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meppl good night 01:24
wayland76 good night 01:28
(not from me, but to meppl :) )
meppl ;) 01:29
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pugs_svn r22811 | lwall++ | [gimme5] fix inaccurate "from" in <.ws> and friends 01:35
r22811 | lwall++ | [STD] detach pod comments from previous construct, now parsed in eat_terminator
r22812 | lwall++ | [redspans] program to calculate reduction spans for syntax highlighting etc. 01:36
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TimToady moritz_: you will also be interested in redspans, since it presumably replaces DumpMatch.traverse_match entirely 01:53
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TimToady and it spits out the parse context for every byte position of rx.t in 45 seconds on my machine 01:57
it also gives you the extra reduction tags that tell you which alternative was taken 01:59
for instance, the pedigree of byte number 444 of rx.t is: 02:01
444 statementlist statement statement_expr EXPR termish noun term term__S_388identifier args arglist EXPR termish noun circumfix circumfix__S_274Paren_Thesis semilist statement statement_expr EXPR termish noun value quote quote__S_178Single_Single nibbler
@tell azawawi see also redspans, which can replace traverse_match I think, and analyzes rx.t in 45 seconds on my laptop 02:05
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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TimToady @tell azawawi I think I also fixed most of the problems with misplaced whitespace and pod_comments 02:06
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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pugs_svn r22813 | lwall++ | [redspans] add in current character for documentation 04:41
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moritz_ TimToady: thanks, I'll take a look later today 07:04
Ontolog moritz_: ! 07:11
moritz_: I want to get back in the game
moritz_ Ontolog: cool.
Ontolog moritz_: have any more builtins for me?
moritz_ does Str.split handle zero-width matches yet? 07:12
if not, that would be a place to start
Ontolog i thought it did.. i'll check it out 07:13
moritz_ rakudo: rakudo: say "ab34dc5".split(/<before \d>/).perl 07:14
p6eval rakudo 31963: OUTPUT[Statement not terminated properly at line 1, near ": say \"ab3"ā¤ā¤current instr.: 'parrot;PGE;Util;die' pc 129 (runtime/parrot/library/PGE/Util.pir:83)ā¤]
moritz_ rakudo: say "ab34dc5".split(/<before \d>/).perl
p6eval rakudo 31963: OUTPUT[["ab", "", "", "dc", "", ""]ā¤]
moritz_ that's clearly wrong.
it should have been "ab", "3", "4dc", "5" 07:15
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Ontolog before? 07:23
what is this before madness?
rakudo: say "ab34dc5".split(//).perl
p6eval rakudo 31963: OUTPUT[Statement not terminated properly at line 1, near "(//).perl"ā¤ā¤current instr.: 'parrot;PGE;Util;die' pc 129 (runtime/parrot/library/PGE/Util.pir:83)ā¤]
Ontolog rakudo: say "ab34dc5".split(/./).perl 07:24
p6eval rakudo 31963: OUTPUT[["", "", "", "", "", "", "", ""]ā¤]
moritz_ Ontolog: <before \d> matches at the position before a number
Ontolog hm
where is this "before" documented?
never heard of it
moritz_ dunno, perhaps in S05
Ontolog k
what about the regex // 07:25
shouldn't that split the string into each character?
moritz_ but it's the same as perl 5's (?<=\d)
the empty regex is forbidden in Perl 6
Ontolog ok
moritz_ you could write that as /''/ or something
Ontolog rakudo: say "ab34dc5".split(/''/).perl
p6eval rakudo 31963: OUTPUT[["", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", ""]ā¤]
moritz_ See S05/"Nothing is forbidden"
Ontolog i see 07:26
the output for the command i just ran is wrong isn't it
moritz_ yes ;)
Ontolog: there's one skipped test in S29-str/split-simple.t that uses zero-width matches 07:27
(more tests are also welcome, you can get them easily by comparing with Perl 5)
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wayland76 Question: if we want to interface with a C library, do we just hook it to Parrot, and then it all works? 07:58
Or do we need to wrap some Perl6 around that?
