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[08:15] No US, freebsd.amsterdam does freebsd vms where they donate proceeds to openbsd [08:15] openbsd.amsterdam [08:15] ah, too bad [08:16] we used to have monthly perl+raku meetups at my work before the 'rona in Amsterdam [08:16] (and intend to bring it back after, whenever that may be) [08:16] might've been fun if you're looking for more Raku in your life [08:17] Hopefully sooner in Europe's case. It's going to take a while over here [08:17] we can only hope, sadly [08:18] here many people seem to not care, still [08:19] we just had our biggest day friday [08:20] for infections that is [08:20] *** jmerelo joined [08:20] we got it hopping between animals and people, apparently [08:21] specifically minks in mink farms [08:21] *** aluaces left [08:22] ah, at least it's not pet/food livestock [08:22] I certainly hope not [08:39] *** sxmx left [08:53] *** sxmx joined [09:08] *** xinming_ left [09:09] ¦ doc: 2403170f0c | (Patrick Böker)++ (committed by Juan Julián Merelo Guervós) | 2 files [09:09] ¦ doc: Rework object construction documentation [09:09] ¦ doc: [09:09] ¦ doc: This is mostly a rewording and restructuring of the previous material with [09:09] ¦ doc: the aim of being clearer and easier to understand. [09:09] ¦ doc: [09:09] ¦ doc: Also several statements that I believe to be false have been corrected: [09:09] ¦ doc: [09:09] ¦ doc: <…commit message has 8 more lines…> [09:09] ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/Raku/doc/commit/2403170f0c [09:10] *** xinming_ joined [09:11] *** pecastro joined [09:21] *** Altai-man joined [09:24] *** sena_kun left [09:36] *** aluaces joined [09:42] *** natrys joined [10:11] *** rindolf joined [10:15] *** BenGoldberg joined [10:28] *** pecastro left [10:33] *** BenGoldberg left [10:37] *** sxmx left [10:37] *** sxmx joined [10:58] *** natrys left [11:02] ¦ doc: 77a673648f | (JJ Merelo)++ | highlights/package.json [11:02] ¦ doc: Updates to fix vulnerabilities [11:02] ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/Raku/doc/commit/77a673648f [11:02] New module released to CPAN! Text::MathematicalCase (0.0.4) by 03ELIZABETH [11:06] how do i put a shaped coordinate into a variable? [11:06] as in my @a[2;2] = , ; say @a[1;1] [11:07] how do i put 1;1 into a variable so @a[$x] works? [11:07] i tried to use a Pair but that did not work :/ [11:20] Doc_Holliwood: you can't at the moment, there's a PR to support that in the future [11:20] https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/3953 to be precise [11:22] in fact, I just merged it [11:30] ¦ ecosystem/JJ-patch-1: 7ce7c751c7 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | META.list [11:30] ¦ ecosystem/JJ-patch-1: Release last version to the ecosystem [11:30] ¦ ecosystem/JJ-patch-1: review: https://github.com/Raku/ecosystem/commit/7ce7c751c7 [11:30] ¦ ecosystem: JJ++ created pull request #558: Release last version to the ecosystem [11:30] ¦ ecosystem: review: https://github.com/Raku/ecosystem/pull/558 [11:40] I see, ty [11:41] *** patrickb joined [11:57] *** Chi1thangoo joined [11:58] *** xinming_ left [11:59] *** xinming_ joined [12:10] *** DarthGandalf left [12:14] *** DarthGandalf joined [12:14] *** xinming_ left [12:15] *** xinming_ joined [12:17] ¦ doc: 608ad830b6 | Coke++ | xt/pws/code.pws [12:17] ¦ doc: new class name in code example [12:17] ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/Raku/doc/commit/608ad830b6 [12:17] ¦ doc: 1e8ee5b903 | Coke++ | doc/Language/objects.pod6 [12:17] ¦ doc: fix preamble so example compiles [12:17] ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/Raku/doc/commit/1e8ee5b903 [12:17] Link: https://docs.raku.org/language/objects [12:19] *** Doc_Holliwood left [13:00] *** donaldh joined [13:01] *** jmerelo left [13:07] *** gordonfish joined [13:18] And yet another Rakudo Weekly News hits the Net: https://rakudoweekly.blog/2020/10/26/2020-43-release-and-star/ [13:22] That second challenge looks fun [13:22] *** sena_kun joined [13:24] *** Altai-man left [13:25] *** BenGoldberg joined [13:31] Wait lizmat, you're the Rakudo weekly author? [13:31] eh, yeah, usually :-) [13:32] Oh heck, I didn't even realize! Thank you so much for your work on that, it's one of my favorite parts of the Raku community! [13:32] <3 [13:32] glad to hear that :-) [13:41] *** xinming_ left [13:41] *** patrickb left [13:43] *** xinming_ joined [13:45] *** Sgeo joined [13:45] *** aborazmeh joined [13:45] *** aborazmeh left [13:45] *** aborazmeh joined [13:46] *** sena_kun left [13:57] *** lucasb joined [13:59] *** bioexpress joined [14:00] *** frost-lab left [14:00] *** BenGoldberg left [14:01] *** skids joined [14:07] Hello, `choose-multi` from `Term::Choose` returns the chosen elements as an Array. Is that OK or should it return the chosen elements as a List? [14:08] do you want the returned array to be mutable ? [14:14] *** tejr left [14:16] *** tejr joined [14:20] *** perryprog left [14:20] *** aborazmeh left [14:20] *** perryprog joined [14:21] lizmat, what does that mean? [14:21] should you be able to change the values in the array that is returned, or should they be considered constants [14:23] I am not shure. [14:26] IME it doesn't usually make much of a difference [14:27] *** skids left [14:27] Maybe it is the best to keep it as it is (Array), so I don't have to break backwards compatibily. [14:27] lizmat++ [14:27] I would say the calling code takes ownership of the response, and therefore it is fine for it to be mutable [14:27] I can imagine a situation where a substitution would be applied over the results, for instance [14:28] *** epony left [14:29] Altreus: this doesn't matter in anything like: my @a = Term::Choose.choos-multi [14:30] it would only make a difference in something like: for Term::Choose.choose-multi { $_ = 42 } [14:30] and that would be rare, I think [14:33] well when the choices are "break" or "do nothing"... [14:34] well, I would vote for break in this case, as apparently the user has a wrong idea of what is going on there [14:37] agreed [14:38] feels like some kind of sink context to me [14:38] although the array itself isn't sunk ... nothing is being done [14:39] Can you make an array that's immutable unless it's put somewhere? :/ [14:39] but if it's put somewhere, it does not need to be mutable ? [14:41] I mean if I do my @a = Term::Choose.choose-multi, then I want @a to be mutable [14:41] rather, its items [14:41] Because if I do the for example, I want it not to be, since mutating it will have no effect [14:41] yeah, but in that case it doesn't matter whether it returns an Array or a List [14:41] oh, yes that's the difference [14:41] I lost sight of that :D [14:41] I got stuck on mutable vs immutable array [14:50] *** domidumont joined [14:53] *** parabolize joined [14:59] *** epony joined [15:00] *** bioexpress left [15:09] *** xinming_ left [15:10] *** xinming_ joined [15:24] <[Coke]> m: dd , [15:24] rakudo-moar 85847d2f1: OUTPUT: «("a", "b")␤"a"␤» [15:24] <[Coke]> m: dd , [15:24] rakudo-moar 85847d2f1: OUTPUT: «("a", "b")␤"a,"␤» [15:25] <[Coke]> is there a way to use <> but get a single item list? [15:26] m: dd [15:26] rakudo-moar 85847d2f1: OUTPUT: «"a"␤» [15:27] [Coke]: don't think so [15:27] <[Coke]> ok [15:29] Oh I don't like that at all [15:29] seems bizarre not to always be a list [15:34] m: dd < a > [15:34] rakudo-moar 85847d2f1: OUTPUT: «"a"␤» [15:41] <[Coke]> m: dd qw/a/; [15:41] rakudo-moar 85847d2f1: OUTPUT: «"a"␤» [15:41] <[Coke]> m: dd qw/a b/; [15:41] rakudo-moar 85847d2f1: OUTPUT: «("a", "b")␤» [15:46] *** perryprog left [15:47] *** perryprog joined [15:59] *** xinming_ left [16:00] *** xinming_ joined [16:20] *** xinming_ left [16:22] *** xinming_ joined [16:22] *** sena_kun joined [16:27] *** thundergnat joined [16:27] dd .list [16:27] thundergnat, rakudo-moar b1912d9fc: OUTPUT: «("a",)␤» [16:28] The single argument rule is very useful but there are odd corners where it bites you. [16:29] <[Coke]> m: dd .list [16:29] rakudo-moar 85847d2f1: OUTPUT: «("a", "b")␤» [16:29] <[Coke]> mmm. could do that if I really want the <> syntax, thank you [16:30] I was iterating through arrays of Ranges and had to special case for arrays with only one element because of single arg. Not a problem once I figured it out, but very surprising initially. 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[22:03] \p [22:03] Er. \o [22:04] o/ [22:07] *** vrurg left [22:09] *** wamba joined [22:11] moon-child: i don't remember if the current jvm backend can be compiled with the graalvm compiler, but pmurias++ started a truffle version (https://github.com/Raku/nqp/tree/truffle) of the backend. it still needs a lot of work, but it shows impressive promise [22:12] *** vrurg joined [22:23] MasterDuke: cool, good to know! [22:24] *** skids joined [22:39] *** pecastro joined [22:43] *** Altai-man left [22:52] *** ape666 joined [22:56] *** sftp left [22:58] *** pecastro left [22:59] *** __jrjsmrtn__ joined [23:00] *** _jrjsmrtn left [23:02] *** ape666 left [23:04] *** cpan-raku left [23:07] *** cpan-raku joined [23:07] *** cpan-raku left [23:07] *** cpan-raku joined [23:08] *** Chi1thangoo left [23:08] *** Chi1thangoo joined [23:10] weekly: https://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=11123120 [23:10] Doc_Holliwood, Noted! (weekly) [23:10] a bit late perhaps [23:11] lizmat [23:18] m: say 0 < rakudo-moar 85847d2f1: OUTPUT: «5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling ␤Missing << or >>␤at :1␤------> 3say 0 < https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/apEUHeBh/1603754682.JPG [23:25] ^^ https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VLfDl9Ac/1603754692.JPG [23:29] SmokeMachine: hey I work there :D [23:31] Are you guys working with Raku? [23:31] kawaii: ^^ [23:32] Just me at the moment, very small internal projects and experiments. :) [23:42] *** BenGoldberg joined [23:45] *** sftp joined