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| Xliff | If you want an object's method to override that which is in a role, can you do that? | 00:26 | |
| Er. Rather, HOW do you do that? | |||
| [Coke] | in the class you mean, or a one off object? | 00:43 | |
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| Xliff | In a class | 01:16 | |
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| candr | How can I force a newline in Pod documentation? | 01:29 | |
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| Zoffix | Xliff: do you have a code example? Because what you say is the default behavior | 01:30 | |
| m: role R { method z {say 42}}; class C does R { method z { say 100 } }.z | |||
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| Zoffix | candr: newline between what( | 01:32 | |
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| Zoffix | normally just adding a blank in source gives you newline in pod... if that's insufficient you could probably do something dirty like an empty =begin paragraph =end paragraph block (forget if it's acrually `paragraph`) | 01:36 | |
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| candr | I am also using #| before parameters in my main sub to get a nice usage message, but those are now also showing up the the end of my pod documentation as headers... | 01:42 | |
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| SmokeMachine | Should a method “created” by an attribute handles be enough to fill an stub of an role? | 01:56 | |
| m: role R { method r {...} }; class C does R { method r {} }; class C2 does R { has R $.a handles <r> is required }; say C2.new: :a(C.new) # I mean: should this work? | 01:57 | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Method 'r' must be implemented by C2 because it is required by roles: R. at <tmp>:1 |
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| Xliff | m: role R { method r {...} }; class C does R { method r {} }; class C2 is C { has R $.a handles <r> is required }; say C2.new: :a(C.new) | 02:08 | |
| camelia | C2.new(a => C.new) | ||
| Xliff | SmokeMachine: Looks like it works. | ||
| m: role R { method r {...} }; class C does R { method r {} }; class C2 does R { has C $.a handles <r> is required }; say C2.new: :a(C.new) | 02:09 | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Method 'r' must be implemented by C2 because it is required by roles: R. at <tmp>:1 |
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| Xliff | m: role R { method r {...} }; class C does R { method r {} }; class C2 does R { has R $.a handles <r> is required }; say C2.new: :a(C.new) | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Method 'r' must be implemented by C2 because it is required by roles: R. at <tmp>:1 |
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| candr | pastebin.com/nV4Bxzej Here is a sample file of how I am making a nice usage message, but also messing up my pod documentation... any suggestions? Can I hide #| comments in my main from the documentation? | 02:11 | |
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| rouking | Hey, are there any tools for shipping some MoarVM bytecode with the VM as a sort of single executable? | 02:24 | |
| Xliff | rouking: Not at the moment. I would like to work on such a project, but I am busy, ATM. | 02:26 | |
| Of course, I also think you'd need to write the loader/exec for it, as it doesn't exist. | |||
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| rouking | Right, hmm | 02:27 | |
| Well, good luck if you ever have time to work on that | |||
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| Zoffix | candr: reading the speculations ( design.perl6.org/S26.html#Declarator_blocks ), those blocks are part of Pod and their rendering is implementation-dependent and can be affected by configuration. However, I'm not seeing any configuration handling options in the source (at least for Pod::To::Text) ( github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...6#L84-L109 ) so sounds like there's | 02:35 | |
| currently no good way to hide them. I'm also noticing another bug with those in that they're reported as `class` rather than argument or something. | |||
| candr: I filed R#2369 | 02:38 | ||
| synopsebot | R#2369 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2369 [POD] Unwanted/incorrect declarator blocks in Pod | ||
