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/501
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Kernel, Distro, VM and P…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/503 09:30
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Kernel, Distro, VM and P…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/503#is...-341960116
🍕 AlexDaniel++ edited issue “Kernel, Distro, VM, Perl…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/503 09:31
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “How to pipe two Proc::Asyncs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1580#i...-341960253 09:33
🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “How to pipe two Proc::Asyncs”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1580
Geth doc: 80d1de76bd | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Document $aproc.print without awaiting trap

Resolves #1567		 09:51
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/traps
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “$proc.print: ‘foo’; $proc.close-stdin (trap)”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1567
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moritz good morning 10:02
tyil: it seems your App-MPD-Notify upload to CPAN contains a .git directory, which typically shouldn't be the case
ZzZombo_ why is my Grammar::Tracer output is garbled? Like this: 10:04
| directive
| | ws
| | | comment
| | | * [37;42mMATCH "// Dota Units File\n"
| | | comment
| | | * [37;41mFAIL
| | * [37;42mMATCH "// Dota Units File\n"
| * [37;41mFAIL
Geth doc: 7a74e1ee30 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Doc lonely LEAVE block execution trap

Resolves #1539.
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/traps
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “LEAVE trap (my $x = …; LEAVE $x.foo)”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1539
tyil moritz: thanks for the headsup, I'll take a peek later today
ZzZombo_: please use a paste site next time
also, that doesnt look garbled, that looks like it has color codes 10:05
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Document Telemetry and Telemetry::Period, lizmat++”: github.com/perl6/doc/pull/1660#iss...-341961788 10:06
wander ZzZombo_: it works well on Terminal with xterm-256color 10:10
ZzZombo_ I'm on Windows 10.
wander maybe we should provide a non-colored version, but now, you can clone grammar-debug and modify `sub color` 10:16
so sad it sounds :( maybe there is a better way
tyil not using windows :>
moritz tyil: fwiw this is how I build my CPAN uploads: tar --transform 's,^,Grammar-Error-Reporting-0.2/,' -czf Grammar-ErrorReporting-0.2.tar.gz $(git ls-files) 10:17
Geth doc: d87f7f13bd | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Document «» traps

Resolves #1369		 10:33
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/traps
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “%h«$x» is a trap”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1369
AlexDaniel squashable6: status
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ZzZombo_ So according to github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/11...254250445, color codes processing was changed deliberately; either Perl 6 itself should enable it, or somehow program it launches, but how then? 11:03
Anybody to comment?
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Geth doc: e63a96ba2d | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Document $proc.stdout without .lines trap

Resolves #1591. As mentioned in the issue, there's a neat way to detrap this problem. But right now we're just documenting issues and this commit should be enough to close the ticket.		 11:09
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “$proc.stdout is shorter …”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1591
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AlexDaniel come on people! We can go below 280! 11:12
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AlexDaniel squashable6: status 11:13
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Geth doc: 29c5ebe198 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Document ｢if %h<a b>:exists｣ trap

Resolves #1242		 11:30
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/traps
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “Another possible trap: %h<a b>:exists”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1242
Geth doc: 06bab54149 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Fix pod problem
 11:32
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HoboWithAShotgun good localtime() you lot 11:45
what's the name of that catch-all method again?
Geth doc: 6519ef5399 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
[Z] and the transpose of a list-of-lists trap

Resolves #1400		 11:46
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/traps
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “/language/traps should w…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1400
Geth doc: 7224e9024e | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Make the spell checker happy
 11:47
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “/language/traps should w…”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/1400#i...-341967168
AlexDaniel squashable6: status 11:48
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AlexDaniel geez! OK one more! 11:49
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perlawhirl bisectable6: say (1..3).max(-> $i { $i })
bisectable6 perlawhirl, On both starting points (old=2015.12 new=d5fc6cb) the exit code is 1 and the output is identical as well
perlawhirl, Output on both points: «Too many positionals passed; expected 1 argument but got 2␤ in block <unit> at /tmp/bdqkS9eeMo line 1␤»
travis-ci Doc build passed. Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev 'Fix pod problem' 11:55
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Geth doc: 1d0c7299ff | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | doc/Language/traps.pod6
Document .lc/.uc/.fc trap

Resolves #994		 11:57
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/traps
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “Case-insensitive string …”: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/994
AlexDaniel squashable6: status 11:58
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AlexDaniel whew!
whew! 12:00
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lizmat whee!
