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colomon Is it possible to export variables from a .pm file? 00:12
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colomon Ack, where are perl 6 heredocs when I need them? 00:38
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colomon How do you do a multiline quote with interpolation? 00:59
avuserow colomon: double quotes worked for me as of the last Rakudo release 01:01
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colomon Really? Errr... but that would require escaping all the double quotes in the quote, which would be pretty awkward in this case. 01:02
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colomon Oh, qq// is it. 01:05
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colomon but it breaks horribly on my code because of included {}s which are meant to be text rather than code. ARgh. 01:06
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colomon avuserow: thanks! 01:07
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colomon Huh. Does \N do weird things to performance? 02:05
geez, I've forgotten basic perl 5 programming. 02:10
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s1n pmichaud: ping 02:21
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colomon rakudo: my $a = qq[{pi} is pi]; say $a; 02:27
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«3.14159265358979 is pi␤»
colomon Weird. I'm losing the whitespace after the {} in my code at the moment... 02:28
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pugs_svn r28240 | colomon++ | [t/spec] Check in very early draft version of the code to auto-generate a full 02:57
r28240 | suite of trig tests.
colomon Right now that code is at least an order-of-magnitude uglier than I would like it to be. I was hoping the wiser heads out there could take a look and advise. 02:59
I'm also getting a segmentation fault now, no idea why, will worry about it in the morning. 03:00
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pugs_svn r28241 | colomon++ | [t/spec] Fix typo in generate-tests.pl commit. 03:03
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carlin rakudO: class Alpha { has $!beta; method gamma { my $!beta = 'omega'; while $!beta { say 'Delta'; }; }; }; my $a = Alpha.new; $a.gamma; 03:12
rakudo: class Alpha { has $!beta; method gamma { my $!beta = 'omega'; while $!beta { say 'Delta'; }; }; }; my $a = Alpha.new; $a.gamma;
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: ( no output )
carlin rakudo: class Alpha { has $!beta; method gamma { $!beta = 'omega'; while $!beta { say 'Delta'; }; }; }; my $a = Alpha.new; $a.gamma;
p6eval rakudo a9ff30:
..OUTPUT«Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤Delta␤…
carlin Ideally, that first one should have either failed or complained 03:17
s1n phenny: tell pmichaud we need to send out this months' hackathon notice, ideas for locations? saxby's in allen or mckinney is free and usually pretty quiet (my recommendation is saxby's in allen). see www.wififreespot.com/tex.html 03:18
phenny s1n: I'll pass that on when pmichaud is around.
carlin rakudo: class Alpha { has $!beta; method gamma { my $!beta = 'omega'; say $!beta; }; }; my $alpha = Alpha.new(beta => 'delta'); $alpha.gamma; 03:22
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«delta␤»
carlin rakudo: class Alpha { has $!beta; method gamma { $!beta = 'omega'; say $!beta; }; }; my $alpha = Alpha.new(beta => 'delta'); $alpha.gamma; 03:24
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«omega␤»
carlin rakudo: class Foo { method bar { my $!baz = 'lorem'; say $!baz; }; }; Foo.bar; 03:27
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«No such attribute '$!baz'␤in method Foo::bar (/tmp/y3FBPZsapq:2)␤called from Main (/tmp/y3FBPZsapq:2)␤»
carlin thinks trying to declare a $!foo variable with my should fail or warn but isn't sure ... 03:29
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frettled good morning 07:26
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dukeleto frettled: howdy 07:41
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moritz_ good day everybody 08:06
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moritz_ I just updated rakudo.de/ with new charts (number of commits to rakudo per month; number of projects known to proto) 08:08
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Matt-W Good morning 08:12
frettled moritz_++ for the good morning news :) 08:15
moritz_ bows 08:18
bionoid Hi guys. Did those "Solved in Perl 6" slides make it online? 08:19
moritz_ yes
jnthn.net -> slides 08:20
bionoid great, thanks moritz_
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masak oh hai, amigos. 08:31
Matt-W I see jnthn made extensive use of unicode support for those slides :)
moritz_ Matt-W: I think he had a translator :-) 08:32
oh hai masak
masak: see bottom of rakudo.de for new charts :-)
Matt-W I thought jnthn spoke Japanese 08:33
I may have imagined that though
masak oi! jnthn's slides are up? \o/ 08:34
moritz_ he also casually kicks Chuck Norris' in the guts when he seems him :-)
masak: aye, on jnthn.net
masak moritz_++ # modules graph 08:35
Matt-W Those are good slides
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masak curious question: why do the module count start at 20? 08:36
moritz_ because that's where projects.list started
before it had a different name
masak ah, right. 08:37
now I remember.
modules.list or something.
moritz_ and even before that it was inline as a Perl 6 data structure, or something
of course you're welcome to contribute a more accurate history :-) 08:38
masak I might. :) 08:41
moritz_ I think generating the data once and putting it into projects.hist.0 and then simply concatenating that and the new file would be rather easy 08:42
masak nod. 08:43
er. slide 15 of "Solved in Perl 6" is a bit not-recommended... 08:46
or rather, line two of that program is redundant. :)
Matt-W the shuffle a list into random order one? 08:47
masak that one.
Matt-W I know nothing about that bit of the list api 08:48
moritz_ what's wrong with it?
masak >>. doesn't enforce any ordering.
Matt-W Oh yes I thought that
moritz_ aye
Matt-W But I'm not sure it's enough to provide actual randomness
Because chances are if you do it twice it may well come out the same
masak people who assume it does should be punished by the compiler. :)
Matt-W At least in a non-threading implementation 08:49
masak the idea with that construct is to be able to introduce threading.
Matt-W Yes, but at the moment it's linear
So would make a very poor example
moritz_ and even in threading implementations there are chances that on long lists early items are processed before later items
Matt-W 'ordering not enforced' is not the same as 'random'
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masak Matt-W: I think my point is that the program introduces two sources of non-ordering: one intentional, and one discouraged. 08:50
moritz_ aye, it would have beeen better to just .say for @order 08:51
Matt-W yes, in this case you want to print out in order guarenteed
So you should use a for
masak same in slide 26. :) 08:53
Matt-W slide 26, ordering doesn't matter... 08:56
however if that autothreads it could behave strangely
unless there's line-based buffer locking on STDOUT, which is entirely possible
in which case it's okay
I think we're going to find that there are quite a few cases where we might reach for the hyperoperators but where the lack of ordering and potential threading means we have to reach for loops instead 08:57
Almost like we need an ordered linear version...
moritz_ I think that say() and print() should be atomic operations
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Matt-W moritz_: there's a good argument for that, yes 08:58
moritz_ Matt-W: well, the order version is called "for" :-)
Matt-W on a per-filehandle basis
moritz_ *ordered*
Matt-W moritz_: yes but .name.say for @objects doesn't have quite the same ring to it...
