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Geth doc: randyl++ created pull request #2171:
Google search option		 00:11
doc: 764b0e76cd | (Randy Lauen)++ | template/search_template.js
add extra menu item at the bottom for site search
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doc: 55eeb54412 | (Randy Lauen)++ | 10 files
Merge branch 'master' into google-search-option
doc: 74d38f66a8 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | template/search_template.js
Merge pull request #2171 from randyl/google-search-option

Google search option
Geth doc/dmaestro-correct-temperature-example: 8020bdb666 | dmaestro++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Real.pod6
Do the correct Fahrenheit to Kelvin conversion.

Fix the Fahrenheit to Kelvin / Celsius factor, and update expected result.		 00:23
doc: dmaestro++ created pull request #2172:
Do the correct Fahrenheit to Kelvin conversion.		 00:25
Geth doc: 8020bdb666 | dmaestro++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Real.pod6
Do the correct Fahrenheit to Kelvin conversion.

Fix the Fahrenheit to Kelvin / Celsius factor, and update expected result.		 00:32
doc: b3abae1430 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Real.pod6
Merge pull request #2172 from perl6/dmaestro-correct-temperature-example

Do the correct Fahrenheit to Kelvin conversion.
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Real
Geth doc: 9fd6df1b96 | dmaestro++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Cool.pod6
Fix broken linke to 'traps'

Added missing parens to match the section fragment correctly		 00:45
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Cool
benjikun If I'm relying on user input for what I'm using to create a date object, e.g. '2017-08-30' and Date.new($inputtedText) 01:04
What's the best way to verify that the date could be correctly parsed without exitting and without using a try block 01:05
should I just CATCH in this case?
geekosaur hrm. shouldn't that produce a Failure instead of a hard error? 01:06
benjikun geekosaur: Died for me with the signatures not matching 01:07
[Coke] m: say Date.new('this is crap').WHAT
camelia Invalid Date string 'this is crap'; use yyyy-mm-dd instead
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
geekosaur yes, thatr's what I'm saying
it really oiught to package that in a Failure and let you catch it
[Coke] m: my $a = try Date.new('this is crap'); say $a.WHAT;
camelia (Any)
benjikun just didn't know if try was the best option for avoiding a crash 01:08
geekosaur currently yes, it looks like
benjikun mk, ty 01:09
geekosaur or if there's a compatibility issue, maybe a named parameter to switch it to producing a Failure instead of a hard exception
Geth doc: ed239210e9 | (Randy Lauen)++ | template/header.html
change wording of no-results message to match the new site-search menu item
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Geth doc: 7ebdcf6a6d | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/101-basics.pod6
Eliminates intro

Which was probably OK for the book, but the reference to Perl is probably not needed. Since this intro is pretty much complete and adapted to the site, this closes #2145.
It might be interesting to add links to other parts of the documentation, but so far I think it's ready.		 03:32
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/101-basics
Geth doc: kjkuan++ created pull request #2173:
Correct and clarify some parts of ruby-to-perl6 nutshell.		 03:51
fake_space_whale Do perl 6 grammars support assigning scores to different parsings of a string like if one was doing natural language processing? 04:09
moritz fake_space_whale: no, they are designed for determinitic parsing 05:03
fake_space_whale thank you 05:04
Geth doc: aeb66b4da0 | (Jack Kuan)++ | 2 files
Correct and clarify some parts of ruby-to-perl6 nutshell.

Also fixed the Dockerfile so that make docker-htmlify works. Specifically, I made it no longer purge the buildDeps because when npm install in highlights/, it needs build-essentials to compile some native module.		 05:12
doc: e5ea303291 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2 files
Merge pull request #2173 from kjkuan/fix-dockerfile-and-rb2p6

Correct and clarify some parts of ruby-to-perl6 nutshell.
Tison m: say $*KERNEL.hostname 06:07
camelia No such method 'hostname' for invocant of type 'Kernel'
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
masak AlexDaniel: I'll try to upgrade my Rakudo and run Yapsi's test suite on it. 06:27
yoleaux 12 Jul 2018 16:01Z <AlexDaniel> masak: can you please take a look at github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2057 ?