HoboWithAShotgun how do I do this: hastebin.com/ikeneyecac.php without having to make b readwrite? 12:06
HoboWithAShotgun I can't use $!b 12:07
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geekosaur if you can't use $!b then you have to make it rw 12:08
wander m: use Test;class Foo { has $.a = "a"; has $.b = "b" ; }; class Bar is Foo { has $.b = "B"; }; $_ = Bar.new( :a("A") ); ok .a ~~ "A" && .b ~~ "B"; 12:09
camelia ok 1 -
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HoboWithAShotgun that's exactly what i wanted to avoid wander :) 12:09
lizmat m: class A { has $.a is rw = "a" }; class B is A { method TWEAK(:$.a = "b") { } }; dd B.new # HoboWithAShotgun 12:10
wander well
camelia B.new(a => "b")
lizmat you *can* use :$.a
which is just another way to write self.a
but fits better in signatures :-)
HoboWithAShotgun yes, bt that still requires rw 12:12
lizmat HoboWithAShotgun: yes, that's true 12:14
HoboWithAShotgun: the alternative is to make A a role: 12:15
role A { has $.a = "a" }; class B does A { method TWEAK(:$!a = "b") { } }; dd B.new(a => 42)
m: role A { has $.a = "a" }; class B does A { method TWEAK(:$!a = "b") { } }; dd B.new(a => 42)
camelia B.new(a => 42)
lizmat m: role A { has $.a = "a" }; class B does A { method TWEAK(:$!a = "b") { } }; dd B.new 12:16
camelia B.new(a => "b")
lizmat m: role A { has $.a = "a" }; class B does A { method TWEAK(:$!a = "b") { } }; dd A.new
camelia A.new(a => "a")
lizmat you will still get to use A as a class, as it will autopun the role into a class as soon as it's used as a class
basically doing a "class :: does A { }" for you
brb& 12:17
wander lizmat: do we have something like `super` to invoke parent class in a child class? 12:28
self invoke the object itself
super invoke its parent
thus we can pass message from child to parent
lizmat wander: there's only one object 12:29
which happens to have attributes from the parent and attributes from the child
wander yes
lizmat wander: perhaps "trusts" is what you need? docs.perl6.org/routine/trusts 12:30
geekosaur I was thinking something like callsame / nextsame 12:32
wander geekosaur: that's it
wander m: use Test;class A { has $.a = "a"; has $.b = "b"; }; class B is A { method new(*%args) { my %hash = %args; %hash<b> //= 'B'; nextwith(|(%hash.Capture)); } }; $_ = B.new( :a("A")); ok .a ~~ "A" && .b ~~ "B"; 12:52
camelia ok 1 -
wander HoboWithAShotgun: ^^ 12:53
dakkar jnthn: Cro queston: how would I implement a ::Router-based transformer that "wraps" another one? for authentication purposes, for example 13:26
get -> *@, :$user!, :$pass! { if authentication-ok($user,$pass) { go-ahead-to-the-inner-transformer(...) } else { forbidden ... } } 13:27
how do I do the "go-ahead-" part?
alternatively, what's the smarter way of doing this?