still, it might encourage people to write purer things which work better with hypers 08:59
Blixtor Hi, I've a problem running spectests t/spec/S03-operators/arith with current head, is this expected?
moritz_ Blixtor: whta's the problem? A few passing TODO tests are expected
Blixtor perl6 binary consumes more and more memory 09:00
and test does not seem to come to an end during 'make spectest'
masak I'm not sure it'd be a good idea to make print and say atomic. 09:01
I'm not expert, but my feeling is that sometimes you'd actually want different threads to print at the same time.
min you, I see the allure of writing @products.sort(*.get_price)>>.name>>.say and similar things. it's very convenient. 09:02
on the other hand, saying '.say for ...' isn't very hard either. 09:03
ooh! slide 32 is *very* nice. 09:04
(the 'multi win(::T, T)' part)
moritz_ Blixtor: did you update to the latest rakudo?
masak: aye, jnthn++ fixed that a few months ago
Blixtor moritz_: yes, I did 'git pull'; perl Configure.pl --gen_parrot; make; make spectest 09:05
masak moritz_: I know. I just haven't seen that example before.
Blixtor moritz_: or is this the wrong way of doing things?
moritz_ Blixtor: no, that's the right way - I'm trying it here now 09:06
Blixtor moritz_: great, thanks for checking this out!
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moritz_ Blixtor: are you on a 32 or 64 bit platform? 09:07
Blixtor moritz_: 64bit, open solaris 09:08
moritz_ arith.t takes 14 seconds here, and doesn't consume huge amounts of memory...
Blixtor: if you run 'make t/spec/S03-operators/overflow.t', does that pass for you?
Blixtor I killed the test at ~1 gig ...
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moritz_ quite understandable :-) 09:08
Blixtor moritz_: yes, that runs fine 09:09
moritz_ so it's not an issue with big numbers, and I'm at loss here
jnthn masak: The slide that uses >>. to output sorted results is Wrong. 09:10
That's what I get for writing slides while jetlagged...I maybe shoulda corrected it before putting them online, but forgot.
Blixtor @moritz_: anything I can do to help debug this?
lambdabot Unknown command, try @list
jnthn (It came up in the talk.)
masak jnthn: good. :)
jnthn: very nice slides, by the way.
I'm reading 'The Way to Rakudo *' right now.
moritz_ Blixtor: you could try to rm -rf parrot_install/* and then reconfigure again, if there's an old version of parrot interfering somehow 09:11
Blixtor moritz_: I have this problem since an update yesterday ... a couple of weeks earlier the spectest was already running through fine for me
jnthn masak: Thanks.
Blixtor moritz_: I'll try that and let you know then, thanks
jnthn It's *so* tempting to use >>. for that. :-/
I think I may randomize the dispatch somehow. 09:12
mikehh rakudo (a9ff309) builds on parrot r41266 - make test / make spectest (up to 28241) PASS - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64
rakudo - t/spec/S03-operators/arith.rakudo - TODO passed: 120, 131-132
lisppaste3 moritz_ pasted "segfault-at-exit workaround" at paste.lisp.org/display/87086 09:13
masak ooh! a mountain metaphor!
mikehh Note on i386 (r41265) the test only TODO passes 131 and two segfaults after (exit 11) - t/spec/S12-attributes/class.rakudo and t/spec/S14-roles/basic.rakudo
moritz_ mikehh: when you're on i386 again, could you please spectest with the patch in paste.lisp.org/display/87086? (no hurry really) 09:14
those two are know (though they used to have a different exit status, iirc)
mikehh moritz_: I will probably be able to do it after #ps 09:15
moritz_: I have to on this platform for $work at the moment :-{ 09:16
moritz_ mikehh: sure, no hurry
mikehh stay
moritz_ it's enough if I get the results before the Rakudo release on Thursday :-) 09:17
jnthn masak: Was a nice excuse to show more pretty pictures. ;-)
masak (pretty pictures)++ 09:20
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masak nice to see that over the weekend, the less-than-awesome memory errors on Rakudo exit have been solved. someone++ 09:20
moritz_ somehow I think it's NotFound++ or WhiteKnight++ 09:21
Blixtor moritz_: reconfigure did not help me, still the same problem with memory usage growing by around 15-20 MB/5sec 09:29
moritz_ Blixtor: last idea: try with a newer parrot. echo 41266 > build/PARROT_REVISION; perl Configure --gen-parrot && make spectest 09:30
Blixtor: if that still doesn't help, please open a ticket by writing a mail to [email@hidden.address]
Blixtor moritz_: I'll try that 09:33
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colomon Blixtor: that sounds kind of like a Rat bug I fixed a couple of weeks ago. Have you updated your spectests lately? 09:55
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Blixtor colomon: I was (incorrectly?) under the impression that 'make spectest' does the update automatically 10:03
colomon it may?
carlin It does 10:04
colomon svn info t/spec
carlin It runs `cd t/spec && svn up` 10:06
colomon okay, so much for that thought 10:07
have you identified the failing line of arith.t?
Blixtor colomon: no, I've not been digging into this yet, I'm still trying the last suggestion of moritz_ 10:22
colomon: and doing other things on the side ;)
colomon I understand. :) 10:23
Blixtor colomon: ok, the problem is still there, so I'll start digging and see if I can find the problematic testcase 10:30
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lisppaste3 Blixtor pasted "perl6 binary eats up all memory" at paste.lisp.org/display/87090 11:14
Blixtor moritz_: d'oh, I found the problem 11:15
moritz_ Blixtor: do tell
Blixtor moritz_: I had some problems in the past with this spectest, so I played around with the test a bit
make spectest does the svn update 11:16
now there was some conflict while doing the update, which I didn't see
and the make does not complain about it
the conflict markers in turn lead (in this specific case) to the described behaviour of the perl6 binary 11:17
have a look at paste.lisp.org/display/87090
this is a minimal test case that leads for me to the described behavior
colomon wacky! 11:18
Blixtor of course I'd forgotten about playing around with the spectest in the first place ;)
this seems to be some really weird parsing issue, as if you change the 'say' line under the conflict markers slightly (remove the # in the string), it leads correctly to a syntax error 11:19
moritz_ Blixtor: could you please submit that as a bug report? 11:20
Blixtor moritz_, colomon: can you reproduce the behavior with my pasted code?
