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Set by apple-gunkies on 11 November 2005.
svnbot6 r8164 | autrijus++ | * PIL.Native: stub evaluator, roundtrip prettyprinter, 00:00
r8164 | autrijus++ | readline-enabled shell, etc etc.
audreyt PJF: sure! probe into %SYSTEMDRIVE%/ghc/ghc-* and choose the lexographically largest one? 00:04
PJF That's the plan.
Thanks Audrey!
audreyt (that's going to bite us in ghc 6.10.0 -- so if you want to be even more meticulous, go ahead :-))
pjf++ 00:05
Alias_ I thought we did that yesterday 00:12
audreyt we _talked_ about doing that :)
Alias_ ah
audreyt pjf just jfdi'ed
PJF You can fix my code after it's committed, Alias. Just look for the bits marked 'XXX' and follow the instructions. 00:13
Actually, I'm hoping you can test it on your Windows-flavoured system to make sure it works.
svnbot6 r8165 | autrijus++ | * Unbreak Pugs.Parser from gaal++'s s/extract/extractPlaceholderVars/g change. 00:14
r8165 | autrijus++ | * `foo.bar` is now always parsed as `::foo.bar` instead of
r8165 | autrijus++ | `foo(.bar)`, unless there is a unary foo() function in scope.
r8165 | autrijus++ | * Nullary methods in class scope no longer participate into parsing as unary
r8165 | autrijus++ | functions. This fixes the infinite-BUILD problem:
r8165 | autrijus++ | class foo {}
r8165 | autrijus++ | class bar { has $.foo is rw; submethod BUILD () { $.foo = foo.new } }
r8165 | autrijus++ | say bar.new;
r8165 | autrijus++ | Thanks to r0nny and xinming for their persistence in bringing this issue up. 00:15
audreyt feels productive :)
Alias_ We can put a stop to that 00:16
audreyt takes a short break to implement provides: support in Module::Install
right, like, lunch
new M::I released -- going back to pugs 00:36
svnbot6 r8166 | juerd++ | Putting feather's website (still one page) in pugs' repository. 00:42
r8166 | juerd++ | This overcomes the need for a wiki, still enabling everyone to contribute.
r8166 | juerd++ | Please *do* contribute!!
Juerd_ audreyt: I'd like to ask you to move your svk guide there 00:45
audreyt: A link on the home page will also do. In that case, just ask me to do it :)
audreyt Juerd_: can you do it for me? I'm going to airport soonish
yup :)
Juerd_ audreyt: Which one?
clkao where?
Juerd_ audreyt: Move or link? 00:46
Alias_ This is a normal message 00:47
Please ignore me, making a Wink demonstration
bye!
Juerd_ I'll move it, then everyone can help edit it 00:49
audreyt Juerd_: move is better 00:50
PJF M::I gurus: I'm hoping to save the path to 'ghc' in order to facilitate detection of 'ghc-pkg'. Can I stuff that into $self->{ghc} in Module::Install::Pugs, or is there a better place? 00:53
Better yet, can I cache the result to assert_ghc_pkg? Otherwise has_ghc_package goes through all the work of refinding ghc-pkg every time it's called. 00:54
svnbot6 r8167 | juerd++ | svk.html
r8168 | juerd++ | Add note that the site is synced every 5 minutes.
audreyt PJF: sure, just memoize it 00:55
using a per-object cache
each M::I plugin is responsible for managing their own stash, so that's safe
PJF Using a per-object cache is actually a little easier at the moment, since it allows me to pass a hint to assert_ghc_pkg when we first call it from assert_ghc, but not pass it anything thereafter. 00:56
Oh! Do you mean memoize it on a per-object basis? Sorry, mis-parsed. Can I use $self->{ghc} instead, or will that break M::I expectations of derived classes not adding new attributes? 00:57
audreyt there is no such expectation :) 00:58
attrs are completely plugin managed
M::I only interacts via methods.