HoboWithAShotgun allright, in here: hastebin.com/qumiqosabo.pl, is there a way to not having to tell the type Foo as a string? 13:28
basically can a role know who is "doing" it?
lizmat HoboWithAShotgun: is it intentional that there is only one instance ? 13:29
HoboWithAShotgun That is indeed the point. yes :) 13:29
dakkar HoboWithAShotgun: the invocant to a method will be the type object, won't it? 13:30
also, you have one $instance per process, regardless of how many clasess consume the role
HoboWithAShotgun oh. 13:31
lizmat m: class A { my $self; method new(|c) { $self //= $self.bless(|c) }}; dd A.new =:= A.new # HoboWithAShotgun 13:33
camelia Bool::True
lizmat m: class A { my $self; method new(|c) { $self //= self.bless(|c) }}; dd A.new =:= A.new # oops, second should be without $
camelia Bool::True
lizmat if you don't have any parameters to the .new: 13:35
lizmat m: class A { my $self = A.bless; method new() { $self }}; dd A.new =:= A.new 13:35
camelia Bool::True
dakkar HoboWithAShotgun: hastebin.com/gifudokotu.hs 13:36
(keep in mind that I'm not very good with perl6)
HoboWithAShotgun dakkar: yeah, that's basically what i came up with too 13:40
dakkar lizmat: how terrible is my code? ☺
HoboWithAShotgun or better said, i would have.
dakkar important bug remaninig: you can't pass positionals to the constructor 13:41
census can someone please look at my code? pastebin.com/VP6wJy4A
HoboWithAShotgun but this works: hastebin.com/esanakegoq.swift
census In line 13, I'm getting an error that says 'malformed UTF-8 in block <unit>' 13:42
dakkar census: does your input file contain well-formed UTF-8 byte sequences? 13:43
census dakkar oh i understand sorry i freaked out 13:45
dakkar extra pairs of eyes are always useful 😜
although, if the implicit decoder told you where it's reading from and what it found, figuring out the problem would be easier 13:46
(but I suspect that it's quite a bit harder to do than to say, given the many layers involved)
lizmat dakkar: have to go now, will look at it when I'm back& 13:52
dakkar lizmat: nah, it was just a "request for nit-picking" ☺ have fun! 13:53
SmokeMachine m: sub bla {my $ret = die; CATCH {default {$ret = 42}}; $ret}; say bla # why it doesn’t print 42? 14:06
camelia Nil
SmokeMachine But this works:
m: sub bla {my $ret {$ret = die; CATCH {default {$ret = 42}}}; $ret}; say bla # why it doesn’t print 42? 14:07
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unexpected block in infix position (missing statement control word before the expression?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub bla {my $ret7⏏5 {$ret = die; CATCH {default {$ret = 42}
expecting any o…
SmokeMachine m: sub bla {my $ret; {$ret = die; CATCH {default {$ret = 42}}}; $ret}; say bla # why it doesn’t print 42?
camelia 42
HoboWithAShotgun allright, somebody want to try and break this? github.com/holli-holzer/perl6-Singleton 14:38
AlexDaniel .tell lizmat weekly report gist.github.com/AlexDaniel/5abca8a...dad53d17bf 14:42
yoleaux AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
census dakkar you still around? 15:04
dakkar I am!
census i'm trying to write another code. would you please be willing to take a look at it? 15:05
jnthn dakkar: Cro works less in terms of "wrapping" and more in terms of a linear pipeline. For auth, I'd approach it in the same way that we handle HTTP2 ping/window update/settings ack: have something in the pipeline ahead of request processing that applies the auth checks, and if it wants to bypass the rest, then emits the response into a Supplier in ConnectionState, and the another step in the processing pipeline later subscribes to that and spits i 15:06
census pastebin.com/23Ed68Bw
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dakkar jnthn: ooh. that sounds completely differet to anything I was thinking ☺ I'll study the HTTP2 code and ask again when I get confused. thanks! 15:07
jnthn dakkar: The plan is to wrap that bit of plumbing up into something a bit more high-level, to save people having to wire it up every time.
jnthn ConnectionState is the thing to grep for 15:07
dakkar thanks!