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colomon give me a moment 11:20
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moritz_ Blixtor: I have to rebuild rakudo first :-) 11:21
colomon (just ran it through std.pm)
Blixtor moritz_: I'll submit the bug report if one of you can confirm - not that there is something else fishy with my checkout here
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Blixtor moritz_: I'm no longer trusting myself ;) 11:22
moritz_ yes, confirmed
colomon watching it in activity monitor now
moritz_ running for 2 minutes now
jauaor good localtime()
Blixtor moritz_: watch out, it's getting big rather quickly!
moritz_ yes, at least 10M per second 11:23
jauaor: OH HAI
colomon yeah, up to one gig vm here...
jauaor moritz_: HAI FOR YOU TOO
:P
Blixtor ok, I'll file the bug report then, thanks for your help guys!
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colomon Blixtor++ 11:24
masak Blixtor++
colomon moritz_: when you have some spare time, can you look at t/spec/S32-trig/generate-tests.pl ? 11:25
moritz_ colomon: I'll probably queue that for tonight 11:26
colomon it's unforgivingly ugly write now, but I don't have any good ideas for making it better.
thanks!
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Blixtor what information about the revision of Rakudo should I include in the bug report? And how do I obtain that? 11:31
colomon git log
Blixtor I'm trying to follow the instructions at www.rakudo.org/developers-guide
colomon if you used git to get it
the top commit string from that 11:32
moritz_ git rev-parse HEAD
Blixtor ok, thanks 11:33
colomon (which is the same as I said, only smarter)
Blixtor jup, I noticed ;) 11:34
bug report is filed!
moritz_ Blixtor++ indeed 11:35
Blixtor maybe this information about how to get the version/revison could be included on the page I referenced ... 11:36
masak Blixtor: feel free to submit a patch. 11:37
moritz_ bah, I can't remember my rakudo.org password or user name
Blixtor masak: is the webpage source somewhere in the repository? 11:38
moritz_ no, it's not
I can fix it as soon as I have recovered my password
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masak Blixtor: oh, sorry, you actually meant "page". I thought you were reading from a file in the Rakudo repository... 11:40
Blixtor masak: no, I meant the page at rakudo.org (that I googled up when looking for information how to submit a bug report)
moritz_: great, thanks!
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moritz_ updated. 11:43
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I'm running the complete (and now unchanged (; ) 'make spectest' now. Is anybody interested in the results? Can I submit these somewhere to help? 11:52
moritz_ just give a short summary here
we don't have a smoke aggregator yet
Blixtor moritz_: ok, will do 11:53
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colomon moritz_: You pasted "work around segfaults at exit" earlier. What was that about? 12:01
moritz_ colomon: about working around segfaults at exit 12:02
last week man rakudo spectests segfaulted (or die with bus error) on the newest parrot
s/man/many/ 12:03
but it seems to be fixed now anyway
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colomon huh. I never saw that, but that generate-tests.pl script I wrote started segfaulting, apparently at the end of the program, around the time I tried to add the hyperbolic trig tests to mix. 12:05
was wondering if there might be a connection, because darned if I can see what I could be doing that would cause it.
moritz_ colomon: please update to today's parrot and see if it still segfaults
colomon Just svn up parrot and rebuild? 12:06
moritz_ svn up parrot, rebuild parrot, reconfigure and recompile rakudo
colomon Wow, that is a LOT of changes in parrot! 12:07
mostly involving .gitignore, on further inspection.
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takadonet morning all 12:15
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masak #moose is a friendly channel, almost up there with #perl6. 12:22
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moritz_ that's good to hear 12:26
masak++ # the April list 12:29
Matt-W waves 12:30
wayland76 also waves, sending a a fine spume of salt spray into the evening breeze 12:31
(actually just going to bed -- night all)
Matt-W night
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masak moritz_: oh, you liked that one - nice. I've been toying with the idea of making another list with features instead of bugs. 12:35
and not so much from RT as from RAKUDO comments in the various projects out there. 12:36
moritz_ I don't know if it's worth the effort, pmichaud and jnthn will have lots and lots to do to just cover the features listed in the ROADMAP :/
masak true. 12:37
and only 198 days left. o_O
moritz_ t/spec/S32-str/flip.rakudo ..................................... Failed 10/13 subtests 12:38
masak hm, maybe I should make an "April countdown" web app using Web,pm... :)
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Matt-W :) 12:40
yes you should
do it now
Have it render the days remaining using SVG.pm
masak yummy -- but slightly non-platform-indep
moritz_ the basics of SVG work in pretty much every browser except in IE and konqueror 12:41
masak hence 'slightly non-platform-indep' :)
Matt-W pfft 12:44
trivialities
:P
do a simple version for the poor souls who have to use IE 12:45
masak I would probably do the simple version regardless.
but throwing something up on feather and redirecting daysleftuntilrakudostar.com to it (or something) would be kinda fun. 12:46
moritz_ or perl6.com :-)
masak and then fixing S32/Temporal, so that one can show the code without being ashamed...
moritz_ oh wait, perl6.info would fit better 12:47
masak I had a thought the other day... maybe separating Time, Date and DateTime is already a proliferation of classes. I saw Ruby use only Time for all of those, and I kinda liked that.
moritz_ anyway, if somebody's looking for a nice Perl 6 task, implementing :by on Ranges would be kinda cool 12:52
it's not parsed yet
but you can construct it with Range.new(:from(1), :to(5), :by(0.5)) 12:53
masak I heard it'd be difficult before PGE changes.
moritz_ yes, but the range logic can be done before
masak oh, definitely.
moritz_ that's something that requires care (:by only works for numeric ranges; reversion of ranges must be thought of etc.), but it's not too hard all in all 12:54
masak there are numerous lurkers in here. maybe one or two of them will rise to the task. :)
moritz_ I'd be happy to guide and answer questions, of course
masak :by only works for numeric ranges? since when?
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moritz_ always 12:55
masak 'a'..'c' :by(.5) used to be allowed.
moritz_ and what did it produce?
colomon ?????
masak I know we've talked about it, at least.
<a a b b c>
moritz_ that's kinda scary
masak yes, but scary good, right? :P
moritz_ anyway, reading S03 would be required to do the job :-) 12:56
(and simplifying it if needed, or only partially implementing it)
colomon moritz_++: New parrot does indeed seem to have cured my seg fault. Yay! 12:57
masak hm... did we ever use any of the ideas from paste.lisp.org/display/83194 ?
moritz_ not my doing at all.
masak moritz_: at least you reported the bug. 12:58
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masak wohoo! spectests pass! 13:03
jnthn Sheesh, 100 days and we drop to single digits...
At this rate I'm going to feel like I'd better like, write some code or something. :) 13:04
moritz_ thinks that one can see jnthn's vacation on the commits-to-rakudo graph :-)
jnthn The commits to blizkost graph on the other hand... ;-)
jnthn did some hacks while at the conference
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Matt-W jnthn++ 13:06
I was thinking
How does one go about doing Parrot-level bindings to an external library?
