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TimToady rosettacode.org/wiki/Order_disjoint...ems#Perl_6 is even prettier now, thanks to lizmat++ 00:30
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TimToady Ulti: (backlogging) I'd probably call Cygwin a Windows-embedded distro containing, among other things, a virtual Unix kernel 00:49
but yeah, it's various kinds of turtles all the way down 00:50
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dalek osystem: d76289f | (Andrew Egeler)++ | META.list:
Remove MiniDBI

Doesn't work and a bunch of code seems to be shared with DBIish, which is working.		 01:48
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moritz \o 05:21
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tadzik o/ 05:34
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Woodi morning :) 06:36
FROGGS morning 06:37
jnthn morning 06:39
nwc10 morning
Woodi but what features we need to check in OSes ? becouse enum OS { linux, bsd, unix, windows, maybe some other } was working generally good distinction in last decades, it indicates how to compile and usually how to package 06:40
masak morning 06:42
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FROGGS .tell raiph Hi, are you still working on the script that parses mirrored.by, or should I use one of these as a base? gist.github.com/raiph/63508a5f4ade000acc7f / gist.github.com/raydiak/11382643 06:49
yoleaux FROGGS: I'll pass your message to raiph.
FROGGS jnthn: you feel like deciding things already? :o) irclog.perlgeek.de/moarvm/2014-05-12#i_8712894 06:50
jnthn FROGGS: Have you considered an approach like we have for blocks used in handlers? 06:53
FROGGS jnthn: what blocks? 06:54
jnthn (that is, it's put by code-gen into a specific register, and we include the register number in the frame handler)?
The handler blocks.
FROGGS /* Register containing block to invoke, for invokey handlers. */
jnthn We do it that way to get closure semantics correct.
FROGGS MVMuint16 block_reg;
jnthn right, that.
FROGGS hmmm 06:55
will have to take a look how that works
but that sounds like I just need to write down + read the register number
and put the label in a register 06:56
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FROGGS anyway, I'll find out 06:56
-> #moarvm
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lizmat good *, #perl6! 07:47
FROGGS hi lizmat
tadzik hello hello 07:49
dalek ecs: 24a603c | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S28-special-names.pod:
Make Application a role
 07:51
lizmat tadzik FROGGS o/ 07:52
FROGGS hi tadzik 07:54
tadzik: btw, I am travelling to poznan by train on friday morning... is it usual to buy a ticket in the train? 07:55
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FROGGS it is an EC and later a KM if that matters 07:56
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tadzik FROGGS: it's okay, but you usually pay extra if you do that 07:58
for EC it's easy to buy a ticket online
FROGGS yeah, same like in germany
hmmm, where?
tadzik not so much for KM
intercity.pl/pl/ here
it even has a Deutsch version 07:59
FROGGS nice!
I had another site that had no other language than Polish
AAHHHHH!!! 08:00
Page not found
The page you requested was not found.
>.<
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FROGGS www.intercity.pl/de/ and www.intercity.pl/en/ are borken 08:01
that's not a good sign
bbiab 08:02
tadzik grr 08:03
I can buy you one and send you the pdf
dalek kudo/nom: ba37b3a | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Application.pm:
Introducing the Application role, as per 28:137
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kudo/nom: be0b3d5 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (6 files):
Difficult rename part 1
 08:13
jnthn FROGGS: I got my Berlin - Poznan ticket from bahn.de
(For...annoying...reasons I'm doing Copenhagen - Berlin by air, then train Berlin - Poznan.) 08:14
dalek kudo/nom: 100730c | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (6 files):
Difficult rename part 2
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jnthn lizmat: What's difficult about the rename? 08:25
lizmat if you're working on a case insensitive file system
jnthn ohhh
arrrgh
yes
lizmat you confuse the hell out of git if you do kernel -> Kernel
jnthn hah
lizmat hence the two steps
jnthn indeed
seen that on Windows 08:26
teh suck
lizmat this way, I'm not breaking the repo on case insensitive systems elsewhere either
jnthn wonders how confused it gets if you interactive rebase to squash the two :)
lizmat I'm not going there :-)
jnthn Yes, I was wondering, not suggesting :-) 08:27
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dalek ecs: 109a1b4 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S28-special-names.pod:
Further spec Kernel/Distro/VM classes
 08:49
lizmat fg 08:50
jnthn ^Z
lizmat :-)
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FROGGS jnthn: I can't book it online for some reason on the bahn.de site :/
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FROGGS jnthn: what train to you are on? 08:57
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FROGGS jnthn: so I can take the same and bug you about things I am interested in :P 08:57
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grondilu r: say <3 6i 3-5i>».WHAT; 08:59
camelia rakudo-jvm ba37b3: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
..rakudo-{parrot,moar} ba37b3: OUTPUT«(Parcel)␤»