12 Jul 2018 16:02Z <AlexDaniel> masak: tests simply say that things did not compile, without any error or other help. I can investigate later, but for now that's all I see
masak (hi, #perl6)
moritz \o 06:33
masak hm, the error seems path-dependent 06:42
Geth doc: 0141e994d9 | Coke++ | doc/Language/rb-nutshell.pod6
whitespace
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doc: 8ad77c01e6 | Coke++ | doc/Language/rb-nutshell.pod6
avoid dd, pass xt/examples*
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masak or rather, the error happens a few iterations into running exactly the same code 06:52
seems to happen even at --optimize=0
hm, it also fails a little bit indeterministically 07:05
though usually after 4..5 iterations
masak ooh, now I've minimized enough that I get a stacktrace :) 07:13
that should simplify things
masak minimizing the code (predictably) pushes up the number of iterations 07:16
maybe this is GC-related?
moritz masak: have you tried setting MVM_SPESH_DISABLE=1 07:22
as an environment variable?
moritz --optimize=0 only disables static optimizations 07:22
masak no, haven't tried that 07:25
I hypothesize that it'll make the thing go away -- trying :) 07:26
...yep, confirmed
AlexDaniel it should be a spesh issue
yeah
masak ok, down to 35 lines of code
from about 600
I expect to be able to turn this into a one-liner soonish
AlexDaniel that sounds awesome, thanks 07:27
masak tangentially, I'm happy Yapsi delivers at least this kind of service nowadays ;)
AlexDaniel still has 8 modules to check… this release is fun :) 07:28
some releases I don't even have to bisect, but this one is definitely more interesting
masak 18 lines. 07:35
AlexDaniel .seen shinobi 07:43
yoleaux I haven't seen shinobi around.
masak 14 lines.
8 lines. 07:45
AlexDaniel well, at least it will be closed with tests :) 07:46
masak m: "" ~~ /{ (make 0 for 0) }/ && .say for ^100 07:49
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Cannot bind attributes in a Nil type object
in regex at <tmp> line 1
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masak AlexDaniel: got it :)
AlexDaniel bisect: "" ~~ /{ (make 0 for 0) }/ && .say for ^100
bisectable6 AlexDaniel, Bisecting by exit code (old=2015.12 new=612d071). Old exit code: 0
AlexDaniel, bisect log: gist.github.com/ed649b6223c24af74a...a5b3ff4f71
AlexDaniel, (2018-07-09) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/c2...356201cc21
AlexDaniel yeah, that's the one :)
masak that's that bump commit again
anyway, I hope that helps 07:50
AlexDaniel masak: leave a comment on the ticket plz
with the golf
masak doing so now.
AlexDaniel masak: thanks ♥
masak no worries. I love a good golf. 07:55
masak someone should write a sticky note and put it on my desk: "when masak says 'it happens after a few iterations, is it the GC?', then it's spesh" :P 08:02
is there a way to bisect on MoarVM versions? 08:15
I see a lot of spesh work in the latest bump -- it would probably help immensely if we could locate which MoarVM commit caused the failure
s/versions/commits/ 08:16
Altreus I see two implementations of lazy. Is either preferred? 08:32
moritz Altreus: which implementations are you talking about? 08:47
samebchase I'm writing some introductory code in a file, and running it with `perl6 first.pm`. I want to know how I can leave the REPL running and repeatedly keep "loading" the file there as I make changes. Kinda like "import <filename>" in the Python interpreter. 09:07
lookatme perl6 -I. -Mfirst 09:10
samebchase, try this
samebchase lookatme: cool, now how do I reload the file while the REPL is still running. Basically, I want to start the REPL /first/ and then load files into it, as necessary. 09:12
Is there some kind of reload module command?
lookatme reload ?? IDK
in the REPL, you can also using this sentence `use lib '.'; use first;` load the module 09:14
but IDK how to reload it
off work now :) bye
samebchase lookatme: thanks so much! 09:15
AlexDaniel zostay: any news? :) 10:48
Altreus moritz: There's AttrX::Lazy and Attribute::Lazy 10:53
secondarily, is lazy on the roadmap for core? 10:54
AlexDaniel lazy attributes, interesting 10:57
Altreus: it's not on the roadmap
jnthn However, `is cached` on methods *is* something we have in mind, and were considering making the cache per instance. 10:58
lizmat hmmm... wonder of Object::Trampoline could work there
jnthn For putting off a computation until first needed that seems much more natural. I mean, the storage is an implementation detail in that case.