moritz_ better ask in #parrot on irc.perl.org 08:15
in general it works from Perl 6, but you might have to wrap some types
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Ontolog moritz_: the only reason I see why zero-width matches would generate bad results for split is that match.'to' and match.'from' are returning incorrect values 09:09
moritz_ Ontolog: just print out the two to verify it 09:12
Ontolog: my guess it that problem is in Str.split, but I don
Ontolog k
moritz_ ... don't have the code here right now
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wayland76 moritz_: Thanks. 09:21
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pmurias wayland76: it's a general problem with wrapping c libraries, that they use types (char*) which don't have one clear mapping to a high-level datatype 09:23
lambdabot pmurias: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
pmurias @messages 09:24
lambdabot mncharity said 14d 15h 21m 2s ago: re mildew as duplication (last night), I was wrong. eg, elf doesn'
ruoso said 17h 43m 42s ago: you can now run code straight from mildew :P you just need to 'use SMOP' :P
pmurias ruoso: use SMOP is cool
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ruoso pmurias, :D 09:32
pmurias i can't still figure out how to fix ./m0ld --exec so i'll have to use it 09:34
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ruoso pmurias, I was thinking we might have a 'use v6-mildew' in some near future ;) 09:48
pmurias ruoso: shouldn't be too hard 09:53
but very tricky to get fully right, like seeing the lexicals of an outer block 09:54
math& 09:55
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wayland76 @tell pmurias Yeah, I'm at least vaguely aware of the problem. I'm wanting to wrap up some C functions into an object, though, which is really why I started asking these questions, but I didn't make myself clear :) 10:00
lambdabot Consider it noted.
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literal is the .perl method something that every class has? 11:11
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wayland76 literal: If I had to guess, I'd say it works on strings; this might also mean anything that can be turned into a string. But this is based more on a feeling than any actual knowledge 11:37
literal hm, I thought the .perl method was Perl 6's Data::Dumper mechanism 11:38
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literal i.e. turn any data structure into an eval-able string 11:38
ruoso literal, in some sense, yes... 11:40
it's the default Perl 6 serialization format...
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ruoso which is likely to be readable by the Perl 6 interpreter itself... 11:41
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ruoso just checked out in #p5p... and it seems that the idea of adding the RI pointer on top of SV* to interoperate p5 and SMOP is viable... 12:07
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pugs_svn r22814 | pmichaud++ | [spec]: Convert rakudo's bignum 'todo' to 'skip'. 14:18
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azawawi good evening 16:52
lambdabot azawawi: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
azawawi @messages
lambdabot TimToady said 18h 51m 33s ago: I believe the "reds" program I just checked in prints out all the reductions you're interested in; sorting by initial/final positions gives you the span of each
reduction, including all the ones that are thrown away in the final tree
TimToady said 14h 47m 30s ago: see also redspans, which can replace traverse_match I think, and analyzes rx.t in 45 seconds on my laptop
TimToady said 14h 46m 5s ago: I think I also fixed most of the problems with misplaced whitespace and pod_comments
azawawi is looking at redspans... nice 17:05
[particle] TimToady++ 17:08
azawawi TimToady++
assign.t (DumpMatch) => 489s | redspans => 48s | TimToady++ 17:11
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pugs_svn r22815 | lwall++ | [Cursor] treat fate cursor as mutable 17:45
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pugs_svn r22816 | azawawi++ | [redspans] Improved output to be more user-friendly, TimToady++ 18:02
azawawi is running redspans over rx.t... 18:10
moritz_ azawawi: are you doing something nasty? feather is *very* unresponsive 18:24
azawawi redspans
moritz_ what's the load on feather?
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azawawi cant login again 18:25
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moritz_ Ctrl+z helps 18:25
azawawi i killed my session
moritz_ 19:25:28 up 28 days, 17:06, 7 users, load average: 58.10, 57.67, 30.73
xinming I can reach feather here
moritz_ now I can again too
xinming yeah, load is pretty terrible
Juerd I've sysrq-forced an OOM kill 18:26
Please, whoever did this, ulimit your processes...
azawawi going down...
