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Set by agentzh on 17 April 2007.
TimToady thorat: do you have a commit bit? 00:00
thorat nope
TimToady would you like one?
thorat sure, thanks, how does it work?
TimToady you /msg me your email, and I send you one
(or most anyone else here can do it) 00:01
you add yourselve to AUTHORS and that makes you an author.
you want to be "thorat" there? 00:02
thorat TimToady: no, make it Thorvaldur Thorvaldsson, or just Thorvaldur 00:03
TimToady commit bit sent
thorat TimToady: does the darcs checkout usually build? (it didn't when I tried a few weeks back)
thanks 00:04
TimToady dunno, I've only ever used the svn
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thorat ok, I'll try that then 00:04
TimToady a lot of folks around here swear by (and at) svk
veritos and also does the libghc6-pugs-dev package include everything required to compile pugs?
TimToady: and the rest of us write our own :) 00:05
thorat wow, that's a debian package (-pugs-dev). Cool
veritos thorat: so does that have everything needed?
TimToady I don't know if that contains the extras you need
anyone?
thorat I'll figure it out
veritos let's try compiling. it didn't even get thru setup before. 00:06
offby1 I build pugs with just the "ghc" package.
well, maybe some other packages, but if so, the build failures made it pretty clear which ones I needed
offby1 is probably mixing up pugs with parrot
veritos yeah that worked, but you have to install libperl5.8 and libperl-dev manually also 00:08
thorat ok, thanks 00:09
veritos let's get to the real compile for now.
veritos has to install Task::Smoke first tho 00:13
thorat TimToady: hmmm, I used thorat instead of Thorvaldur as nick, it worked, does that complicate anything? 00:14
TimToady: wasn't the user name in the email just a recommendation? 00:15
TimToady nope that's fine
thorat ok ;)
TimToady I guess
I don't know how CommitBit works really
I'm just the Chief Cargo Culter around here...
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veritos wow, i guess having an up to date GHC makes compilation faster. 00:24
thorat veritos: do you know it is ok to do make -j2 00:25
(is there any reason to think otherwise?)
offby1 ghc 6.6 generates _alarmingly_ faster binaries than 6.4 did, too
veritos thorat: i make -j4. 00:29
that's the BSD suuggestion
thorat ok, I'll do that next time
(I have a dual-core machine)
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well, it compiled and linked (AFAICT) but the make run didn't complete gracefully. I think it just has to do with some javascript stuff. Anyway, I used darcs, I'll take a look at svk. And Test::Smoke. 00:42
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svnbot6 r16050 | Darren_Duncan++ | updated READTHEM ; minor updates or cleanup to 5 other files 01:27
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diakopter RFC -188: store.encore-editions.com/danh5art148spart.html 01:50
lambdabot Title: Johann Hartung - King of the Castle Parrot and Pugs
diakopter and of course, store.encore-editions.com/danh5art147spart.html
lambdabot Title: Johann Hartung - King Defending His Territory Parrot and Pugs
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diakopter TimToady: see previous for soto slide fodder 01:54
Tene diakopter: that's awesome 02:11
diakopter Tene: but we cannot neglect this one: i14.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/97/f1/187f_1_b.JPG 02:16
Tene Haha.
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diakopter note that the parrot is restricted in both scenes. 02:29
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fglock finally figured out metaclass x prototype x instance (it works now) 03:18
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agentzh moritz: have you checked in your logger to the pugs tree? :) 06:03
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agentzh how can i send out Pugs commit bit? 06:36
i can't find the url?
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Tene agentzh: commitbit.pugscode.org/ i believe. 06:39
lambdabot Title: Welcome to CommitBit for PugsCode
agentzh Tene: thanks :) 06:46
Tene np
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laye agentzh: :-) 07:00
agentzh hi, laye 07:01
sorry, i was not looking
does the commit bit work?
laye i've not yet tested, wait~ 07:02
agentzh add yourself to AUTHORS :) 07:03
welcome aboard! 07:04
laye Thanx :-)
agentzh believes laye will bring more magic to pugs.
moritz agentzh: no, it lies in faui2k3.org/svn/moritz/ilbot/ 07:06
agentzh moritz: would you mind to make your work open to we pugs kids?