PJF Huzzah! My code is now just ugly, rather than shockingly ugly.
audreyt huzzah
Juerd_ PJF: If you could do the same to feather.perl6.nl/, that'd be great :P
PJF You want me to make feather.perl6.nl shockingly ugly as well? 00:59
Juerd_ No, ugly rather than shockingly ugly :)
PJF I think it looks just fine. ;)
Although you could probably apply a wee stylesheet if you wanted to pretty it up. 01:00
Juerd_ Do you have committer access?
PJF Jured: To feather.perl6? Not that I'm aware of. 01:01
Juerd_ No, pugs
This is in pugs/docs/feather
PJF Oh yes, to pugs I certainly do.
Juerd_ Then be my guest, if you have any idea for the stylesheet
PJF I'll see what I can do about making it look a little nicer then. ;)
Juerd_ Thanks
PJF I take it you won't object too much if I enforce my strongly held XHTML beliefs onto it? 01:02
s/enforce/impose/
Juerd_ I don't :)
I'm going to bed 01:07
Good night!
PJF Night Juerd. 01:09
audreyt lunch... bbiab 01:12
svnbot6 r8169 | pjf++ | XHTML strict 01:21
PJF Audrey: Is www.pugscode.org/css/perl.css stealable for use in feather.perl6.nl/ ? 01:26
Juerd_ It's the perl.org stylesheet 01:28
But I'm sleeping :) 01:29
PJF I thought it looked very familiar. It doesn't come with any attribution.
Cute. I broke ghc: ghc.exe: internal error: update_fwd: unknown/strange object 0
audreyt PJF: sure, it's stealable :) 01:31
PJF: during a partial rebuild?
or during execution? 01:32
PJF audreyt: During a standard 'make'. Re-running it made it all happy.
Could have something to do with me changing the windows priority half-way through, and sprinkling ghc with signals. 01:33
audreyt yup. it's a known issue on the GHC RTS on windows
(RTS = runtime system)
PJF It's running 'make test' happily now, though. Time for me to review my detection code and submit.
audreyt cool!
any code you submit will be subject to multiple reviews afterwards anyway, so a good rule-of-thumb is "when in doubt, commit" -- i.e. sanity checking if you have time, but don't worry if you don't :) 01:34
PJF I have time, and like to summarise everything into the commit message. I've changed a few things. 01:35
There's a few bits of code that use $ENV{GHC} || 'ghc', which is no longer desirable.
audreyt nodnod
excellent
PJF++ # bringing sanity to the part that most needs it (build system)
ingy++ # coming up with a build system that even works 01:36
PJF Is GHC correctly written 'GHC' or 'ghc' in documentation? 01:38
audreyt it's an acronym (_unlike_ Pugs or Perl) 01:39
so GHC is correct; use "ghc" if you only want to talk about the executable 01:40
PJF Thanks!
audreyt np :)
azuroth eval my $a = 1..10; my $b = pop $a; say $b; say $a; 01:46
?eval my $a = 1..10; my $b = pop $a; say $b; say $a; 01:47
01:47 evalbot_8156 is now known as evalbot_8169
evalbot_8169 OUTPUT[10 123456789 ] bool::true 01:47
svnbot6 r8170 | pjf++ | General improvement of Win32/Cygwin GHC detection code. 01:58
r8170 | pjf++ | * Makefile.PL::has_ghc_package() now requires a third argument, being
r8170 | pjf++ | the 'ghc' command (with path if applicable).
r8170 | pjf++ | In inc::Module::Install::Pugs:
r8170 | pjf++ | * assert_ghc now goes looking for GHC on Win32/Cygwin systems.
r8170 | pjf++ | This performs lexical sorting of version names, and will bite
r8170 | pjf++ | us if part of a GHC version string contains a two-digits.
r8170 | pjf++ | * assert_ghc_pkg now caches its findings, rather than re-searching
r8170 | pjf++ | every time.
r8170 | pjf++ | * assert_ghc_pkg doesn't trust can_run() on cygwin if we're clearly
r8170 | pjf++ | trying to work with a Windows-land program. See
r8170 | pjf++ | rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=16375 for details.