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| Zoffix | Heh. The logs are a bit iffy. The show "candr left" immediatelly after my message, which has different connotation than the reality: "candr quit [Ping timeout]" :) | 02:40 | |
| eco: Wix | |||
| buggable | Zoffix, App::InstallerMaker::WiX 'Tool to make basic WiX installers for Perl 6 apps, bundling MoarVM/Rakudo.': modules.perl6.org/dist/App::Install...ment.se%3E | ||
| Zoffix | rouking: ^ that's the only thing I know of and it's for windows only and it just bundles the compiler with the sauce. | 02:42 | |
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| rouking | Hmmm | 02:47 | |
| is it theoretically possible to just combine MoarVM and the bytecode, or does the compiler have to be there? I know it would for something like eval | 02:48 | ||
| but eval is really unnecessary | |||
| b2gills | There are currently limitations with the compiler that make that sort of thing difficult. One being that it isn' | 02:56 | |
| isn't relocatable. | |||
| SmokeMachine | Xliff: doesn’t seem to work... | 03:21 | |
| Xliff | SmokeMachine: No. I finally got what you meant. | 03:25 | |
| SmokeMachine | Xliff: but should that work? | ||
| Xliff | Two minds on the subject. One: It should work since the object can perform the method. Two: It shouldn't not work since, even though the object can do the method, it was not implemented by the object. | 03:31 | |
| Tricky. And I'm afraid I won't be of much further help. | 03:32 | ||
| m: role R { method r {...} }; class C does R { method r {} }; class C2 { has R $.a handles <r> is required }; say C2.new: :a(C.new) | |||
| camelia | C2.new(a => C.new) | ||
| Xliff | ^^ That's probably the most concise way to write it. | ||
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| pmurias | does anyone use --encoding with REPL mode in rakudo? | 09:49 | |
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| Xliff | \o | 12:44 | |
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| buggable | New CPAN upload: App-Mi6-0.2.1.tar.gz by SKAJI modules.perl6.org/dist/App::Mi6:cpan:SKAJI | 12:53 | |
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| bichu | hi | 13:50 | |
| timotimo | greetings | ||
| bichu | on the site, I do not see SUSE instructions for installing Rakudo | ||
| sudo zypper -n install --type pattern Basis-Devel | |||
| this should work for compiling Rakudo. have we already tried this? | |||
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| bichu | suse is there by default in AWS also | 13:52 | |
| infact centos/fedora is no more there in aws. | |||
| so we should add support for suse also in rakudo site, right? | |||
| timotimo | one of our devs is involved with suse if i'm not mistaken, so there's official packages | ||
| buggable | New CPAN upload: Perl6-Mathx-Stat-0.1.tar.gz by HOLYGHOST cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/H/HO/...0.1.tar.gz | 13:53 | |
| bichu | i mean, there is no documentation for installing dev packages | ||
| timotimo | oh | ||
| bichu | rakudo.org/files/star/source - on this page, I dont find SUSE instructions | ||
| SUSE is coming up very well with SAP moving their platform from RedHat to SUSE | 13:54 | ||
| timotimo | OK, gotta see if rakudo.org's source code is on github, i'd expect it to be | ||
| bichu | i am doing a rakudo compilation on SUSE now. i think we should add development instructions for SUSE as well | 13:56 | |
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| candr | Zoffix: I just checked the logs. Thanks for your reply and submitting that issue about pod. | 13:59 | |
| holyghost | Sorry to interrupt, I uploaded Mathx::Stat to cpan. I sent info for my further packages to the cng listompiler maili | 14:00 | |
| timotimo | bichu: github.com/perl6/rakudo.org/blob/m...qs.html.ep - would you like to file a pull-request? | ||
| holyghost | s/cng listompiler maili/compiler mailing list | ||
| I need a name for Bayesian learning and so on | 14:01 | ||
| bichu | timotimo: i am new to this. what area i have to copy paste and just change the instructions alone? | 14:03 | |
| timotimo | depends on whether we want to have it inside the same card that has redhat/centos/fedora or as a card of its own | 14:04 | |
| bichu | it has to be a card of its own | ||
| suse instructions are different | 14:05 | ||
| suse normally doesnt follow yum | |||
| it uses zypper on command line | |||
| timotimo | right, zypper | ||
