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| sorear | DID | 05:20 | |
| niecza protoregexes use real multiple dispatch now. | |||
| WANT TO DO | |||
| finish multiple dispatch | 05:21 | ||
| finish CLR binding support | |||
| BLOCKERS | |||
| jnthn's absense | |||
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| colomon | o/ | 19:00 | |
| masak | \\o | ||
| jnthn | o/ | ||
| Util_ | \\o | ||
| masak | who would like to emcee today? | 19:01 | |
| jnthn | Well volunteered! | 19:02 | |
| masak is too distracted, sadly | |||
| and I went last week. :) | |||
| jnthn | Aww :P | ||
| OK, I'll do it... | |||
| colomon | jnthn++ | ||
| masak | jnthn++ | ||
| jnthn | ...is there really only the four of us? :) | 19:03 | |
| masak | yes. | ||
| jnthn | OK, let's do it alphabetically. :) | ||
| TimToady lrqs | |||
| Util_ | I think so | ||
| jnthn | colomon? | ||
| TimToady types left-handed today | |||
| TimToady sprain'd wrist | 19:04 | ||
| jnthn | TimToady: Just find a reason to talk about databases a lot... :) | ||
| Ouch :( | |||
| colomon | errr.... I put on a concert this weekend. Preparations and post-concert performer-hosting have occupied my entire week. Except I did get enough further on the endless pi project to do another blog post when I have time. EOR | ||
| jnthn | Endless pi...almost as good as endless pie... :) | ||
| Util_ | colomon++ # 3.14... | ||
| masak | mmm pie | 19:05 | |
| jnthn | masak? | ||
| masak | report: did not release Yapsi. painfully aware of this. will try harder this week. enormously distracted by the realities of life. submitted a few bugs, I think. EOR | ||
| jnthn | Guess I'm...oh, j is before m... :) | ||
| masak | :P | ||
| jnthn | Anyway, I went to OSDC.TW, talked about stuff, uploaded the slides. Hacked a tiny bit. | ||
| Util_ | Slide URL? | 19:06 | |
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| jnthn | My jetlag is bad this time...dunno why, normally I don't get it so much. :/ | 19:06 | |
| Anyway, been helping a guy get a GSoC proposal together to do a bunch of S09 stuff. | |||
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| jnthn | Looking promising. | 19:06 | |
| PerlJam | jnthn++ yay! | ||
| colomon | jnthn++ indeed! | ||
| jnthn | Expect to work on natively typed attrs and other compiler toolkit bits this week. | 19:07 | |
| First bit of the month is a lot of $dayjob, second half I've blocked out some Perl 6 days. | |||
| EOR | |||
| masak | S09! \\o/ | ||
| jnthn | oh, slides are at www.jnthn.net/articles.shtml | ||
| colomon | what's S09? | ||
| Util_ | thx | ||
| jnthn | Also there's code sample of the compiler developed in the talk :) | 19:08 | |
| masak | colomon: multidim arrays, hashes, and other goodies. | ||
| jnthn | Util_: Any report? | ||
| Util_ | I still intend to push out the .dmg for R* ASAP, but have only done testing&patching of Parrot branches this week. | ||
| EOR | |||
| jnthn | colomon: S09 = Synopsis 9 = the one that talks about data structures, native types and stuff... | ||
| colomon | ooooooooo | 19:09 | |
| jnthn++ | |||
| PerlJam | I have a report of sorts :) | ||
| colomon | masak++ too | ||
| jnthn | PerlJam: Go ahead :) | ||
| colomon | and Util_ ++ | ||
| *++, really | |||
| PerlJam | I said last week that I'd start looking at the book to see where it needed work. I didn't get much time to do that but I made a few notes | ||
| I decided to take the chapters in order. The first two (preface,basics) both look good and need very little modification IMHO | 19:10 | ||
| operators and subs-n-sigs have some notes for the author that need resolving and some TODOs that need flesh, but otherwise look good | |||
| All of the chapters need some sort of wrap-up at the end IMHO | 19:11 | ||
| moritz | o/ | ||