lizmat has $.dbh = trampoline { DBIish.connect( ... ) }; 10:59
Altreus I saw `is cached` in one of those docs but it had the proviso that the lazy attribute did it if it wasn't provided at constructor time
jkramer In a sub that takes some code/callable as argument, can I specify the arity or even signature of that argument? 11:29
I'm sure I've asked this before, this situation seems very familiar :D
lizmat &code where *.arity == 1 11:30
off the top of my head
m: say { ... }.arity
camelia 0
lizmat m: say -> $a { ... }.arity 11:31
camelia 1
jkramer lizmat: That works, thanks!
tyil Guido is stepping down from his Python role www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/13/p...sum_quits/ 11:34
lizmat yeah, it was all over the (Hacker) News yesterday 11:35
tyil wow
I only just heard it on some obscure irc channel
lizmat my take: Python is now going through the motions that Perl did in the late 1990 11:36
's
tyil I wasn't using Perl back then, so I don't know what that will entail
lizmat think flamewars on p5p with 500+ messages a day 11:39
tyil ah
lizmat I didn't notice that all of that had happened until I was trying to index the p5p mailing list for a search engine 11:41
and started wondering why things were so slow in indexing on some days
(this was 2003)
Juerd Python got a nice new feature that imho was long overdue, but they paid a very high price :( 11:46
Juerd (I do think a more generic solution (perhaps like Perl's "do BLOCK") to allow any statement in an expression might have been nicer, but apparently the other thing was controversial enough by itself) 11:47
"If using a flavour of the month language means that Perl finally crawls away and dies then thats good enough for me." -- forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2...#c_3565594 11:49
I wonder what kind of trauma happened to people who are hateful like that. 11:50
jkramer :D
timotimo matt's script archive maybe? 11:51
jkramer I was once asked by some guy if perl was supported by git because it's so old... I didn't know quite what to respond to that.
Juerd jkramer: My standard reply is "C is older. Works fine." 11:52
jkramer Juerd: Yeah that's the obvious response, I was just wondering too long about whether he was joking or actually an idiot, then the moment was over :)
I still don't know to this day. 11:53
AlexDaniel jkramer: organize a git basics workshop and invite them to it
Juerd "git even works well with pure ascii" 11:54
jkramer I'd rather not. :)
Juerd: But HOW?! isn't ASCII too old? 11:55
Juerd jkramer: Compatibility mode, I reckon
jkramer Juerd: Is that the one where you change linebreaks from \n to \r\n? 11:56
Juerd jkramer: But I tried and it doesn't seem to care about the lack of emoji.
jkramer Oh jeez, that reminds me of my driving teacher ~10 years ago trying to explain to me how gear changes work with a computer analogy because he know I'm in IT 11:57
I almost had an accident because I laughed so hard. 11:58
He was like "you know, when you're at your computer and you have to programs and one of them runs really fast and the other one is very slow... That can't work!! And it's the same with changing from a high gear to lower one at high speed and vice versa" 11:59
*two
"In the end your computer will break!"
lizmat well, *that* part he got right :-) 12:00
that's why we make backups :-)
jkramer I don't need backups, I just make sure all programs are running at the same speed.
