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lookatme_q | what's this ? `(this space intentionally left blank)`. I saw it on the weekly report page | 00:43 | |
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lucs | m: moo | 01:03 | |
evalable6 | (exit code 1) 04===SORRY!04=== Error while compiling /tmp/qRhqUp3LHc Undeclared routine: moo used at line 1 |
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lucs | Ah, evalable6, okay. | 01:04 | |
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lucs | Whaddya mean, too private? | 01:04 | |
I have to pollute the channel to try stuff with evalable6? | 01:05 | ||
AlexDaniel | lucs: try perlbot for that | ||
r: say 42 | |||
perlbot | AlexDaniel: 42 | ||
lucs | Ah, thanks :) | 01:06 | |
AlexDaniel | it's slightly different, but it is restricted enough to let you run random stuff :) | ||
and camelia is on a forced vacation… :) | |||
lucs | Yeah, what happened to her? | ||
AlexDaniel | someone, uh… killed her | ||
lucs | That's not nice :( | 01:07 | |
AlexDaniel | lucs: the one on the bottom: github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki...re-welcome | ||
lucs | Heh | 01:08 | |
Juerd | 01:09 | ||
s/ // | |||
lucs | How do I fix the following to get a Foo in $foo? | 01:17 | |
r: my $class-name = 'Foo'; class Foo { }; my $foo = "$class-name"::new; print $foo.perl | |||
perlbot | lucs: 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling /tmp/lt1TdZcC6nConfusedat /tmp/lt1TdZcC6n:1------> 3 class Foo { }; my $foo = "$class-name":7⏏5:new; print $foo.perl expecting any of: colon pair[Exited 1] | ||
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ugexe | ::($class-name).new | 01:31 | |
lucs | Super. Thanks | 01:32 | |
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jmerelo | squashable6: status | 04:26 | |
squashable6 | jmerelo, ⚠🍕 Next SQUASHathon in 3 days and ≈7 hours (2019-04-06 UTC-14⌁UTC+12). See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day | ||
jmerelo | yay! | ||
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Geth | doc: 535e7abb77 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/syntax.pod6 Adds back the syntax page for number literals, closes 2704 |
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doc: 20330bd89c | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Junction.pod6 Adds "defined" to Junction Refs #2703 (because it wasn't there) and also #2632 (because it documents autothreading) |
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synopsebot_ | Link: doc.perl6.org/language/syntax | ||
Link: doc.perl6.org/type/Junction | |||
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japh | is there a perl6doc tool somewhere? | 08:09 | |
yoleaux | 20 Feb 2015 11:36Z <nine_> japh: niner.name/talks/Leapfrogging the bootstrap/Leapfrogging the bootstrap.pdf is your best bet for now. Page 37 and following. Or have a look at the tests. They should be somewhat instructive. And feel free to ask me any time here. | ||
japh | O.O | 08:10 | |
that's not at all what I asked for | 08:11 | ||
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kawaii | releasable6: status | 08:32 | |
releasable6 | kawaii, Next release in ≈18 days and ≈10 hours. 0 blockers. 0 out of 147 commits logged | ||
kawaii, Details: gist.github.com/8069d8bc979e342324...a45bfd0651 | |||
kawaii | hm | ||
antoniogamiz | o/ | ||
kawaii | \o | ||
antoniogamiz | japhb: maybe this github.com/perl6/doc/tree/master/bin? | ||
that's the doc from the command line | 08:33 | ||
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kawaii | working on a module which I'll be using in a Discord bot to accept and execute commands but figured why not write a module that could be used in _any_ kind of bot to interpret commands... What is the namespace convention of these kind of plug and play modules that help you build other programs? | 09:35 | |
Originally it was going to be `Discord::CommandHandler`, but since I'm making it generic... I'm not sure | |||
antoniogamiz | Bot::CommandHandler? | 09:36 | |
kawaii | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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japh | antoniogamiz, thank you, perfect | 09:58 | |
wrote my first .p6 today and might do again :) | 09:59 | ||
(('.', |$*REPO.repo-chain())>>.Str X~ </doc/>).grep: *.IO.d # that's just magic for now though haha | 10:00 | ||
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discord6 | <timotimo> moarperf now shows when objects of a given type got freed | 11:20 | |
<timotimo> cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/557...nknown.png | |||
