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| timotimo | www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/at...e/eh1abnf/ - just posted a long-ass comment about spesh optimizations up on reddit | 02:22 | |
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| Xliff | timotimo++ | 02:40 | |
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| Xliff | I will have to read this, carefully. It's Friday and my threshold for detailed discussions is low. | 02:41 | |
| VERY low. | |||
| Xliff sips another coke and brandy. | |||
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| hahainternet | thanks for the post timotimo, i'm working on things kinda unrelated to perl6 but it's always nice to read strategies, especially when i don't understand the problem domain :) | 02:48 | |
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| timotimo | :D | 02:53 | |
| i need to finally write up something for my SDL2 experiments, even though they are still super simple | |||
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| hahainternet | i am trying to concieve of a grammar that describes itself increasingly accurately while it is iteratively being designed | 02:58 | |
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| timotimo | not entirely sure how you mean that? like invent a new EBNF-like? | 02:59 | |
| hahainternet | more or less, but designed around more human language | 03:00 | |
| EBNF is exactly accurate/precise immediately | |||
| but humans describe things in big gloopy messes | |||
| timotimo | that's true | ||
| hahainternet | i'm intrigued by the idea of taking an abstract description, diving down and formalising each segment, then stepping backwards and genericising the formalised version | ||
| and seeing what you get | |||
| timotimo | at some point we should have the other way around: put in perl6 grammar, get out a human-readable description :) | 03:01 | |
| hahainternet | well, all my playing is done in p6 because grammars are so wonderful | ||
| it's not so much human readable, but the ideal confluence | |||
| human writeable, machine readable, human rewriteable | |||
| timotimo | mhm | 03:02 | |
| that makes sense, yeah | |||
| hahainternet | currently slowly tackling Syntactical Structures | ||
| (in PDF format, gah) | |||
| ah excellent and the guy i was arguing with on reddit was basically entirely arguing a red herring | 03:04 | ||
| wonderful :) | |||
| timotimo | ;( | ||
| hahainternet | my fault too, the thread will be informative for passers by though, which is ideal | 03:05 | |
| timotimo | yeah, there's often many more of them than the people actually involved | ||
| hahainternet | anyhow, half of what i am doing already looks perl6y because it's like "class Pump { has Inlet; has Outlet; }" etc | 03:10 | |
| a linguistic approach really feels right | |||
| discord6 | <Rogue> I love "has" for class members | ||
| hahainternet | 'is' and 'does' too | ||
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| discord6 | <Rogue> After all, programming languages other than machine code are for humans | 03:11 | |
| hahainternet | that's not entirely true imho | ||
| we don't have any programming languages truly for humans, just ones that are more humanistic than others | |||
| discord6 | <Rogue> Well, okay, programming languages are for programmers | ||
| hahainternet | hah are you suggesting we are all part machine? ;) | 03:12 | |
| discord6 | <Rogue> and what do you get taught in any OO-focused introductory programming course? Object A has object B | ||
| Xliff | I'm still waiting for someone to make a Slang so you can say "haz $!cheesburger" in a class def. | 03:22 | |
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| irced | part machine what? | 03:59 | |
| irced looks around suspiciously. | |||
| irced eats a spider. | 04:01 | ||
| what? | |||
| I'm not an andy. | |||
| hythm | Hi, I'm trying to upload my first module to the ecosystem, I have requested a PAUSE account as per the docs. Now do I need to wait for an email to confirm my PAUSE account or what is next? | 04:03 | |
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| manwar | Hi, if I am using use-ok 'x'; do I still have to say use X; | 06:21 | |
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| Geth | doc/master: 4 commits pushed by (JJ Merelo)++ | 06:48 | |
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| jmerelo | .tell AlexDaniel I'm thinking again about changing the subject of the hackathon after I have discovered this github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2632 | 07:02 | |
| yoleaux | jmerelo: I'll pass your message to AlexDaniel. | ||
| jmerelo | .tell AlexDaniel after all, the "Most wanted" does not seem to be raising a lot of enthusiasm | ||
| yoleaux | jmerelo: I'll pass your message to AlexDaniel. | ||
| jmerelo | .tell manwar yes, but that will fail if use-ok returns false, so it's better if you do that in a different test, different numeration. | 07:03 | |
| yoleaux | jmerelo: I'll pass your message to manwar. | ||
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| Geth | doc: JJ self-assigned list.head and list.tail use Ranges as examples github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2631 0e2a128100 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/List.pod6 |
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| doc: 45a20b40bd | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/List.pod6 Rewrites tail closes #2631 |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/type/List | ||
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| Geth | ecosystem: manwar++ created pull request #432: Update META.list with the p6-Calculator. |
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| ecosystem: 36de1308f0 | (Mohammad S Anwar)++ | META.list Update META.list with the p6-Calculator. |
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| ecosystem: 37f5125ea2 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list Merge pull request #432 from manwar/manwar-Calculator Update META.list with the p6-Calculator. |
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| ecosystem: 4a8b236491 | (Jonathan Stowe)++ | META.list Remove the last of my modules from META.list This is the last batch of modules that I have uploaded to CPAN and tested that they actually download from there. So long original ecosystem it was a blast. |
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| netrino | :react .* $<value>=[\d+F] .* :: Please, use Celsius $/ | 11:24 | |
| sorry :( | |||
| missed the window during the paste | 11:25 | ||
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| AlexDaniel | . | 13:19 | |
| yoleaux | 07:02Z <jmerelo> AlexDaniel: I'm thinking again about changing the subject of the hackathon after I have discovered this github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2632 | ||
| 07:02Z <jmerelo> AlexDaniel: after all, the "Most wanted" does not seem to be raising a lot of enthusiasm | |||
