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jisom ?eval int rand() 00:02
evalbot_r15249 0
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tene ?eval int(rand() * 500) 00:09
evalbot_r15249 451
TimToady ?eval (0..^500).pick
evalbot_r15249 105
TimToady ?eval (^500).pick 00:10
evalbot_r15249 190.0
TimToady hmm
tene ?eval ^500.pick
evalbot_r15249 Error: pick not defined: VInt 500
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TimToady precedence 00:10
allbery_b ?eval rand(100)
evalbot_r15249 99.05150801619783
TimToady ?eval pick ^500
evalbot_r15249 493.0 00:11
TimToady not sure why it's numifying
well, that'll probably fix itself when we get real range objects
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gaal any Module::Install folks around? 07:54
Aankhen`` Heh, I read "folks" as "forks".
gaal `perl Makefile.PL' mooses up the inc/ dir, which is bad, because when someone uses an svn checkout that dir's no longer valid 07:55
I haven't found any discussions of this on teh intenets, so I may be doing something wrong, but then again searching for "module install perl subversion" isn't very useful :) 07:56
(I never met with this problem during testing, as I use svk) 07:57
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Aankhen`` wonders if there's any value in buying a book about Perl 6 published in June 2004. 08:03
Patterner Are you a historian?
Aankhen`` Nope. 08:11
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rindolf Hi all. 11:23
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masak rindolf: Hello. 11:26
I'm worried about audreyt. I don't know much about hepatitis, but "severe hepatitis" doesn't sound good to me 11:27
masak wonders if there would be any way to create a "get well soon" card from all of the Pugs/Parrot/Perl6 team and send it to her somehow 11:29
andara masak: we could maybe scan our message and assemble them in Gimp? 11:34
avar masak: It generally means you're pretty fucked, not to incite anything 11:36
I got off very well on hepatitis but it was still two days in a hospital + extreme pain/vomiting/had to be given morphene 11:37
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avar oh, and it's followed by injections over two weeks, four times a day 11:38
uhu 11:39
I'm confusing it with meningitis, ignore my ramblings:) 11:40
hepatitis is inflammation of the liver:)
andara it depends on the type (A, B or C) but in general it takes 1-3 months to get over it 11:42
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masak avar: you had me really worried there for a while. but at least it sounds like we can hope to IR-see audreyt again 15:09
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rindolf Hi all. 16:41
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TimToady hello 16:44
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rindolf Hi TimToady 16:45
TimToady: what's up?
So is audreyt really not feeling well?
TimToady yes, and likely to be out for quite some time 16:46
one doesn't just "bounce back" from hepatitis, normally
rindolf TimToady: I see. :-( 16:47
BooK which kind of hepatitis is it? 16:51
TimToady BooK: didn't say 17:01
'course, the word itself just means an inflamed liver, which could have any number of causes 17:02
merlyn including literally? :)
andara yes, but unless it's type-A, it's very serious 17:03
merlyn as in, if a person's liver is physically on fire, does it count as hep? :)
and what if it's in a pan being cooked?
TimToady merlyn: don't be inflamatory. :)
merlyn yes, I don't mean to flame. 17:04
too easy to get burned that way
TimToady so we changed inflamable to flamable to avoid confusing people, why didn't we change inflame to flame at the same time?
merlyn we need "outflame" :) 17:05
TimToady audreyt needs her liver outflamed.
merlyn exactly
make some deflamatory remarks
TimToady I don't want to get sued for deflamation. 17:06
[particle] give me a break. can't we leave this topic alone?
TimToady sorry 17:07
[particle] give-- btw
TimToady already fixed
'bout five minutes ago 17:08
[particle] yes, that's what my comment referenced
my lack of smiley and your lack of coffee collided
TimToady :)
yeah, completely missed the double pun 17:09
been trying to go easy on the coffee lately to get my blood pressure down, sigh
low-sodium diets are teh suxor 17:10
as are low-caffeine diets
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diotalevi /who #cbstream 17:54
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ericgar hello. is there going to be another Parrot Bug Day soon? 18:12
[particle] rakudo.org/parrot/index.cgi?bug_day_2007_02_17 18:18
lambdabot Title: Bug Day, 2007-02-17 / Parrot
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ericgar [particle]: thank you. 18:25
ruoso !seen fglock 18:27
devbot6 ruoso: Error: "seen" is not a valid command.
Ziggy6 @seen fglock 18:30
lambdabot I saw fglock leaving #perl6 3d 18m 51s ago, and .
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buu Er, make -j3 fails but make suceeds? 18:59
moritz buu: do you have enough RAM for three parallel haskell processes? 19:01
buu Possibly.
moritz buu: I have 512MB and it starts swapping even with one single process :(
buu So far one is only using about 150mb
So I'm cpubound =[ 19:02
rindolf Is there an XML parser for Perl6? 19:04
Perl 6, sorry.
beppu (someone ought to port Hpricot) 19:05
moritz user perl6:XML::Simple; or something ;)
beppu code.whytheluckystiff.net/hpricot/
lambdabot Title: Hpricot, a fast and delightful HTML parser
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TimToady does anyone here know how to restart all of audreyt's bots while she is out of commission? 19:23
PerlJam wish I did. Someone should post that to a wiki or something 19:26
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kolibrie I documented what I think happened the last time evalbot needed to be restarted 19:26
in a README, I think
TimToady seems like keeping that going would be a good task for someone who wants to help out. 19:28
kolibrie there's also the svnbot, which I haven't figured out yet 19:29
TimToady ?eval 42 19:30
evalbot_r15251 42
TimToady evalbot is working
it's svnbot that seems down
kolibrie :)
:(
TimToady devbot6: help 19:31
devbot6 TimToady: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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TimToady that one's there too, so it's just svnbot6 that is apparently MIA 19:31
PerlJam TimToady: btw, I'm sure you don't hear (or see) this enough but ... thanks for all the work you've put into perl over the years.