masak Juerd: I think besides the fact that it's simply fashionable to hate on Perl, the fact is that the great majority of people who have seen only a little Perl have probably seen very badly written Perl. 12:08
put differently, I think it's mostly people who are well-versed/experienced in Perl that also come across Perl code worth emulating in style and structure 12:09
Summertime its hard for outsiders to tell the difference between badly and goodly written perl :u 12:10
masak no, I don't think so, really
tadzik eh, generally outsiders only recognize syntactic clarity, at bets
tadzik the complexity itself is usually not skin-deep, syntactic 12:11
I've seen plenty of awful python even if it looked okay at a glance :)
masak you're saying that language haters are superficial and fail to take a wider context into account...? :P 12:30
tadzik :P
shocking :0 12:31
masak sometimes I wonder whether a "programmer's driver's test" could have as a part of it "I know that syntax and semantics are different things"
at least it would under my Malovelent Dictatorship, mwha 12:32
Malevolent*
tadzik masak: I head there's an opening for that recently... ;)
just remember to keep a lot of whitespace in your resume 12:33
masak right, because (as we just learned from the above discussion) whitespace is the _only_ distinguishing_ feature of... whatever language it is you're talking about
tadzik for @sure {} 12:34
jkramer m: my $x = 0; say (^10).map: { $x ++ + $++ } 12:45
camelia (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
jkramer m: my $x = 0; say (^10).map: { $x ++ + $++ }; say $x
camelia (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
0
jkramer Shouldn't this either increase $x or show some warning? What does the standalone ++ do here? 12:46
jnthn It's not 12:47
masak at a guess, you got three prefix + in a row
jnthn It'd be an infix + followed by two prefix +s
masak right, that
jkramer And the prefix ++ applies to $? Shouldn't that crash too since $ also has a postfix ++? 12:49
masak jkramer: there's no prefix ++ in your code
jkramer Didn't you just say there's two prefix +s? :)
masak only, in order, $x, infix +, prefix +, prefix +, $, postfix +
jkramer: yes, but there's a difference between prefix:<++> and two prefix:<+> 12:50
jkramer Oh so the two latter +s are considered single +s, which do what? Force numeric context? 12:50
masak you got the latter because you wrote the plusses apart, with whitespace in between
jkramer: yes, numify
jkramer m: say + + "15" 12:51
camelia 15
jkramer m: say + + + + + + + + + + + + "15"
camelia 15
masak if a warning is merited for anything, it's that you have two operators written together which masquerade as another common operator
jkramer That doesn't seem right but could be use for fun code obfuscation and ascii art :)
masak but there's a limit to how much you can protect people from themselves
why doesn't it seem right that you can have many prefixes in a row? 12:52
jnthn m: say ??42
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Expected a term, but found either infix ?? or redundant prefix ?
(to suppress this message, please use a space like ? ?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say ??7⏏0542
jnthn hah, bad example :)
m: say !!42
camelia True
jnthn m: say ~~42
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Expected a term, but found either infix ~~ or redundant prefix ~
(to suppress this message, please use a space like ~ ~)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3say ~~7⏏0542
masak the fact that you can do a useful thing in a useless way is not a (strong) argument against the useful thing
jnthn That's the one I was after :P
jkramer Well technically yet. I just doesn't look right :)
Not complaining though :)
masak m: say ? ?42
camelia True
jnthn And yeah, it's a syntactic, not ASTstic, check 12:53
jkramer m: say + ~ + ~ + ~ + ~ + ~ + ~ 15
camelia 15
masak .oO( the check is not on the ASTism spectrum )
Altreus Hmm, the docs for Hash don't say whether order is preserved. So a) is it and b) if not, is there one that does? 13:12
sena_kun Altreus, it is not. 13:16
timotimo it's even extra-randomized now
Altreus how can I best have an ordered set that I can look up by key? In perl5 we just keep an array and a hash 13:18
tobs Altreus: I recall there's an ArrayHash module 13:22
eco: ArrayHash # is this how you operate it? 13:23
buggable tobs, Nothing found
Altreus github.com/zostay/perl6-ArrayHash 🤔 13:24
jkramer I need some help with a presumably simple logic problem, I'm too tired to wrap my head around it. I have a grid of stuff and want to get the anti-diagonals. So far I got this: 13:28
m: my @grid = [1,2,3], [4,5,6], [7,8,9]; for ^@grid -> $y { my $x = 0; .Seq.say for roundrobin @grid.skip($y).map(*.reverse.skip($x++)) }
camelia (3 5 7)
(2 4)
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(6 8)
(5 7)
(4)
(9)
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jkramer As you can see it repeats subsequences of diagonals it already found, ie 5,7 from 3,5,7 or 4 from 2,4, 7 from 3,5,7 and 8 from 6,8 13:30
It should only return 3,5,7, 2,4, 1, 6,8 and 9 13:32
veesh which perl 5 web framework is bailador most similar to? 13:33
timotimo dancer
veesh is anyone working on something like mojolicious?
timotimo i barely know anything about mojolicious; is its main strength async i/o per chance? 13:34
jkramer Yes
timotimo in that case, perhaps cro fits the bill
jkramer I'd say Cro is very similar, but I haven't used cro extensively yet for an educated comparison 13:35
ufobat_ veesh, bailador is not a dancer clone, there are aspects of mojo in it 13:47
e.g. Bailador::Command which is like the commands in mojo
have you seen cro as well? 13:48
veesh ufobat not really, i'm evaluating now whether to do my project in perl 5 or 6 14:08
so i'm seeing what there is
does either framework have its own job queue?