~ 58 load avg.. damn
must redspan use nice
Juerd What is redspan?
moritz_ Juerd: a STD.pm frontend 18:27
azawawi redspans to be exact
Juerd Did redspan cause this?
azawawi i ran it on rx.t sorry
Juerd nice doesn't help much, you'll have to ulimit it
It's a memory issue.
PerlJam Juerd++
azawawi Juerd: ok what's a good ulimit limit? 18:28
Juerd azawawi: 128 MB is probably a good start
Increase to 256 if it's not enough. Going higher than 512 is probably not a good idea, but still better than having no limit at all
moritz_ which limit should one set? ulimit -v? 18:29
Juerd Although any program reaching that amount of memory should probably be debugged anyway :)
azawawi sorry for high load, it just spiked... was 4-5 load avg according to logs then 18.0...58.0
PerlJam Juerd: What's the deal with the multiple feathers? Are they virtual? If not, maybe shunt him off to one of the under-used ones/
Juerd u and v 18:30
xinming PerlJam: feater is using xen.
Juerd PerlJam: Yes, they're virtual
PerlJam gotcha
Juerd PerlJam: feather1 is the semi public access one, it's the one you know
PerlJam: feather2 is meant for important services, like svn repo, but nobody has gotten around to migrating stuff to there yet
PerlJam: feather3 is for evalbots 18:31
A feather4 could be created, there's still room.
PerlJam We need featherX for those crazy people parsing/running STD.pm :)
Juerd Well, no
Moving it to another VM doesn't fix the problem
azawawi PerlJam: lol
Juerd It's much easier to ulimit than to admin an entire OS 18:32
xinming PerlJam: Managing multiple vm is a terrible thing. :-)
PerlJam Juerd: right. Any chance you could get another grant? :)
Juerd PerlJam: Probably, but what for? It'll still exhaust all available memory, and then crash.
[particle] grant for what?
PerlJam more RAM
Juerd In this case I was there in time to sysrq the thing into sanity.
PerlJam another machine
etc.
Juerd Otherwise it would have crashed.
moritz_ Juerd: should I put a (fairly generous) limit in /etc/security/limits.conf? say, 1GB per user?
Juerd More RAM is not enough if the process needs infinite MB 18:33
[particle] juerd: is feather in need of any more hardware?
Juerd moritz_: 512 please
moritz_ Juerd: ok, will do
PerlJam Juerd: I know, but the people playing with STD.pm seem to need quite a bit more RAM than normal.
Juerd moritz_: I've wanted users to take care of this but I think you're right and it should just be forced.
moritz_ is also a user ;)
[particle] requests 8 more user accounts ;)
Juerd PerlJam: feather1 typically has 1 GB *unused*: c14.convolution.nl/munin/perl6.nl/f...emory.html 18:34
lambdabot Title: Munin :: perl6.nl :: feather1.perl6.nl :: memory, tinyurl.com/6kwoy5
Juerd PerlJam: If it needs more than 1 GB, darn, then concentrating on making it use less memory would be a wiser investment I think
[particle] seems the cpu is constantly saturated 18:36
oh, no, i'm reading that wrong
stupid colors.
azawawi cpu is always idle... it is the disk/memory that are always being eaten alive ;-) 18:37
Juerd Yep 18:38
As you can see, the investment in more RAM was a good one
[particle] feather3 never has idle cpu
Juerd And there's some room if needed
feather0 has 512 MB available 18:39
[particle] disk i/o is the biggest bottleneck i can see
azawawi actually in the morning in my timezone it is...
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moritz_ what's a sane limit for number of processes per user? 32? 18:39
gbacon 3
Juerd moritz_: 64
moritz_: It's only to avoid fork bombs
Actually, 64 might not be enough for complex multi thread make jobs
[particle] evalbot: fork while fork
Juerd I suggest 128
[particle]: fork while 1 is shorter and just as effective :) 18:40
[particle] :)
moritz_ and for memory limit, I guess 'as' (address space) is the correct option?
Juerd moritz_: I have no idea :)
[particle] i like the poetry and not magic numbers
azawawi Juerd: so what are the best limits in a one-a-liner ;-)
Juerd [particle]: Then say fork until dead
Eh, that forks once :) 18:41
fork while alive
:)
Hm, no, until doesn't execute once before evaluating the condition. I hate until.