And making it so you can say use Library; in perl 6 13:07
masak Matt-W: you're very welcome to find out and write up a tutorial. I sure'd like to know as well. 13:08
Matt-W heh 13:09
I walked into that one didn't I :)
jnthn++ might find out though while he works on making Blizkost work with use Module :lang<perl5> or however it works... 13:10
takadonet OMG 15500 test passed!
Matt-W yay!!
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moritz_ ok, parrot 1.6.0 release is tagged
jnthn Matt-W: My current patch that I'm hacking on will make use CGI:lang<perl5> work. 13:15
moritz_ wow. 13:16
jnthn Matt-W: Actually the "install something under CGI in the namespace" bitg already works.
(locally)
Trouble is I've f00ked up calls on packages somehow.
It's like I'm not refcounting something properly, but I don't see where yet.
Matt-W Cool 13:17
I'm really impressed with that
jnthn Once I fix calls on packages, then I've probably done enough "basic" parameter and return value marshalling to make various things usable.
Matt-W I was kind of thinking of looking at something to process GObject Introspection data and turn it into Parrot language bindings
Have to look at Parrot's NCI though 13:18
moritz_ jnthn: can arrays and hashes be passed around yet?
jnthn After that it's importing, which I think I know how to do, followed by being able to round-trip any Perl 6 object (well, actually any Parrot object) into Perl 5 land.
Matt-W That's going to be scary
jnthn the second of which I don't know how to do, and looks hard.
moritz_: Well, not really...
moritz_: References to them perhaps can. 13:19
Matt-W that's object roundtripping isn't it
jnthn moritz_: There's *loads* of bits to fill out.
Matt-W: I can round-trip Perl 5 scalars already, afaict.
Basically, I want to get the "big pieces" working first.
And then it's easy for others to flesh out details, if they wish to.
Anyway, my aim for my trip hacking is that by the end of the month, Blizkost is far enough along that you can use Perl 5 DBI will enough to actually do something useful. 13:20
*well
moritz_ $jnthn.clone for ^10;
Matt-W That would be super cool
Yes we need more jnthns 13:21
We need a quad-core jnthn
jnthn IMO, one of me is quite enough for me to put up with. :-) 13:22
dalek kudo: c22d81b | moritz++ | build/PARROT_REVISION:
bump PARROT_REVISION to the 1.6.0 release
Matt-W jnthn: nonsense, you're no trouble at all 13:23
moritz_ well, at least not to us :-)
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jnthn Yes, I'm well behaved here. :-) 13:25
$admiree probably doesn't need another 9 of me admiring her though. ;-)
Matt-W That's okay 13:26
One of you can admire her full time
The other nine of you can write code
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jnthn \o/ finally...I found a version of PuTTY patched up to handle Korean chars properly... 13:26
plz PuTTY devs incorporate those patches... :-)
Matt-W I think you might have to tell them somewhere they actually look 13:28
moritz_ tries to put some pictures into his next blog posts - and fails half of the time :)
jnthn Matt-W: Aye, probably. :-)
Matt-W: I rather suspect though that they're already aware of them.
Matt-W Probably
I assume the author of the patches has told them
jnthn And either will incorporate them or have sound reasons for not doing so. 13:29
PuTTY is a nice bit of software.
Matt-W it is
jnthn ooh! My patched PuTTY also makes hyperlinks clickable. 13:31
\o/
carlin Could solaris be added to test 4 in S02-magicals so that it doesn't fail (or am I missing the point of the test?)? 13:32
moritz_ carlin: patches welcome
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carlin It's a one word change :) I was just thinking there might be a reason that its not there 13:34
moritz_ carlin: do you have a commit bit for pugs already?
carlin Yip 13:35
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moritz_ no, probably just that nobody thought of it before 13:35
Blixtor carlin: I just noticed as well ;)
my results from 'make spectest': Failed 5/422 test scripts, 98.82% okay. 3/15713 subtests failed, 99.98% okay. 13:36
t/spec/S12-attributes/class.rakudo and t/spec/S14-roles/basic.rakudo lead to Parrot stacktraces 13:37
moritz_ these two are known
(and not easily fixable)
Blixtor the one mentioned by carlin fails for me as well (also 'solaris' missing) 13:38
and I have test 171 of t/spec/S03-operators/arith.t failing as well as test 11 of t/spec/S32-num/power.t 13:39
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Blixtor looking more closely, they both seem to test 1**Inf and lead to NaN on my machine ... 13:41
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Blixtor so overall no big problems to report, good! 13:42
masak shouldn't 1**Inf lead to NaN? 13:44
moritz_ rakudo: say 1**Inf
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p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«1␤» 13:44
moritz_ masak: I think it makes sense to return 1 here 13:47
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masak moritz_: hm, I think you're right. 13:51
rakudo: 0 ** 0
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: ( no output ) 13:52
masak rakudo: say 0 ** 0
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«1␤»
moritz_ rakudo: say 1.001 ** Inf
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Inf␤»
masak 0**0 should yield NaN, though.
moritz_ I long resisted against 0 ** 0 being defined. I had no success.
masak there are several good arguments for it being NaN. 13:53
moritz_ I know.
masak what did people bring as arguments against?
moritz_ that the IETF floating point standards defines 0 ** 0 to be 1, or so 13:54
masak then they are wrong, too. :/ 13:56
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arnsholt This pages argues (from mathematics) in favour of 0 ** 0 == 1: mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.to.0.power.html 13:59
Their arguments aren't too shabby
moritz_ irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2007-02-06#i_-54180 for previous discussion
I wonder why they don't even mention that 0^0 could be 0 14:01
(unless I missed it on fast skimming)
arnsholt They mention it
moritz_ that would make the function 0^x continuous
arnsholt Yep. But it seems they prefer x^0 14:02
__ash__ are there any callbacks you can register right now? 14:03
masak __ash__: what do you mean?
moritz_ on the meta class? don't think so
masak quietfanatic and I were discussing it on Twitter.
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__ash__ like maybe you could register an 'inherited' callback? so when a class inherits from another class it calls that callback, or a trace function? 14:04
masak __ash__: interesting; that was the exact use case quietfanatic had as well. 14:06
__ash__: I checked with the Moose people; they don't have it yet, but it shouldn't be so hard to add, they said. gist.github.com/187247 14:07
__ash__ kk, i'll look at that, Moose, isn't that perl5's object system that sorta mimics perl6's object system? 14:08
moritz_ sorta, yes. There has been a lot of cross-inspiration 14:09
masak I think Rakudo can borrow quite a lot of the MOP infrastructure from Moose.
when tuits allow, I'll have a look at the Moose tests and see which ones can be translated to the Perl 6 spectest suite. 14:10
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__ash__ jnthn was saying he was going to try to implement most of the SMOP OO API on perl foundation 14:15
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jnthn If you want to hook inheritance independent of meta-class, best is to .wrap the trait handler. 14:21
Or at least, that's what comes to mind first. 14:22
masak jnthn: do you have a working code example?
jnthn masak: It's kinda a PITA to do it right now. 14:23
because
Matt-W trait handlers are still a bit washy?
jnthn 1) The nice syntax for selecting a multi-variant isn't implemented.