PJF apologies for svnbot's spam. 01:59
audreyt PJF: no need to apologize -- there's a reason why we added the trailing ++ 02:15
audreyt grokked the PPI document object model 02:16
Alias++ # powerful mind-control laser based education 02:17
azuroth finalizate? heh 02:33
audreyt Alias_: I committed install_share() support into M::I. (r49) 02:49
Alias_ audreyt++ # M:I 02:50
audreyt++ # Having to start karma all over again 02:51
audreyt lol
azuroth audreyt: did you get a stalker or something..? 02:52
audreyt azuroth: nah :) 02:53
svnbot6 r8171 | autrijus++ | * Fix PJF++'s GHC probing logic by normalizing the version 02:59
r8171 | autrijus++ | numbers in directories, so we are fine even when GHC 6.10.999
r8171 | autrijus++ | is released.
r8172 | azuroth++ | Just a lot of typos, bad spelling and other wrongness. 03:29
azuroth psst. what's the magic incantation to redirect stderr to stdout? 2>&1 ? 03:30
dduncan ping mugwump 03:36
seen mugwump
stevan_ audreyt: ping 03:47
exit 03:51
bah
dduncan I still have to figure out why, but my last smoke, r8159, took about 6 hours to complete, where normally its about 45 mins ... this is the first time I uploaded a smoke since 2 weeks ago, as there were recently avoided infinite tests during the interim 03:57
will resync and try another ...
PJF dduncan: I found a few tests in the smoke would go into infinite loops. I've tweaked them into flunks. Previously the infinite loops would run until pugs got tired (a very, very long time) before failing. 04:05
svnbot6 r8173 | autrijus++ | * Transcribe native methods from Perl6::ObjectSpace::Core::*
r8173 | autrijus++ | into PIL.Native.Prim.
audreyt stevan: yo
stevan: PIL.Native.Prim should make you happy :)
stevan: next step is to build Instance from the minilang
I'm already late for catching my plane to sydney -- expect me to check back about 3hrs later from Mad Golfer's place 04:06
dduncan hello 04:07
audreyt dduncan: yo
dduncan: indefinite loops is surely the reason
dduncan: but if it's even slower than that, that may be because of gaal's Ann work
PJF audreyt: Thanks for the updates to the install process. I can sleep well at night knowing that ghc 6.77777777.8 won't break things.
dduncan I noted that the commit log over the last few days showed an infinite loop resolution, so I tried smoking again today
audreyt dduncan: do you know where it stuck for a long time in particular or it's just generally slower? 04:08
dduncan even before that happened, I did notice a longstanding odd behaviour
audreyt I can build an older pugs and benchmark
dduncan where occasionally a smoke took double the time as usual ... I think that normally happened after a Makefile.PL update or equivalent
audreyt hmmm 04:09
dduncan as for right now, I would say it was generally slower and couldn't isolate further
audreyt or maybe the smoke time counter counted the make? iirc it doesn't
okay, noted, will do a profile run before release
thanks for the reminder
dduncan I also know from human observation that I started that reported smoke around 2pm this afternoon and it finished around 8pm
and it was using the typical 100%ish CPU 04:10
audreyt nodnod. I think it might be the pragma tweak
dduncan anyway, I'm trying another now in case that was a fluke
Alias_ Oh for a distribution harness that records wallclock and CPU times...