dakkar census: keep in mind that I actually know quite little about perl6, I'm still learning the basics! (mostly by finding bugs in libraries and sending patches, apparently) 15:08
census dakkar i completely understand. if you have any feedback about why my code might not be working, i'd be extremely grateful 15:09
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jnthn On auth stuff in general, my thinking is to add something to the request object that carries an "identity", and also provide access to it in the route signature 15:09
dakkar I'm not ever sure what you expect it to do…
dakkar jnthn: oh, so I could do «get -> 'something', :$user is identity { ... }» 15:11
jnthn So if it was a JWT with a bunch of permissions, one could write Admin :$user is identity, having declared subset Admin where *.perms.any eq 'admin'
dakkar clever!
dakkar oh, another detail I'm not sure about: if I have multiple routes that could match a request, which one is picked? narrower, first, last? 15:13
random? ☺
jnthn No, the rules are actually quite Perl 6-y :)
See near the end of the cro.services/docs/reference/cro-htt...t_matching docs 15:14
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jnthn The rules are inspired by Perl 6's LTM semantics (the longest literal part) and multi-dispatch semantics (the other parts) 15:16
The first bit being handy because it means we can compile the route table into regex and then let Perl 6 build an NFA to do the route matching for us 15:17
dakkar I should actually read the docs, you know. I was going to reverse-engineer the matcher compiler to figure out the logic ☺
(or maybe I could have looked at the tests) 15:18
jnthn That may be more fun ;)
jnthn away for a bit 15:21
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In the MyModule example, the stubbed class and sub caused an error when called.
Modified the MakeQuestionable example to match the output text (used join on list to provide the spaces).		 16:15
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f0x how can I restrict an object to be either 1, 2, 3 or 4? 16:26
sena_kun m: subset B where * == 1|2|3|4; my B $b = 3; say $b++; say $b++; 16:28
camelia 3
Type check failed in assignment to $b; expected B but got Int (5)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
moritz m: subset one-to-four of Int where 1..4; say 1 ~~ one-to-four; say 5 ~~ one-to-four
camelia True
False
AlexDaniel m: subset C where 1 ≤ * ≤ 4; my B $b = 3.5; say $b 16:39
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Type 'B' is not declared
at <tmp>:1
------> 3subset C where 1 ≤ * ≤ 4; my B7⏏5 $b = 3.5; say $b
Malformed my
at <tmp>:1
------> 3subset C where 1 ≤ * ≤ 4; my7⏏5 B $b = 3.5; say $b
AlexDaniel m: subset C where 1 ≤ * ≤ 4; my C $b = 3.5; say $b
camelia 3.5
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comborico1611 Is the rule that semicolon is added to the end of a code block brace, is that a recent development? 17:03
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moritz comborico1611: you need to separate statements with a semicolon, a statement ends with }\n 17:12
comborico1611 Are you saying a statement can end with either a semicolon, brace, or new line? 17:13
moritz no 17:14
comborico1611 The author has yet to use };
moritz I'm saying that you need to separate statements with a semicolon, which means the semicolon after the last statement in a block or a file is optional
and you don't need one if the previous statement ended with a } *and* there is a newline after it 17:15
comborico1611 Yeah when I enter his code into this terminal thing, it errors unless I put };
moritz m: sub f() { 1 } sub g() { }
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3sub f() { 1 }7⏏5 sub g() { }
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end…
moritz here there is no newline after the }
so you need a semicolon 17:16
m: sub f() { 1 }; sub g() { }
camelia ( no output )
moritz or a newline:
m: sub f() { 1 }␤ sub g() { }
camelia ( no output )
moritz (camelia translates ␤ into actual newlines on input, and vice versa on output) 17:16
comborico1611 OHH! 17:17
The issue is because I'm entering this code on my phone, and I'm not indenting anything.