grondilu r: say <foo bar>».flip
camelia rakudo-{parrot,jvm,moar} ba37b3: OUTPUT«oof rab␤»
grondilu r: say <foo bar>».WHAT 09:00
camelia rakudo-{parrot,jvm,moar} ba37b3: OUTPUT«(Parcel)␤»
grondilu was expecting (Str) (Str)
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moritz grondilu: .WHAT is macro-like, and thus doesn't (yet?) hyper 09:17
Timbus make: *** No rule to make target `src/core/distro.pm', needed by `CORE.setting.moarvm'. Stop. 09:18
blagh
lowercase
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Timbus <TimToady> rosettacode.org/wiki/Order_disjoint...ems#Perl_6 is even prettier now, thanks to lizmat++ 10:10
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Timbus is .map({[.words]}) equivalent to >>.words.tree 10:10
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moritz m: say ('a b', 'c', 'd e f')>>.words.tree 10:16
camelia rakudo-moar ba37b3: OUTPUT«a b c d e f␤»
moritz m: say ('a b', 'c', 'd e f')>>.words.tree.perl
camelia rakudo-moar ba37b3: OUTPUT«LoL.new(("a", "b").list.item, "c", ("d", "e", "f").list.item)␤»
moritz not quite, it seems 10:17
Timbus what the heck
moritz taht's surprising
jnthn FROGGS: I'm taking the one aroudn 15:30 or so on the Thu
FROGGS ohh, an Thu already 10:18
on*
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jnthn Yeah, so will be able to attend l'hackathon on the Fri :) 10:18
It gets to Poznan at like 18:30 or so
FROGGS jnthn: okay, I'll be in poznan at 13:10 on friday 10:19
Timbus m: say ((1, 2), (3, 4)).tree.perl 10:20
camelia rakudo-moar ba37b3: OUTPUT«LoL.new($(1, 2), $(3, 4))␤»
Timbus m: say ((1, 2), (3, 4)).list.tree.perl
camelia rakudo-moar ba37b3: OUTPUT«([1, 2], [3, 4]).list␤»
Timbus m: say ((1, 2), (3, 4)).list.lol.perl
camelia rakudo-moar ba37b3: OUTPUT«LoL.new(ListIter.new())␤»
Timbus jesus 10:21
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jnthn FROGGS: ah, ok. then no train together 10:34
FROGGS: Are you based in Berlin, btw? 10:35
Woodi will be absent this weekend in Poznan becouse everyone else get free days here... 10:39
dalek kudo/nom: 55ab8aa | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | / (6 files):
Make Distro/Kernel/VM use Application role
 10:40
lizmat $ perl6 -e 'say $*VM.version' 10:41
v2014.4.98.gbed.1693
not sure that's what we want there
jnthn gbed
Like a gnu library for sleeping :P
tadzik :D
dalek kudo/nom: 1984fdf | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Kernel.pm:
Fix $*KERNEL.version
 10:46
lizmat $ perl6 -e 'say $*KERNEL.version'
vDarwin.Kernel.Version.13.1.0.Wed.Apr.2.23.52.2.PDT.2014.root.xnu.2422.92.1.2.RELEASE_X.86._.64
not sure it makes sense to have Application.version be a Version
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lizmat S28:137 10:55
synopsebot Link: perlcabal.org/syn/S28.html#line_137
dalek ecs: ffad552 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S28-special-names.pod:
Make Application.version Any
 10:56
jnthn hmm...agree with idea, not sure about the name, but don't have a better suggestion off hand
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FROGGS jnthn: yes, I'm living like 1000m in south of Berlin 11:00
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FROGGS tadzik: I am unable to buy a ticket on that site... it says: "Uwaga! Z przyczyn technicznych w e-IC brak możliwości zakupu biletu do Warszawy Gdańskiej. Przepraszamy." 11:08
jnthn Looks like "OHNOES! Due to technical reasons you cannot buy tickets to Warsaw/Gadansk. kthxbai" 11:12
FROGGS ha! today it works to book it on bahn.de! :D 11:13
sortof, yes :o)
nwc10 yesterday it didn't?
sergot FROGGS: I can help you. 11:14
FROGGS no, I could just request to get an offer delivered by mail, which takes 2-3 days
sergot: no need, I can buy my ticket now :oO)
but I enjoy the "Uwaga!" right now *g* 11:15
jnthn :D
tadzik FROGGS: huh, why would you buy a ticket to warsaw? :o
FROGGS that is what I'd scream when I drum on my chest 11:16
sergot Good question. :P
FROGGS tadzik: it is just a train that goes on to warsaw
tadzik aha
FROGGS berlin -> poznan -> warsaw
tadzik righty
FROGGS okay, looks like I can be there at 10 am \o/ 11:17
nwc10 Good *Morning* Warsaw?
FROGGS hehe
yay, got my ticket 11:25
sergot \o/ 11:26
lizmat first part of commute to Poznan& 11:29
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virtualsue heh. i tried making perl6 on a mac, and make segfaulted 12:11
virtualsue investigates the toolchain 12:12
FROGGS virtualsue: yeah, I either [Coke] or colomon reported that already, and it seems as it is really a bug in make itself 12:13
I think*
virtualsue it appears to be
FROGGS would be nice if we could work around that though 12:14
colomon the good news is, the make error comes after all the important stuff has been built. 12:16
actually, as nearly as I could tell the makefile was completely done by the time it got the error. 12:17
virtualsue i was wondering if that were true
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woolfy1 Hope to see many of you in Poznan and in Prague. In 5 minutes we drive off to the east. \o/ 12:49
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dalek kudo-star-daily: 7b7c5e6 | coke++ | log/ (5 files):
today (automated commit)
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btyler .tell tadzik: a couple of pull reqs on panda and ufo to change $*VM<name> to $*VM.name, when you have a moment 14:04
yoleaux btyler: What kind of a name is "tadzik:"?!