;)
audreyt ok. if it's still slower, we can deal
dduncan I found that typically the wallclock time was close to the reported time
audreyt Alias_: well, yeah, ours do... it's just not very portable to other distributions :)
Alias_ heh 04:11
audreyt see smoke.pugscode.org/
ok, time to run
bbl from sydney & 04:12
dduncan yes, you can see 345 mins there for darwin
that's the one
the slowdown seemed general, as I manually checked its progress a dozen times, and the increment was fairly consistent 04:13
now starting smoke of r8173... 04:32
meppl gute nacht 04:47
dduncan status: smoke is now at ext/Tree 05:33
so this portion has taken a whole hour by itself 05:34
(portion from start of /ext)
gaal eep, sorry for the b0rkag 05:36
and good morning
obra who maintains the html formats on smoke.pugscode.org? 05:37
gaal Test::TAP::HTMLMatrix. want a committer bit? 05:39
obra heh. I was just going to suggest column headings ;)
I'm insufficiently motivated to hack, though
gaal you mean in the matrix, or in the summary page? 05:40
obra the summary page
gaal the summary is in util/smokeserv
obra the color-coded results are the bit that are hardest to parse
gaal util/smokeserv/ that is. 05:41
obra (Also, one of my developers is colorblind. he's made it clear to me how much red/green and no other indication sucks ;)
gaal that's a good point, regarding the matrix though I've no ideas on how to make it better. 05:43
does CSS offer bevelled boxes? maybe we can round off passing tests of something. 05:44
obra www.dzinelabs.com/Pages/template_bevel.php 05:46
gaal I meant rounded corners 05:48
was using the wrong word though. 05:49
dduncan smoke now at t/builtins at 1h18m mark
obra Ah. ok. um. rounded corners. google openrico 05:51
also www.456bereastreet.com/ 05:53
gaal I take it the answer about CSS having a roundy box property is "no" :-)
the html for the matrix is already huge, so I really want to avoid doing Stuff for each cell. 05:54
obra yeah. this is done with .js
so it doesn't mess with your pretty semantic html
gaal we've avoided js so far... I don't know, have to think about it 05:55
obra sure. 05:56
It does degrade nicefully
nicely
Though I totally understand the reluctance
gaal If ("pigs could fly", "we had parrot in the browser").pick the smokes would stay YAML all the way to the browser, who'd do the rendering itself. 06:00
obra well, you could do that today with JS 06:01
gaal it'd take forever.
obra in JSON?
gaal it's already slow to change tests.yml to smoke.html
obra what's it parsing with? 06:02
gaal YAML.pm - which is slow :( 06:03
perl -MYAML -le '$x = time; $y=YAML::LoadFile("tests.yml");$x-=time; print 0-$x'
# 14 seconds
for a > 2.5 mb yaml
excuse my dirty benchmark :) 06:04
obra heh 06:05
gaal hmm, anyone here know enough ruby to run an equivalent oneliner there? 06:06
i bet syck is much faster.
hahaha, I was looking for a cheat sheet and of course I got cartools cause this is ruby: 06:08
# yaml4r.sourceforge.net/
(docs in pdf)-- 06:10
answer: waaaay faster. 06:12
time ruby -e 'require "yaml"; x = YAML::parse(File.open("tests.yml"))' 06:13
# 2.460u 2.920s 0:05.38 100.0% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
note that these 5 seconds included loading ruby and the oneliner too.
obra isn't there a syck perl binding?
gaal I have to go to $work, see y'all later
Dunno. If there is, we'll want to use it conditionally.. 06:14
gaal vanishes
06:31 buu_ is now known as buu
dduncan now smoke just started data_types 06:38
little over 2h in
gaal wonders if the Ann change could have caused the slowdown 06:39
dduncan: could you try smoking 8152? 06:40
also, please make sure you have the Prelude precompiled!
you can test that w/o breaking off your smoke
just 'pugs' and see how fast the "Loading Prelude" message is in the interactive env. 06:41
I'm really, really not here now. :)
dduncan now smoke is 3 hours in, and we're on t/oo/roles 07:31
already, this is 4x the amount of time a full smoke usually takes
still appears evenly distributed 07:32
obra what made it go slower? 07:35
Alias_ obra++ # Having talked to audreyt, realised again how good a grant admin you were
(certainly compared to the typical level) 07:36
obra heh. 07:41
I'm not actually a grant admin so much as a project manager
but thanks :)
Alias_ Traded grant war stories with audreyt 07:42
obra *nod*
Alias_ Apparently your promptness and persistance were the key
obra I try to keep away from the money. That helps a lot too
Alias_ The expectation that the email will arive to the specific day
And that you can't be ignored
Other stories of irregular emails, and not chasing up if no response 07:43
Do you have a guide for grant managers?
obra I don't, really. 07:44
Again, what I do is project management, not grant management.
