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| zengargoyle | Shanta: 1 cd rakudo-2017.06; 2 PATH=$PWD/share/perl5/site/bin:$PWD/bin:$PATH; 3 perl6 -v; (should be 2017.06-SOMETHING); 4 cd to zef dir; 5 perl6 -Ilib ./bin/zef install .; 6 profit! | 00:14 | |
| but really, make sure you remove the old package you installed. then install as El_Che described. :) | 00:15 | ||
| Shanta | I used apt-get and it says it dose not exist. | 00:16 | |
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| zengargoyle | and thats /shar/perl6/site/ my fingers type perl5 automagically. | 00:16 | |
| apt list rakudo* | 00:17 | ||
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| zengargoyle not sure if Ubuntu uses apt vs apt-get.... | 00:18 | ||
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| Shanta | zengargoyle Finnely got the old perl 6 off the machine. When all else fails use synatic. | 00:26 | |
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| zengargoyle | cool, make sure you have no perl6 and then it's probably best to follow El_Che's link to install up-to-date packages, it will probably work. | 00:29 | |
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| zengargoyle | or you can try my thing with the manual PATH setting. the `make install` really just installs perl6 into the ./install directory from where you ran the make command (it doesn't put it in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin or anything like that) | 00:31 | |
| you want to be able to `perl6 --version` and see 2017.06 ... | 00:32 | ||
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| zengargoyle just now notices it's PATH=$PWD/install/share/perl6/site/bin:$PWD/install/bin:$PATH | 00:49 | ||
| .tell El_Che you might want to add at least the site directory to PATH so that scripts intalled by zef can be found. | 00:52 | ||
| yoleaux | zengargoyle: I'll pass your message to El_Che. | ||
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| zengargoyle | .ask El_Che do you want 2 different install_zef scripts? | 01:20 | |
| yoleaux | zengargoyle: I'll pass your message to El_Che. | ||
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| zengargoyle | does p6 have the p5-like INSTALLSCRIPT thing where you tell the installer to put scripts in a certain location? | 01:26 | |
| zengargoyle assuming things will end up in site/bin vendor/bin ~/.perl6/bin | 01:27 | ||
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| ugexe | well... the bin scripts get installed alongside other non-bin scripts. site/bin vendor/bin etc get *wrappers* | 02:36 | |
| and a single wrapper may point to multiple versions and/or auths | 02:37 | ||
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| rouking | is a copy created when passing an array to a sub? | 02:42 | |
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| ugexe | m: sub foo1(@a) { say @a.WHICH }; sub foo2(@a is copy) { say @a.WHICH }; my @a = 1..3; foo1(@a); foo2(@a); say @a.WHICH | 02:59 | |
| camelia | Array|59257944 Array|59258000 Array|59257944 |
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| ugexe | rouking: ^ | 03:00 | |
| zengargoyle | ugexe: ok, i thought only rakudobrew did the wrapper thing. | 03:01 | |
| ugexe | if you're using rakudobrew you go through 2 wrappers | ||
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| zengargoyle | that's cool, but a bit weird too. :) | 03:03 | |
| i'm sure i have site in my bin for some reason. maybe pre-zef? | 03:04 | ||
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| ugexe | its a tad faster to use zef via `perl6 -MZef::CLI -e '' --help` than `zef --help` | 03:04 | |
| you point at site/bin if you don't use rakudobrew | 03:05 | ||
| zengargoyle | right, which is El_Che's rakudobrew .deb/.rpm/whatever that install to /opt/rakudobrew | 03:06 | |
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| zengargoyle | i assume it's just like a make install --previx=/opt/rakudo, no rakudobrew magic... | 03:07 | |
| rouking | ugexe: thanks -- didn't know about WHICH or I would've tested it myself :P | 03:08 | |
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| ugexe | ok to be more precise: you should not have site/bin in your PATH if you also have a rakudobrew/bin in your PATH | 03:08 | |
| maybe he is using rakudobrew for a single install only, and maps the rest of the PATH stuff to that installation and not the rakudobrew shim directories | 03:09 | ||
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| zengargoyle | ugexe: yeah, it's late and i'm tired. :) El_Che's .deb/.rpm packages are not 'rakudobrew' and probably need site, vendor, ~/.perl6/bin in path or some things will not be found. | 03:10 | |
| assuming zef doesn't auto-wrap and move things to the base perl/bin | 03:11 | ||
| i.e. i'm talking about making perl6 yourself, or using a package, not rakudobrew. | 03:12 | ||
| ugexe | zef doesn't wrap anything. by default it'll install to site/ or ~/.perl6 if thats not available, but they could have configured it to install to, say, vendor/ | 03:13 | |
| zengargoyle | yeah, but El_Che's docs don't include either site or vendor in the "set your path to this" part. | 03:15 | |
| it's a really nice start, but it's my nature to complain. :P | 03:16 | ||
| but it's still in the more for personal use stage where the default is going to be ~/.perl6 | 03:17 | ||
| vs an actual distro package. | |||
| zengargoyle just sets /path/to/rakudo to root:bin and rwxrwsr-x and adds myself to group bin to avoid the hassle and let other users get my stuff. :P | 03:20 | ||