(meaning getting hold of the multi you wish to wrap is tricky) 14:24
and 2) even though you can do it, you're currently going via a non-spec interface that is likely to change/break in the next month or two.
Matt-W Is there any spec at all on selecting a particular multi variant yet? 14:25
jnthn Or put another way, you can probably do this today if you really want to, but if you're going to then know you're using stuff that is going to move under you.
Matt-W: Yeah, IIRC it's like &foo:(Int, Int) or similar.
std: multi foo { }; &foo:(Int, Int) 14:26
p6eval std 28242: OUTPUT«ok 00:04 58m␤»
jnthn aye, I think that.
nyi though
(though I guess not that hard)
Matt-W Cool
like the syntax
It makes good sense
jnthn The way you can do it now is by introspecting the signature.
But what Rakudo currently provides is a stop-gap. 14:27
Matt-W mmm
ouch
jnthn Signatures are going to get revised drastically in October (provided I survive Asia ;-))
One thing I want to do under my grant (plz comment ;-)) is get the signature introspection API into the synopses. 14:28
masak sincerely hopes jnthn survives Asia
grant URL?
jnthn masak: So far I'm doing a lot better than surviving. ;-)
masak: news.perlfoundation.org/2009/09/hag...akudo.html
Matt-W: I'm not sure off hand how the syntax is parsed. 14:29
Matt-W: I think it's probably straightforward to implement though.
hanekomu jnthn: are you still in Tokyo? 14:31
literal rakudo: sub foo ($a, $b = $a + 1, $c) { say $b }; foo(2); 14:32
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«too few arguments passed (1) - 4 params expected␤in sub foo (/tmp/UxJlGr42W7:1)␤called from Main (/tmp/UxJlGr42W7:2)␤»
literal rakudo: sub foo ($a, $b? = $a + 1, $c?) { say $b }; foo(2);
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«3␤»
jnthn hanekomu: no
hanekomu: I'm in its anagram. ;-) 14:33
hanekomu ah, nice
(wrongly romanized anagram, that is)
jnthn Yes, it is. :-)
Heh.
hanekomu Toukyou != anagram(Kyouto)
jnthn Romanization is an inprecise art. :-)
hanekomu yes
Kyoto station itself is impressive
Matt-W Friend of mine lives in Nagasaki
Are you going there at all? 14:34
hanekomu also, if you have time, visit the Fushimi Inari shrine - thousands of Torii, very nice
jnthn Matt-W: Planning to day-trip Nagasaki from Hakata.
Matt-W Cool
he says it's nice there
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jnthn hanekomu: That's the one on the outskirts of Kyoto with loads of red pillars? 14:34
hanekomu yes
Matt-W he's not a Perl guy though, so won't be trailing you with a parasol and some cool drinks
hanekomu a bit to the south of the station
jnthn hanekomu: Aye, I'd got that on my "really want to see" list. 14:35
Kyoto has an insane amount of stuff to see.
hanekomu yes
Nijo castle is also fantastic. And Nishiki market. And... :) 14:36
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jnthn I'd planned to day-trip to Osaka from here, but...well...I'll probably make it an afternoon/evening trip so I can have more time in Kyoto. :-) 14:36
hanekomu misses it
jnthn hanekomu: You lived here once, or just visited?
hanekomu no, just visited for a week this May (with my mother) 14:37
but I plan to return to Kyoto, and Tokyo and other places in Japan
jnthn Yeah
It's my first time in Japan.
but I'm rather sure it won't be my last. :-)
hanekomu And all the nice matcha-based sweets they have there.
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jnthn Mm. And tempura. :-) 14:39
I don't eat fish and seafood, but there's still a lot of nice food to be had in Japan even so.
the quality is consistently between good and excellent. 14:40
hanekomu yes.
jnthn And actually does often go with price curve.
That is, I've never paid a lot for something that wasn't reallly good. 14:41
hanekomu Hm, Oyakodon
Ah, I remember - there's a restaurant called Katsukura on the 11th floor of Isetan (The Cube, Kyoto station) - lots of meat, and pickles, and other side dishes. 14:42
www.bento.com/kansai/rev/7027.html
jnthn tonkatsu!! :-D 14:43
hanekomu better description, and better pics here: paulstravelpics.blogspot.com/2008/0...views.html - scroll down a bit 14:44
jnthn hanekomu: Ah, this is one of a chain? 14:46
hanekomu you get to grind sesame with a mortar, then mix with tasty sauces.
yes
jnthn hanekomu: Yeah, the Pauleys took me to one of the chain in Tokyo. 14:49
hanekomu ah
jnthn It *is* very, very good.
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pmurias ruoso: hi 15:02
ruoso hi pmurias
phenny ruoso: 11 Sep 18:36Z <TimToady> tell ruoso please read the Guy Steele slides mentioned above and think about hyper iterators in terms of balanced (more or less) list splitting
pmurias ruoso: what should i submit as the gsoc code sample?
ruoso pmurias, I think the multi tests are very much illustrative 15:03
masak ruoso: that's research.sun.com/projects/plrg/Publ...Steele.pdf if you're curious.
ruoso yeah... I was looking at it the other day... 15:04
still trying to parse much of it
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carlin darnit, parrot failed to build on Haiku 15:06
__ash__ jnthn: in src/builtin/guts.pir is that where you would need to pun a role if your doing an explicit role method call? (the $var.Role::method(); issue) 15:07
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Matt-W carlin: awwwww :( 15:08
__ash__ rakudo: role A { method foo { 'a' } }; A.new.A::foo;
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Method '!select' not found for invocant of class ''␤»
carlin Probably because of how out-of-date the gcc is 15:09
carlin tries to upgrade it
ruoso I'm mostly trying to understand what does it mean to have two slurpies in a signature... 15:10
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jnthn __ash__: . new has already punned 15:14
Ah, I see the isue, hmm...
__ash__ rakudo: class A { method foo { 'a' } }; A.new.A::foo; 15:15
jnthn ruoso: I thought you could only have one slurpy array and one slurpy hash (and slurpy scalars are just unpackers in disguise)
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: ( no output )
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jnthn __ash__: It probably needs some fix in the punner. 15:16
IIRC.
__ash__ k, i'll look at that then
jnthn I did know what needed to be done to fix it at one point, but I forgetted it.