Alias_ A short intro might be useful
obra And it's a weird variety of project management, since it's all opensource stuff
*nod* I'll add it to the queue
no guarantees on timeliness, though
Alias_ "Contact them as reliably as possible. And even if it's Larry or Damien don't feel intimidated. They DO have to report to you. Make them" 07:45
etc
obra Most everyone I work with is a volunteer. And they don't have to report to me unless they want to. 07:48
But, if they report to each other, they'll get more done and feel more productive
Alias_ I'm not sure of the specifics on how it needs to be done, but some guidance might be good 07:49
To also help new people do it without too much of a hump
obra Are you picking up some sort of grant admin role? 07:50
Alias_ hmm? 07:51
That might be a conflict of interest :)
obra Do you have a specific project manager you're looking to have trained?
Alias_ Nope... just an idea based on scuttlebut by recipients :) 07:52
obra *nod* I've been talking to folks about ways to improve that. 07:53
I should talk to whiteg
Alias_ The blog thing might help, although it's going to perhaps mean a little more politically sensitive language in the reports
obra if there are reports, that's still better than what's now 07:55
Alias_ shrugs... again, I'm surprised people take grants and then don't follow through on their commitments
dduncan 3.5 hours in, now on t/packages 07:58
Alias_ Can you isolate the specific commit that did it? 07:59
dduncan obra, I don't know why it's slower, but it seems to be an element that is common to all the tests
I could try
Alias_ Pick a point half-way between you known points, and then recurse 08:00
dduncan all I know is that this happened after those infinite runtime tests, but not before them
Alias_ shouldn't take amazingly long
You should be able to tell pretty quick, right?
if any given iteration is slow?
dduncan it would probably take several hours of testing to figure that out ... not enough time tonight
I'd have to exactly time a portion first 08:01
then I could test with just that to measure it, perhaps 5-10 minutes per version tested
Alias_ Isn't it almost an order of magnitude?
dduncan yes ... about 5-10X slower
Alias_ but yeah, shouldn't take long... you could almost eyeball it
dduncan either way, not tonight 08:02
Alias_ right
dduncan actually ...
even if I only run part of the smoke, I still have to run 100% of the pugs compile for each version being tested, and that takes a good hour plus 08:03
at least to start with
Alias_ (current - previous)log(2) * 1.5 hours...
a while then :) 08:04
dduncan the last time I know it was normal speed is 2 weeks ago ...
my last smoke before the infinites
Alias_ ew
dduncan the infinites lasted for a week plus ...
I wonder if any other smokers showed changes ... 08:05
looking ...
they all seem fast
I think the first thing I'll do is a 'make clean' or something
meanwhile, I'm killing the current one ... 08:07
whiteg obra: ? 08:09
obra whiteg: about the grant interviews you were thinking about doing back then
whiteg is tracking logs 08:10
obra *nod* 08:11
gaal dduncan: make sure you have Prelude precompiled, and please test against 8152. 08:14
dduncan I thought it always did that
gaal it should, but the immediate result of it not being done is a slowdown. 08:16
pugs -e 'say %*INC' 08:17
if you see fatal <precompiled>, so is Prelude.pm. 08:18
nothingmuch gaal: all my talks were accepted! 08:20
lumimies Coo 08:23
dduncan okay, I think I reverted to 8152 ... but I can't report the result until tomorrow, given the 1 hour recompile thing ...
gaal nothingmuch: whee! 08:24
give me ideas for a talk please :(
nothingmuch what have you been working on lately? 08:25
gaal pragmas? but it looks like mjd and audreyt are doing the hard stuff, I'm just pushing it. 08:26
I know, I'll talk about Analytic and Algebraic Topology of Locally Euclidean Metrization
of Infinitely Differentiable Riemannian Manifold.