*making
moritz agentzh: but it's a real mess right no, I want to refactor at least part of it
agentzh cool :) 07:07
moritz++
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moritz agentzh: I don't want to run things on my server directly from the pugs repository, because I don't track changes to it carefully enough 07:08
and I'm a bit paranoid ;)
agentzh or we can run it on feather.
so you don't have to. 07:09
if you don't mind
moritz agentzh: my suggestion is that you let me refactor part of it, implement one or two features, and then I'll give you a dump of the databaseI assembled, and you install it on feather 07:12
agentzh: but right now this is a bbad idea because I don't have a feather account, so it's hard for me to track things if they break 07:13
agentzh moritz: *nod* 07:14
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agentzh it's sane. 07:15
and...i'll import those logs on colabti.de to the database as well.
so that we can drop colabti.de fondly 07:16
we need better log search than that of colabti.de
moritz I never searched through the logs ;) 07:19
for that I use my plain textirri logs and grep ;)
agentzh but then you lose the context 07:20
okay, you can specify that in grep
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agentzh hehe 07:20
moritz grep is the answer to most questions, and we can answer the rest with perl ;) 07:21
agentzh true 07:22
svnbot6 r16051 | Darren_Duncan++ | ext/Locale-KeyedText/ : made some updates to user-text strings in en.pm,fr.pm ; general trivial updates towards current coding standards ; sync version nums with Perl 5 version 07:29
pasteling "evalbot_r16050" at 194.145.200.126 pasted "Pugs build failure" (323 lines, 18K) at sial.org/pbot/24369 07:33
agentzh only audreyt can fix that, i'm afraid. 07:37
moritz I'm off for some 12 hours, have fun & 07:49
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devbot6 planet6: Audrey Tang: Weekly Perl 6 mailing list summary for 01-07 April, 2007 <pugs.blogs.com/pugs/2007/04/weekly_...3.html> 08:03
svnbot6 r16052 | laye++ | test commit by laye 08:09
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agentzh laye++ 08:13
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agentzh ?eval 'hello, world'.say 08:23
evalbot_r16052 OUTPUT[hello, worldā¤] Bool::True
laye ?eval 'hello, agent'.say
evalbot_r16052 OUTPUT[hello, agentā¤] Bool::True
laye ^_^ 08:24
agentzh evalbot is our very good friend.
so is lambdabot.
@karma laye
lambdabot laye has a karma of 2
agentzh @karma agentzh
lambdabot You have a karma of 9
laye what is it? something like level?
agentzh laye++ will increment your karma. 08:25
@karma laye
lambdabot laye has a karma of 3
laye (laye++)++
@karma laye
lambdabot You have a karma of 3
laye laye++
perlbot What kind of idiot karmas himself? Your kind of idiot!
agentzh well, you can't rate yourself
laye i c
^_^
agentzh bots++ 08:26
laye perlbot blame on me
agentzh yup
perlbot is a jurk
*jerk
jql karma--
agentzh did mean to flood #perl6 08:27
*didn't
oops
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lambdabot You have a karma of 2
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svnbot6 r16053 | agentz++ | auto-smoke - ulimit -v 1.5 GB now 08:56
agentzh auto-smoke failed to build Pugs these days. 08:59
weird.
i've installed another missing hs lib named network
to feather 09:00
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dduncan How much delay is there usually between perl 6 list summaries going on Audrey's blog page and the mailing lists? I usually read them in the latter place myself. 09:49
agentzh 1 month?
dduncan usually they seem to appear at the same time, or I just see the list copy first, but today I see the blog copy first 09:50
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demq so a duck walks into a drugstore, what does he say? 10:36
ouch 10:37
masak demq: I don't get it :) 10:38
demq :-) 10:40
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svnbot6 r16054 | agentz++ | put YAML::Syck before YAML 12:08
pasteling "evalbot_r16053" at 194.145.200.126 pasted "Pugs build failure" (27 lines, 1.2K) at sial.org/pbot/24373 12:09
"evalbot_r16053" at 194.145.200.126 pasted "Pugs build failure" (119 lines, 5.2K) at sial.org/pbot/24374
"laye" at 218.78.236.251 pasted "Problem when make Pugs on Windows" (12 lines, 410B) at sial.org/pbot/24375 12:12
gaal laye: you need a newer nmake. 12:13
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laye gaal: Thanks :-) 12:15
gaal you're welcome 12:27
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pasteling "laye" at 218.78.236.251 pasted "Something wrong with PERL_LIB" (551 lines, 40.9K) at sial.org/pbot/24376 12:36
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agentzh laye: remove PREFIX from your "perl Makefile.PL"? 12:43
and clear your PERL_LIB environment if it's already set? 12:47
Hmm, or you perl is not fully installed? 12:53
*your
perl58.lib not found
perl5 embedding needs that. 12:56
laye SOLVED, i run the installer.bat for my perl, and it's ok ^_^ 12:59
agentzh: thanks 13:00
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agentzh laye: yay 13:05
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rindolf Hi all. 13:26
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xpika alot of the parrot examples generate errors. Is this to be expected? 13:41
svnbot6 r16055 | andara++ | [runpugs] use local copy of devel version to avoid versions with broken PUGS_SAFEMODE 13:45
agentzh xpika: try #parrot on irc.perl.org 13:46
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laye agentzh: PING 13:59
Limbic_Region laye, no need to yell, 'ping' works just as well 14:02
salutations all
agentzh laye: pong 14:05
agentzh was looking at Axiom.