| is Basis-Devel really all that's needed? does it also contain libssl headers? | 14:06 | ||
| also, git | |||
| bichu | no | ||
| timotimo | is it still called "SuSE"? | 14:07 | |
| bichu | git seems to be in by default | ||
| it was. not it is SUSE | |||
| all cas | |||
| caps* | |||
| timotimo - what is this - sudo yum install perl-ExtUtils-Command? | |||
| what is this used for? | |||
| timotimo | it's used in Configure.pl | 14:08 | |
| well, not necessarily directly | |||
| bichu | ok, in AWS, the memory is not enough | ||
| i will have to try for a local install | |||
| timotimo | ah, right, the ~1.5 gigs | 14:09 | |
| bichu | i mean for the free tier | ||
| timotimo | if you run it with the env var MVM_SPESH_DISABLE=yes it could use a few megs less | ||
| maybe not enough, though | |||
| i've started the edit for the suse page | |||
| bichu | yeah | ||
| timotimo | can you give me all lines that you need? | 14:10 | |
| bichu | also, to RedHat/CentOS/Fedora you might want to add Amazon as well | ||
| i believe it should be the same specs as RedHat | |||
| cant wait for ready made packages to be available for all OS. Perl6 will rule!! :) | 14:11 | ||
| Especially with P6GI picking up speed | 14:12 | ||
| Geth | rakudo.org/add-suse-prereqs: 6ad712a16f | timo++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | templates/_from-source-prereqs.html.ep initial prereqs for compiling rakudo on suse |
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| rakudo.org: timo++ created pull request #21: initial prereqs for compiling rakudo on suse |
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| timotimo | you can build on this | ||
| bichu | thx timotimo | 14:16 | |
| timotimo | i didn't throw out the feroda and centos sections, lol | ||
| but i gotta be afk for a bit | |||
| candr | bichu: I use openSUSE and have devel_C_C++ and devel_basis patterns installed. Can't remember if I needed both to build rakudo/perl6 though... | 14:17 | |
| bichu | i used devel_basis because that will contain make too | ||
| timtimo - you put it inside redhat? | 14:20 | ||
| <p>On Fedora, also run: <code>sudo yum install perl-ExtUtils-Command</code></p> | |||
| above this section? | |||
| anyway, you know better. i hope to see it on the main page soon | |||
| Kaiepi | m: my \🤔 = 1; 🤔++; say 🤔 | 14:23 | |
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Malformed my at <tmp>:1 ------> 3my7⏏5 \🤔 = 1; 🤔++; say 🤔 |
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| Kaiepi | damn | ||
| m: my \ =1; say | 14:24 | ||
| camelia | 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp> Malformed my at <tmp>:1 ------> 3my7⏏5 \ =1; say |
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| holyghost | I am not going to upload to gtihub, my account is again in pain, I like CPAN better I hope this is ok | ||
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| Xliff | m: my @a = rand xx 2; @a.say | 14:28 | |
| camelia | [0.047477663789291746 0.18409852325507547] | ||
| Xliff | m: my @a = (my $c = rand) xx 2; @a.say | 14:29 | |
| camelia | [0.9522342800301626 0.19107155071207027] | ||
| Xliff | m: my @a = (my $c //= rand) xx 2; @a.say | ||
| camelia | [0.48039811906421515 0.48039811906421515] | ||
| holyghost is going to drink some good Belgian beer | 14:30 | ||
| candr | Is it normal or expected that Pod shows nothing of the return type of a sub? It does show typed parameters.... pastebin.com/c7jRQFNJ | 14:31 | |
| lizmat | candr: I would assume that's an omission | 14:34 | |
| candr | lizmat: intentional or overlooked? | ||
| lizmat | overlooked, I would say | 14:35 | |
| candr | ok | ||
| I'll put in a github issue | 14:41 | ||
| lizmat | candr++ | 14:42 | |
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| Geth | rakudo.org: 6ad712a16f | timo++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | templates/_from-source-prereqs.html.ep initial prereqs for compiling rakudo on suse |
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| rakudo.org: 9d94dbd4c9 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | templates/_from-source-prereqs.html.ep Merge pull request #21 from perl6/add-suse-prereqs initial prereqs for compiling rakudo on suse |
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| pmurias | how can I EVAL something with a fresh set of GLOBALs | 15:17 | |
| ? | |||
| 'class Foo {}' does work when run twice in 6pad because the class is already declared the second time | 15:18 | ||