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jnthn | m: dd (1-0.00342) ** -0.5; dd ((1-0.00342) ** -0.5).Rat; dd ((1-0.00342) ** -0.5).Rat(epsilon => 1.0e-20, :fat) | 13:26 | |
evalable6 | 1.0017143986880508e0 <584/583> FatRat.new(584, 583) |
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ugexe | Not sure I’ll be able to figure out a polyglot base35 encoder and decoder. I think it’ll require bitwise operations... | ||
Other than that something like Base64 is otherwise not that difficult to port to polyglot | 13:27 | ||
jnthn | Wonder if anyone knows whether a) we're really losing precision that exists in the .Rat conversion above, and b) if it's possible to do better? | ||
ugexe | Perlglot | 13:28 | |
jnthn | Ah, and alternatively, does anyone know of a slower, but more precise, way of dealing with franctional exponents on Rat if willing to pay for the calculation? | 13:31 | |
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tobs | jnthn: nothing short of full-blown algebraic numbers comes to mind | 13:38 | |
I remember how betrayed I felt by the "math that works" slogan in P6 talks when I discovered 2.sqrt is a Num and nto a polynomial :) | 13:40 | ||
jnthn | Well, yeah, the concrete problem I have is that we picked Rat for precision in financial calcs, which makes sense, except there's like one formula that raises to a negative fractional power (I think some depreciation thingy) and dumps things back into Num land | 13:41 | |
And then the conversion back to a Rat loses precision, so we're doing worse than Num all the way by that point :S | |||
timotimo | you can build your own interval "search" algo | 13:42 | |
to get arbitrarily amounts of precision | |||
jnthn | I'm guessing there ain't a module for this already... :) | ||
timotimo | not that i know of | ||
i do believe you'll tend to get irrational numbers when square-rooting and such | 13:43 | ||
and some-kind-of-rooting is what's part of fractional exponentiation | |||
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jnthn | That's fine, I don't need all the precision, just not to do "worse than Excel" :P | 13:43 | |
I'm still not sure if it's a shortcoming in Num.Rat, however | 13:44 | ||
timotimo | you can probably use the regular formula that makes an ieee float from its three parts | ||
that'll give you a rational number "naturally" | |||
then you should be able to subtract from what .Rat gives you | |||
you probably know all this | 13:45 | ||
just saying i don't know of a better way off-hand | |||
jnthn | Hmm...if we can get it that way "naturally" why is .Rat doing a convergence algorithm? | ||
timotimo | so that the number is prettier i guess? | 13:46 | |
jnthn | Hm, perhaps, yes | ||
timotimo | if you are okay with getting a fatrat, that's probably not necessary? | ||
jnthn | Passing :fat and a tiny epsilon doesn't help, alas | ||
Hm, I'm guessing there's no better way to get the parts of a double than to just grab the bits? | 13:47 | ||
timotimo | not to my knowledge | 13:48 | |
it's probably not better to log2 the value | |||
or i guess log16 | |||
jnthn | aye | ||
Will try that out and see if it gets me more precision than the standard .Rat conversion | 13:49 | ||
timotimo | i wonder if there's something easily reachable to get 128bit (or whatever) floating point arithmetic. like, via nativecall or something | ||
jnthn | Dunno; I know it's tricky in MoarVM 'cus we assume all the VM registers are 64-bit wide | 13:50 | |
timotimo | aye, it'd have to be done with Buf8 | ||
or CArray or whatever | |||
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jnthn | gist.github.com/jnthn/a066fed40bfe...c7ff9e9422 | 14:14 | |
Once I remember that the bits in the mantissa have an implicit 1. before them, it worked out OK :P | 14:15 | ||
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hasuwiz | Good evening everyone :) | 14:21 | |
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pmurias | ugexe: on the js backend I'll move the uname shell command calling inside the nqp::uname op | 14:28 | |
hasuwiz: good evening | 14:33 | ||
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thundergnat | m: say ((1-0.00342) ** -0.5).Str.Rat; say ((1-0.00342) ** -0.5).Str.Rat.nude; # Certainly no worse precision than Num | 14:48 | |
evalable6 | 1.0017143986880508 (2504285996720127 2500000000000000) |
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thundergnat | though no better either. | ||
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thundergnat | Better than a direct Rat coercion though. | 14:49 | |
