[00:02] <[Coke]> I don't think we can get at unicode 1 names from raku... checking...

[00:05] <[Coke]> (I had started with unicode 1 name but didn't see how to get it then got sucked into the alias rabbit hole)

[00:07] <[Coke]> m:         # XXXX: Unicode_1_Name is not used yet; we should make sure

[00:07] <[Coke]>         #       it ends up in some data structure eventually

[00:07] <evalable6> [Coke], rakudo-moar b18dd713a: OUTPUT: «»

[00:07] <[Coke]> ^^ from nqp/MoarVM/tools/ucd2c.pl

[00:07] <[Coke]> ugexe++

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[00:13] <apogee_ntv> Uploaded ComfyUI::API and HuggingFace::API (partial implementation)

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[13:03] <[Coke]> windows question - is there any way to write a raku script so that it uses the shebang on non-windows, and is run with raku from powershell? (I have to explicitly run raku a/b.raku for this project on windows, and am annoyed)

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[13:14] <patrickb> https://raku.land/zef:patrickb/Devel::ExecRunnerGenerator

[13:14] <patrickb> [Coke]: ^ this is a possible solution

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[13:22] <patrickb> you can set the program to run an extension with on Windows. but it's fragile and a pain to set up.

[13:28] <[Coke]> I'm recommending rakubrew for installs for folks using windows at $dayjob, so yah, that's hard to use the .extension trick on

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[13:38] <apogee_ntv> You get to use Raku at dayjob?

[13:38] <apogee_ntv> Envious

[13:56] <disbot2> <antononcube> You do not need tell co-workers that you use Raku at your day job.

[14:06] <ugexe> lots of jobs require you use a list of known programs/software so security teams can reason about attack surface

[14:06] <ugexe> like even if a job is ok with you using raku, at many places you'd still need to at least have "raku" on a list of somewhere

[14:07] <ugexe> which implies telling at least one co-worker

[14:13] <ugexe> "Over the last few months, we have stopped getting AI slop security reports in the curl project," said Daniel Stenberg, founder and lead developer of curl, in a social media post. "They're gone. Instead, we get an ever-increasing amount of really good security reports, almost all done with the help of AI."

[14:14] <ugexe> this is kind of interesting, as in the past curl has been used as an example of where llms were wasting peoples time

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[14:27] <ugexe> then again stuff like "575 Pull Requests in Three Weeks: What Happens When AI Meets CPAN Maintenance" isn't going to help convince skeptics 

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[14:35] <timo> I might be more agreeable to using LLMs to hunt for bugs, as long as I don't have to read raw LLM output in tickets

[14:36] <disbot2> <antononcube> That was my last payed project -- working on a AI-agent that helps finding the root causes of "software defects."

[14:37] <disbot2> <antononcube> I was close to installing Raku at Windows on work-computer for that project, BTW.

[14:38] <disbot2> <antononcube> Again, that Raku would have been just for my own consumption / usage.

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[14:45] <ugexe> if you're a contractor, yeah sure its a bit easier. but even then, and moreso for non-contractors, what you are allowed to install on your work computer isn't up to you in the moment

[14:45] <ugexe> if your computer can access e.g. user data for instance they need to show some measure of compliance against exfiltration of that data

[14:47] <ugexe> practically speaking i can install whatever i want on my work computer and nothing technically stops me in the moment. but i'm not supposed to do that, i'm supposed to get it cleared if it isn't already

[15:02] <[Coke]> (raku at work) right, I needed to get approval for raku and the artistic 2.0 license specifically.

[15:06] <disbot2> <antononcube> More or less, same here -- I have in mind computers provided by the client. Permissions are needed, of course. But in some cases as "a developer" I have more freedom.

[15:13] <[Coke]> there is also an OSS scanning tool for known CVEs, etc. (there's a legal obligation for OSS code, there's a security obligation)

[15:14] <[Coke]> there can be differences code running as part of development, part of build, and deployed. (and where it's deployed may matter: front end client facing, backend in a container in your cloud service...)

[15:15] <[Coke]> I think we're operating under "anything devs or devops use on something that is or is going into production must be cleared"

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[15:56] <apogee_ntv> I am a contractor but I'd be reluctant to pitch building in a lang my clients can't hire for.

[15:57] <[Coke]> In my use case, the usage is all internal.

[15:57] <[Coke]> ... and honestly, is 99% me.

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[16:52] <disbot2> <librasteve> I'm a developer and I have used Raku in most of my projects that need some kind of scripting ... be that data migration, system upgrade scripts (for my use) and so on

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[17:43] <disbot2> <antononcube> I have mentioned this before -- I consider Raku to be a "secret weapon." (Also, Wolfram Language.)

[17:49] <disbot2> <antononcube> Although, Wolfram Language I do get contract jobs the explicitly require it.

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