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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
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timotimo m: class A { has $.x is rw }; my @b = A.new xx 5; @b>>.x >>=<< 1, 2, 3, 4, 5; say @b.perl 00:08
camelia WARNINGS for <tmp>:
Useless use of constant integer 2 in sink context (lines 1, 1)
Useless use of constant integer 4 in sink context (lines 1, 1)
Useless use of constant integer 3 in sink context (lines 1, 1)
Useless use of constant integer 5 …
timotimo m: class A { has $.x is rw }; my @b = A.new xx 5; @b>>.x >>=<< (1, 2, 3, 4, 5); say @b.perl
camelia [A.new(x => 1), A.new(x => 2), A.new(x => 3), A.new(x => 4), A.new(x => 5)]
timotimo m: class A { has $.x is rw }; my @b = A.new xx 5; @b>>.x Z= (1, 2, 3, 4, 5); say @b.perl
camelia [A.new(x => 1), A.new(x => 2), A.new(x => 3), A.new(x => 4), A.new(x => 5)]
Geth doc: b4bfba13c3 | cfa++ | doc/Language/grammars.pod6
Remove some trailing whitespace.
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/grammars
doc: 124b498f2e | cfa++ | 2 files
Document quoted list LTMs.

Also document a trap to cover <foo> vs. < foo> within regexes.
Refs #1857.
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buggable New CPAN upload: Terminal-Getpass-0.0.6.tar.gz by TITSUKI cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/T/TI/...0.6.tar.gz 00:21
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vcv +++ to whoever wrote the docs for X::AdHoc (docs.perl6.org/type/X::AdHoc) 00:51
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cfa vcv: looks like moritz 00:58
evening all
vcv I forgot to have my exceptions inherit from Exception and the docs quickly explained why. 00:59
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Geth doc: d47bb0bd24 | cfa++ | 4 files
Make 5to6 links more descriptive now that the guides are titled.

Add a bit of C<> markup.		 02:09
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titsuki_ m: "🇩🇪".subst(/<[\x00..\x1ffff]>/,"",:g).say 03:56
camelia 🇩🇪
titsuki_ bisectable: "🇩🇪".subst(/<[\x00..\x1ffff]>/,"",:g).say
bisectable6 titsuki_, Bisecting by output (old=2015.12 new=9532e9c) because on both starting points the exit code is 0
titsuki_, bisect log: gist.github.com/4f2295206c78d904b2...89b19fb57f
titsuki_, (2016-08-13) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/fe...6ea1491268
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titsuki_ RT #128550 04:04
synopsebot RT#128550 [resolved]: rt.perl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=128550 [@LARRY] <[a..z]> ranges break grapheme awareness
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titsuki_ Is this a bug? Some of the emoji characters don't work on github.com/perl6-community-modules/URI-Encode 04:11
this range representation doesn't match 🇩🇪: github.com/perl6-community-modules...de.pm6#L24 04:13
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titsuki_ m: "🇩🇪".ords.map(*.fmt("%x")).say 04:16
camelia (1f1e9 1f1ea)
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mudman O/ 05:23
Excuse my big head...
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mudman At the top of the NQP::Grammar, method TOP calls ‘define_slang’ on itself (as does Rakudo’s Grammar) 05:27
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mudman … both are HLL::Grammars but define_slang is defined in the NQPMatchRole (done by NQPMatch class). 05:31
How do the grammars get access to define_slang (and the other cursor related methods) that early on?
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titsuki_ m: say "n\x[308]\x[30]\x[30]" ~~ /n\x[308]/ 07:43
camelia ｢n̈｣
titsuki_ m: say "n\x[308]\x[308]\x[30]" ~~ /n\x[308]/
camelia Nil
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u-ou m: (1 ... *).map({ 2 ** -$_ })[^10].say 07:46
camelia (0.5 0.25 0.125 0.0625 0.03125 0.015625 0.007813 0.003906 0.001953 0.000977)
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u-ou does perl6 have a zipWith? 07:48
m: zip qw(a b c), (1 ... *)
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Undeclared routines:
a used at line 1
b used at line 1
c used at line 1
qw used at line 1
u-ou m: zip qw/a b c/, (1 ... *) 07:49
camelia WARNINGS for <tmp>:
Useless use of "zip qw/a b c/, (1 ... *)" in expression "zip qw/a b c/, (1 ... *)" in sink context (line 1)
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u-ou m: say zip qw/a b c/, (1 ... *) 07:49
camelia ((a 1) (b 2) (c 3))
titsuki_ m; say <a, b, c> Z (1..*)
u-ou aha!
titsuki_ m: say <a, b, c> Z (1..*) 07:50
camelia ((a, 1) (b, 2) (c 3))
titsuki_ u-ou: you can use Z
u-ou forgot about Z. thanks =)
I'm sure there was a zipWith operator
just can't remember it
hmm, does .. produce lazy lists? 07:51
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u-ou m: .say for <a b c> 07:52
camelia a
b
c
titsuki_ m: my \s = (1..*) Z (1..*); say s[^10] 07:55
camelia ((1 1) (2 2) (3 3) (4 4) (5 5) (6 6) (7 7) (8 8) (9 9) (10 10))
u-ou ok cool
titsuki_ I'm not sure but it seems it does
u-ou I see you can use Z as a meta operator like Z+ to add values but is there some way to do that with a function call?