Alias_ Neat, so you can demonstrate calculation of optimised interplanety vehicle launch windows? 08:35
;)
So, audreyt has finally escaped my clutches 08:36
Useful World Domination Planning Sessions: 5
Number of Times forced to put Laptop Away: 3
Number of Shirts Scored: 1 :) 08:37
So now I have a pugscode shirt with a "Container Model" on the back I cannot begin to comprehend 08:38
gaal Alias_: google for "This I know from nothing".
Alias_ on the plus side, there's apparently only 2 of these shirts in the world :) 08:39
gaal Total T-shirt domination progress: 50%
Alias_ Is it rude to sell a gift on eBay within 24 hours? 08:40
:)
cure poem 08:42
cute
lumimies It's not a poem, it's a Tom Lehrer song 08:43
gaal you should hear him sing it
Alias_ nods
ingy audreyt: what build system is that? 09:48
audreyt ingy: CPAN::MakeMaker 10:06
(now Module::Install) 10:18
audreyt safely arrived to andrews's place
r0nny yo 10:23
audreyt yo 10:27
r0nny screams 10:29
i want my perl6 code work again
audreyt it doesn't? 10:30
I fixed your infinite BUILD bug!
r0nny still the problem wit the virtually undefined instances
btw - is the perl submethod still not aware of cyclic structures ? 10:32
well - gona try r8173
audreyt k 10:33
(working on docs now... bbiab)
r0nny hf
nothingmuch audreyt: all my talks were accepted to OSDC 10:37
guess i can't back out now, so see you there ;-)
audreyt cool 10:40
nothingmuch how was australia? 10:42
audreyt very productive 10:48
just braindumping with asavige about how to clean up and reorganize the docs/ tree
producing a more navigatable interface aka "perldoc perl" 10:49
reorganize the totally unhelpful pugscode.org homepage
(and equally unhelpful dev.perl.org/perl6/)
and producing a 02Architecture for Pugs that's not filled with jargons 10:50
and generally make the huge amount of raw information available in a more digestible manner
nothingmuch sounds good 10:51
audreyt it does... asavige is expert in taking notes 10:52
PJF Good evening, Audrey. How's Sydney?
audreyt and technical writing, apparently, in addition to mad golfing
PJF: heh, you just missed my reply to nothingmuch :) 10:53
colabti.de/irclogger/irclogger_log/...l=253#l446
audreyt praises the log bot
PJF goes digging through logs.
I was a little sad we didn't have Andrew at OSDc. We should get Sydney.PM to organise a conference. ;) 10:54
audreyt I think the #l446 bit should make it scroll to the exact point
and I just discovered I have two talks to give tomorrow 10:56
PJF is still waiting for the logs to load...
audreyt it's this slow? wow
PJF Oh! I knew you were giving talks. It's even up on use.perl.org as an article.
I suspect it's my browser/proxy. I can wget the page fine. 10:57
audreyt yeah, I noticed. "the bustling metropolis of Lismore"
PJF Did you get to visit that herb place we were discussing over dinner?
audreyt no, I did not.