PerlJam heh!
btyler dangit 14:05
PerlJam yoleaux: you need to learn to ignore a trailing colon
tadzik what kind of rapping name is Steve? 14:07
star: $*VM.name 14:08
camelia ( no output )
tadzik star: $*VM.name.say
camelia star-{m,p} 2014.04: OUTPUT«(Str)␤»
sergot star: say $*VM.perl; 14:09
camelia star-p 2014.04: OUTPUT«{"name" => "parrot", "config" => {"hugeintval" => "long long", "prefix" => "/home/p6eval/star-2014.04", "link_dynamic" => "-Wl,-E", "includedir" => "/home/p6eval/star-2014.04/include", "new_perldoc" => "0", "has_libffi" => "1", "bigendian" => "0", "HAS_TIMESPE…»
..star-m 2014.04: OUTPUT«{"config" => {"laolib" => "3rdparty/libatomic_ops/src/libatomic_ops.a", "moardll" => "libmoar.so", "mainflags" => "-DMVM_SHARED", "be" => "0", "ccout" => "-o ", "mknoisy" => "ifneq (\$(NOISY), 1)MSG = \@echoCMD = \@NOOUT = > /dev/nullNOERR = 2> /dev/nullendif"…»
tadzik btyler: I'm wondering if the new syntax has worked since forever, or should I also tag the existing HEAD for people with older rakudos
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TimToady grondilu: I think using Test on rosettacode.org/wiki/Index_finite_l...ers#Perl_6 kind of obscures the round-trippiness that the previous output made visually clear; Test is a good thing, but not everything on RC has to use it... 15:46
likewise, for instance, the output format of rosettacode.org/wiki/Order_disjoint...ems#Perl_6 is chosen to put the output directly under the corresponding input so you can make a visual comparison, and using Test on that one would obscure that visual relationship 15:49
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jnthn back from teaching for the day 15:54
TimToady (but grondilu++ xx * for all the work on rosettacode :)
o/
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TimToady all you SDLers, rosettacode.org/wiki/Fibonacci_word/fractal might be another graphic fruit ripe for plucking 15:58
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grondilu TimToady: we can put back all the round-trippiness in the Test output if you want. 16:45
though I'm fine with not using Test any. It's true that it makes things less clear. 16:46
*anyway
grondilu edits the RC entry
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TimToady grondilu++ 17:08
PerlJam I don't know if I was having some kind of Dune theme running through my head, but I kept reading the Space Invaders game as "Spice Invaders" 17:22
(I just saw it again in my feedly subscriptions) 17:23
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dalek ecs: 0090f83 | TimToady++ | S28-special-names.pod:
change Application to Systemic and Universal roles

The word Application is entirely misleading for describing the various systems that form the execution context of your program, so instead we'll have the role Systemic to express the notion of some local system that we're running in the context of (operating system,
  kernel, architecture, physical machine, virtual machine, virtual OS,
maybe even windowing system).
We also split out the role Universal to be done by any object that needs a cosmically unique name. The version must be well formed in order to be suitable for naming. Other version-like info can go into a description instead (or, if it must be part of the name somehow, into the auth attribute). The crypto signature may or may not end up being optional for various kinds of entities. A physical architecture is not distributed over the network, so is unlikely to have a checksum.		 17:52
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FROGGS okay, the P5 part of my CPAN work is done for now: github.com/andk/pause/pull/117 github.com/andk/pause/pull/118 17:56
now I need to fiddle with MIRRORED.BY, the JSON blob CPAN(PAUSE) will generate, and panda 17:57
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FROGGS wow, looks like my nick fits pretty well with JSON, PAUSE, CPAN, and so on 17:57
[Coke] PerlJam: is your feedly doubling up on images today?
FROGGS ahh, that reminds me of something... 17:58
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FROGGS who wants to write Panda::Reporter::Metabase? 17:58
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moritz who wants to live forever? 18:08
vendethiel moritz: sounds boring ! 18:11
moritz indeed; when the Universe has died its heat death, living will be *very* boring 18:12
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[Coke] Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class java.lang.Shutdown 18:15
(from jvm spectest) 18:16
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dalek rl6-roast-data: ae60130 | coke++ | / (6 files):
today (automated commit)
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[Coke] parrot still at 200 failures from datetime shenenigans. jvm/moar down to about 30 each (but those have been failing for a week) 18:32
moritz time to fudge and ticket them, no? 18:33
[Coke] I would say so, yes. 18:34
"pleaes"
*"pleae"
*"please" (!) 18:35
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dalek ast: 6810fce | (David Warring [email@hidden.address] | integration/advent2010-day10.t:
Add parens to sort: ... <== sort() <== ...
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TimToady it's supposed to work without the parens 18:53
vendethiel TimToady: he kept the other test below :)
(but I indeed thought the same)
TimToady okay
vendethiel std++
dwarring TimToady: I've got a ticket open on that: RT121843 18:54
will revert when rakudo can handle it 18:55
TimToady std defines those as feed_separators and lumps them into stdstopper
they used to be parsed as ordinary operators, but we decided they needed to be looser than statements
but yes, rakudo needs to handle them a bit differently in that case 18:56
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TimToady maybe Mouq++ would be interested in that one later when he's not so busy not flunking school :) 18:58
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moritz ugh 19:14
it seems that some of those concurrency tests are immune to fudging
the fudges end up on unrelated tests
.tell lizmat I'm unable to fudge those failing S17 tests, the TODO markers seem to end up on unrelated tests; any idea what to do, except removing them from t/spectest.data? 19:16
yoleaux moritz: I'll pass your message to lizmat.