__ash__ no worries, if i figure it out i'll let you know 15:17
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pmichaud good morning, #perl6 15:27
phenny pmichaud: 03:18Z <s1n> tell pmichaud we need to send out this months' hackathon notice, ideas for locations? saxby's in allen or mckinney is free and usually pretty quiet (my recommendation is saxby's in allen). see www.wififreespot.com/tex.html
pmichaud phenny: tell s1n saxby's in allen sounds good to me
phenny pmichaud: I'll pass that on when s1n is around.
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jnthn pmichaud!! :-) 15:28
jnthn waves from Kyoto
pmichaud oh, sorry, I was waving in the wrong direction I think :-P 15:29
how's Kyoto/Japan/Far East?
jnthn It's an awesome place. 15:31
Kyoto has far too much to do. :-)
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__ash__ so, jnthn, in the future the right way to add an inheritence hook is to setup a wrap on a trait? 15:35
jnthn __ash__: If you want to do so independent of meta-class, that's probably the place... 15:36
__ash__: Otherwise, wrap add_parent on the metaclass you care about;.
masak oh hai, pmichaud!
__ash__ so there wouldn't be a generic object hook you could setup to do that? no function like object.HOW.inherited() is called when a subclass inherits from something? 15:38
jnthn I don't think there's anything like that in the default meta-model. 15:40
But it'd probably not be a hard module to write.
(Once we have other bits in place, I guess...)
__ash__ I am working on a role based persistence mechanism (that kinda mimi's DataMapper from ruby) and that would be really useful for STI, although for now i am dumping things to a file, since I can't connect to a DB at the moment, but one day, it should be able to do STI 15:43
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__ash__ right now i am still in the planning/what can i do/whats the right way to do it phase 15:44
s/that kinda mimi's/that kinda mimics 15:46
jnthn STD...STI...great, now we covered both acronyms for it... :-)
__ash__ single table inheritance :-P 15:47
jnthn oh, phew
jnthn reminds himself that STD = short for Standard
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masak jnthn: Perl 6 is contagious! 15:49
jnthn: alternatively, "Perl 6: spread the love!"
jnthn masak: all(<eww lol!>) 15:50
masak :) 15:51
jnthn -> sleep 15:59
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ruoso jnthn, irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2009-09-11#i_1492820 16:17
pmurias diakopter: hi
diakopter pmurias: howdy
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pmurias still alive ;) had to wake up at 4 hour at night to retrieve a laptop i lost during a train trip 16:19
diakopter you retrieved it, sounds like?
ruoso probably suffer a bit more parsing that slides because he's not fluent in LISP
pmurias diakopter: yes, fortunatly 16:21
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pmurias diakopter: how did your viv stuff do? 16:22
diakopter pmurias: I got vivjs to work... and the V8 context embedded in perl was able to handle/parse the quasi-JSON edition of STD.pm, but I tried pretty-printing it with json2.js' JSON.stringify() and it exploded into wanting a few more GB of memory than available (b/c of all the duplicated references)... 16:23
ruoso TimToady, I *think* the non-flattening behavior of Perl 6 is already very friendly to parallelism
diakopter but at least V8 was able to parse it and instantiate it
ruoso TimToady, in a way that multi foo(*@a, *@b, *@c) would expect a multidimensional capture where the first dimension has 3 elements 16:24
pmurias diakopter: do you plan to write the compiler in js?
diakopter interpreter, yeah 16:25
pmichaud that would be incredible
diakopter STD.pm in JSON is 11MB :) 16:26
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diakopter thanks to the (anonymous?) person who wrote Acme::JavaScripdt::V8 last year... 16:27
ruoso TimToady, theoretically, finding the elements in the "first dimension" is the way we ask the list to "split itself" in a hyper iterator
colomon rakudo: say 31415926535 / 10000000000; 16:28
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«say requires an argument at line 2, near " \x{2}31415926"␤in Main (src/gen_setting.pm:2565)␤»
colomon rakudo: say 31415926535 / 10000000000;
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«1␤»
colomon That strikes me as wrong....
__ash__ thats not 1.... isn't that PI?
pmurias diakopter: you plan to interpret perl6 with an js interpreter rather than compiling it to js?
__ash__ or part of PI 16:29
colomon __ash__: yes, I'm trying to convert to radians in rational numbers.
pmichaud rakudo: say 31415926535 / 10000000000.0
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«3.1415926535␤»
__ash__ oh, those silly integers (and integer division)
pmichaud rakudo: say 31415926535.PARROT
diakopter pmurias: well, the ast is "compiled" to a JS "expression tree" object...
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Int␤»
pmichaud rakudo: say 31415926535.WHAT
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Int()␤»
colomon Oooh, it's an overflow
pmichaud rakudo: say 314 / 100; 16:30
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«3.14␤»
colomon I counted the wrong number of digits.
rakudo: say 314159265 / 100000000
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«3.14159265␤»
pmichaud still shouldn't give "1", likely.
colomon pmichaud: probably the overflow hoses the GCD calculation routine.
pmichaud rakudo: say 31415926535 / 1000000
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«-2147.483645␤»
diakopter pmurias: but the (stackless/continuation-returning-style) interpreter model I'm using allows the emitter to swap in "compiled" JS too... so it can all start out interpreted, and then as optimization phases are added, more can be "compiled" 16:31
pmichaud I can't figure out why it thinks that 31415926535 is an int.
colomon Are you sure it does?
pmichaud rakudo: say 31415926535.PARROT
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Int␤»
colomon rakudo: say (1415926535 / 1000000).WHAT
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Rat()␤»
colomon whoops 16:32
pmichaud rakudo: say (31415926535+1).PARROT
colomon rakudo: say (31415926535 / 1000000).WHAT
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Num␤»
rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Rat()␤»
pmichaud rakudo: say (31415926535-1).PARROT
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Num␤»
pmichaud looks like Rakudo has trouble with integer constants that fall outside of the range of 32-bit ints
colomon that number is too big for a 32-bit int, right?
pmichaud yes 16:33
in most operations Rakudo auto-promotes it to a float
rakudo: say 31415926535
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«31415926535␤»
pmichaud that's.... weird
diakopter pmurias: since the jseval() function exposed in Perl-land bypasses V8's JS eval() and sends the JS source straight to the v8 engine, jseval() is just as slow(/fast) as any other top-level JS code in V8
ruoso diakopter, one thing you might want to evaluate is how far V8 can implement Perl 6 semantics, and what are you going to do about unsupported semantics... 16:34
__ash__ hmmm, on my computer perl6 say 31415926535 / 10000000000; printed 3.1415926535 16:35
is that because i have mine compiled for 64 bit?
pmichaud __ash__: probably.