timotimo perl6 already includes a ThreadPoolScheduler that's basically a job queue, or do you mean something in a different process? 14:09
veesh eh, i mean something that takes care of retrying and stuff 14:11
i need to scrape stuff in the background
ufobat_ with the high level concurrency features of perl6 you might write your code quite differently compared to perl5
veesh yeah, i'm kinda excited about the concurrency 14:12
El_Che what ufobat_ says 14:26
Altreus I'm already finding the concurrency features of P6 easy to work with 14:28
even with the good libraries for P5, P6 has the edge
veesh is there a dbi in 6 yet? 14:30
ufobat_ there is DBIish 14:30
veesh saw that. what backends does it support? 14:31
also, is there an ORM?
El_Che Altreus: I limit myself to forks on Perl 5
lizmat El_Che :-) 14:32
El_Che: is that "use forks" or "fork()s" ?
El_Che are your trying to figure if I use your module :) 14:33
lizmat hasn't been mine for a long time :-), but yeah 14:34
Altreus I don't allow myself to go as far as forks in perl5 :P 14:36
veesh: there is one but it seemed very green and I forgot what it was called 14:37
(because it didn't look usable yet)
sena_kun github.com/tony-o/perl6-db-orm-quicky ? 14:40
also github.com/tony-o/perl6-koos
uzl hello everybody! 15:27
m: (1, 2).Set (<) (1, 2, 3, 4).Set 15:28
camelia WARNINGS for <tmp>:
Useless use of "(<)" in expression ".Set (<) (1, 2, 3, 4).Set" in sink context (line 1)
uzl m: say (1, 2).Set (<) (1, 2, 3, 4).Set
camelia True
uzl m: say (1, 2)
camelia (1 2)
uzl m: say (1, 2).Set 15:29
camelia set(1 2)
lizmat m: say (1, 2) (<) (1, 2, 3, 4)
camelia True
lizmat uzl: you don't actually need to coerce to Set if you use set operators
uzl m: say (1, 2).Set (<) ((1, 2).Set, (3, 4).Set).Set
camelia False
lizmat the set operator will do any necessary coercions for yu
*you
uzl lizmat: Oh, didn't know that!
warriors DBIX had a great repuation on P5, was it ever ported to Perl6
lizmat warriors: it's on the list, after DBI I guess :-) 15:30
it's mostly Pure Perl, so that's good
uzl lizmat: does Perl 6 allow nested sets?
lizmat uzl: yes it does
m: dd (1,2,3,(1,2,3).Set).Set
camelia Set.new(3,Set.new(3,1,2),2,1)
warriors what list, there is a list? 15:31
:)
uzl Can I use a certain operator to check if a set is an element (or subset) of another one?
warriors i want that list
lizmat warriors: a long list
uzl m: say (1, 2).Set (<) ((1, 2).Set, (3, 4).Set).Set
camelia False
warriors :)
an ordered list
lizmat uzl: that is a correct result
uzl: in case you wonder 15:32
uzl lizmat: can you explain why?
lizmat you're comparing apples and oranges
for a subset, all elements on the left need to occur on the right
none of them occur on the right in this case
lizmat left Set has 1,2 15:33
right set has (1,2).Set and (3,4).Set
uzl How would I be able to check if a set is a subset of another?
uzl m: say ((1, 2).Set).Set (<) ((1, 2).Set, (3, 4).Set).Set 15:33
camelia False
lizmat hmmm... that *should* be true, I think 15:34
uzl lizmat: Oh, I see! Any way to express left as (1, 2).Set
?
lizmat does some test
lizmat no, it is correct 15:36
m: say ((1, 2).Set,).Set (<) ((1, 2).Set, (3, 4).Set).Set # add a comma, so that we're not just coercing a .Set to a .Set, which is a noop 15:37
camelia True
lizmat uzl: ^^
uzl lizmat: That's awesome. A little detail there!
lizmat: Thanks!