Having both do-until and until confuses the heck out of me.
[particle] i never use either
too confusing, for sure 18:42
Juerd Who said IO was a bottleneck by the way?
You'd have a lot more magenta in the CPU chart if it were 18:43
[particle] i did, looking at feather3 cpu graph on i/o wait
moritz_ points to azawawi
azawawi i was talking in general...
Juerd Oh, feather3 18:44
[particle] time to upgrade to raid 5 ssd
Juerd [particle]: Waaaaaay to expensive
[particle] :)
Juerd It's raid1 with 3 disks now
moritz_ points to random people in the channel, crying "it's him, it's him"
azawawi points to redspans ;-) 18:45
moritz_ azawawi: ulimit -v 262144 -u 128 18:46
azawawi moritz_: seems to me that TimToady's laptop is a Cray ;-) 18:48
[particle] iirc it's a T61 with dual-core 2.6GHz 18:50
azawawi moritz_: what happens when you go over the ulimit? 18:53
[particle] u r limited to the ulimit
Juerd azawawi: Processes that are OOM are killed 18:55
azawawi: And fork fails if you already have the max number of processes.
azawawi is running now a ulimited niced redspans on the famous rx.t 18:57
moritz_: oom-ed on 256m ulimit 18:59
moritz_ tries it now 19:00
it needs 255m here ;) 19:01
and 61s
azawawi hmmm
btw, im getting "ulimit: virtual memory: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted"
moritz_ you can exit the shell where you set the ulimit 19:02
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azawawi is running again on feather... 19:03
PerlJam azawawi: is that our first warning? ;) 19:04
azawawi ;-) 19:05
pugs_svn r22817 | moritz++ | [redspans] vim modeline that corresponds to the current indetation levels 19:07
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azawawi moritz_: ? 19:20
moritz_ !
azawawi moritz_: did u run it over rx.t? 19:21
moritz_ azawawi: yes
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moritz_ 20:01 < moritz_> it needs 255m here ;) 19:21
20:01 < moritz_> and 61s
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azawawi moritz_: im getting like 512m and oom.... 19:22
moritz_: and it is in $r->parseFile...
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pugs_svn r22818 | azawawi++ | [redspans] nice 19; 19:31
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azawawi 64 secs on feather... i think the problem has to do with an old STD.pm 19:48
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pugs_svn r22819 | azawawi++ | [redspans] empty buffers are never printed 19:50
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pugs_svn r22820 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] updated comments for old --simple 20:19
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pugs_svn r22821 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] updates to pod docs... --redspans-html=filename option 20:29
r22821 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] redspans-mode is not ready yet ... working on it...
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pugs_svn r22822 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] redspan is implemented but the output is not colored yet 20:51
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moritz_ TimToady: when parsing semilists with whitespaces (like 'f(1, 2)'), redspans says the blank is matched directly by 'statement_expr', not by any ws. Dunno if that's a parse bug, or a just not-yet-done redspans feature. 21:13
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pugs_svn r22823 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] redspans is now working... htmls are cool. 21:48
r22823 | azawawi++ | [STD_syntax_highlight] They're like --simple but way faster...
azawawi done ;-)
for a simple 3-4 lines script it is like 3 secs to p6 syntax highlight 21:49
139 instead of 489 secs in the redspans STD_syntax_highlight mode for assign.t 21:55
@tell TimToady thx. redspans improved the situation a lot. STD_syntax_highlight now has it enabled by default. comments/pod comments coming soonish. 21:57
lambdabot Consider it noted.
azawawi is gonna sleep now... good night &
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Juerd Hi, I'm cutting down on IRC channels for a while 22:51
I'll probably join if something's wrong with feather, though
You know where to find me if you need me
Bye :)
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pugs_svn r22824 | lwall++ | [STD,Cursor,etc] shrink Cursor footprint by removing constant attributes: 23:22
r22824 | lwall++ | the original string is now just $+ORIG
r22824 | lwall++ | the positional memoization array is now @+MEMOS
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