PJF Logs seem to be working fine now. And the #|446 not only ends up at the exact point, but highlights it as well. Very nice. 10:59
audreyt cool :) 11:01
nothingmuch herb places are fun' 11:02
you can get nice spices
and things like peeled pistachios
tea
eye of newt 11:03
audreyt newts have herbs as eyes?
audreyt is finishing up PIL.Native.Eval 11:05
svnbot6 r8174 | pjf++ | Ignorant application of pugscode.org/css/perl.css to feather.
nothingmuch www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697...267,00.asp 11:08
Alias_ audreyt: Where was that auto code you showed me before in? 11:36
PJF Do we know of anything that would cause pugs to stop part-way through a 'make smoke' on 0% cpu, and apparently doing nothing? Or is my system just a little strange. 11:43
blm PJF: You running under Cygwin? 11:45
PJF blm: I sure am. 11:52
blm: I'm guessing it's probably some cygwin oddity at the moment.
blm PJF: I have ongoing issues with cygwin sh.exe processes just pausing 11:53
PJF: When I kill sh.exe the next step of the process continues 11:54
PJF: It is like sh.exe is blocking on something.
PJF: Does that make any sense?
PJF Hmm... My process tree looks like bash -> make -> perl -> perl -> pugs
I don't really want to kill the top-level shell. If I kill pugs, then that test fails, but the rest continues happily. 11:55
blm PJF: maybe it isn't related then
PJF Maybe not. Except that I can run the tests manually and they go through fine. It's just occasionally a test will hang. Very frustrating.
blm Yes. I can imagine 11:56
PJF I'm not planning to look into it deeply at the moment. I just wanted to ping the channel to see if there were any known problems.
blm I don't know. I am just starting to get into pugs myself. I just thought it may have been the same problem I am having with cygwin 11:57
audreyt Alias_: AutoLoader.pm line 46
PJF: no, nothing of this sort that I know of. which test was the last run?
Alias_ ta 11:58
PJF t/builtins/perl2.t was the last one that hung.
Alias_ PJF-- # Puzzle Pirates... nuff said
PJF laughs. You're not playing PP, are you?
Alias_ And coding at the same time
The only downside of three monitors
PJF Alias: Let me know when you have a moment, and I can give you a crew invite if you like. I only play while waiting for tests to complete. 11:59
audreyt PJF: can't duplicate here. try killing the running sh.exe or cygwin
PJF audreyt: I can just kill pugs and it continues to run happily. I plan to tweak the smoke tester so that I can run tests verbosely and see exactly where it stops. 12:00
If there's a pattern to it, I'd like to know it.
Alias_ PJF: OK... I think I accidentally joined another crew :/ 12:01
PJF Alias: Moving crews is pretty easy. You can join the Python/Twisted crew if you want. ;)
svnbot6 r8175 | juerd++ | Further xhtmlify 12:05
audreyt the new evaluator is here... will try to finish bootstrapping metamodel tomorrow 12:06
svnbot6 r8176 | autrijus++ | * Shiny new PIL.Native.Eval. "make pil" now starts to evaluate
r8176 | autrijus++ | the minilanguage according to Stevan's specs.
r8176 | autrijus++ | (See src/PIL/Native/Prims.hs for the still-growing primitive table)
audreyt stevan++ # exceedingly concise implementation to follow 12:07
I should probably sleep now. good night folks :) *wave*
PJF Night Audrey. Sleep well.
Night everyone. Time for me to get some sleep. 12:30
rafl audreyt: What explains the recent renaming? 12:32
audreyt rafl: It's part of my transgender process. I'll journal about it. 12:34
(hmm, I was supposed to sleep but worked on M::I and PAR release engineering instead) 12:35
rafl audreyt: Allright.
Alias_ hmm... ok, so the dist dir is where now? 12:53
actually, that should be easy to find myself
gaal any new info about the recent slowdown? 13:36
(popping in during a break from $work)
blm Where do I find out what the abbreviations are like PMC and imcc mean? 13:52
Juerd_ blm: The pugs wiki 14:08
blm Juerd_: Thanks 14:09
Juerd_ blm: pugs.kwiki.org/?Perl6Nomenclature
blm Juerd_: Gotchya. Looking at it now. Thanks 14:11
Juerd_ blm: yw 14:13
bbwwicci anyone around? 14:45
r0nny bbwwicci: yeah 14:54
bbwwicci: but usually they got better uses of their time, then answering the frequent anyone around questions 14:55
bbwwicci oh 14:57
16:31 fridim is now known as Fripette
r0nny audreyt: howz the issue with the virtually undefined instances ? 18:11
stevan_ audreyt: if you want help with the mini-lang metamodel just ask, I should be able to spare some cycles this week 18:36
Juerd_ wonders if there's more of a transformation than the nick change. 18:46
rafl ingy: ping
gaal Juerd_: yes, she started working at microsoft. www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2HON...86-2640846 18:48
Juerd_ That's scary.