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jnthn | hah, I should have thought of that one :) | 14:54 | |
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dogbert17 | jnthn: haven't you made a mistake here? | 15:04 | |
m: dd ((1-0.00342) ** -0.5).Rat(epsilon => 1.0e-20, :fat) | |||
evalable6 | FatRat.new(584, 583) | ||
dogbert17 | m: dd ((1-0.00342) ** -0.5).Rat(1.0e-20, :fat) | ||
evalable6 | FatRat.new(49223339, 49139095) | ||
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jnthn | dogbert17: oh, epsilon isn't a named arg? | 15:11 | |
*sigh* | 15:12 | ||
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timotimo | omg, was that what caused the precision issue? | 15:18 | |
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lizmat clickbaits p6weekly.wordpress.com/2019/04/01/...kes-today/ | 15:23 | ||
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japhb | jnthn: float mantissas have an implicit leading 1. *unless* they are denormals (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denormal_number) (Or of course one of the other special number formats, such as Inf and NaN.) | 15:41 | |
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jnthn | japhb: ah, yes, those'd need accounting for also, I guess | 16:08 | |
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Xliff | \o | 17:30 | |
m: role A { method aa { say "EEeeeeyyy!"; }; my $a = A.new.aa | 17:31 | ||
evalable6 | (exit code 1) 04===SORRY!04=== Error while compiling /tmp/gbqmheG93R Missing… |
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Xliff, Full output: gist.github.com/da88458e08ae0392cb...f329522d14 | |||
Xliff | m: role A { method aa { say "EEeeeeyyy!"; }; }; my $a = A.new.aa | ||
evalable6 | EEeeeeyyy! | ||
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ugexe | pmurias: I considered that for the jvm backend too | 17:44 | |
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cpan-p6 | New module released to CPAN! FindBin (0.2.3) by 03LEMBARK | 18:31 | |
New module released to CPAN! Term::Choose::Util (1.2.4) by 03KUERBIS | |||
New module released to CPAN! Term::TablePrint (1.4.3) by 03KUERBIS | |||
New module released to CPAN! Term::Form (1.2.0) by 03KUERBIS | |||
New module released to CPAN! Term::Choose (1.5.2) by 03KUERBIS | |||
New module released to CPAN! Acme::Cow (0.0.4) by 03ELIZABETH | |||
New module released to CPAN! Algorithm::HierarchicalPAM (0.0.1) by 03TITSUKI | |||
tyil | interesting | ||
cpan-p6 | New module released to CPAN! Term::Choose::Util (1.2.4) by 03KUERBIS | 18:32 | |
New module released to CPAN! Term::TablePrint (1.4.3) by 03KUERBIS | |||
New module released to CPAN! Term::Form (1.2.0) by 03KUERBIS | |||
New module released to CPAN! Term::Choose (1.5.2) by 03KUERBIS | |||
New module released to CPAN! Acme::Cow (0.0.4) by 03ELIZABETH | |||
New module released to CPAN! Algorithm::HierarchicalPAM (0.0.1) by 03TITSUKI | |||
tyil | ok, that's not great | ||
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tyil | ok, found the issue there | 18:33 | |
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jackfly26 | hi | 19:28 | |
anyone online? | |||
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jackfly26 | hi | 19:28 | |
lucasb | what's cooking? | 19:29 | |
moritz | just us bots :D | 19:31 | |
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woolfy | lizmat and I went to Concerto Record Store in Amsterdam because Todd Rundgren came over to sign his autobiography. lizmat gave him a Camelia, and he was quite happy with it. He knows about Perl. He will check it out. | 19:39 | |
www.flickr.com/photos/wendyga/32581642557/ | |||
Camelia oversees the booksigning... www.flickr.com/photos/wendyga/3258...otostream/ | 19:41 | ||
bartolin | nice :) | 19:43 | |
tyil | jackfly26: hi there | 19:47 | |
.bots | |||
cpan-p6_ | 03cpan-p6_:121.0.1 (2019-04-02T19:02:20Z) reporting for duty! [Perl 6] 02git.tyil.nl/perl6/app-cpan-uploadannouncer-irc | ||
tyil | good bot | ||
antoniogamiz | hahaha | ||
tadzik | :D | 19:48 | |
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guifa | So three cheers for grammars/actions. There was a proposal on the main Fluent project github to add a specific reference type that would basically combine two things that already existed. Literally took five minutes to code it up and it seemed like it was going to actually be a substantial amount of work for the other languages / reference implementations :-) | 19:59 | |
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jackfly26 | so inactive | 20:49 | |
im having issues with some grammars | 20:50 | ||