lizmat uzl: yw
chsanch Hi!, is there a way to use something a "cpanfile" with zef? or what's the best/recommended way to declare needed modules for a project? 18:19
lizmat in the META6.json 18:21
docs.perl6.org/language/modules#in...META6.json
chsanch @lizmat thanks! 18:24
lizmat chsanch: you might also want to consider several helper modules such as App::Mi6 and App::Assixt 18:25
modules.perl6.org/dist/App::Assixt:cpan:TYIL 18:26
modules.perl6.org/dist/App::Mi6:cpan:SKAJI
chsanch Yes, I've used App::Assixt before, and it's great. But I was thinking in something more simple, is to install a few dependencies for some scripts ww are using at work 18:35
lizmat you can zef install . (aka, the current dir) 18:36
yoleaux Zoffix: rakudo.org certs expire tomorrow. Did we fix the renewal issue?
lizmat Expires: Friday, 5 October 2018 at 20:20:26 Central European Summer Time
feels like it has been renewed on 5 July for 3 months ? 18:37
moritz it has 18:47
though the renewal is always 90 days, not 3 months
lizmat ah, ok, subtle diff 18:56
lizmat except Jan/Feb/March in non-leap years :-) 18:57
lizmat exercism.io/tracks/perl6 19:22
Zoffix Is that by DrForr's brother? :) Same last name :) 19:30
lizmat there are more dogs called "fikkie" (as we would say in Dutch) 19:31
Zoffix heh
warriors: don't know what list was meant, but there IS a Most Wanted Modules list :) github.com/perl6/perl6-most-wanted...ed-modules 19:32
veesh: there's also DB::Pg that's got a nice interface 19:33
eco: DB::Pg
buggable Zoffix, DB::Pg 'Perl6 bindings for PostgreSQL': modules.perl6.org/dist/DB::Pg:cpan:CTILMES
Zoffix eco: ArrayHash 19:34
buggable Zoffix, ArrayHash 'An array in a hash in an array... like a turducken': github.com/zostay/perl6-ArrayHash 1 other matching results: modules.perl6.org/s/ArrayHash
Zoffix tobs: ^ yes, that's how you operate the bot, but don't include random words in your query 19:35
tobs d'oh
Geth doc: c43e925569 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Type/Hash.pod6
Use simpler language

  "forces" suggests you can't make non-Scalar value,
but you can if you bind.		 19:41
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Hash
Zoffix .ask samcv are unordered hashes guaranteed by the language spec or is that an implementation detail? D#2174 github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2174 19:48
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to samcv.
synopsebot D#2174 [open]: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2174 Need to note unordering-ge for Map/Hash/QuantHash/Bag/Set/Mix/BagHah/SetHashMixHash
Zoffix Altreus: if docs don't say something, it's often helpful for that something to be filed as an Issue, so it could be added. I filed the hash ordering thing: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2174 19:49
Zoffix jkramer: there's also .count that's the max arg it takes (so :($, $?) is .arity 1, .count 2). And yeah, you can specify a sig either with `where .signature ~~ :(…)` or through the shortcut form `&foo :($, Int $ --> Num)` 19:54
Altreus yes oops! I keep forgetting to file issues because I am usually slacking off work when I'm asking questions in here anyway :D 20:36
so I sort of forget
buggable New CPAN upload: Sys-Hostname-0.0.7.tar.gz by ELIZABETH modules.perl6.org/dist/Sys::Hostnam...:ELIZABETH 21:22
buggable New CPAN upload: P5substr-0.0.4.tar.gz by ELIZABETH modules.perl6.org/dist/P5substr:cpan:ELIZABETH 21:32
New CPAN upload: Sparrowdo-VSTS-YAML-Build-0.0.3.tar.gz by MELEZHIK modules.perl6.org/dist/Sparrowdo::V...n:MELEZHIK
raynold ahh it's a wonderful day 21:45
Juerd o 21:47
s/o//
samcv .tell Zoffix I replied to that. thanks for the heads up 21:49
yoleaux 19:48Z <Zoffix> samcv: are unordered hashes guaranteed by the language spec or is that an implementation detail? D#2174 github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2174
yoleaux samcv: I'll pass your message to Zoffix. 21:49
synopsebot D#2174 [open]: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2174 Need to note unordering-ge for Map/Hash/QuantHash/Bag/Set/Mix/BagHah/SetHashMixHash

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