diakopter ruoso: :) hey, it's an interpreter! any set of semantics can be emulated! ;) srsly though, what specifically do you have in mind
__ash__ so parrot defaults int's capacity to the size its compiled for? (32 or 64)
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ruoso diakopter, the thing is that in order to emulate Perl 6 semantics, you're probably going to need to implement a runtime library on top of V8, which might prove way slower than you expect (i.e. KindaPerl6) 16:36
diakopter, otoh, you might simply choose to implement a subset of Perl 6
"whatever V8 supports"-Perl 6
pmichaud I've just added masak++'s mmorpg article and KyleHa++'s "how I got started" articles to rakudo.org/how-to-help 16:37
diakopter ruoso: definitely, of course. But that kind of delay won't be noticable anyway compared to the 2-4 seconds STD.pmc takes to startup/parse input :P 16:38
ruoso that considering you need to run STD every time
but if you're able to compile to some sort of bytecode, compile-time might be irrelevant 16:39
pmurias and you can work around the STD startup time by using app-persistent 16:40
ruoso diakopter, note that a Perl 6 subset that can be run in V8 is still way cool
pmurias diakopter: you are targeting V8 only? 16:41
diakopter pmurias: yes, b/c it's linked into perl with xs
pmurias so you don't plan for the code to work in browsers? 16:42
diakopter so STD can call out to it when it hits the end of a BEGIN{} and then resume
well sure, if gimme5 was ported to a gimmejs
pmurias hmm, if we rule out eval why do we need a parser at runtime? 16:43
diakopter b/c it's mutable if STD is still running...
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pmurias once the program parser you could freeze everything and load it from json/js? 16:45
a perl 6 on js that *doesn't* run on browsers doesn't seem very usefull 16:46
there is nothing wrong with developing using a standlone V8 at first if it's possible to browserize" 16:47
it later
diakopter yep; all it would need is a gimmejs... which would eliminate the Perl dependency 16:48
moritz_ once the compiler works it's a gimmejs ;-) 16:49
diakopter likewise with rakudo using STD.pm; all it needs is a gimmenqp or gimmepir or gimme_Perl6_rakudo_r388382whatever
moritz_: yeah :) 16:51
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pmurias or cat if once rakudo matures enough 16:55
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moritz_ we're working on it ;-) 16:56
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pugs_svn r28243 | colomon++ | [t/spec] Update to trig test generator -- still ugly as sin, but now correctly generates a full suite of real number tests on all the forward trig functions. 17:01
colomon It's currently generating 3718 passing tests on my branch of Rakudo. 17:02
Still need to do a ton of work for Complex numbers and all the inverse trig functions. 17:03
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smash_ hello everyone 17:06
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colomon hello 17:07
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pmichaud pmichaud.com/perl6/rakudo-tests-2009-09-15.png # that's a really nice looking graph. colomon++ moritz++ ash++ (let me know if I need to ++ anyone else) 17:23
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moritz_ was barely involved </gandalf> 17:24
dalek kudo: 1c35342 | pmichaud++ | docs/spectest-progress.csv:
spectest-progress.csv update: 436 files, 15500 (71.5% of 21679) pass, 0 fail
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dalek kudo: 42ff49e | pmichaud++ | docs/announce/2009-09:
Initial draft of 2009-09 release announcement.
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kudo: 48b5d4d | pmichaud++ | docs/ChangeLog:
Some ChangeLog updates.
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diakopter std: five(say(3),say(4,sub five{})) 18:08
p6eval std 28243: OUTPUT«ok 00:02 38m␤»
smash_ rakudo: say "1" 18:11
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«1␤»
smash_ rakudo: say (1 if 0).perl 18:12
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«[]␤»
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blaze-x is there a way to debug perl6 grammars? I'd just like to see what is going on, how my teststring is parsed 18:13
moritz_ when it's parsed successfully, you you inspect $/.perl 18:14
or $/.chunks.perl
blaze-x and when it parses unsucessfully? Anything I can inspect then? 18:17
pmichaud I still hope to put a debugging mode into the regex engine
moritz_ blaze-x: Regexes current support PIR code blocks 18:18
in the form {{{{ PIR HERE }}}}
you can put print statements inside those
blaze-x I see, but that might just be a bit too much, I'm just learning perl6, and don't know any PIR. I'll try to build up from a small example. 18:19
Maybe there is a way to put print statements inside grammars for debugging purposes? 18:20
moritz_ rakudo: 'foo' ~~ m/ f {{{{ print "1" }}}} o/
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«1»
moritz_ rakudo: 'foo' ~~ m/ f {{{{ print "1" }}}} oa/
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«1»
moritz_ you see that it gets as least as far as the 'f' 18:21
if you only want to print a constant, PIR is no rocket science
blaze-x I see, interesting... having a try thanks.
smash_ blaze-x: you can use $ ./perl6 --target=parse script.p6 to see the parsing tree 18:22
moritz_ smash_: that's no help for self-written regexes 18:23
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smash_ hmm, i must have misread his question then 18:23
diakopter TimToady: bug in viv --ast : children of the Comma node are not emitted 18:24
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diakopter yep; 13:14 < blaze-x> and when it parses unsucessfully? Anything I can inspect then? 18:31
oops
yep; STD::Comma is not transformed
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smash_ RT#67866 can be resolved 18:46
moritz_ rakudo: say any("foo","bar").WHAT 18:48
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Junction()␤» 18:49
moritz_ when we have tests, yes
colomon rakudo: say asin(sin(2.35619449019234));
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«0.785398163397453␤»
moritz_ I've updated the ticket accordingly, smash_++ 18:50
colomon pugs: say asin(sin(2.35619449019234));
p6eval pugs: OUTPUT«*** No such subroutine: "&asin"␤ at /tmp/gqMC42ejDc line 1, column 5-32␤»
moritz_ rakudo: say 2.35619449019234 - pi
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«-0.785398163397453␤»
colomon oh, I see.
it doesn't have to be a full pi away, it can be pi/2 in the right circumstances 18:51
pmichaud say sin(0.785); say sin(2.356);
rakudo: say sin(0.785); say sin(2.356);
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«0.706825181105366␤0.707244293145898␤»
moritz_ iirc returned angles are normalized to the range from -pi to pi
colomon okay, time to rewrite my first stab at the asin test. :)
moritz_: think it may actually be -pi/2 to pi/2. 18:52
moritz_ that's not enough for every function that returns an angle
colomon it's enough for asin and acos, it's not enough for atan2. 18:54
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smash_ moritz_: what would be the most appropriate file in your opinion to add the tests for RT#67866 ? 19:01
moritz_ smash_: t/spec/S03-junctions/misc.t 19:03
something like any(1, 2).WHAT === Junction or so 19:04
smash_ nods.