| AlexDaniel | .tell jmerelo I renamed “Blocker” label in the doc repo to “Top Priority” so that we don't get that confused with rakudo release process | 13:21 | |
| yoleaux | AlexDaniel: I'll pass your message to jmerelo. | ||
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| Geth | doc: b2ef986ea2 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/packages.pod6 add "interpolating" to index |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/packages | ||
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| chee | is there a way using the `sub MAIN` for command line args, to say that the single letter args are able to be passed all together? | 14:07 | |
| like in `wc -lwc` i mean | |||
| timotimo | interesting, github.com/tadzik/Getopt-Type does seem to support that | 14:09 | |
| it hasn't been updated in years, though | |||
| chee | i've specified them all as optional, like `sub MAIN (Bool :$l, Bool :$w) {}` but then they need to be passed `wc -l -w` | ||
| timotimo | and there's now ways to customize parts of sub MAIN directly | ||
| El_Che | There is also leont's modules.perl6.org/dist/Getopt::Long:cpan:LEONT | 14:10 | |
| if you like the perl5 like functionality | |||
| chee | i was hoping it would be a `%SUB-MAIN-OPTS` value, but there's only one of those ^_^ | ||
| El_Che | chee: lizmat added that after I complained about the functionality here, so you know how things get into core :) | 14:12 | |
| chee | El_Che: :D | ||
| maybe i should come back and complain again at a more carefully planned time | 14:13 | ||
| El_Che | that's the spirit | ||
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| chee | would i use a META6.json in the root directory of an app also, is that a sensible thing to do? or is there another process for keeping track of dependencies when you aren't going to be distributing the thing as a library | 14:33 | |
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| moritz | chee: that's sensible for applications too | 14:38 | |
| El_Che | it's even probably the only wya | ||
| way | |||
| (isn't it?) | |||
| moritz | well, you could have a shell script with "zef install" lines | 14:39 | |
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| El_Che | moritz: I don't like you anymore | 14:40 | |
| chee | i could copy all my dependencies into the directory and run it as `perl6 -I.` | ||
| there are all sorts of terrible things we can do ! | |||
| El_Che | thin ice, mister/missy | 14:41 | |
| volkov | So it's definitely necessary to break out Emacs and modify that Perl6 script. | ||
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| moritz | nah, you can use vim for that :D | 14:49 | |
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| discord6 | <Vendethiel> Well, vim has to be installed in emacs | 14:54 | |
| <Vendethiel> - -to being a zef install argument can’t, it seems, be added to the meta file | 14:56 | ||
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| mst | ucidatascienceinitiative.github.io...l/WhyJulia # the unicode tab completion thing strikes me as a clever and stealable idea | 15:47 | |
| I guess perl6 would do it by having the texas operators auto-collapse | |||
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| timotimo | don't make the REPL more attractive, or people will try using it :P | 15:57 | |
| chee | it's a pity that Linenoise has some tab completion but no utf-8 support and Readline has utf-8 support and no completion (other than the files in cwd) | 16:02 | |
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| timotimo | yeah, it's bad :( | 16:02 | |
| chee | there are some forks of Linenoise that support utf-8, i tried to get one of them working last night but i didn't know enough about NativeCall or indeed C to succeed in the hour i spent on it | 16:03 | |
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| chee | oh, actually it did work | 16:16 | |
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| Geth | doc: 095177cdde | cfa++ | 2 files Fix typo, whitelist code word. |
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| doc: 3cd2962f54 | cfa++ | doc/Language/operators.pod6 Inline footnotes (workaround for rakudo/rakudo#2711). |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/operators | ||
| synopsebot | RAKUDO#2711 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/2711 Pod::To::Text is mishandling footnotes. | ||
| Geth | doc: 73e4964f45 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/packages.pod6 add index item |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/packages | ||
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| pmurias | mst: that seems like a good idea, having the initial impression of Perl 6 be as awesome as possible seems like a worthy goal to have it spread more | 17:09 | |
| yoleaux | 14 Feb 2019 02:20Z <MasterDuke> pmurias: i'm trying to build (nqp|rakudo)-js, but `perl Configure.pl --prefix=/home/dan/Source/perl6/install/ --backends=moar,js && make -j6 install` dies in the `make -j6 install` with `Unhandled exception: While looking for 'nqp.moarvm': no such file or directory`. any suggestions? | ||
| pmurias | MasterDuke: I'll look into it | ||
| mst | pmurias: also I think people are much more likely to use the unicode operators if they don't have to figure out how to type them 'properly' | ||
| certainly my use of texas operators has always been purely out of laziness | 17:10 | ||
| Geth | doc: 055b7670b0 | cfa++ | doc/Type/Order.pod6 Index Less, Same and More (enum Order). Closes #2634. |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Order | ||
| mst | I wouldn't mind if I could type those and automatically get the prettier version | ||
| tadzik | I have them on alt+[] | 17:14 | |
| github.com/tadzik/dotfiles/blob/ma...emakpl#L34 these two | |||
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| tadzik | ah, the topic is something else, nevermin | 17:17 | |
| timotimo | comma has or will have something for this :) | ||
| tadzik | :) | ||
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| Geth | doc: 7c14832190 | (Tom Browder)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/packages.pod6 index a phrase |
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| synopsebot | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/packages | ||
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| pmurias | mst: the julia vim plugin also adds that so we could steal that mechanic for perl 6 too | 17:53 | |
| mst | hm | 17:54 | |
| perl6fmt --de-texas # also a theoretically possible thing | |||
| pmurias | it's something you definity expect from a Perl 6 perltidy | ||
| s/you definity/you would definitely | 17:56 | ||
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| MasterDuke | mst, pmurias: github.com/drforr/perl6-Perl6-Tidy/issues/3 | 19:09 | |
| mst | hah, nice | 19:10 | |
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