| holyghost | Cannot you overload the file or method ? | 15:20 | |
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| Zoffix | .tell Kaiepi you have to use a `term` with the weird stuff: m: my &term:<🤔> = sub () is rw { state $x = 1; $x }; say 🤔++; say 🤔 | 15:34 | |
| yoleaux | Zoffix: I'll pass your message to Kaiepi. | ||
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| Geth | rakudo.org: 2b87d55b43 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | templates/_from-source-prereqs.html.ep Remove duplicated Fedora/CentOS blurbs from SUSE section |
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| Geth | rakudo.org: e0cb057f92 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | templates/_from-source-prereqs.html.ep Fix padding |
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| Geth | rakudo.org: 8a78d48cf5 | (Ben Davies)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | templates/_from-source-prereqs.html.ep Add source prereqs for OpenBSD |
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| ryn1x | Wasn't docs.perl6.org/language.html updated the other day and broken up into nice categories? Has this been reverted? | 17:23 | |
| Kaiepi | m: sub term:<> is rw { state $x = 1 }; ++; say | 17:26 | |
| yoleaux | 15:34Z <Zoffix> Kaiepi: you have to use a `term` with the weird stuff: m: my &term:<🤔> = sub () is rw { state $x = 1; $x }; say 🤔++; say 🤔 | ||
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| moritz | cd | 17:43 | |
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| m: say <🐔 🥚>.sort | 17:44 | ||
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| vrurg | moritz: a bug perhaps? Inifine loop expected? | 18:00 | |
| ryn1x | Found the categories on the docs were reverted because of an issue here: github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2374 . Unclear if it has been resolved since the issue is closed but the categories are still disabled. Hope they come back... I use the docs at work a lot and the categories were nice. | 18:01 | |
| moritz | vrurg: I expected the egg to come first :) | 18:07 | |
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| vrurg | moritz: do you wanna talk about it? ;) | 18:07 | |
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| moritz | vrurg: not at all, it's obvious to me | 18:07 | |
| ryn1x | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_or_t...esolutions | 18:11 | |
| m: say <🦍 🐟>.sort | 18:23 | ||
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| Geth | doc: 566febe650 | (Luis F. Uceta)++ | doc/Language/typesystem.pod6 Add minor fixes, rephrase sentences and reflow text |
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| doc: d1e077c691 | (Luis F. Uceta)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/typesystem.pod6 Merge pull request #2382 from uzluisf/master Add minor fixes, rephrase sentences and reflow text |
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| Geth | doc: mienaikage++ created pull request #2384: Update WinCompose instructions |
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| Geth | doc: 38ae59ac4c | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/List.pod6 [v6.d REVIEW] Fix up &combinations signature It can take any Iterable Propspec: github.com/perl6/roast/commit/928b4b9b Pov: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/a0ee718db3 |
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| Geth | doc: b0529178a1 | (Daniel Mita)++ | doc/Language/unicode_entry.pod6 Update WinCompose instructions |
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| ryn1x | Is the source for rakudo.org on github? I found a mistake in some recent updates... | 22:39 | |
| nm.. found it... it is under perl6, not rakudo ha... | 22:40 | ||
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| Geth | rakudo.org: ryn1x++ created pull request #22: fixed the zypper command to install devel_basis |
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| Geth | rakudo.org: 69b6abbd7c | ryn1x++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | templates/_from-source-prereqs.html.ep fixed the zypper command to install devel_basis |
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| timotimo | ryn1x: thanks, i hadn't meant for the pull-request to be merged yet, the user who came to suggest it didn't give the right prereqs before i had to go :S | 23:56 | |
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