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How are “routines” like App { … } and so on implemented… is it maybe a raku subroutine being passed a block? [07:06] weekly: https://github.com/FCO/Selkie-UI/tree/main/examples [07:06] librasteve, Noted! (weekly) [07:07] weekly: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r8h6vvcQ/CleanShot%202026-05-05%20at%2023.35.36.gif [07:07] librasteve, Noted! (weekly) [07:11] librasteve: exactly… https://github.com/FCO/Selkie-UI/blob/72f37b30c62d5599bcc5e85f648d769a90327430/lib/Selkie/UI.rakumod#L137 [07:18] looks very nice … seems there is a fine line in raku between “pseudo DSL” … such as this, Air::Functional, Cro routes (by which I mean making a library that populates a lot of domain specific subroutines into standard Raku) and a “full DSL” with Grammar, Action and Slangify. [07:20] *** Sgeo left [07:22] *** peder left [07:26] I think there is a 3rd intermediate one, something like this: https://github.com/m-doughty/MCP-Server/blob/master/examples/DSL/echo-server.raku or Red that uses “new kind of classes” [07:26] *** peder joined [07:28] That “subvertes” classes, comments, etc… [07:44] *** eseyman left [07:45] *** manu_ joined [07:46] *** manu_ is now known as eseyman [08:30] librasteve: 👆 [09:04] yeah - very good point [09:58] librasteve: I'm thinking on playing with this idea: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/T8A6EFmN/CleanShot%202026-05-06%20at%2010.55.03.gif [09:59] *** dano left [10:00] librasteve: an look how simple the code is: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Dsx4swqV/zelfie.raku [10:08] nice [10:08] my @items = %list.keys.sort.grep: *.so; # wouldn't it make sense to first grep and then sort ? [10:08] Yes, it would [10:17] that is lovely - ship it! [10:19] what do you think of a DSL editor - is it too hard? (I heard that it may need new Selkie edit features) [10:20] *** librasteve_ joined [10:27] *** guifa joined [10:31] librasteve: it will be shipped inside Selkie::UI… as a bin/ [10:32] librasteve_: about the DSL editor, I still don’t get how it would/do. Could you explain a bit more about that, please? [10:47] *** dano joined [10:48] something like this https://langium.org/showcase/arithmetics/ - It would take a mydsl.rakumod with Grammar and Actions and a heredoc for DSL source on the edit side (syntax hilites can wait for v2.0) where the preview pane is text made by the actions (eg just say ~$match.made) (other view filters such as pdf or html can wait for v3.0) [10:50] even better would be a 3rd (openable) pane for Grammar::Tracer output [10:50] *** guifa left [10:52] *** guifa joined [10:56] *** guifa left [10:58] *** Guest6550 joined [10:58] *** Guest6550 left [10:59] *** Guest6550 joined [10:59] *** guifa joined [11:01] I have been playing with raku for a bit. There is one thing I have a problem with, though raku is a pretty awesome language. I have this problem with regex where I want to match a string, but part of it I would need to negate as in this should not appear in the text I have no idea how to go about searching for this in the documentation in the first place [11:02] *** oodani left [11:03] *** oodani joined [11:04] *** guifa left [11:06] *** oodani left [11:07] *** oodani joined [11:11] librasteve_: something like what I wrote for grammars? [11:13] Guest6550: could you give an example of a string that should match, and one that shouldn't? [11:15] lizmat something like Randomtext.S01 should not be a match for the reason it contains S\d\d and Random.other.Text.2026 should be a match since it does not contain the S\d\d [11:15] librasteve_: I plan to continue playing with that, but for now this is how it looks: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/syXZI7yL/CleanShot%202026-05-06%20at%2012.13.18.gif [11:17] but I plan to make the output prettier... I also think we could color each part of the output with the same color we color each token and the part it matches on the string... but I don't know how to add colors to editable texts... [11:18] Guest6550: well, one way to do that is: !$string.contains(/ S\d\d /) so simply negating the result of .contains [11:19] lizmat: that seems much simpler than the regex solution I was trying to build :) [11:20] it's still a regex solution of sorts :-) [11:21] .contains is just a handy shortcut if you just want to know *if* something is in a string, not necessarily what or where [11:22] and by negating that, if something is *not* in a string :-) [11:22] yes, it does seem to be much more managable than building a more complex regex :-) [11:37] *** Voldenet left [11:37] *** Voldenet_ joined [11:37] *** Voldenet_ is now known as Voldenet [11:38] *** [Coke] left [12:05] *** [Coke] joined [12:41] oh sorry I had forgotten that you already made selkie-ui-grammar-playground - fantastic (I blame days of working on byzantine FatRatStr rounding code) [12:42] brilliant - I hope to get DSL back to the foreground soon [12:58] *** eseyman left [12:59] *** manu_ joined [12:59] *** manu_ is now known as eseyman [13:16] *** lizmat left [13:32] *** shareable6 left [13:34] *** shareable6 joined [13:37] *** lizmat joined [13:47] *** lizmat left [13:48] *** lizmat joined [14:09] *** tejr left [14:10] *** Aedil left [14:11] *** tejr joined [14:18] *** Aedil joined [14:57] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48037017 [14:58] Please vote if you like it , thanks [15:26] <[Coke]> are there any http user agents in the ecosystem that respect 429 and will retry? [15:26] <[Coke]> (Doesn't look like HTTP::UserAgent does) [15:28] <[Coke]> (nor Cro) [15:38] automatic retry is tricky, because you definitely need to know about the context of the application to make a good decision. in Go there's some libraries that wrap the standard client, but I always want to roll my own because HTTP is so low level, and I always need to do some funky config [15:38] but Go isn't as expressive, so a wrapper library is probably going to be more powerful in Raku [15:39] <[Coke]> I would definitely want guardrails on it (on x number of retrys, what's the algorithm for waiting, etc.) [15:40] <[Coke]> In the meantime, will write my own for this module that is using HTTP:UA and wrap all the http calls in it rather than doing a subclass of the UA [15:42] here is some inspiration for the kinds of considerations https://www.envoyproxy.io/docs/envoy/latest/api-v3/config/route/v3/route_components.proto#envoy-v3-api-msg-config-route-v3-retrypolicy [15:43] envoy has all the complicated stuff laid out in its equally complicated configuration