moritz_ (btw when I take a ticket with the comment that it needs tests, others are very welcome to provide those; I just act as a placeholder) 19:05
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diakopter std: say(:3,8,9) 19:16
p6eval std 28243: ( no output )
diakopter (crash, I think)
[particle] or rebuild 19:17
moritz_ timeout on the server, maybe
[particle]: rebuild shouldn't affect the running copy, except for slowness
diakopter what's the timeout limit 19:18
moritz_ 8s
sh: line 1: 2657 CPU time limit exceeded /usr/bin/perl tryfile /tmp/4tiOdoFiXk >> /tmp/L4Ki81iK0U 2>&1 19:19
diakopter hrm. well, it infinitely loops locally
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moritz_ and infinity > 8s ;-) 19:19
pmichaud for sufficiently large values of infinity :-) 19:20
diakopter TimToady: bug in STD.pm/gimme5: std: say(:3,8,9) # loops whilever
moritz_ so far I found infinity always large enough ;-)
[particle]: I read in the #ps logs that you want to release Rakudo next week - was that just a thinko/typo? 19:21
diakopter memory usage doesn't increase and recursion warning doesn't appear
[particle] moritz_: thinko
i'm releasing this week 19:22
moritz_ great
[particle] i'll do a practice run tonight
moritz_ great
[particle] ~8h
pmichaud [particle]: are you still expecting to do a "live release"?
er, "live release demo"?
[particle] looks like my perl meeting is cancelled :(
pmichaud :(
awww, howcome?
[particle] ENOGROUPLEADERSHIP 19:23
pmichaud eh, just do it as a video podcast or something, then!
diakopter std: say(7,8,9) 19:27
p6eval std 28243: OUTPUT«ok 00:02 38m␤»
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diakopter moritz_: have you tried putting STD.pm in mod_perl 19:27
STD.pmc I mean 19:28
moritz_ diakopter: no
diakopter I wonder if its response time via p6eval would improve
a web service of sorts.
moritz_ IMHO not really worth the trouble 19:29
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moritz_ pmichaud, [particle]: the current release announcement draft lists old deprecation notices... 19:31
what's your preference? write them as "have been removed", or delete them altogether?
diakopter TimToady: also, bug in STD.pm/gimme5/viv - std: say(7,8,9) # term missing args member 19:32
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diakopter TimToady: scratch that last 19:40
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pugs_svn r28244 | fglock++ | [mp6] Javascript emitter, runtime tweaks 19:55
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smash_ moritz_: just attached a simple patch in RT#67866 that adds tests, if those aren't enough just reply to the message 20:03
moritz_ smash_: you can commit them right away... have you got a commit bit for pugs yet? (that's where the tests live) 20:04
smash_ moritz_: i know, but i do not have a commit bit for pugs repo
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moritz_ I can change that if you tell (or /msg) me your email address 20:05
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pugs_svn r28245 | smash++ | * add tests for RT#67866 20:13
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smash_ moritz_: ok, added tests to pugs repo 20:15
moritz_ smash_: great 20:16
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moritz_ smash_: I've closed the ticket now, thank you 20:19
smash_ moritz_: great.. one down, many to go
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mikehh rakudo (48b5d5d) builds on parrot r41279 - make test / make spectest (up to 28245) PASS - Ubuntu 9.04 amd64 20:38
rakudo - t/spec/S03-operators/arith.rakudo - TODO passed: 120, 131-132
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pmichaud I think I want to mark those arith.t tests as SKIP instead of TODO 20:47
they're false passes
moritz_ I think we should move them to overflow.t
pmichaud +2
afk, grocery shopping
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moritz_ I have a local patch that removes the int() function. When I'm done spectesting and I'm still sufficiently awake I'm happy to do that 20:48
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moritz_ rakudo: say log(4063328477) / log(2) 20:49
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«31.9200148498582␤»
mberends :-) proto's installed-modules branch is starting to use ~/.perl6lib
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moritz_ mberends++ 20:49
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mberends moritz_: it's not ready for general use yet. One lesson is that manual testing is soooo tedious. There is no test suite for proto. (I wonder if that's easy to create). 20:59
moritz_ mberends: I've learned that lesson for SVG::Plot 21:00
and it's really not easy to write meaningful tests for that, too
mberends I read your remarks earlier 21:01
moritz_ (and yes, testing stuff that works on the file system is always ugly) 21:02
mberends indeed, and because proto does bootstrapping, it's ugly inside too 21:03
moritz_ wonder how many people are still using the int() function, despite early deprecation notice 21:04
pmurias moritz_: whats the replacement?
mberends was, in Temporal module and tests :/
moritz_ pmurias: .Int 21:05
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pmurias rakudo: say 1.79.In 21:05
rakudo: say 1.79.Int
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Method 'In' not found for invocant of class 'Num'␤»
rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«1␤»
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mberends rakudo: say 3.6.floor 21:05
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«3␤»
Util rakudo: eval q[ class B0rk { say $.a; }; ]; eval q[ class Chef { say $.b; }; ]; say "Done"; 21:17
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Done␤»
Util eval q[ class B0rk { say $.a; }; ]; eval q[ class Chef { say $.b; }; ]; say $!; 21:18
pmurias moritz_: a sub int {die 'We are terribly sorry but you should use the .Int method instead of the int function'} would cure that swiftly
Util rakudo: eval q[ class B0rk { say $.a; }; ]; eval q[ class Chef { say $.b; }; ]; say $!;
p6eval rakudo a9ff30: OUTPUT«Lexical 'self' not found␤»
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mikehh BTW if I run t/spec/S03-operators/arith.t on amd64 it fails (not ok) 6 tests - 130, 133, 191, 192, 193 and 197 21:21
Util When I am logged in as "util", RT displays links to allow me to change existing tickets. 21:22
I need to open a new ticket, but I see no link to allow that.
Is some other privledge needed for my RT ID, or am I just missing something obvious?
moritz_ Util: it's only possible by mail (rakudobug@perl.org) 21:23
Util moritz_, OK, thanks
mikehh t/spec/S03-operators/arith.t passes SKIP tests 121, 123, 198 21:31
moritz_ I'm moving some of those tests to overflow.t (which is not run by default) 21:35
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pugs_svn r28246 | moritz++ | Kill off prefix:<int> (as per r25890) 21:52
r28246 |
r28246 | Also remove a huge chunk of commented-out Perl 5 code form pack.t.
r28246 | It confused me greatly twice already - if anybody wants it back,
r28246 | it can be found in the perl 5 git repo.
dalek kudo: 27dcc8d | moritz++ | docs/announce/2009-09:
mention context vars in release announcement
 21:54
kudo: c3d93dc | moritz++ | docs/announce/2009-09:
mark deprecation notices as being a thing of the past
kudo: 9a61441 | moritz++ | src/builtins/any-num.pir:
sub int() is gone (as announced in the 2009-08 release), give a helpful error message instead
pugs_svn r28247 | moritz++ | [t/spec] move arithmetic tests with large numbers to overflow.t
moritz_ -> bed
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