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dalek ast: a89da36 | (David Warring [email@hidden.address] | integration/advent2012-day24.t:
tweak
 19:23
ast: ddedc47 | (David Warring [email@hidden.address] | integration/advent2010-day11.t:
adding advent 2010 day 11
TimToady fudge units must always be either a complete block, or a statement starting with a recognized test keyword and ending with a *semicolon*
(last I knew, anyway...)
and the keyword has to begin the line (ignoring whitespace), while the semicolon has to end the line 19:24
well, end *a* line, not necessarily the same line
FROGGS you're talking in statement modifiers :o) 19:25
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TimToady given also that a comment is allowed after the semicolon 19:27
if you will :) 19:28
jnthn FROGGS: Do you see the Panda breakage on latest r-m also? 19:29
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FROGGS *g* 19:29
jnthn: I have to build a latest r-m first... 19:30
jnthn OK, thanks.
When I rebootstrap I get a JSON::Tiny test fail blowing it up. It SEGVs under latest, but going quite a way back to earlier patches in the spesh_trace branch I see: 19:31
lue jnthn: the "no subtests run" for panda's tests? I've seen that the last couple times I tried (moar, nqp, and rakudo all from the last couple of days)
jnthn t/02-structure.t .. ===SORRY!===
No such method 'package' for invocant of type 'NQPAttribute'
FROGGS btw, Perl 6 is very awesome for data munging... gist.github.com/FROGGS/70b742062c0be637e3b5
jnthn lue: No, I don't even get that far.
FROGGS this parses MIRRORED.BY, ping every host and spits out the ten fastest... the entire script fits on my laptop screen
lue Ah. Well, that's where I fail, every one of panda's test files gets a red "No subtests run", and then the test summary complains "Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output" for each one. 19:32
moritz TimToady: it emits the todo() call in the right place
TimToady: but lexical proximity doesn't seem to be enough with those concurrency tests
vendethiel FROGGS: you must have a wide screen :p
FROGGS vendethiel: no really, that is a very readable font size here :o) 19:33
TimToady sounds like you want skip instead
todo will still try to run things
FROGGS which is not good for explody things 19:34
vendethiel ooh given + postfix when is cool too ...
moritz most don't explode, just fail
vendethiel FROGGS: btw, couldn't .sort({$^a.value<ping> <=> $^b.value<ping>}) just be .sort(*.value<ping>) ?
moritz only if .value<ping> is already numeric 19:35
moritz doesn't know any context
if not, it'd need to be +*.value<ping>
vendethiel yeah, it is :) 19:36
FROGGS it is...
thanks :o)
vendethiel feels kinda proud...-ish ... somewhat :P 19:37
FROGGS *g*
vendethiel
.oO( Look at all the operators I've learned since I first came here, early march ! )
TimToady a ping race would be a good use for the NYI race context 19:38
with todo, I suspect the count of tests to skip is not raceproof
and something is probably tracking that number dynamically rather than lexically 19:40
FROGGS ~/dev/panda$ perl6-m bootstrap.pl 19:41
==> Bootstrapping Panda
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
jnthn: ^^
jnthn um 19:42
Yeah, my rebootstrap gets awy futher than that
*sigh*
But I went all the way back on my box to a MoarVM before spesh_trace, an NQP before lexopts, and a Rakudo from May 7th...and I still get the same failures :/ 19:43
FROGGS O.o
vendethiel FROGGS: btw, how does "| ms" works for m | ms ? 19:44
FROGGS it only handles 'ms' at all now 19:45
vendethiel ah alright
so "| ms" is "either ms or (TBD)" 19:46
dwarring PR to tidy up 'sometests' targets in Makefile - github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/267
jvm specific target should be j-sometests not sometests 19:47
sometests target introduced to run tests on all backends
FROGGS jnthn: reboostrap.pl goes on here too 19:48
jnthn goes on? 19:49
FROGGS seems to work...
jnthn ah
Mine crashes at JSON::Tiny
FROGGS the normal bootstrap just segfaults without saying that a rebootstrap is needed
MVM_interp_run (tc=tc@entry=0x6035e0, initial_invoke=initial_invoke@entry=0x7ffff7a03218 <toplevel_initial_invoke>, invoke_data=<optimized out>) 19:50
at src/core/interp.c:4292
4292 if (IS_CONCRETE(check) && STABLE(check) == want_c) {
vendethiel m: say 'a .b' ~~ my rule foo {^ 'a' . <[a..z]> $}
camelia rakudo-moar 1984fd: OUTPUT«｢a .b｣␤␤»
jnthn Right, I got that
vendethiel m: say 'a .b' ~~ my rule foo {^ 'a' '.' <[a..z]> $}
camelia rakudo-moar 1984fd: OUTPUT«｢a .b｣␤␤»
jnthn What if you set MVM_SPESH_DISABLE=1 ?
