[00:17] *** kjp left [00:20] *** kjp joined [00:34] *** MasterDuke joined [00:34] .seen Xliff [00:34] MasterDuke, I saw Xliff 2025-07-05T21:33:48Z in #raku: apogee_ntv: I'm not against that approach. [00:35] sadly i think he's a new entry for IN-MEMORIAM. https://www.legacy.com/legacy/clifton-wood [00:48] *** MasterDuke left [00:53] Xliff?? Unbelievable and so sad. :( [01:04] *** kylese left [01:04] *** hulk joined [01:18] :( Very sad, I didn't know him well but we had some great chats about wrapping notcurses and I don't think Selkie would exist without those chats. [01:33] So young too. [01:49] *** annamalai joined [02:01] *** kylese joined [02:02] *** hulk left [02:06] *** dg left [02:15] *** kylese left [02:15] *** kylese joined [02:31] *** oodani left [02:35] *** oodani joined [02:56] *** dg joined [03:29] *** vasko4535586 left [03:31] *** vasko4535586 joined [04:20] *** sibl joined [04:31] It’s sad ( [06:19] *** abraxxa joined [06:30] *** Sgeo left [07:27] *** Aedil left [08:21] jjatria: hi! [09:07] 😫Xliff?! [09:25] *** lizmat_ left [09:26] *** lizmat joined [09:29] *** Aedil joined [09:37] *** abraxxa left [10:10] *** ilogger2 left [10:10] *** ilogger2_ joined [10:15] *** sibl left [10:39] *** Aedil left [10:40] *** Aedil joined [10:57] *** librasteve_ joined [11:07] sombre news indeed [11:10] yikes... [11:11] indeed, no Github activity after July 5th :-( [11:55] https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/b49217d2d7 [12:18] *** mahlay left [12:21] *** mahlay joined [13:21] seems that %*ENV; no longer works in macOS - need qx|defaults read -g AppleLocale| grrr [13:22] at least for en_GB and so on [13:22] wish they would stop monkeying with Unix [13:22] shows "C.UTF-8" for me on Tahoe [13:23] used to also show en_GB (ymmv) I believe [13:23] % defaults read -g AppleLocale [13:23] en_NL [13:24] do the L1ON packages auto detect locale? [13:24] nope, they're locale agnostic afaik [13:25] yeah - guess that's better [13:30] *** mahlay left [13:31] *** maylay joined [13:34] *** maylay left [13:41] *** gcd joined [14:18] *** maylay joined [14:33] I've had many nice chats with Xliff both on channel and in DMs. I'll miss him a lot for sure :( [14:33] *** maylay left [14:36] and his work on all the GTK bindings of just a boatload of libraries was impressive [14:36] Yeah we went back and forth a lot on notcurses bindings as well [14:36] *** maylay joined [14:37] He had a stab at it a year before I published Notcurses::Native and basically handed me a massive list of pain points that really helped. [14:38] ah, I knew there were some notcurses related things before you worked on it, but I didn't remember it was Xliff's work [14:43] https://github.com/Xliff/raku-Terminal-NotCurses [14:43] Yeah this one [14:46] fwiw, I've made local copies of all non-forked XLiff repos [14:59] *** abraxxa joined [15:24] just emerging from a twisty maze of FatRat rounding (I feel like that time I decided to disassemble my motorbike engine) ... only in Raku can you write a line of code like: $error //= .absolute.Rat; [15:24] "absolute" can be used to turn the majority of words into what sounds like a curse word / insult [15:46] yeah - working on my code poetry [15:48] an expressive language like raku where you often have a lot of choice for the order of words in your line is probably well suited for that kind of thing, huh? [15:48] *** abraxxa left [16:09] I often think that code intent is much clearer when it embodies some "story telling" ... it's hard to give examples, but you know it when you see it and - yes- this aspect is definitely improved by Raku flexible word order and whitespace [16:25] oh, that is sad [16:25] here’s kind of what