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weekly Rakudo status meetings with phase transitions: Tue 19:00 UTC | IR clogs at irclog.perlgeek.de/phasers/today Set by moderator on 3 September 2010. |
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| mberends | <pre-report> translated a few more KB in jnthn/6model from .cs to .java and have similar work in progress to commit soon. Attending Amsterdam.pm tonight, possibly offline/distracted during #phasers time. May do a short Perl 6 presentation if the occasion suits. </pre-report> | 16:42 | |
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| moritz_ | <pre-report> fixed a small buglet in prefix:<so> and prefix:<not> (they autothreaded) | 17:47 | |
| moved pugs repo to git; split it up | 17:48 | ||
| spend most of the week cleaning up the fallout from that | |||
| like updating perlcabal.org/syn/ , perl6.org and various cron jobs | 17:49 | ||
| </pre-report> | |||
| ash_ | the next attempt at a try.rakudo.org's backend is almost complete, its using a daemon to manage actual repl's now, i am working through the issues on github's issue tracker for the repo, then i'll push it live, maybe tonight if i can find time to finish it tonight | 18:00 | |
| moritz_ | ash_: it's fine for it go live before you fixed all bugs -- release early, release often :-) | ||
| ash_ | moritz_: well, i fixed one of them already, and tracking down the source of another, but i'll try to push all of my changes to the feather server tonight | 18:01 | |
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| pmichaud | <pre-report> | 18:52 | |
| Been reviewing RT tickets and fixing bugs | |||
| Refactored whatever currying in Actions.pm to properly create closures | |||
| Refactoring string numification | |||
| Sped up slurp($filename) somewhat | |||
| Found another place where Parrot's GC hurts | |||
| Likely will work on .Stringy soonish | |||
| Likely will re-implement Hash soonish | |||
| Lots of design discussion on #perl6: - Discussed marking of infinite lists using ",*" - Hoping to see improved specs for series operator and range subscripting soon | 18:53 | ||
| </pre-report> | |||
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| jnthn | Pre-report: | 19:01 | |
| LAST WEEK | |||
| * Was on vacation! \\o/ | |||
| * Came back from vacation. Aww. | |||
| * Sort of caught up a bit on some stuff. | |||
| THIS WEEK | |||
| * Plan more 6model stuff, especially boxing/unboxing bits, more research into the new multi-dispatch stuff, make attributes work, and start to get some first bits of ClassHOW running | |||
| * Hope to start porting various bits I'm confident about to Parrot | |||
| * Will keep it in the 6model repo for the time being, then Branch The World when not doing so starts to block me | |||
| EOR | |||
| lue | Time to start #phasers, no? | 19:02 | |
| moritz_ | indeed | ||
| let's start | |||
| colomon: do you have a report? | |||
| colomon | erm.... | 19:03 | |
| Tweaked a few minor things. Added a couple tests. Pondered what to tackle next. | 19:04 | ||
| .eor | |||
| moritz_ | sorear? | ||
| colomon | (I guess I did module work as well, not sure if that should count or not.) | 19:05 | |
| moritz_ | colomon: it doesn't hurt to report :-) | ||
| sorear | 1. #cpan6sketch is officially dead | ||
| moritz_ | :( | ||
| sorear | I'm the only person with any interest in it, but I'm in the wrong timezone to promote it | ||
| so nobody has shown up for 3 weeks in a row | 19:06 | ||
| 2. random niecza work; finally got the new regex backend working; starting to optimize it | 19:08 | ||
| moritz_ afk for a moment | 19:11 | ||
| any other reports? | 19:13 | ||
| mberends | sorear: the only blocker on #cpan6sketch for me was the time of day. Apart from that I'd like to participate | ||
| pmichaud | last week I was in a hospital and couldn't attend. week before last I couldn't make it at the time but arrived 20 mins late | 19:14 | |
| PerlJam | If simultenaity is a problem, might as well use email. | 19:15 | |
| pmichaud | the main thing is that we have people saying "don't repeat mistakes" but we don't have a list of mistakes not to repeat | ||
| moritz_ | or alternative solutions | 19:16 | |
| pmichaud | well, I think we can come up with alternative solutions | ||
| indeed, that's what proto and pls and etc. really are | |||
| anyway, I'm fine if we hold off on cpan6 a little while longer | 19:18 | ||
| (or whatever it ends up being called) | |||
| mberends | cpanminus is a good example of looking at the existing situation and devising a new solution that gets closer to what users often want. | 19:19 | |
| pmichaud | exactly. | 19:20 | |
| and I think we should be aiming at cpanminus | |||
| (or something very much like it) | |||
| anyway, if nobody picks it up again in a few weeks then I may do so | 19:21 | ||
| if only because we need to clean up module handling for R* | |||
| mberends | pmichaud: aye, great if you also decide to | 19:23 | |
| get into the guts of that | |||
| sorear | pmichaud: Why didn't you make this week? | 19:27 | |
| pmichaud: as in, 3 hours ago | |||