You get me? 17:22
So the indent feature is very similar to pythons indent feature, where you don't need a semicolon. 17:25
dakkar uh… there's no "indent feature" 17:26
just "close-brace + newline, terminates the statement"
that's all there is
comborico1611 If you enter code all in one line, you must use close brace semicolon. But if you and dents you don't need to put the semicolon after every code block (except the last one). 17:27
moritz it's the newline that's important, not the indention
comborico1611 I see. 17:28
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My last commit's fault		 17:38
gfldex lolibloggedalittle: gfldex.wordpress.com/2017/11/05/racing-rakudo/ 17:40
timotimo gfldex: is "stay tuning" a pun or typo? 17:41
gfldex all my typos are puntastic! 17:42
lizmat gfldex++ # I'm tempted to just import your httpd code into Telemetry
gfldex was meant as a pun tho
lizmat: it needs a little more error handling first 17:43
timotimo OK
lizmat gfldex: ok, well I have another idea to play with
basically Telemetry atm is two sets of Telemetry data: from nqp::rusage, and from ThreadPoolScheduler 17:44
I was thinking of abstracting these into an Telemetry::Instrument::Rusage and a Telemetry::Instrument::ThreadPool
and creating a Telemetry::Instrument role with which you could create your own "instruments" 17:45
jdv79 what's the simplest way to handle daylight savings in p6 17:46
lizmat jdv79: standard p6 is timezone agnostic afaik, so there is no handling ? 17:47
jdv79 i realize that. hence my question.
lizmat modules.perl6.org/dist/DateTime::Ti...y%20Totten ?? 17:49
jdv79 i guess 17:50
dakkar dst is part of timezone info, which is a mess because humans 17:51
oh, that library looks a bit misguided… 17:53
(a tz is a pair of functions between a human-readable representation of a point in time, and the actual point in time) 17:55
jdv79 m: DateTime.now.earlier(days => 1).truncated-to('day'); 17:59
camelia ( no output )
jdv79 m: DateTime.now.earlier(days => 1).truncated-to('day').day;
camelia ( no output )
jdv79 m: DateTime.now.earlier(days => 1).truncated-to('day').say;
camelia 2017-11-04T00:00:00+01:00
jdv79 well for me that's confusing because the TZ offset of y'day is -5 accoring to perl6 but it was actually 4
-4
i'm in ET 18:00
in other words, DateTime allows for non-instanct manipulation but fouls the TZ 18:01
dakkar jdv79: DateTime seems to have no idea what a timezone is 18:03
it seems to only know offsets
(which are almost always the wrong thing to care about)
«Int :$timezone» aaargh
I suspect that the DateTime class is a bit sub-optimal at date/time math 18:04
timotimo dakkar: in minutes
dakkar no
timotimo oh
dakkar a timezone is not an offset
a timezone is a pair of functions, DateTime --> Int
jdv79 its still troublesome that the class offers higher level manip but doesn't carry the offset through them
dakkar argh, sorry, not that signature
jdv79 i find it confusing
dakkar a timezone is a pair of functions to convert between point-in-time, and human-readable representations of points-in-time 18:05
so maybe DateTime --> Instant, and Instant --> DateTime
e.g. timezone "Europe/Rome" converts posix-epoch+1509905188seconds into "Sun Nov 5 19:06:28 CET 2017" 18:06
or something like that 18:07
an offset is part of that conversion
or maybe it's just the result of diffing two human representations of the same instant, using different tz 18:08
(why am I trying to channel Zefram??)
Zoffix Wassup dudes, duddettes, and roboduds? 18:12
huggable: advent
huggable Zoffix, Sign up to write an Advent blog post: github.com/perl6/mu/blob/master/mi...7/schedule
Zoffix Signup to write an Advent Post! \o/ Lots of spaces left so don't be shy 18:13
comborico1611 Hello. 18:15
AlexDaniel o/ 18:16
Zoffix \o
census hi Zoffix ! 18:17
Zoffix hello
AlexDaniel
.oO( Seqs, Drugs and pick'n'roll )
 18:21
Zoffix regrets not comming up with that... 18:25
comborico1611 My @evens = map { $ * 2 }, 1..5; say @evens;
m: my @evens = map { $ * 2 }, 1..5; say @evens; 18:26
camelia Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context
[0 0 0 0 0]
in block at <tmp> line 1
Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context
in block at <tmp> line 1
Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context…
Zoffix comborico1611: it's $_ not $
comborico1611 m: my @evens = map { $_ * 2 }, 1..5; say @evens; 18:27
camelia [2 4 6 8 10]
comborico1611 Ty
m: my @evens = map { * 2 }, 1..5; say @evens;
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Two terms in a row
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my @evens = map { *7⏏5 2 }, 1..5; say @evens;
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
statement…
Zoffix m: my @evens = map * × 2, 1..5; say @evens
camelia [2 4 6 8 10]
comborico1611 Ty
Why does it matter not including braces? 18:28
Zoffix comborico1611: first, your last version is missing a term for the LHS of the `*` operator. Second, if you added that you'd have a block WITH a WhateverCode inside (and it either errors out or warns). Without braces it's just a WhateverCode, which is used instead of a Block as a Callable object given to `map` to map with 18:29
comborico1611 I mean, what changed?