| ~.perl6 is a PITA | 03:21 | ||
| anyways, bedtime. | 03:22 | ||
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| seatek | done-testing : Useless use of subtraction (-) in void context -- I must be punch-drunk, because that just made me laugh far too much | 05:47 | |
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| andrzejku | hey x) | 06:42 | |
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| stmuk_ | msg? | 07:07 | |
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| andrzejku | do you know if someone already started to write perl6 vm in c++? | 07:13 | |
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| bioexpress | Hello! If I have 2 modules which have a subroutine with the same name: does for Perl6 exist the possibility to write some sort of fully qualified subroutine name, like "module::subroutine" in Perl5? | 08:08 | |
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| tadzik | yeah, exactly like you wrote | 08:17 | |
| has to be an "our sub" though | 08:18 | ||
| andrzejku: moarvm is written in C, I guess that's close enough :) | |||
| andrzejku | tadzik okay thats I know | ||
| tadzik priv?:D | 08:19 | ||
| tadzik | go ahead | ||
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| bioexpress | should this work with NativeCall subroutines too? | 08:34 | |
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| tadzik | absolutely | 08:37 | |
| on the Perl level, they're just Perl subroutines | |||
| bioexpress | ok, when I write our sub it works | 08:38 | |
| andrzejku | emm Num $a = 2.1 | 08:39 | |
| bioexpress | How would I solve this problem, if it were not my modules and the subs are not our subs? | 08:40 | |
| andrzejku | the compiler warn me that I try to use Rat type | ||
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| glauschwuffel | Hi there! I'm fairly new to Perl6 and experiencing problems installing an application called "uzu" via zef. Is this the right place to ask questions about the tool chain? | 08:46 | |
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| andrzejku | glauschwuffel module? | 08:47 | |
| you can run zef list find explicit uzu name | |||
| and then zef install <modulename> | |||
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| glauschwuffel | uzu (gitlab.com/samcns/uzu) | 08:48 | |
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| glauschwuffel | I did what the installation docs are saying, and get this error: "Probable version skew in pre-compiled ... (Log::Any::Filter) (cause: no object at index 1044)". Is there any way to tell zef or perl6 not to use the precompiled version? | 08:50 | |
| parv | Numeric is wider than Real & Rat. so why is there a warning re "Sat.1 22:39:50 <andrzejku> emm Num $a = 2.1"? | ||
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| parv | type relation: docs.perl6.org/images/type-graph-Rat.svg | 08:52 | |
| wrong imgae. The Num: docs.perl6.org/images/type-graph-Num.svg | 08:54 | ||
| and i take back my comment about Num being wider than Real (was reading something else) in light of docs.perl6.org/type/Num | 08:56 | ||
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| parv | gah! I meant Numeric not Num, and then comment does not make sense. BAKA! | 09:03 | |
| time to go ... | |||
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| Geth | doc: f8d9acad27 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | 2 files A few additional formatting fixes |
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| leont | I seemed to have solved my zef issue by upgrading, but my rakudo was only from March, wasn't expecting that to be tricky | 09:24 | |
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| Geth | doc: 20fe051092 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/Parameter.pod6 Added additional example to the 'raw' method |
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| leont | I'm getting a «No such symbol 'Basic'» warning (via a Failure) when doing a «require ::($name)», but everything works otherwise. I'm confused. | 09:33 | |
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| Geth | doc: c8ff69fbe5 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/Parameter.pod6 Changed confusing parameter names |
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| leont | Ah, it seems to happen the second time I load a module | 09:56 | |
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| travis-ci | Doc build errored. Jan-Olof Hendig 'A few additional formatting fixes' | 10:07 | |
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| rightfold | Naughty Jan! | 10:47 | |
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| Geth | doc: 53c193e81b | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/unicode_texas.pod6 Move info about `Since` column to where it belongs The data in the table is actually not accurate since some of these symbols aren't part of 6.c language and only will become part of 6.d |
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| Geth | doc: d7ef195600 | (Zoffix Znet)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/unicode_texas.pod6 Add explanation why name "Texas" |
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| moritz | "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Cannot load from mysql.proc. The table is probably corrupted" | 14:30 | |
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| moritz | that's why the IRC logger won't stay up :( | 14:30 | |
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| moritz | sorry for the join spam; should be stable-ish now | 14:35 | |
