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(weekly) [08:55] *** soverysour joined [09:00] *** soverysour left [09:39] librasteve_: This was the thing I was working on https://raku.land/zef:apogee/Selkie -- appreciate any input. [09:41] Retained mode, opinionated (inspired by re-frame), declarative, default-safe TUI framework with native performance. [09:44] *** sibl left [09:50] *** soverysour joined [09:55] *** soverysour left [10:15] *** topnep left [10:16] *** topnep joined [10:32] *** soverysour joined [10:32] *** soverysour left [10:32] *** soverysour joined [10:36] apogee_ntv: this is very nice … installed deps on homebrew painlessly and then Selkie itself … counter works … so far so good [10:38] (except I have to go Ctrl-C to quit ??) [10:47] Ctrl-Q and Ctrl-C should both work [10:49] If Ctrl-Q doesn't work please let me know what terminal you're on and I'll investigate [10:49] *** sjn left [10:49] *** Aedil joined [10:50] apogee_ntv: I wrote it before, but consider asciinema examples [10:55] Voldenet: I am definitely planning to do some video demos. [10:55] I dont know if asciinema is better than VHS with notcurses, raw mode can be a pain to automate recordings for. [10:55] other thing - consider typed stores, current store is too vanilla Redux js to me, maybe something like `store X { has Int $.a; }; my $store = X.new; $store.register-handler('counter/increment', -> $st { $st.a })` [10:56] maybe even typed with customized dispatch and reducers, but I'm not sure if it's supposed to support immutable store state (like redux) [11:00] *** soverysour left [11:00] Typed stores are an interesting idea for sure, I've just been typing the accessors and using Monad::Maybe for optional values [11:01] or even, register-handler could be per-property somehow [11:02] You can already register multiple handlers for 1 event IIRC so thats not impossible [11:02] `$store.register-handler(*.a, -> $a, %ev { … }); $store.subscribe(*.a, $widget); $store.dispatch(*.a)` [11:03] i remember that using untyped store in Redux is huge pain [11:03] especially if the global state grows [11:05] Yeah, it's definitely not ideal for large app state. [11:06] this has nice ideas regarding syntax https://fco.github.io/Sourcing-2/ [11:08] yeah Ctrl-Q no working for me on vanilla macOS Terminal [11:08] you could do something like `store MyStore { has Int $.x; method increment-counter() is mutation { $!x++ }; method get-counter() is query { $!x } }` also [11:09] *** soverysour joined [11:09] that would define register-handler using simplified syntax [11:09] Everyone is in a hurry to reinvent text-based terminals. [11:09] https://github.com/m-doughty/Selkie/issues/1 [11:10] This is what I get for only testing on kitty :D [11:10] Ctrl-P is fine btw (dashboard example) [11:11] @antononcube - all code is fashion ... TUI is one of the current trends (as a way to make coders look even more geeky to the non-coder folks) [11:12] antononcube: I would be more worried if they were in a hurry to reinvent picture-based terminals [11:13] sixels are not supported on my terminal at all though [11:13] on asciinema - I have been messing with it (a lot) eg here https://cragcli.info (too much already!) [11:13] never tried on a TUI [11:14] this site uses Air::Plugin::Asciinema ... which is built on the asciinema JS player [11:16] if I were to do that again, I would consider instead to use agg (asciinema gif generator) due to the lack of layout control the JS player offers ... [11:16] TLDR: try agg if you need to share asciinema recordings [11:17] wonders if you could build a TUI RAG with Selkie? [11:17] *** simcop2387 left [11:18] *** simcop2387_ joined [11:18] I've seen a lot of people upload things to asciinema.org directly and then embedding things in readme [11:19] TUI is a good trend tbh, better than Electron lol [11:19] I am so fed up of trivial apps that take 1GB+ RAM [11:19] *** simcop2387_ is now known as simcop2387 [11:20] TUI is performant and doesnt require binding and vendoring GTK or Qt [11:20] everything is better than Electron, if you're making html page, why bother repackaging it :\ [11:21] and making me run 10 separate browser engines at the same time, eh [11:22] once you load the obnoxiously heavy browser, js webapps can get quite small on top of it, I can run 100 at the same time for "free" [11:31] No, it is not that. Or, more precisely, it is not just that. The main reason is "big" LLM providers prefer to facilitate the LLM access via dedicated CLI tools. [11:32] And this dictates certain fashion of text terminal adoption. (Which in many ways should be a "no brainer"...) [11:33] Voldenet: yes asciinema has a cloud service too - good point … you can use that with Air::Plugin::Asciinema too [11:38] librasteve_: Fixed Ctrl-Q on MacOS Terminal (and any other that sets IXON/IXOFF) in Selkie 0.2.3 [11:39] tbh I thought notcurses did this automatically. [12:06] *** sp19833_ joined [12:25] all good with Ctrl-Q -tx! [12:32] Sweet, let me know if you hit anything else. BTW there are full API docs at https://github.com/m-doughty/Selkie/blob/master/docs/api/index.md -- will get a site up at some point to make this stuff easier to navigate. [12:36] *** sp19833_ left [12:37] *** sp19833_ joined [13:03] *** sp19833_ left [13:04] *** sp19833_ joined [13:45] *** sjn joined [13:46] *** sp19833_ left