| PerlJam | EOR I guess | ||
| jnthn | PerlJam++ | 19:12 | |
| PerlJam | I'll continue to look at the book and make more notes (and write stuff where I can) | ||
| jnthn | moritz: o/ | ||
| moritz: Any report? | |||
| moritz | a short one | ||
| * got my error grant approved | |||
| * recruited [Coke]++ as a grant manager | |||
| * thought more about the spec, and discussed some of it on #perl6 | 19:13 | ||
| jnthn | Oh, excellent :) | ||
| moritz | plans for next week: | ||
| * more errors, erm, thinking about errors | |||
| * start to actually write down stuff (probably in a separate repo) | |||
| blocking on: tuits, brain | 19:14 | ||
| EOR | |||
| colomon | moritz++ | ||
| jnthn | moritz++ # very happy the grant is approved | ||
| moritz | (everybody who commented on the proposal)++ | 19:15 | |
| that is jnthn++ colomon++ jimmyz++ Util_++ pmichaud_++ PerlJam++ and everybody I forgot | |||
| masak | moritz++ | ||
| congrants! | |||
| moritz | probably masak++ too :-) | 19:16 | |
| tadzik | done: nothing, besides working on GSoC proposal | ||
| masak | I forget as well :P | ||
| Util_ | moritz++ | ||
| masak | tadzik++ | ||
| tadzik | oh, and wrote an initial spec for META.info and friends! | ||
| and got moritz++ to help | 19:17 | ||
| moritz | tadzik: please submit it tomorrow in the latest, so that some p5 folks also get a chance to look at it | ||
| jnthn | tadzik: What's your GSoC proposal about? | 19:18 | |
| moritz | and that you still have some time left to change it (I think it becomes immutable when the application period finishes) | ||
| tadzik | I think I can submit it even today | ||
| jnthn: Pod6 parser in Rakudo | |||
| jnthn: have you read it? | |||
| jnthn | oh, nice | ||
| :) | |||
| tadzik: No, got a link? | |||
| tadzik | I'd appreciate your opinion about it | ||
| sure | 19:19 | ||
| (let me convince my laptop that installing win7 is not the most important think on earth) | |||
| gist.github.com/892249 | 19:20 | ||
| jnthn: ^ | |||
| jnthn | win7 wants MOAR RAM! | ||
| All ur resource are belong to it | 19:21 | ||
| ;) | |||
| tadzik | and all my disk IO /o\\ | ||
| actually I think I was waiting for #phasers and last-call opinions on the proposal to send it | |||
| anyway: the META.info spec starting up, that'll probably just end up being S22-or-whichever redone | 19:22 | ||
| PerlJam | tadzik: submit it! | ||
| masak | \\o/ | 19:23 | |
| PerlJam | TPF only had 2 proposals last I looked. This worries me slightly (even knowing that we're all a bunch of procrastinators) | ||
| tadzik | oh, the sooner the better? :) | ||
| jnthn | tadzik: Great proposal! | 19:24 | |
| PerlJam | Well, submissions close at the end of this week. | ||
| moritz | PerlJam: on the general mentors list many admins bemoaned reduced student influx | ||
| tadzik | yeah, I remember about that | ||
| just, you know, lazy evaluation :) | |||
| moritz | 3 submissions now | ||
| jnthn | "Synopsis 26, which specifies the Perl 6 Pod format is an" - probably wants to be a comma after "format" | ||
| But that's a nitpick :) | |||
| moritz | oh, 4 | ||
| tadzik | if that's the biggest mistake you've found, I'm glad :) | 19:25 | |
| moritz | pafo has 8 | ||
| jnthn | tadzik: :) | 19:26 | |
| tadzik: Really hope this one gets approved. :) | |||
| PerlJam | yeah, I used to think that maybe parrot was riding TPF's coattails a little bit, now I think it was the other way around :) | ||
| moritz | jnthn: then sign up as a mentor, then you can vote on the proposals too | ||
| jnthn | moritz: Oh, I need to do that anyway since I have offered to mentor the S09 one :) | ||
| moritz | PerlJam: GCI changed that, I thikn | ||
| PerlJam | moritz: yep. | 19:27 | |
| tadzik | so, any last thoughts before I submit this one? | ||