TimToady I simultaneously get too much and not enough. Thanks for the encouragement. 19:32
jamessan whoa, there's a supybot in here
kolibrie TimToady: I'm also really grateful for Perl, particularly Perl 6 grammars at the moment 19:33
jamessan I'm constantly surprised by what projects use my bot
TimToady well, they still have warts, which I'm discovering by trying to write a Perl 6 grammar in Perl 6... 19:34
PerlJam TimToady: sure, but you're the best qualified to iron out those warts :-) 19:35
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TimToady don't know if I'm best qualified, but I'm the tortoise that just has to keep going, while the hare comes and goes, alas... 19:35
[particle] @Larry: turtles all the way down. 19:36
lambdabot Unknown command, try @list
TimToady and hares all the way up.
PerlJam [particle]: I thought in the perliverse that it's camels all the way down.
buu So.. how many tests is pugs supposed to be passing these days? 19:38
PerlJam buu: how many did it pass when you ran "make test"?
TimToady 17893 :) 19:39
basically, see m19s28.vlinux.de/cgi-bin/pugs-smokeserv.pl?
lambdabot Title: Pugs Smoke Reports
buu PerlJam: I'll get back to you on that one.
PerlJam Hey! I just realized something ... I'm not coding perl for a living anymore. That means I can start using perl6 again without fear of screwing up my perl5 code. 19:40
buu Yay perl6! 19:41
PerlJam At least I don't think I'm as likely to screw up a non-perl language.
buu Speaking of, where should I look for sockets?
TimToady around your eyeballs?
buu =[
TimToady what do you want to do with them?
buu Connect to IRC =] 19:42
TimToady you may need to import a perl5:SocketMumble module
PerlJam buu: ack is your friend
buu You've finally implemented mumble over tcp?
TimToady nah, I only spec things that can't be implemented 19:43
PerlJam buu: there's blib6/lib/Net/IRC.pm :-)
buu Hot sauce.
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buu Pugs seems to take a little whilte to test =[ 19:44
TimToady takes about 40 min to run all the smoke tests on my laptop 19:45
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buu GOOD LORD. 20:04
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buu Failed 41/671 test scripts, 93.89% okay. 193/16186 subtests failed, 98.81% okay. =[ 20:08
rindolf buu: I get similar results on my Mandriva cooker machine. 20:11
allbery_b buu: normal
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buu allbery_b: Bummer. 20:15
TimToady no, not a bummer. it means that culturally we aren't afraid to write failing tests.
buu So, now I've got pugs. How do I find documentation on themodules it comes with ? 20:16
allbery_b failing tests are our reminders to ourselves that perl6 is not yet ready for release.
TimToady most of the modules have pod embedded in them. 20:17
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mj41 hi, shootout.alioth.debian.org/sandbox/...ang=parrot 20:17
Sender: Brent A. Fulgham - I've updated to 0.4.6, the most recent available in Debian's unstable branch.
lambdabot Title: Parrot PIR benchmarks | Debian : AMD&#8482; Sempron&#8482; The Sandbox, tinyurl.com/26bsfa
Coke allbery_b: (reminder) you needed a REMINDER? =-) 20:18
mj41 sorry, bad channel
Coke 0.4.6 is old; not sure if it would affect the results, though.
buu Er, what's up with $bot<run>() ? 20:19
wolverian I think it was coded back before we had methods.
er, or objects. 20:20
buu Oh good.
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__Ace__ I am wondering.. say I have this "bigger" project that needs to be implemented. Should this be done in C or C++? 22:08
(I am thinking that Perl which is rather big, is done in C) 22:09
but with C++ you may have some more libraries handy
or, do it in C, and still use the C++ lib... 22:10
nwc10 which language are you more comfortable with?
moritz __Ace__: it all depends on what you're doing...
nwc10 and how portable does it need to be?
moritz __Ace__: if it's fairly lowlevel, use C
__Ace__: if it's a GUI toolkit: use C++
jrockway __Ace__: haskell :)
moritz and for the rest: perl ;) 22:11
__Ace__ Im better with C
and if it has to do with databases..
jrockway i can't help but think "#ifndef __Ace__" ;) 22:12
moritz well, obvisly __Ace__ _is_ defined ;)
__Ace__ :) 22:13
moritz __Ace__: just take a look if your db's c-bindings look cool or not...
__Ace__ hmm, looking to see if I can find some mysql API for C..
some lib that is..
moritz __Ace__: if yes, then C surely is a good choice
Patterner Use DBI :) 22:14
__Ace__ or
Patterner C only if you need speed.
__Ace__ I embedd perl with C :)
damn, its redicoulusly easy to embedd perl in C 22:15
its little harder with embedding modules there though :)
else if would be easy to create a single executable :) 22:16
moritz: no good gui toolkit made in C? 22:17
moritz __Ace__: there are (gtk), but gui toolkits are a thing that can be done _very_ neatly with object orientation 22:18
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Patterner C++ is the choice :) 22:20
__Ace__ well... C structs... ;) 22:24
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