FROGGS that happened after the deps got build, and it tried to build lib/Panda/Builder.pm
that takes a minute 19:51
vendethiel oh .ws is using * 19:52
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FROGGS Attempt to read past end of string heap (index 9109510) 19:53
mp_clear (a=0x0) at 3rdparty/libtommath/bn_mp_clear.c:25
25 if (a->dp != NULL) {
jnthn: ^^
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FROGGS that seems to be skids++ patch? 19:54
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vendethiel can somebody give me the link to that C++11 grammar ? It was really neat :) 19:55
FROGGS hmmm, perhaps not...
jnthn FROGGS: no, that's not applied yet afaik
uh, mp_clear can't be the right place for the error...
FROGGS I'll gist the bt
jnthn: gist.github.com/FROGGS/509cc31a2e0de0b63747 19:56
during cleanup of a P6bigint
jnthn oh... 19:57
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jnthn An exit crash 19:57
What if you --ll-exception it?
vendethiel should DEPRECATED take a :since ?
FROGGS vendethiel: github.com/andydude/droxtools/blob...Parser.pm6
vendethiel FROGGS++ <3 19:58
FROGGS jnthn: it seems to work when I invoke it in another shell, so I have to start again, hold on 19:59
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jnthn :/ 20:01
I have everything here as it was in early May, and I still get the JSON::Tiny build failing. 20:02
Done a completely clean build, after tossing my panda clone, install, etc.
FROGGS hmmmm 20:03
how does it fail?
moritz last touched JSON::Tiny in January
FROGGS jnthn: gist.github.com/FROGGS/509cc31a2e0de0b63747 20:05
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vendethiel std: my $a = sort <== [1, 2, 3]; say 1 > 2; 20:06
camelia std ec3d853: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 128m␤»
vendethiel p6: my $a = sort <== [1, 2, 3]; say 1 > 2;
camelia rakudo-{parrot,jvm,moar} 1984fd: OUTPUT«===SORRY!=== Error while compiling /tmp/tmpfile␤Two terms in a row␤at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤------> my $a = sort <== [1, 2, 3]; say 1 > ⏏2;␤ expecting any of:␤ postfix␤ infix stopper…»
..niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤␤Two terms in a row at /tmp/tmpfile line 1:␤------> my $a = sort <== [1, 2, 3]; say 1 > ⏏2;␤␤Parse failed␤␤»
vendethiel (can you feel the jvm ?)
FROGGS use m: for speed
:o) 20:07
vendethiel I wanted to see if niecza got it
FROGGS I see that nm: would be handy these days
jnthn t/02-structure.t .. ===SORRY!=== 20:08
No such method 'package' for invocant of type 'NQPAttribute'
t/02-structure.t .. Dubious, test returned 1 (wstat 256, 0x100)
No subtests run
Like that
FROGGS O.o 20:09
FROGGS .oO( ===UWAGA!=== )
(Sorry)
jnthn But I get this on early May builds of everything :/
FROGGS wipe your install/? 20:10
jnthn already done
FROGGS and perhaps have a look at the taskmgr... not that a process still owns a file and you do not see that it does not get overwritten
masak .oO( ==警告!== ) 20:11
jnthn Doesn't seem so
FROGGS I had that two weeks ago... Notepad++ was so kind to keep a lock on .mbc files >.<
jnthn yeah, but perl6-m --version shows the Moar and Rakudo revisions I'd expect 20:13
hoverboard does Larry Wall come in here?
TimToady sometimes
hoelzro I hear he's a tricky guy, though =P 20:14
kurahaupo :) 20:15
vendethiel (you guys are pretty mean :P) 20:17
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jnthn FROGGS: Now trying 2014.04 of everything 20:18
FROGGS jnthn: when 2014.04 still fails, then perhaps a reboot will do :o) 20:19
because everything else will then be very very unlikely
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jnthn yeah...except I didn't build Panda in a good while 20:20
FROGGS not even for star?
well, I did anyway
jnthn I did the star release on my Linux VM 20:21
FROGGS ahh, I see 20:22
would be sad if we had CPAN and you could not even install panda :P 20:23
nwc10 sad panda
(no-one else said it) 20:24
jnthn wtf
2014.04 fails too
TimToady finds the 3rd person to be conducive to discovery of what people really think, is all, he says to vendethiel :) 20:25
FROGGS yes, you said that already (that is not rude, it is a quote from Harry Potter)
vendethiel *me links FROGGS++'s gist * "I was thinking about that in the afternoon -- I need to parse some stuff from a manpage, but my friend's doing it in python ..." "yeah, well he shoulnt, look at this C++11 grammar, less than 1k lines with all the weirdest things that exist!"
vendethiel looks up "conducive" in a dictionary
vendethiel still doesn't understand ^o) 20:26
masak "is conducive to" == "leads to"
jnthn *sigh*
FROGGS TimToady is like the king who wandered between his knights before a big battle...
jnthn OK, reboot time
FROGGS :/
jnthn Just in case.
This is ridiculous :/
TimToady would like to see a reboot out of the case
FROGGS it is 20:27
vendethiel I can translate the sentence, but not get its meaning
masak FROGGS: that would be Henry V...