rindolf Hi Limbic_Region 14:06
Limbic_Region salutations rindolf
rindolf Limbic_Region: what's up?
Limbic_Region: berlios.de is dead.
And so I cannot commit stuff there. 14:07
Limbic_Region didn't know berlios.de was ever alive
agentzh rindolf: really?
agentzh is also a berlios.de user
rindolf agentzh: at least not today.
agentzh rindolf: haven't been looking
rindolf agentzh: OK.
agentzh i was migrating my projects from berlios.de to openfoundry.org 14:08
rindolf agentzh: oh.
agentzh: does openfoundry.org gives you dumps downloads? 14:09
agentzh: does it have Trac or something?
Didn't Pugs migrate *from* openfoundry.org?
agentzh *nod*
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rindolf I also like opensvn.csie.org, but it tends to be slow. 14:09
I think it's in Taiwan.
agentzh openfoundry.org is pretty fast here since it's in .tw. 14:10
rindolf agentzh: ah.
agentzh: where are you from?
agentzh .cn
rindolf agentzh: oh.
agentzh: nice.
agentzh: are you Chinese-born?
agentzh yes
rindolf agentzh: I see.
audreyt and clkao are from Taiwan.
laye agentzh: help~i got some new problems 14:11
agentzh laye: oh?
pasteling "laye" at 218.78.236.251 pasted "Can't locate v6.pm" (29 lines, 1.3K) at sial.org/pbot/24379
rindolf agentzh: a different Chinese fellow had lots of trouble accessing the Wikipedia at times.
agentzh rindolf: same here.
laye: looking
rindolf agentzh: OK.
agentzh: my homepage is www.shlomifish.org/ if you want to learn more about me. 14:12
lambdabot Title: Shlomi Fish' Homepage
agentzh rindolf: i need some proxy to access wikipedia.
rindolf agentzh: ah. :-)
agentzh rindolf: okay
rindolf agentzh: don't they block them?
agentzh: do you have a homepage or something?
agentzh the proxies are random.
rindolf Or a blog?
agentzh: ah.
agentzh rindolf: yes. agentzh.spaces.live.com (Chinese)
rindolf I was told of a browser (or a local proxy) that worked as P2P.
laye agentzh: i use proxify to access Wiki 14:13
rindolf agentzh: live.com...
agentzh laye: my proxies are from your blogs ;)
rindolf: and also a use perl one: use.perl.org/~agent/journal
rindolf There's some stuff in English there.
lambdabot Title: Journal of agent (5836)
agentzh rindolf: yeah
rindolf And I don't seem to have the font.
laye agentzh: ^_^
agentzh rindolf: sigh. 14:14
rindolf agentzh: ah, ISTR "agent".
agentzh ISTR?
rindolf You haven't blogged there in a while.
agentzh: I seem to recall.
agentzh rindolf: hehe
rindolf There was this pro-Internet-censorship law brewing in Israel by some religious factors, but apparently it got shot down pretty quickly. 14:15
Limbic_Region speaking of ineffective blockades 14:16
agentzh laye: the error was produced by "nmake test"?
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laye agentzh: nmake install 14:16
Limbic_Region this project at work is rather large scale and so requires folks to enter how much of their time was spent on what aspect of the project
rindolf Limbic_Region: sounds bad, so far.
Limbic_Region this time tracking capability is done in none other that MS Access
rindolf Limbic_Region: heh. 14:17
laye agentzh: can i just modify @INC to solve it?
Limbic_Region when you launch the DB application, you are prompted for your user name and password
laye agentzh: As i know where v6.pm is
rindolf Limbic_Region: if there's anything worse than MySQL it's MS-Access.
Limbic_Region since I had forgotten to enter my time for 3 weeks, I had forgotten my password
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agentzh laye: not sure. but it's not very important. 14:17
rindolf Limbic_Region: you need a password manager.
agentzh laye: you needn't install v6.pm if you don't use it.