theyre technically nqp but should be the same | |||
p6: say (1..5).eager | 20:51 | ||
evalable6 | (1 2 3 4 5) | ||
jackfly26 | cool | ||
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jackfly26 | hi vike | 20:52 | |
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jackfly26 | whoms'td've is online | 20:54 | |
11why my code no work | |||
timotimo | hi | 20:57 | |
jackfly26 | hi | 20:59 | |
timotimo | what kind of issue are you experiencing? | ||
it's not matching when you expect it to? or is there an exception or something? | |||
jackfly26 | kinda | ||
hastebin.com/ebutuwitaq.xml | 21:00 | ||
the function won't match when i use the brackets as parameters | |||
timotimo | did you try any kind of tracing? | 21:01 | |
jackfly26 | i cant | ||
this is nqp | |||
timotimo | then you haven't heard of --rxtrace yet! | ||
it's not very good, i don't think | |||
jackfly26 | well its running for parrotvm | ||
so i dont do nqp command directly | |||
timotimo | parrot you say? | 21:02 | |
jackfly26 | yes | ||
timotimo | i thought nqp doesn't run on parrot any more | ||
jackfly26 | well i guess it does | ||
lucasb | what's your rakudo version? | 21:03 | |
jackfly26 | umm | ||
again that shouldnt matter because its nqp | 21:04 | ||
6.c | |||
lucasb | what's your nqp version? | ||
jackfly26 | umm | ||
i got it yesterday | |||
timotimo | right, it shouldn't matter if you're not using any rakudo in your thing | ||
lucasb | no, in months :) | ||
jackfly26 | oh | ||
2018.10 for perl6 | |||
oh its same for both | 21:05 | ||
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timotimo | i've long forgotten how to work with parrot | 21:06 | |
lucasb | I'm surprised nqp still works with it even :) | ||
jackfly26 | lol | ||
well im using the pct | |||
timotimo | i mean, there are no pir files in the nqp repo, so ... how does it even have anything to run? | ||
oh | |||
that's ... | 21:07 | ||
jackfly26 | also what does the red username mean | ||
parrot compiler tools | |||
timotimo | where does the pct live? in the parrot repository? | 21:08 | |
ah yes | |||
well, i'm not sure what to tell you | 21:09 | ||
Xliff | Is ::?CLASS lexical? | ||
timotimo | the last meaningful change to ptc seems to from 2011 | ||
jackfly26 | umm | 21:10 | |
timotimo | i don't think anybody in here can help you meaningfully with exactly what ptc can or can't do compared to the nqp we have | ||
jackfly26 | oof sorry i was on discord | ||
its the same nqp i think | |||
its just a perl 6 grammar too | |||
timotimo | yeah, except it's a lot older | ||
jackfly26 | or soo parrot says | ||
or so parrot says | |||
timotimo | there have been some bugfixes to the grammar stuff in the last 8 years | 21:11 | |
jackfly26 | oh | ||
its 2018 | |||
version | |||
so should be ok | |||
timotimo | not sure when ptc and nqp diverged | ||
jackfly26 | pct* | 21:12 | |
timotimo | parrot doesn't seem to have a release newer than 2016, where did you get a ptc with a 2018 version number? | ||
jackfly26 | huh | 21:13 | |
yeah | |||
lemme check the github | |||
maybe it gets the latest version when i run make | 21:14 | ||
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timotimo | what did you download and compile? how did you even find pct? | 21:15 | |
pmurias | jackfly26: why are you using parrot? | ||
jackfly26 | to work ona language | 21:17 | |
parrot.org had it in the tutorial | |||
i just pulled from the parrot github | |||
and ran Configure.pl make make install | |||
also parrot says rakudo uses parrot | 21:18 | ||
timotimo | rakudo dropped support for parrot a couple years back | ||
jackfly26 | also i just realized i ran nqp instead of parrot-nqp | ||
so it is the 2016 version | |||
timotimo | github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/9a...3d1fc65ccb - february 2015 | 21:19 | |
pmthium.com/2015/02/suspending-rakudo-parrot/ - a blog post about it | |||
i'm sorry to say you're working off of a tutorial that may have bitrotted a little too much to be used 1:1 | 21:20 | ||
however, there is good news | |||
github.com/edumentab/rakudo-and-nq...als-course - check the "pre-built PDFs" link in the readme | 21:21 | ||
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timotimo | though i guess if you continue to use parrot-nqp maybe things will work out? though you don't really have a way forward if you want to develop the language itself much further | 21:22 | |
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jackfly26 | i guess | 21:28 | |
sorry i just i realized i had an outdated list of reserved keywords | |||
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