FROGGS masak: yeah, must be it... I've got my knowledge from Star Trek TNG :-S 20:28
TimToady thinks that going incognito helps him find out what people's agendas are before those agendas are modified by O_O responses 20:29
TimToady sometimes goes incogito instead, though 20:30
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masak well, I always imagined that the king must have felt some measure of relief taking on the clothes of "just one of the men", and walking about, listening to the grassroots. 20:37
TimToady a frank view from an outsider is something that famous people start to crave after a while
masak I can imagine. 20:38
TimToady otoh, it's nice to be able to walk away from a troll, if that's the intent
masak anyone *can* walk away from a troll :>
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vendethiel I can imagine too, even if my experience was with far, far, far, far fewer people 20:39
jnthn FROGGS: Nope, post-reboot, same issue. :/
TimToady sure, but famous people also crave an occasional feeling of irresponsibility :)
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vendethiel (I agree that it's better to be incognito to see what people do before they're wooh) 20:39
jnthn And stuff reports 2014.04 20:40
vendethiel I only realized who TimToady was after maybe 2 weeks (and au after maybe 2 years)
TimToady and I'm pretty confident that Larry Wall gets a lot of wooh :)
vendethiel
.oO( I can't tell, for I don't do perl :P )
TimToady probably too much for his own good
TimToady is still trying to figure out who he is... 20:41
vendethiel
.oO( There Is More Than One Larry )
TimToady said Mr Ellison 20:42
retupmoca masak: could I get you to look at a couple of PRs? (github.com/masak/yarn/pull/3 and github.com/masak/csv/pull/10)
vendethiel is today quote day ?
masak retupmoca: lookings
looking*
TimToady vendethiel: no, it's just a quotidian day 20:43
vendethiel well, at least today isn't humor day.
moritz my thoughts went from "famous within one community" to "local celebrety" to "local hero", and now I can't get the "going home" song from the "Local Hero" out of my head
vendethiel moritz: you got me "I need a hero" in mine :) 20:44
masak .oO( local variable within one community )
TimToady buzzes past moritz on a motorbike
masak retupmoca: merged, and merged. retupmoca++ retupmoca++ 20:45
moritz www.youtube.com/watch?v=CagybSu2lNo # that one
retupmoca masak++
moritz is glad he isn't the only one who remembers that movie 20:46
TimToady great movie, pity it's only a mono soundtrack
moritz though these days, Mark Knopfler seems to play "Piper to the End" at the end of his concerts instead 20:50
TimToady probably hoping he'll drop dead appropriately right after to enhance the irony 20:51
moritz :-)
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masak if he does it often enough, eventually he'll have probability on his side. 20:57
ingy heya masak! 21:00
masak ingy-san! 21:01
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TimToady observes ingy and masak conversing in proto-ingy-european... 21:05
masak :P 21:06
clearly related to ingy-san-skrit.
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huf i think this might be a relevant fragment: dalok.theisz.hu/?page=song&id=H...sNyulacska 21:08
Ingyom, bingyom, táliber,
tutáliber, máliber,
that cant be coincidence.
ingy 好好好 21:10
er, 哈哈哈 ;)
TimToady well, well, well 21:11
huf your unified ideographologies wont work on me!
ingy huf huf huf
huf good god, people write my name and i cant read it? surely they now have occult power over me 21:12
TimToady
.oO(why do linguists call it "reduplication" when there's only two?)
huf TimToady: it's aaalmost self-demonstrating :)
ingy is still waiting for masak to give him 5 mins
huf should be rereplication :)
masak ingy: I wish someone would give *me* 5 mins! :/ 21:13
ingy masak: you got it. what do you want to show me?
masak heh.
ingy: anyway, I'll let you know when I feel unfettered enough to lend you your 5 min.
TimToady yah, love those terms, syncpe, apocop, methatesis
garden pathological 21:14
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ingy masak: great, then I can show you something that will save you 30 mins a day :) 21:15
I've been meaning to make masak a video
PerlJam ingy: he already has Perl 6 :)
FROGGS moritz: the front page of perl-6.de/ needs little adjustments... (the sentences about Threads and also niecza) 21:16
ingy Perl 6 is very cool 21:17
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ingy I stumbled upon this today: rosettacode.org/wiki/Generate_Chess...ion#Perl_6 21:18
FROGGS moritz: there is also a typo in the links section
ingy and thought it fantastic until I saw: rosettacode.org/wiki/Generate_Chess...ition#Ruby
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ingy Ruby -- Perl 6 since the 90's 21:19
vendethiel
.oO( at least Ruby's flip flops are still dotty ! )
ingy heya vendethiel!
vendethiel o/ ingy !
ingy I think I've seen you on #livescript? 21:20
vendethiel ingy: yep :) I'm nami-doc on github
I knew I had seen you somewhere, too :p
ingy vendethiel: got 5 mins? :)
vendethiel ingy: I shouldn't, but let's say I do :) 21:21
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ingy sec 21:21
PerlJam ingy: Borrow 5 minutes from enough people and you'll soon have a whole day
ingy > git hub user nami-doc | jist -f out.txt 21:22
gist.github.com/d96246e6424745b434b4
> git hub follow nami-doc 21:23
'ingydotnet' is now following 'nami-doc'
vendethiel ingy: damn, it doesn't even show up my streak !