Limbic_Region so, I held down the shift key, bypassed the password entry, found the table where my password was stored - and changed it
rindolf snuffles gringotts
Limbic_Region: heh.
fluffles even. 14:18
Limbic_Region I then emailed the apparent owner and said I had an Access book at my desk if they were interested in learning how to program Access
ok, so I didn't exactly do that - I just said that it was easy to bypass (and how). I wasn't stupid enough to indicate I was competent at Access for fear I might be volunteering 14:19
ingy ouch
agentzh ingy: hi!
are you feeling better now?
ingy hi agentzh
Limbic_Region ingy - I read in a log you had an unfortunate accident reently
ingy - everything ok?
ingy is in the hospital 14:20
Limbic_Region ingy - prognosis?
ingy but local hackrs got me on the net
Limbic_Region heh
agentzh :)
ingy broken ribs
internal bleding
broken wrist 14:21
Limbic_Region is sorry to hear that
agentzh too
rindolf ingy: ouch!
ingy: good medicine!
ingy: are you still in danger? 14:22
ingy don't think so
agentzh hehe
rindolf ingy: I hope so too.
ingy: can you program?
ingy been in the hospital for 5 days
rindolf ingy: :-(
ingy not really
rindolf Hospitals suck.
ingy: well, I hope you get better. 14:23
ingy: if you need someone to do some emergency hacking for you - let me know.
ingy: what happened to the car driver? 14:24
agentzh laye: which version of activeperl are you using? 14:27
laye: jerrylee seems to have problems with activeperl 5.8.8 build 820 + v6.pm
jerrylee agentzh: I already give up 5.8.8 b820 14:28
agentzh jerrylee: okay :)
jerrylee agentzh: after that I can do things correctly ;)
agentzh but there are still some people using that version of perl. :) 14:29
agentzh remembers migrating from activeperl 5.8.7 to 5.8.8 gave me a lot of troubles when he was still in Win32. 14:30
*gave him
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jerrylee agentzh: i think 5.8.8 is not good for running v6 ;) 14:33
agentzh jerrylee: but it used to work according to [particle]
jerrylee agentzh: really? why my machine ...
ingy back 14:34
agentzh no idea...
ingy the car was fine
agentzh lol
ingy ingy took the brunt
agentzh ingy: i hope you will drive slower in the future ;) 14:35
(you were even answering my questions here right before the accident.) 14:36
ingy yeah I was speeding 14:37
agentzh wow
laye agentzh: 5.8.8 b820
ingy likes to go fast
agentzh laye: same as jerrylee!
ingy like RIcky Bobby
laye agentzh: any runable version
agentzh would rather ingy go fast on hacking
jerrylee laye: you finished mission impossible for me
rindolf ingy: I'm not going to be your friend anymore!
agentzh (and internet ;)) 14:38
rindolf ingy: I don't like you anymore!
ingy: so it was your fault?
agentzh lol
ingy I doubt it
rindolf At times like this I'm glad I don't have a driver's licence.
laye jerrylee: i didn't finished it either :-(
rindolf I hate the concept of private cars. 14:39
1000's of men driving each in his own car.
agentzh laye: try out 5.8.7 b813?
ingy the uy was doin a uturn on a major street
jerrylee laye: i see
rindolf ingy: I see.
laye agentzh: okay~
ingy I just remembering hitting the brakes hard 14:40
then nothing
agentzh laye: i recommend you use msi :)
laye agentzh: thanks~
jerrylee laye: i used msi too
it's working now
pugs rocks
agentzh :D
jerrylee perl6 is really amazing
agentzh perl6++ 14:41
jerrylee read and print pugs -v in 3 lines
agentzh (chromatic will tend to correct me maybe)
ingy: please don't hack too much before you fully recover :) 14:42
jerrylee i doubt if any language can do that in less code
agentzh ingy: i really like your cool stuff like Test::Base. so take care of yourself ;)
ingy: i'm looking forward to something even cooler from you ;)
jerrylee: haskell tends to produce less code :) 14:43
jerrylee: it's extremely concise. 14:44
jerrylee agentzh: really? paring data into array?
agentzh but very hard to learn.
jerrylee: i think so :)
jerrylee cool
agentzh i think that's why audreyt chose haskell for pugs. 14:45
jerrylee hard to learn is big issue to me
;)
agentzh jerrylee: mind you, even larry has tried 7 or 8 times to learn it.
jerrylee agentzh: well, then I will follow you guys on perl6/pugs, haskell is left for you guys ;) 14:46
agentzh iirc, audreyt once said, "to master haskell, you have to get your brain rewired."