I mean - took me a while to hammer down the corners of this - the previous version was a mess! https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dwJ2NWam [16:57] *** human-blip left [16:59] *** human-blip joined [17:56] on a failed Match, why (and what does it mean) does is have negative :$pos? [17:56] afaik, a cursor is created with :pos being -1? [17:57] and thus it means it didn't find anything? [17:57] would have to spelunk in NQP though [17:58] or maybe -3 ? [17:58] I think we use -1 or some other negative number as a value to mean "failed match" inside the regex engine in multiple places? [17:59] rak '$!pos' src --and=bindattr [18:00] shows -3 in a number of places [18:01] m: grammar G { token TOP { + }; token a { "a" } }; G.^find_method("a").wrap: my method (|) { my \resp = callsame; dd resp; resp }; G.parse: "ab" # I mean like this [18:01] SmokeMachine, rakudo-moar b49217d2d: OUTPUT: «Match.new(:orig("ab"), :from(0), :pos(1))␤Match.new(:orig("ab"), :from(1), :pos(-3))␤» [18:03] weekly: https://merveilles.town/@wim_v12e/116526840959609845 [18:03] lizmat, Noted! (weekly) [18:06] lizmat: in my case I'm seeing -3 too... [18:06] m: grammar G { token TOP { + }; token a { "a" } }; G.^find_method("a").wrap: my method (|) { my \resp = callsame; dd resp; resp }; G.parse: "ab" [18:06] SmokeMachine, rakudo-moar b49217d2d: OUTPUT: «Match.new(:orig("ab"), :from(0), :pos(1))␤Match.new(:orig("ab"), :from(1), :pos(-3))␤» [18:26] . [18:44] i released my first raku module, it's a progress bar for ffmpeg. idk maybe someone else will find it useful. https://raku.land/zef:sasha/FFmpegProgressBar [18:44] i'm working on a sitemap generator next but it still needs some work. [18:47] interesting [18:48] does it default to outputting stderr from the ffmpeg process when it errors? the --stderr option only mentions "on success", so I'm just assuming that in case of failure you'd get the stderr output [18:49] it should i should double check [18:49] also on the force quit [18:49] that's also good [18:53] *** ds7832 joined [19:21] *** ds7832 left [19:26] topnep: that looks very cool … on the topic of sitemap, I recently made one for the Air module https://github.com/librasteve/Air/blob/0d831a098a57081c1326c0f135cb7642411227a0/lib/Air/Base.rakumod#L562 you are welcome to use / copy that if you like [19:32] cool thx [19:45] deep seek generated sparrow task.check for redis configuration file compliance check of 30 points - i am impressed - https://chat.deepseek.com/share/9eakpdlaa6b88e38u3 [19:48] And it seems correct ! [19:48] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48067822 [20:04] *** Sgeo joined [20:05] Qwen take the is also not bad at all - https://chat.qwen.ai/s/t_e3e2f0a6-925c-4093-afc7-948c49d690be [20:05] Looks like the prompt I use know is quite effective [20:11] *** Aedil left [20:18] I would like to opt out of LLM discussions on the main #raku channel [20:20] sure - let's take that to the #other-programming channel (on Discord) [20:21] less for this individual case and more as, like, a general rule I was thinking [20:35] I meant generally - sorry if I wasnt clear [20:44] *** ds7832 joined [21:44] *** abraxxa joined [21:46] *** abraxxa left [22:08] *** ds7832 left [22:57] *** MasterDuke joined [23:18] apogee_ntv: is there a way to change the color of a specific Border's border? [23:24] SmokeMachine: I think $border.set-theme should do it. [23:26] It will set the theme for the entire subtree (all of $border's children) so you may want to pass the main theme to the child object [23:26] If $border.set-theme doesnt work that is a bug, I only say "I think" because I haven't tried it. [23:53] *** MasterDuke left [23:56] thanks