LHS?
Zoffix Left Hand Side 18:30
LHS (some operator) RHS
comborico1611 Oh!
Zoffix You *can* see × in my version right? It's the Unicode version of the multiplcation operator. The code would be looking very confusing on your side if it's not renderring for you
comborico1611 Yes, i 3 18:31
See it
Zoffix m: my @evens = map * * 2, 1..5; say @evens # can write this too. The first `*` is a term because there the language expects a term, so here it means "make WhateverCode" and second one is an operator because the language expects a term to be followed by an op, so there it's just a multiplication
camelia [2 4 6 8 10]
Zoffix m: (* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *)(|(1..20)).say 18:32
camelia 2432902008176640000
Zoffix ^_^
comborico1611 Crazy.
HoboWithAShotgun oh boy, i just ate half a ananas.
Zoffix Doesn't sound like a lot :) 18:33
comborico1611 Thank you.
HoboWithAShotgun i never heard noises like this
MadHatter42 hi anyone 18:36
Zoffix \o
AlexDaniel o/
HoboWithAShotgun anyone? 18:37
MadHatter42 can anyone help me with ping in perl 6
couldnt find much resources
HoboWithAShotgun: that was a terrible movie xD
HoboWithAShotgun is confused. what movie? 18:38
AlexDaniel looks for Vasili
Zoffix Sneak-peek at one of the spreads in the upcoming redesign of our marketing brochure: twitter.com/zoffix/status/927189904257437696
Zoffix vanishes into the shadows
MadHatter42 HoboWithAShotgun: there is a movie called Hobo With A Shotgun 18:39
AlexDaniel (another relevant movie: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr0JaXfKj68 )
MadHatter42 can anyone help me with that ping thing ?
HoboWithAShotgun heh, didn't know that 18:40
comborico1611 Nice photo! I wonder which one is you.
MadHatter42 anyone? :/ 18:41
AlexDaniel MadHatter42: sure, but I don't fully understand… what are you trying to do? 18:42
MadHatter42 i want to use the equivalent of Net::Ping in perl 6
if there is one 18:46
AlexDaniel MadHatter42: I don't see an equivalent perl 6 module, but what about this: 18:46
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AlexDaniel MadHatter42: use Net::Ping:from<Perl5>; my $p = Net::Ping.new(); my $host = ‘google.com’; print "$host is alive.\n" if $p.ping($host);'
MadHatter42 AlexDaniel: thank you for the reference but I have a fully working perl 5 code, just thought to gradually shift to the new stuff
AlexDaniel MadHatter42: I mean, that code sample is basically using a perl 5 module 18:48
MadHatter42: which you can do if you have Inline::Perl5 installed
MadHatter42 yeah i know
now i'm curious why didnt they ported that module to perl 6 18:49
maybe perl 6 its not being used for sysadmin stuff anymore :/
AlexDaniel huggable: most wanted
huggable AlexDaniel, github.com/perl6/perl6-most-wanted...modules.md
AlexDaniel MadHatter42: I think it's listed as “Ping” in github.com/perl6/perl6-most-wanted...networking
Geth doc: jstuder-gh++ created pull request #1661:
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ugexe if you didnt use perl5 it would not be a gradual shift 19:11
AlexDaniel MadHatter42: ｢run ‘ping’, …｣ is not an option, right? :) 19:14
MadHatter42: but yeah, it would be great if somebody created a Ping module… 19:15
MadHatter42 AlexDaniel: thanks man
but again, i already have something working on perl 5 and its properly written