| FROGGS_ | moritz++ | ||
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| travis-ci | Doc build errored. Zoffix Znet 'Add explanation why name "Texas"' | 14:38 | |
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| araraloren | How using perl6 determine whether a file is block or socket file or not? | 15:15 | |
| moritz | how would you do it in C, or in Perl 5? | 15:16 | |
| araraloren | In C I will use fstat | 15:17 | |
| I don't know in perl5 | |||
| moritz | then it's probably easiest to use NativeCall and fstat | 15:18 | |
| araraloren | I thought IO::Path or IO::Spec::Unix have method for that.. | 15:21 | |
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| araraloren | haha.. | 15:22 | |
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| leont | $filename.IO.f | 15:33 | |
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| leont | Hmmm, seems there is no .b or .S | 15:35 | |
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| timotimo | perl6 shies away from putting posixy things in core | 15:55 | |
| Lambd0x | Hi there. I have a situation which is this: I developed an app in perl6 which runs ok in Linux. However, I'm also testing it to run with Windows, after stalling the last .msi Rakudo Star I needed to solve a dep for my app so I went to use zef and initially wasn't working because it needed git, after getting it one error to install the module used in my app still remained. It looks for a file in C:\Users\your-user\.zef\store\projects.json which doesn't | ||
| exists, but in the same dir there exits a file named packages.json. My question is, how can I get to fix this and install the module I need. | |||
| timotimo | i don't recall other good examples of things not in core, though | ||
| you don't require git to install stuff with zef if you grab things from cpan or by giving it download links for github's zip files | 15:56 | ||
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| Lambd0x | timotimo, I chose to install it. But it ain't the problem :D | 15:57 | |
| araraloren | How you install git for win ? | 15:59 | |
| Lambd0x | with an git installer for windows. It was ok. The problem was really the remainder error. | ||
| When it starts the downloads of the deps for the modules, zef looks for a file in the dir I described above. | 16:00 | ||
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| Lambd0x | Hence it doesn't find it, it quits the download of the module. | 16:01 | |
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| araraloren | You can try run `zef update` first | 16:03 | |
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| Lambd0x | same problem | 16:05 | |
| araraloren | Can you paste report of zef to somewhere ? | 16:06 | |
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| Lambd0x | I'm actually trying. I'll have to write manually the contents of the image since the pastbin client for windows doesn't allows for pastebin images | 16:09 | |
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| araraloren | Quick question: is the right way to do interpolate in regex `/<$var>/` ? | 16:11 | |
| `/<{$var}>/` | 16:12 | ||
| m: my $regex = "abc.*"; say "abcd" ~~ /<{$regex}>/; | |||
| camelia | ｢abcd｣ | ||
| araraloren | m: my $regex = "abc.*"; say "abcd" ~~ /{$regex}/; | ||
| camelia | ｢｣ | ||
| araraloren | m: my $regex = "abc.*"; say "abcd" ~~ /<$regex>/; | ||
| camelia | ｢abcd｣ | ||
| araraloren | m: my $regex = "abc.*"; say "abcd" ~~ /$regex/; | ||
| camelia | Nil | ||
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| Lambd0x | araraloren, pastebin.com/d94wGZ4a | 16:13 | |
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| andrzejku | hi people | 16:14 | |
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| araraloren | Lambd0x, that file exists ? | 16:17 | |
| Yeah , `/<$regex>/` is the right way to do interpolate in regex | 16:19 | ||
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| Lambd0x | araraloren, Nops, what does exists as I stated earlier is the file called packages.json and packages.json.bak | 16:20 | |
| I tried creating the filename, but don't work. I'm running cmd.exe with admin access btw. | 16:21 | ||
| araraloren | I check on my pc, it was exists | ||
| IDK, maybe you can ask zef's author | 16:22 | ||
| Lambd0x | which version of rakudo star you have, my friend? | 16:23 | |
| araraloren | I think packages.json would be exists in sub directory of **store/** | ||
| Lambd0x | I'm using the one of two months ago (latest release) | ||
| araraloren | I manual install from rakudo source | 16:24 | |
| Lambd0x | I see. | ||
| araraloren | Maybe you can reinstall zef by yourself | ||
| only zef | |||
| Lambd0x | I guess. Will get a terminal emulator running for that purpose then. | ||
| Thks. | |||
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| araraloren | my version is old too, it was version 2017.02 | 16:25 | |
| Lambd0x | :) | ||
| araraloren | Lambd0x, I use bash on win10, it was cool, for me | ||
| Lambd0x | Yeah, but I'm still with 8.1 here | 16:26 | |
| will upgrade as soon as possible. | |||
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| pmurias | how should I parse a .pod6 file? | 16:27 | |
| araraloren | Em, good luck, I gotta go to sleep now | ||
| 88 | |||
| Lambd0x | araraloren, thanks a lot. | ||
| good sleep. | |||
| araraloren | perl6 --doc ./*.pod | ||
| thanks | |||
| good night | |||
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| pmurias | I want to get the Pod::* objects not the text form | 16:40 | |