| maybe we don't really want Pod after all ;P | |||
| I should've sent it on April the 1st proposing to rewrite the spec and implement it all in XML | 19:28 | ||
| masak | so obvious in retrospect. :) | 19:29 | |
| PerlJam | tadzik: you can still send that proposal, only I don't think it'll get the same response ;) | ||
| tadzik | :) | 19:30 | |
| now how do I turn a shiny LaTeX into a vulgar plaintext... | |||
| moritz | regexes! | ||
| colomon | surely there's an app for LaTeX to text out there somewhere... | 19:31 | |
| moritz: I think you meant grammars! | |||
| moritz | I have a latex2man in my $PATH | ||
| jnthn | Applied to be a GSoC mentor. | ||
| tadzik | pdflatex -> pdftotext. I'm sure it could have been done better, but... | ||
| moritz: tried that, it generated one line: "this file is generated, do not edit bla bla" | 19:32 | ||
| moritz | tadzik: you'll have to hand-edit the result anyway | ||
| Util_ | stackoverflow.com/questions/530121/...text-ascii | ||
| colomon | Util_++ | 19:33 | |
| Util_ | The canonical de-TeXing program is detex, which removes all comments and control sequences ... | 19:34 | |
| Tex2mail is slightly more than a de-TeXer — it’s a Perl script that converts TeX files into plain text files... | |||
| They said the magic word :) | |||
| PerlJam | Now that I read the S09 proposal I'm not as happy as I once was. I had imagined that it would use PDL data structures as reprs for Perl 6 datastructures, but the proposal reads like it's going to re-implement things that PDL already has. | ||
| Maybe I'm reading too much into it | |||
| tadzik | moritz: it turned out quite fine after some minor editing | 19:35 | |
| jnthn | PerlJam: Those things are in the Perl 6 spec. | 19:36 | |
| tadzik | gist.github.com/892249#file_gistfile1.txt | ||
| jnthn | PerlJam: Some PDL things are just part of Perl 6. | ||
| Whereas they weren't part of Perl 5. | |||
| So have to be in PDL | |||
| Util_ | I have not read S09 lately, but I imagine that any part of PDL's design that were non-optimal due to P5 limitations, will be redesigned for P6. Someone can write a compatibility layer for existing PDL code. | 19:37 | |
| jnthn | Right. | ||
| I think we can end up with something much nicer in Perl 6. | |||
| But doing the whole lot is way too big for a GSoC project. | 19:38 | ||
| PerlJam | yeah | ||
| tadzik takes a deep breath | |||
| jnthn | So I encouraged picking a realistically achievable set of things, which will also be useful. | ||
| tadzik | LOLISUBMITTED! | ||
| jnthn | tadzik++ | ||
| moritz | tadzik++ | 19:39 | |
| Util_ | tadzik++ | ||
| colomon | tadzik++ | ||
| PerlJam | tadzik++ you'd better made good on all this karma! ;) | ||
| s/made/make/ | |||
| tadzik | I wish I could turn karma into code :) | 19:40 | |
| so far I can do it with a tea | 19:41 | ||
| PerlJam | you can turn karma into tea? | ||
| :) | |||
| jnthn | I sometimes turn beer into karma using code as an intermediate step :) | 19:42 | |
| Util_ | "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems". s/// as approriate. | ||
| masak .oO( serializing professions to convert matter ) | 19:43 | ||
| tadzik | . o O ( karmpiler ) | 19:44 | |
| jnthn | Any more questions/discussion items for #phasers this week? | ||
| moritz | tadzik: please record your #perl6 before and after gsoc | 19:45 | |
| tadzik | moritz: my #perl6? my #perl6 karma? | 19:48 | |
| moritz: I have to get accepted first :) | 19:49 | ||
| moritz | #perl6 karma, yes | 19:50 | |
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| jnthn calls an end to #phasers | 20:06 | ||
| Thanks all :) | |||
| tadzik whistles the looney tunes tune | 20:07 | ||
| colomon | "That's all, folks!" | 20:10 | |
| tadzik | :) | 20:11 | |
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