just wanted something to learn perl 6 with
and usually i go with small monitoring / microservice tasks
lizmat MadHatter42: have you looked at cro ? 19:18
mi.cro.services ? 19:19
MadHatter42 lizmat: checking
lizmat: looks nice 19:20
i mostly use message hub as an architecture, trying to stay away from rest but this looks nice
lizmat: but again, if basic tools like ping are missing i'm sticking wiht perl 5 a bit more :/ 19:21
timotimo surely it'd be simple to implement with NativeCall ... 19:24
though i'm not sure why you'd not just call ping instead 19:26
alternatively use Net::Ping:from<Perl5> 19:27
comborico1611 m: my @letters = 'a'..'c'; for @letters.kv { say "$^a -> $^b" ; } 19:31
camelia 0 -> a
1 -> b
2 -> c
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Avoid "found duplicate index entry Phasers at #i442 #i443 #i444 #i445 #i446 #i447 #i448 #i449 #i450 #i451 #i452 #i453 #i454 #i455 #i456 #i457 #i458 #i459 #i460"
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comborico1611 m: my @letters = 'a'..'c'; for @letters.k { say "$^a" ; } 19:32
camelia No such method 'k' for invocant of type 'Array'. Did you mean 'kv'?
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
comborico1611 m: my @letters = 'a'..'c'; for keys @letters { say "$^a" ; } 19:33
camelia 0
1
2
comborico1611 m: my @letters = 'a'..'c'; for keys @letters { say $_ ; } 19:34
camelia 0
1
2
comborico1611 What is an anonymous block? 19:35
Same as anonymous routine? 19:36
lizmat but even less than that 19:37
you cannot return from a block 19:38
you *can* from a routine
a "return" in a block will try to find the first outer sub and return from that
comborico1611 Why are they used?
comborico1611 *Agent Smith voice -- Mr. Foobar 19:44
lizmat comborico1611: every time you use an "if" or a "for" you are using an anonymous block 19:44
if $foo { this is an anonymous block } 19:45
comborico1611 Ahh! Thank you.
lizmat m: if 42 { say $^a }
camelia 42
lizmat mind you, that case doesn't set $_ by default, but it could it you want to 19:46
m: if 42 -> $_ { say $_ }
camelia 42
comborico1611 I see! Thank you! 19:49
Geth doc/patch-01: f39b63efd4 | (Alex Chen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Telemetry.pod6
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perllover can anybody please look at some perl6 code i'm struggling with? 21:49
HelpWithPerl Wow that timeout wave 21:58
HoboWithAShotgun can i create and export operators at runtime? I don't like the repetition in this class 22:15
hastebin.com/padeqopusi.pl
perllover AlexDaniel you still around? 23:27
AlexDaniel yeah
perllover sorry i took a much needed nap
AlexDaniel :) 23:27
HoboWithAShotgun got this working ( hastebin.com/epaxaveraj.pl ) and finds a nap sounds like an excellent idea 23:42
ugexe using double quotes inside an already similarly typed double quoted string? 23:48
didnt know that worked inside { }
AlexDaniel that's pretty common in bash too :) 23:49
HoboWithAShotgun one lightyear equals 3.7e17 inches. 23:52
that's a lot 23:53
:)
jnthn m: say (-42)."{"ad".subst(/"d"/, { "{$/.Str.pred.pred}s" })}"() # ouch :) 23:54
camelia 42
HoboWithAShotgun jnthn is wielding black magic again. 23:56
m: say (-42)."abs"() 23:57
camelia 42 23:58
HoboWithAShotgun haha
perllover AlexDaniel like this? pastebin.com/NgdQY7j9 23:59

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