| pmichaud: getting a list of mistakes from Alias et al is *exactly* what I'm trying to accomplish | 19:28 | ||
| s/I'm/I was/ | |||
| pmichaud | sorear: this week, I was on #perl6 waiting to see if anything happened with it. | 19:29 | |
| sorear: I understand what you're trying to do, and approve -- but we'll need Alias to arrive at some point also. | 19:30 | ||
| sorear | People like Alias will only arrive if someone other than me picks up the "poke a bunch of people at 1400 UTC" banner | ||
| I think a mailing list would work better | 19:31 | ||
| pmichaud | we can certainly use perl6-compiler or perl6-languages | 19:32 | |
| the problem I see with a mailing list is that there's likely to be a *ton* of bikeshedding | |||
| moritz_ | especially if it's p6l | ||
| sorear | yes, we would need a private mailing list | ||
| pmichaud | that's traditionally what has happened on this topic | ||
| sorear: anyway, what I'm trying to convey is that many of us truly appreciate the effort you've made and share in the disappointment that it hasn't yet worked out | 19:33 | ||
| sorear | "yet"? | 19:34 | |
| pmichaud | if you want to continue to push forward somehow, I'll definitely support that; if you want to give it a break for a while, I'll support that too :) | ||
| sorear | you think it still has any hope? | ||
| pmichaud | I'm certain that module management will be solved at some point. | ||
| just like many seemingly intractable problems in p6 land have been solved :) | |||
| sorear | what does "waiting on #perl6" mean anyway | ||
| pmichaud | well, for #phasers we normally see "#phasers in 9 mins" and the like | 19:35 | |
| at 1600 UTC today I was active on #perl6, and just didn't open another channel for #cpan6sketch | |||
| I figured if something was happening, it'd get mentioned on #perl6 the way the other sketches do :) | |||
| sorear | pmichaud: I was asleep and nobody else cares enough about #cpan6sketch to make those announcements. ***This is exactly the problem*** | ||
| pmichaud | sorear: okay, so we agree it's apparently not a good time to meet, and let's regroup | ||
| moritz_ | sorear: don't equate "care" with "being active2 | 19:36 | |
| sorear | ok. | ||
| moritz_, you were the one who picked Tue, ? | |||
| moritz_ | sorear: I suggested it, I don't think I picked anything | ||
| pmichaud | Apparently Tue doesn't work. If we're currently blocking on Alias' participation, then let's get him to suggest times. | ||
| and he may be (understandably) busy with other things, but at least we'd know. | 19:37 | ||
| sorear | he suggested 1600 UTC and 2300 UTC initially | ||
| masak shot down the latter | |||
| moritz_ | wouldn't work for me either | 19:38 | |
| sorear | I should have shot down the former | ||
| but I thought it wouldn't need me | |||
| pmichaud | at this point, I think the important thing is to get a conversation started (with Alias). | ||
| So, let him pick a date and time and let's see if anyone can make it. I'll certainly do my best to make it. | |||
| sorear | ->#toolchain? | 19:39 | |
| pmichaud | Like you, I figured the conversation didn't necessarily need me to be there. | ||
| I'm fine with doing it on #toolchain, if it's logged somewhere. And if it's not going to end up being more bikeshedding or a place where the me-too noise drowns out constructive discussion. | |||
| since we're already logging #cpan6sketch, that's a reasonable meeting place. | 19:40 | ||
| sorear | I was more pondering taking the planning there | ||
| pmichaud | I tend to think that discussion and identification of constraints is part of planning | 19:41 | |
| but that's just me, perhaps. | |||
| sorear | half of the people I want to get for #cpan6sketch are here | 19:42 | |
| the other half are in #toolchain aka #cpan5 | |||
| pmichaud | afk, kidpickup | ||
| moritz_ | aynthing else we need to discuss today? | 19:46 | |
| [Coke] | any blockers from parrot land? | 19:49 | |
| moritz_ | [Coke]: nothing beyond the usual, afaict | ||
| jnthn | I may have some results from 6model re lexical handling (not closure semantics, just storage/lookup stratergy) in a week or two that I'll try and write up and suggest Parrot adopt. | 19:51 | |
| colomon | [Coke]: I meant to ask you about using the Parrot profiler on rakudo code -- my attempts the other day failed miserably. but that doesn't need to be done here. | 19:52 | |
| jnthn | I wonder if we could get the profiler to know about HLL annotations (ala .annotate) | 19:54 | |
| They tend to be quite accurate, not to mention more useful from the POV of the Perl 6 developer. | |||
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| mberends | jnthn: I just gave your 'Solved in Perl 6' talk again, accelerated :) | 20:22 | |
| jnthn | :-) | ||
| mberends: We could have a competition some day to see which one of us can give it fastest. ;-) | |||
| mberends | lol | ||
| jnthn | Hope it went well ;-) | 20:23 | |
| mberends | yes, the hecklers were put down efficiently ;-) | ||
| jnthn | Good good. | 20:24 | |
| mberends | Juerd++ helped with that :) | ||
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