:D
ingy: well, it works ;-)
ingy > git hub repos nami-doc -c10 | jist -f file.txt 21:24
gist.github.com/22475ce832aa3544c8d4
vendethiel: run `git hub issue-new ingydotnet/git-hub` and file an issue to show streak
vendethiel ingy: well, I'm afraid I'm on windows right now :) 21:25
you must really be motivated to do so much stuff in bash ! 21:26
btyler ingy: oooh, nice. I see search is on the todo -- once you have that, I think it could replace my github browser usage entirely 21:27
retupmoca ingy: you are ingydotnet on github? I have PRs for you!
ingy: github.com/ingydotnet/yaml-pm6/pull/2 and github.com/ingydotnet/testml-pm6/pull/2 will make your P6 modules build and install cleanly
ingy > git hub repos nami-doc -c3 -r | git hub clone - 2>/dev/null | jist -f out.txt 21:28
gist.github.com/5a0c94e5583da039d2df
vendethiel Definitely looking forward to search too :)
ingy btyler: `git hub issue ingydotnet/git-hub` for search
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ingy I can add it today 21:29
vendethiel maybe I'd like to have some kind of alias, if I use some repo really often enough. Maybe not
ingy vendethiel: the piping is where it gets great
I use gh
here's a great command. sec
git hub repos Perl6 21:30
git hub repos Perl6 -r | git hub clone -
those are cool but
masak 'night, #perl6 21:31
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ingy git hub issues Perl6/specs -r | git hub issue Perl6/specs - 21:32
that command is worth the price alone
vendethiel 'night too, #perl6 :) 21:34
ingy git clone [email@hidden.address] export $PWD/git-hub/lib:$PATH; git hub setup
vendethiel: there's your short setup
enjoy
vendethiel ingy: will keep for 'nux :)
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btyler ingy: this is awesome! got a 404 on adding an issue though 21:35
ingy btyler: :\
gist it
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btyler hm, now its a "can't find value for" one sec, will reinstall and try again 21:37
ingy btyler: just show me the command 21:38
no need to reinstall
btyler ingy: gist.github.com/kanatohodets/17a43...7785ac32e2 21:39
"issues" output is there just to show that I wasn't typoing the repo name or something 21:40
ingy btyler: saw that bug last night
use issue-new
or since you are inside git-hub repo just say `git hub issue` 21:41
btyler oh, lovely. this is awesome
really? nice!
this is so cool
PerlJam ingy++ (I've been playing too. It *is* really nice)
ingy `git hub issue 39` shows an issue. So I made `git hub issue` call `git hub issue-new` 21:42
but that fails when you specify the owner/repo
PerlJam ingy: btw, I just did "git hub members perl6" and it prompts me to press CTRL-C or Enter ... any reason you didn't just use an existing pager? (or is there some config I set to make it do so?)
ingy btyler: please add an issue for that :) 21:43
PerlJam: git hub members perl6 -a
there is a reason for it
hoelzro ingy: where is this hub subcommand from? 21:44
PerlJam hmm. -a == "all" doesn't immediately jump out at me that a pager would be used
ingy if you had a really long list there's no way to tell it not to keep fetching
and you would burn your rate limit
PerlJam makes sense
ingy it's a compromise 21:45
I only recently got paging working in general
hoelzro: 21:41:23 ingy | git clone [email@hidden.address] export $PWD/git-hub/lib:$PATH; git hub setup
hoelzro thanks!
ingy :)
PerlJam I'm still boggling a bit that you wrote a JSON parser in bash. That's ... that's ... crazy! :-) 21:46
ingy PerlJam: git hub members perl6 -r | git hub follow -
btyler issue added
ingy btyler++
PerlJam: and ported Test::More :P
run make test
btyler ingy: going to show all my coworkers, this is too awesome not to share 21:47
ingy or prove -v test
btyler: git hub star ingydotnet/git-hub # :D
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btyler hahahaha, done :) 21:48
ingy PerlJam: or just, git hub members perl6 -r | git hub user -
please add issues for the API things you want
search would certainly be nice
21:53:17 GitHub53 | [git-hub] kanatohodets opened issue #66: Add `git hub search` git.io/m8SeKQ 21:49
from #git-commands
oh there are also plugins like git-hub-travis and git-hub-irc
PerlJam: I have a growing number of bash packages, so I made bpan.org ( bpan-org/bpan ) 21:51
PerlJam heh!
that's just too awesome
ingy it's an amazingly simple CPAN thing built over git-hub
and can be applied to any lang 21:52
so once it is good I will make a perl6 one
and actually a perl5 one
it can be a modern parallel to cpan and panda
is that the current p6 one? 21:53
PerlJam aye 21:54
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ingy try the -v -O -J and -H options to see behind the scenes on a command ( or the insane -x ) 21:57
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ingy btyler, PerlJam: spread the good word (especially to masak (he's a git teacher (with no tuits!))) 22:05
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retupmoca .seen labster 22:07
yoleaux I saw labster 9 Feb 2014 20:29Z in #perl6: <labster> hi masak!
ingy > git hub url lib/git-hub
github.com/ingydotnet/git-hub/blob/...ib/git-hub
retupmoca .tell labster take a look at github.com/labster/perl6-File-Find...tes/pull/2 when you get a chance :)
yoleaux retupmoca: I'll pass your message to labster.
ingy that one is nice for irc
I have a vim binding to add the line # and shove into my paste buffer
also `git hub open [<file/path>]` 22:08
for browser interaction
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jnthn OK, so my fruitless bug search is, it seems, due to a Panda bug on Windows :( 22:12
sub path-to-module-name($path) { say $path; $path.subst(/^'lib/'/, '').subst(/^'lib6/'/, '').subst(/\.pm6?$/, '').subst('/', '::', :g);
}
Hardcodes forward slashes :(
lue Don't they work on Windows anyway? Or is there something about Windows filesystems I'm unaware of? 22:13
jnthn lue: Typically they do, but look at what the code is doing.