| moritz | pmurias: htmlify.p6 in the perl6/doc repo uses some nasty trick to get the the Pod::* objects | 16:41 | |
| but I don't remember which one; might need to look into its sources | 16:42 | ||
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| pmurias | moritz: thanks, it looks like writing a Pod::To::* module and pluging it into --doc will be enough to extract what I want | 16:45 | |
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| BenGoldberg | So I'm attempting to implement perl class representing a fixed-length C array, by defining a class with a repr of CStruct, and appropriately large; I do nativecast( CArray[...], self ) for efficient access. *however*, I want to cache the result of the cast, and I'm not sure how to do so. | 18:38 | |
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| moritz | how do you cache something? by assigning it to a variable | 19:19 | |
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| BenGoldberg | And how do I make sure that that variable has the same lifetime as a particular object? | 19:27 | |
| timotimo | make it an attribute :) | ||
| BenGoldberg | And how do I make it an attribute, when the class I want to make it an attribute *of*, has repr('CStruct')? | 19:28 | |
| BenGoldberg gives up. I'll just implement PositionalBindFailover, and let the array version get (re)generated on an as-needed basis. Not precisely performant, *shrug* | 19:30 | ||
| timotimo | might have to use composition for that | 19:31 | |
| hmm | |||
| moritz | BenGoldberg: you make a container object that has both the repr('CStruct') as an attribute, and the cached value as another attribute | 19:34 | |
| timotimo | the problem is that you can't just pass that CStruct to native functions/methods | ||
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| dogbert2 | moritz: do you think that I could take relevant parts of the material from design.perl6.org/S26.html#Pod_comments and add to the recently commited doc for Pod::Block::Comment? | 19:49 | |
| BenGoldberg | Mostly I want to use this (with "HAS") within other CStructs... think of sockaddr_un, for example. | 19:50 | |
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| iH2O | this doesn't work, won't accept the rw. is there a solution? for 'myfile'.IO.lines -> $line is rw {} | 19:53 | |
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| mst | iH2O: read the file, modify the lines, write the file back out | 20:05 | |
| iH2O: trying to modify lines-of-a-file on the fly is not generally sane | |||
| iH2O: because it means re-writing the entire remainder of the file every time | 20:06 | ||
| which, ew | |||
| iH2O | I want to modify the lines and write them to a new file | 20:09 | |
| i can declare a new variable since the block like $myline=$line and modify $myline | 20:10 | ||
| thats patching | |||
| mst | is there an 'is copy' maybe? | 20:11 | |
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| iH2O | is copy works. thx | 20:15 | |
| thats good enough | |||
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| ufobat | is this supposed to work or not? gist.github.com/ufobat/8da682892cb...fc8154ce00 | 20:18 | |
| moritz | ufobat: you never initialized $!private | 20:24 | |
| ufobat: so it remains a type object | |||
| ufobat: and you can't access attributes from type objects, so the error looks legit | 20:25 | ||
| m: class A { has $.b = 'secret' }; A.b | 20:26 | ||
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| moritz | same error, golf'ed | ||
| ufobat | hm :/ | 20:32 | |
| right, | 20:33 | ||
| thanks | 20:35 | ||
| moritz | you're welcome | ||
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| ufobat | what about this: gist.github.com/ufobat/92a4eead04b...92c44c0276 | 20:46 | |
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| ufobat | i find the error No such private method '!!private' strange | 20:50 | |
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| timotimo | yeah, it's somehow derping out. can you get a --target=ast or --target=optimize and find the line where it compiles that call? | 21:18 | |
| to see if it really thinks it's supposed to call a method named "!!private" or if the error is just being generated wrong? | |||
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| ufobat | will do :) | 21:33 | |
| if i change method set_private(A $a) { self!private ... } to $!private the error changes to | |||
| P6opaque: no such attribute '$!private' in type B when trying to get a value | |||
| so i guess its not just a wrong error message, isnt it? | 21:34 | ||
| timotimo, gist.github.com/ufobat/92a4eead04b...6#comments <- thats the ast, i dont understand it :/ | 21:36 | ||
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| timotimo | the interesting part seems to be missing? | 22:02 | |
| perhaps it throws an exception for that code immediately | 22:03 | ||
| and tthat's why it doesn't show up? perhaps? | |||
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| ufobat | ahm? | 22:06 | |
| there is not really something else :( | 22:07 | ||
| do you want to see the whole output? | |||
| or? i dont know what to do :/ | |||
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| timotimo | ufobat: i didn't actually see that it was two files, that's why the private method call wasn't in the output | 22:37 | |
| because the output is onyl for the file you call it with, not any dependencies | 22:38 | ||
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| seatek | wow Inline::Perl5 actually works really well! nine++ :) | 22:44 | |
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