gaal yes, and amazon use pdps, as you can see from the url. 18:50
okay I think that's enough discordianism from me for tonight :-)
rafl Juerd_: Hello. Got some money from your client already? 18:52
Juerd_ rafl: No. Sent 2nd reminder. 18:55
rafl: But have reserved some money I found for CCC
rafl Juerd_: You *find* money? 18:56
Juerd_ Quite literally.
Under a computer, in my office.
I considered it stolen for over a year.
rafl D'OH.. 18:57
Juerd_ More or less exactly what I thought, yea
rafl Why did you put it there at all? 18:58
19:00 Fripette is now known as Fridim
Juerd_ I didn't even know I put it there 19:00
So I have no idea 19:01
It probably got there by accident
In any case, throwing away an old computer has never before been so profitful :) 19:05
rafl :-D
Juerd_ Now let's hope EUR 300 suffices
r0nny ew - i never knew audreyt was female 19:06
Juerd_ r0nny: Neither did I :)
I still don't
r0nny ?
Juerd_: plz clarify context 19:08
Juerd_ I don't think I can :)
r0nny wth ?
darn - dont play sick games with a sleepy mind 19:09
Juerd_ r0nny: I could say the same to you 19:21
r0nny Juerd_: so u are way to sleepy, too ? 19:26
Juerd_ Yea 19:31
leo ping gaal 20:04
Albie gaal, alive? 20:05
leo or anybody else who knows about Test::TAP::HTMLMatrix 20:06
stevan_ audreyt: please read perl5/Perl6-ObjectSpace/docs/Meta-User-Bridge.pod and comment when you have some time :) 20:23
svnbot6 r8177 | stevan++ | Perl6::ObjectSpace 20:25
r8177 | stevan++ | - Added document describing the object-space <-> user-space bridge
r8177 | stevan++ | idea which I have been contemplating/babbling about for about a
r8177 | stevan++ | month now. I hope this makes the idea more clear. Questions,
r8177 | stevan++ | comments, suggestions are all welcome :)
sproingie join #pugs 20:45
oops
gaal hi, what's up?
sproingie bangs on that / key a little harder
nada. just catching up after a while 20:46
gaal pong for <leo Albie>
leo hi gaal 20:47
gaal hi there!
leo we got some questions about make smoke and Test::TAP::HTMLMatrix
we that is #parrot 20:48
gaal irc.perl.org right?
leo specifically how to include some visible feedback about 'make smoke' progress
irc.pobox.com
gaal hm, is there another server on that network? I'm not connecting. 20:50
leo blizzard.com iirc
wrong 20:51
irc.rhizomatic.net
sorry
gaal it works from feather :)
nothingmuch: hi. can you join #parrot @ irc.pobox.com please? 21:09
svnbot6 r8178 | fglock++ | * misc/Parser-Mini/pil2_json_emit_pir.p6 - PIR code emitter 21:26
audreyt g'morning 21:54
audreyt goes reading the meta-user bridge
stevan_ audreyt: hey 22:20
sri_ audreyt: ping 22:31
dduncan gaal, a smoke of 8152 shows it to be performing at normal/fast speed ... at least until it hangs on ext/Span/t/span.t 23:50
will update to 8153 to see if that changes something 23:51
er ... 23:53
actually, I think it was 8151 that I just tested and found ok 23:56
next I will try r8158, which given my setup is effectively the next version 23:57

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