weekly Rakudo status meetings with phase transitions: Tue 19:00 UTC | IR clogs at irclog.perlgeek.de/phasers/today
Set by moderator on 3 September 2010.
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mberends <pre-report> translated a few more KB in jnthn/6model from .cs to .java and have similar work in progress to commit soon. Attending Amsterdam.pm tonight, possibly offline/distracted during #phasers time. May do a short Perl 6 presentation if the occasion suits. </pre-report> 16:42
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moritz_ <pre-report> fixed a small buglet in prefix:<so> and prefix:<not> (they autothreaded) 17:47
moved pugs repo to git; split it up 17:48
spend most of the week cleaning up the fallout from that
like updating perlcabal.org/syn/ , perl6.org and various cron jobs 17:49
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ash_ the next attempt at a try.rakudo.org's backend is almost complete, its using a daemon to manage actual repl's now, i am working through the issues on github's issue tracker for the repo, then i'll push it live, maybe tonight if i can find time to finish it tonight 18:00
moritz_ ash_: it's fine for it go live before you fixed all bugs -- release early, release often :-)
ash_ moritz_: well, i fixed one of them already, and tracking down the source of another, but i'll try to push all of my changes to the feather server tonight 18:01
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pmichaud <pre-report> 18:52
Been reviewing RT tickets and fixing bugs
Refactored whatever currying in Actions.pm to properly create closures
Refactoring string numification
Sped up slurp($filename) somewhat
Found another place where Parrot's GC hurts
Likely will work on .Stringy soonish
Likely will re-implement Hash soonish
Lots of design discussion on #perl6: - Discussed marking of infinite lists using ",*" - Hoping to see improved specs for series operator and range subscripting soon 18:53
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jnthn Pre-report: 19:01
LAST WEEK
* Was on vacation! \\o/
* Came back from vacation. Aww.
* Sort of caught up a bit on some stuff.
THIS WEEK
* Plan more 6model stuff, especially boxing/unboxing bits, more research into the new multi-dispatch stuff, make attributes work, and start to get some first bits of ClassHOW running
* Hope to start porting various bits I'm confident about to Parrot
* Will keep it in the 6model repo for the time being, then Branch The World when not doing so starts to block me
EOR
lue Time to start #phasers, no? 19:02
moritz_ indeed
let's start
colomon: do you have a report?
colomon erm.... 19:03
Tweaked a few minor things. Added a couple tests. Pondered what to tackle next. 19:04
.eor
moritz_ sorear?
colomon (I guess I did module work as well, not sure if that should count or not.) 19:05
moritz_ colomon: it doesn't hurt to report :-)
sorear 1. #cpan6sketch is officially dead
moritz_ :(
sorear I'm the only person with any interest in it, but I'm in the wrong timezone to promote it
so nobody has shown up for 3 weeks in a row 19:06
2. random niecza work; finally got the new regex backend working; starting to optimize it 19:08
moritz_ afk for a moment 19:11
any other reports? 19:13
mberends sorear: the only blocker on #cpan6sketch for me was the time of day. Apart from that I'd like to participate
pmichaud last week I was in a hospital and couldn't attend. week before last I couldn't make it at the time but arrived 20 mins late 19:14
PerlJam If simultenaity is a problem, might as well use email. 19:15
pmichaud the main thing is that we have people saying "don't repeat mistakes" but we don't have a list of mistakes not to repeat
moritz_ or alternative solutions 19:16
pmichaud well, I think we can come up with alternative solutions
indeed, that's what proto and pls and etc. really are
anyway, I'm fine if we hold off on cpan6 a little while longer 19:18
(or whatever it ends up being called)
mberends cpanminus is a good example of looking at the existing situation and devising a new solution that gets closer to what users often want. 19:19
pmichaud exactly. 19:20
and I think we should be aiming at cpanminus
(or something very much like it)
anyway, if nobody picks it up again in a few weeks then I may do so 19:21
if only because we need to clean up module handling for R*
mberends pmichaud: aye, great if you also decide to 19:23
get into the guts of that
sorear pmichaud: Why didn't you make this week? 19:27
pmichaud: as in, 3 hours ago
pmichaud: getting a list of mistakes from Alias et al is *exactly* what I'm trying to accomplish 19:28
s/I'm/I was/
pmichaud sorear: this week, I was on #perl6 waiting to see if anything happened with it. 19:29
sorear: I understand what you're trying to do, and approve -- but we'll need Alias to arrive at some point also. 19:30
sorear People like Alias will only arrive if someone other than me picks up the "poke a bunch of people at 1400 UTC" banner
I think a mailing list would work better 19:31
pmichaud we can certainly use perl6-compiler or perl6-languages 19:32
the problem I see with a mailing list is that there's likely to be a *ton* of bikeshedding
moritz_ especially if it's p6l
sorear yes, we would need a private mailing list
pmichaud that's traditionally what has happened on this topic
sorear: anyway, what I'm trying to convey is that many of us truly appreciate the effort you've made and share in the disappointment that it hasn't yet worked out 19:33
sorear "yet"? 19:34
pmichaud if you want to continue to push forward somehow, I'll definitely support that; if you want to give it a break for a while, I'll support that too :)
sorear you think it still has any hope?