spinclad ingy: heal well, i send your body my best wishes 14:47
jerrylee agentzh: my brain has too many wires 14:49
agentzh too.
offby1 wel'll remove some for you.
jerrylee :D haha 14:50
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agentzh okay, i've confirmed pugs smoke is working again (with YAML::Syck 0.85). 14:51
both on my machine and feather. 14:52
it's taken so much time...
please ensure you're not using YAML::Syck 0.84 since it has a serious bug. 14:53
masak ingy: glad to hear you're ok 14:58
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svnbot6 r16056 | andara++ | [runpugs] New server back-end nearly ready for release 15:43
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xahlee does anyone know examples of perl using bitmasks as a function's parameter? 16:22
Jedai xahlee: sysopen ? 16:27
xahlee Jedai: reading... 16:28
rindolf xahlee: and various POSIX:: functions and stuff. 16:29
Jedai Yeah, you could argue they're just interface to C functions, I don't remember any pure Perl function which use bitmask right now 16:30
xahlee yay sysopen. Thanks. 16:31
* checking on POSIX:: ....
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jjore select() does. 16:35
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xahlee jjore: thx. Is there another example that doesn't deal with unix things? 16:41
* checking regex functions...
jjore doesn't expect there is. 16:42
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polettix re-runs make smoke 18:32
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veritos grettings to y'all 18:53
rindolf Hi veritos
veritos ?eval exp ( .5 * ln 2) 19:14
evalbot_r16056 Error: No such subroutine: &ln
veritos ?eval exp ( .5 * log 2)
evalbot_r16056 1.414213562373095
DarkWolf84 O_O 19:15
veritos think that'll be faster than the current implementation of &sqrt? 19:16
Limbic_Region ?eval sqrt(3.1415926535897932384626433) 19:24
evalbot_r16056 1.7724538509055159
veritos Limbic_Region: how many digits do you have memorized?
Limbic_Region depends, of pi or e or the golden ratio or plank's constant or what?
veritos Limbic_Region: of pi. 19:25
Limbic_Region 30 > digits < 100 19:26
gaal How I need a drink, alcoholic in nature
Limbic_Region has a 6 pack in the fridge he needs to make disappear before Monday
gaal (..."after the heavy lectures involving quantum mechanics". Pi mnemonic.) 19:27
Limbic_Region ah
what do you use for 0?
veritos try a comma? 19:28
gaal Short mnemonics.
Limbic_Region in any case, I am off to fry my brain on mind numbing television
veritos Limbic_Region: what, IRC not fun enough for you? 19:29
i need to go, got homeowkr :(
rindolf Hi Limbic_Region 19:41
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comet Hello, I've just compiled Pugs from svn, but I appear to have problems. When I attempt to use pugs to run any of the tests it tries to use the perl5 Test module 19:56
rindolf comet: hmmm... 19:58
comet and apparently make install garbled the workings of perl (5), so that for example 'cpan' no longer starts because Perl6 modules got put into @INC
moritz comet: can you nopaste the error message along with the output of pugs -V?
comet sure
moritz did you do a "make install"?
comet yes 19:59
moritz that's generally discouraged, but I don't know if that is mentioned in README or someplace else ;)
but if perl5 doesn't work properly pugs will have problem sas well 20:01
comet ouch. Alright. Well I still would like to make pugs work somehow, currently it does this: rafb.net/p/bF65JA90.html
lambdabot Title: Nopaste - pugs error
comet if not make install, what is the recommended way of using Pugs? 20:02
moritz the first is to run it in-place where it's built
and what I do is I build my own debian packages and install them ;) 20:03
comet: actually I get the same errors when running pugs t/$test, but it works when I run "make smoke" 20:04
comet hm. so I guess I should neglect running tests then :) 20:06
thanks 20:07
gaal it's not that it's discouraged per se, but people here don't often do it because they run out of the build dir. In fact, if anyone experiences breakage with make install that's certainly a bug, and should be fixed. 20:20
as for the error: make sure to run "./pugs" and not "pugs"; and export PERL6LIB=blib6/lib (or the csh equivalent) 20:22
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OwlEye looks around if lichtkind is hiding somewhere 20:25
Patterner I read that as "lich-king"... 20:27
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svnbot6 r16057 | karhu++ | Added base template code for Pyrl - Perl6 in Python 20:29
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rindolf Hi gaal 20:51
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svnbot6 r16058 | karhu++ | Updated the code for Pyrl - Perl 6 in Python. 21:27
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avar kanru: what's that? 21:27
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veritos anyone bother looking at Pyrl yet? i'm starting to work on lexing :( not very fun. 21:31
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