The problem is that $path has backslashes in
So the DFS gets bad module names, and then things get messed up
lue Ah, I completely missed the part where it's doing matching :)
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jnthn yeah, fixing that gets things further 22:16
timotimo wow, tadzik, be ashamed of yourself :P
jnthn So now I can look for the real bug :/
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jnthn Apart from I can't 'cus I need to sleep 'cus teaching tomorrow. 22:17
lue imagines a $/ that holds a string of the directory separator, for ease of use. Wait...
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tadzik timotimo: wha, why? :P 22:20
timotimo is that not your code up there? :P 22:22
jnthn gist.github.com/jnthn/38ba57f278759ea73800
tadzik up where? :o 22:23
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lue nqp-m: say(0x7FFF_FFFF_FFFF_FFFF); # pretty sure negatives shouldn't be happening until 0x8000... 22:34
camelia nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«-9223372036854775808␤»
lue m: say 0x7FFF_FFFF_FFFF_FFFF
camelia rakudo-moar 1984fd: OUTPUT«9223372036854775807␤»
lue Huh, looks like things are getting screwy once you creep towards the last possible magnitudes in nqp :) 22:41
nqp-m: say(0x10_0000_0000_0001); say(0x10_0000_0000_0002); say(0x100_0000_0000_0001); say(0x100_0000_0000_0002)
camelia nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«4503599627370497␤4503599627370498␤72057594037927936␤72057594037927936␤»
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lue nqp-m: say(0x20_0000_0000_0001); say(0x20_0000_0000_0002); 22:43
camelia nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«9007199254740992␤9007199254740994␤»
skids lue: I chased that as far as seeing that the value returned from make in the hexint grammar action was correct. So it's either the constant table add, serialization/deserialization, or retrieval from the constant table that is broke. 22:44
lue oh, and if try to "+1" any of the broken stuff, it blows up: "Error while compiling op add_i (source text: "+"): Cannot infer type from '9007199254740992'", for instance 22:45
*if I try
skids m: say 0d9007199254740994 22:48
camelia rakudo-moar 1984fd: OUTPUT«9007199254740994␤»
timotimo tadzik: the one with hard coded forward slashes :)
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tadzik ooh 22:48
I can see myself doing that ;)
timotimo it's only tuesday and this week i've already had more visitors and views than each of the two weeks before that 22:49
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skids lue: I do remember getting it to break with 0d but I fogrget the value. 22:51
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skids m: say 0d088888888888888888 # there we go. 22:51
camelia rakudo-moar 1984fd: OUTPUT«88888888888888896␤»
colomon :( 22:52
p: say 0d088888888888888888 22:53
camelia rakudo-parrot 1984fd: OUTPUT«88888888888888888␤»
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skids nqp-m: say(0d0888888888888888888) # here too. 22:56
camelia nqp-moarvm: OUTPUT«888888888888888832␤»
BenGoldberg nqp-p: say(0d0888888888888888888) 22:58
camelia nqp-parrot: OUTPUT«888888888888888960␤»
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lue Here's some numbers, according to nqp: gist.github.com/lue/5ac4c5f0de421c96bf1e 22:58
BenGoldberg nqp: say(0d088888888888888801) 23:00
camelia nqp-jvm: OUTPUT«#␤# There is insufficient memory for the Java Runtime Environment to continue.␤# pthread_getattr_np␤# An error report file with more information is saved as:␤# /home/p6eval/hs_err_pid25668.log␤»
..nqp-{moarvm,parrot}: OUTPUT«88888888888888800␤»
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lizmat good *, #perl6! 23:07
yoleaux 19:16Z <moritz> lizmat: I'm unable to fudge those failing S17 tests, the TODO markers seem to end up on unrelated tests; any idea what to do, except removing them from t/spectest.data?
lizmat moritz: if this is about S17-supply/uniq.t, that started segfaulting recently and is probably related to changes in Moar / nqp 23:08
that one I haven't seen segafult with spesh disabled
S17-supply/delay|stable are long standing problems that I want jnthn to have a look at when he has time again 23:09
the reason they probably can't be fudged easily, is that they use "tap_ok", which is good for 5 tests
1. we must tell the fudger that tap_ok is 5 tests (how?) 23:10
2. when marking as "todo" we should be marking only some of the tests in tap_ok as todo
(how?)
ingy PerlJam: ping
lizmat ideas / suggestions /comments welcome
TimToady: saw the change Application -> Universal/Systemic, will look at it either tomorrow night, or at the hackathon 23:11
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ingy PerlJam: since btyler is gone, try this: `git hub upgrade; git hub search perl6` => gist.github.com/0fe5f65fe7ff02a7b8e1 23:17
lizmat sleep& 23:23
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TimToady lizmat: you're basically saying you want the ability to fudge .pm files as well as .t files, have a fudged .t file call the similarly fudged .pm file (to enable 2), and have any #?DOES from the .pm file propagate back to the .t file (to enable 1) 23:43
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