pmichaud I'm certain that module management will be solved at some point.
just like many seemingly intractable problems in p6 land have been solved :)
sorear what does "waiting on #perl6" mean anyway
pmichaud well, for #phasers we normally see "#phasers in 9 mins" and the like 19:35
at 1600 UTC today I was active on #perl6, and just didn't open another channel for #cpan6sketch
I figured if something was happening, it'd get mentioned on #perl6 the way the other sketches do :)
sorear pmichaud: I was asleep and nobody else cares enough about #cpan6sketch to make those announcements. ***This is exactly the problem***
pmichaud sorear: okay, so we agree it's apparently not a good time to meet, and let's regroup
moritz_ sorear: don't equate "care" with "being active2 19:36
sorear ok.
moritz_, you were the one who picked Tue, ?
moritz_ sorear: I suggested it, I don't think I picked anything
pmichaud Apparently Tue doesn't work. If we're currently blocking on Alias' participation, then let's get him to suggest times.
and he may be (understandably) busy with other things, but at least we'd know. 19:37
sorear he suggested 1600 UTC and 2300 UTC initially
masak shot down the latter
moritz_ wouldn't work for me either 19:38
sorear I should have shot down the former
but I thought it wouldn't need me
pmichaud at this point, I think the important thing is to get a conversation started (with Alias).
So, let him pick a date and time and let's see if anyone can make it. I'll certainly do my best to make it.
sorear ->#toolchain? 19:39
pmichaud Like you, I figured the conversation didn't necessarily need me to be there.
I'm fine with doing it on #toolchain, if it's logged somewhere. And if it's not going to end up being more bikeshedding or a place where the me-too noise drowns out constructive discussion.
since we're already logging #cpan6sketch, that's a reasonable meeting place. 19:40
sorear I was more pondering taking the planning there
pmichaud I tend to think that discussion and identification of constraints is part of planning 19:41
but that's just me, perhaps.
sorear half of the people I want to get for #cpan6sketch are here 19:42
the other half are in #toolchain aka #cpan5
pmichaud afk, kidpickup
moritz_ aynthing else we need to discuss today? 19:46
[Coke] any blockers from parrot land? 19:49
moritz_ [Coke]: nothing beyond the usual, afaict
jnthn I may have some results from 6model re lexical handling (not closure semantics, just storage/lookup stratergy) in a week or two that I'll try and write up and suggest Parrot adopt. 19:51
colomon [Coke]: I meant to ask you about using the Parrot profiler on rakudo code -- my attempts the other day failed miserably. but that doesn't need to be done here. 19:52
jnthn I wonder if we could get the profiler to know about HLL annotations (ala .annotate) 19:54
They tend to be quite accurate, not to mention more useful from the POV of the Perl 6 developer.
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mberends jnthn: I just gave your 'Solved in Perl 6' talk again, accelerated :) 20:22
jnthn :-)
mberends: We could have a competition some day to see which one of us can give it fastest. ;-)
mberends lol
jnthn Hope it went well ;-) 20:23
mberends yes, the hecklers were put down efficiently ;-)
jnthn Good good. 20:24
mberends Juerd++ helped with that :)
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