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[04:19] <Geth> ¦ docker: b377a1cf90 | AntonOks++ | 6 files

[04:19] <Geth> ¦ docker: Bump to 2026.05 [skip workflow]

[04:19] <Geth> ¦ docker: review: https://github.com/rakudo/docker/commit/b377a1cf90

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[11:36] <[Coke]> \o/

[11:52] <[Coke]> ls

[11:52] <[Coke]> ww

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[12:41] <disbot4> <librasteve> ~~~~~

[12:42] <disbot4> <librasteve> that was meant to be ~ ~ ~ (waves) forget that my keyboard makes approx =

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[14:33] <El_Che> I wonder if the RAM AI foolinishness will hit dynamic or VM languages like Raku harder than binary compiles languages. It's almost impossible to by servers with the same amount of RAM like a few years ago. What you can buy has less RAM and it takes a long time to be delivered :/

[14:33] <tellable6> 2026-05-23T15:58:59Z #raku-dev <[Coke]> el_che 2026.05 is ready for binary releases.

[14:34] <El_Che> [Coke]: ok will spin it

[14:41] <librasteve_> i found this swap file setup helpful on my small VPS https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/28CtlUS9

[14:41] <El_Che> yeah, I meant more in the datacenter and had java in mind

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[14:47] <disbot4> <librasteve> fair point - probably quite a lot of pressure on production language choice from that angle

[14:48] <disbot4> <librasteve> maybe scripting languages are anyway less prone to speed / size pressure since folks are anyway trading off for a more dynamic coding vibe

[14:49] <El_Che> Our mantra, also in the Perl days, was hardware is cheap, programmer time isn't

[14:50] <El_Che> fucking AI changed the equation where hw is often not available

[14:51] <Voldenet> hardware is expensive, programmer time is cheap, let's go write some hyperoptimized assembly

[14:52] <El_Che> thing is that, nowawys we're in the situation where the new hardware is not there

[14:52] <El_Che> vendors give you a quote valid for a week max, and delivery time is 6 to 8 months very often. With no promisses

[14:52] <El_Che> it's crazy

[14:57] <El_Che> Voldenet: Probably some people are vibe coding assembly already. Who needs to understand and maintain stuff anyways /s

[15:00] <disbot4> <librasteve> my career #1 was for a RAM company - INMOS - the fab business is a square wave, period 3 years - square that when the AI money bubble pops

[15:01] <[Coke]> librasteve_: btw, you misquoted me on the release quote.

[15:02] <[Coke]> assuming you just copied the previos notice and changed numbers

[15:10] <[Coke]> which i'm fine with, just don't say i said it. :)

[15:11] <disbot4> <simon_sibl> probably silly question but I dont seem to find how to get the client address on IO::Socket::INET, the .host and .port are empty for some reason

[15:13] <librasteve_> [Coke]: oh - sorry … yes, I did just copy the text from release #192 (and I probably forgot that you already mentioned this, please forgive me)

[15:16] <timo> that's odd, I don't see code that would set the host and port attributes when you use `accept`

[15:16] <librasteve_> what I was aiming for was a form of words that covers something like “on behalf of the Rakudo development team” but does not imply that I, the editor of the weekly, am a member or official spokesbug, for that team ;-)

[15:16] <timo> can you rewrite your code to use IO::Socket::Async instead?

[15:17] <disbot4> <simon_sibl> IO::Socket::Async does it, but is that expected that IO::Socket::INET doesnt seem to do it ?

[15:18] <timo> I'd call it unexpected

[15:18] <librasteve_> [Coke]: would it work for you to keep that form of words in future, but to get the actual quote correct?

[15:22] <[Coke]> I would say write whatever you want, but if you're going to attribute it to me, use the exact quote

[15:23] <[Coke]> I don't have a preference

[15:23] <timo> https://docs.raku.org/type/IO/Socket/Async in one of the examples says above the code "CATCH phaser" but then seems to show how "QUIT" works and in the text below the code contrasts it with the way CATCH works

[15:23] <[Coke]> or phrase it in some way that mentions my name, but doesn't say I said the thing

[15:26] <[Coke]> or give it 15 minutes and I'll completely forget about this. ;)

[15:28] <disbot4> <librasteve> lol - anyway to you (and anyone) I am always open to feedback and to trying to improve - goes off to write this down

[15:48] <disbot4> <simon_sibl> I mean that should be the general mindset, open minded and humble, we never stop learning !

[15:49] <disbot4> <simon_sibl> too bad I've met too many rude people only when trying to learn

[15:49] <disbot4> <simon_sibl> (never happened with the Raku community tho)

[15:56] <disbot4> <librasteve> I am sure we have had our moments

[15:57] <disbot4> <simon_sibl> from what I read, it seems I joined way after a lot of big drama

[15:57] <disbot4> <simon_sibl> but in the meantime, the community is very nice

[16:05] <timo> sadly, it's often difficult to see when you're not doing so great; people don't exactly owe us a detailed breakdown of their experiences when they decide they don't want to stick around, after all

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[17:11] <El_Che> is redhat 8 still a target for redhat 8 (supported until 2029)? The new moar breaks there, was ok on last release: ./libmoar.so: undefined reference to `gettid'

[17:13] <El_Che> maybe this is for #raku-dev

[17:14] <lizmat> El_Che: am about to bump MoarVM/ NQP to get a fix in for that

[17:14] <El_Che> nice

[17:14] <El_Che> I'll wait for it, best

[17:15] <El_Che> only ubi/redhat8 is impacted by it from my distro/version matrix

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