1 Z&{ say $^x, $^y } 2 07:57
m: 1 Z&{ say $^x, $^y } 2
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Strange text after block (missing semicolon or comma?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 031 Z&{ say $^x, $^y }7⏏5 2
expecting any of:
infix
infix stopper
statement end
…
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donpdonp 'Default constructor for 'Str' only takes named arguments' okay but docs.perl6.org/type/Str doesnt seem to show any constructors 07:59
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titsuki_ m: my sub infix:<あ>($a, $b) { $a + $b }; my \s = (1..*) Z[あ] (1..*); say s[^10] 08:00
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titsuki_ u-ou: I think you can define an user-defined infix subroutine. 08:02
u-ou ah
thanks
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u-ou I still think Z&{ ... } would be a good language feature ;) 08:03
or Z&foo, etc.
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titsuki_ m: my \s = (1..*) Z[&(sub infix($a,$b) { $a + $b })] (1..*); say s[^10] 08:09
camelia (2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20)
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AlexDaniel` You can also use zip with :with 08:14
u-ou ooh 08:15
m: say zip((1), (1), :with)
camelia Unexpected named argument 'with' passed
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
AlexDaniel` Hmmm...
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u-ou :O 08:17
titsuki_ m: say zip(<1 2 3>,<1 2 3>,:with(* + *)); 08:18
camelia (2 4 6)
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u-ou ahh! 08:18
AlexDaniel` m: say zip((1,), (1,), with => &min)
camelia (1)
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u-ou ok, i have what i want now lol :0 08:19
s/0/) 08:20
AlexDaniel` /
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robertle what does Hash actually use to hash the key string? I would like to build some similar hash-like sharding construct and need some way to turn a string into a number. I can of course use some actual hash or crc, but there must be something built into the string, right? just can't find it... 09:14
AlexDaniel robertle: .WHICH 09:16
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robertle AlexDaniel: not sure I understand... 09:18
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AlexDaniel robertle: well, I'm a bit busy atm, I hope someone else can give a full answer. But here are some docs: docs.perl6.org/routine/WHICH 09:19
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lizmat robertle: object hashes 09:19
docs.perl6.org/type/Hash#index-ent...bject_hash
AlexDaniel lizmat: thinking about it, I guess we're both not answering the question 09:20
“some way to turn a string into a number”
do we even have that?
robertle I basically understand ValueObjAt (I think), and that I can use objects as hash keys, but I need some way to turn a string key into something numeric so I can do a modulo operation of some sort on it. I want to shard entries to different objects....
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lizmat perhaps you're looking for .classify ? 09:21
robertle but perhaps there simply isn't such a thing, which isn't a problem. can easily be built over the rods of the string...
lizmat docs.perl6.org/routine/classify
robertle ords that is 09:22
lizmat you need to write how you take things apart, though
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robertle String::CRC32 might be just my thing! 09:25
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Geth doc: Tyil++ created pull request #1859:
Update META6.json documentation to include "api" field		 10:05
tyil thanks geth 10:06
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pmurias samcv: nqp::encode and nqp::encoderep are permissive by default? 10:40
samcv pmurias: well basically only windows-1252 and windows-1251. i'm certain latin1 10:41
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samcv but nqp::encodeconf and nqp::encoderepconf are default strict. with 6.d the one byte encodings will become strict by default. also notable is that nqp::decoderep needs strict for it to be able to replace anything 10:44
decoderep is new in the last week or so
plus the *conf ones. but decoderep didnt exist at all. the other are just variations on the previous ones 10:45
pmurias: i'm heading to bed, if you have more questions i'll reply when I wakeup 10:46
night all o/
pmurias: also see description here. github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/commit/314c523fe 10:47
nn
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buggable New CPAN upload: Test-SourceFiles-0.0.1.tar.gz by SAMGWISE cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/S/SA/...0.1.tar.gz 11:01
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aldaco hello i'm a beginner perl language and i'v just installed perl 5. Now that i know abaut perl 6 i wander if 6 version eliminates that 5 version. thanks 11:08
tyil Perl 5 is older and seems to have more widespread use, Perl 6 is still busy taking off in that regard. 11:09
pmurias samcv: thanks
tyil I don't think you'll have to worry about Perl 5 fading out of existence any time soon
aldaco thank you every body 11:10
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masak I can see why a question like aldaco's feels like a "oh no, it's more like this" in the Perl 6 world/bubble, but feels more like a latent threat for p5ers. 12:11
El_Che masak: and for perl 6 as in "why are there more modules/jobs/... for the older version than for the new one"? 12:12
masak (but the question of renaming/rebranding doesn't interest me in the slightest)
El_Che you're more of the philosopher type :)
masak I think in retrospect we can all agree that, yeah, it was unfortunate to just call it "the next major version" and to use the same language name. I'm curious if it *could* have been handled in a better way (while still calling it Perl 6). 12:13
I mean, even Python 3, a much more modest language change, has had its definite challenges along the way. 12:14
El_Che but that *was* the next version
even if some people didn't liek it
like
masak well, so was Perl 6.
El_Che not by the time it was out 12:15
masak we are in agreement.
El_Che when it stated, it was certainly the right choice to call it 6
as time kept slipping away, the Perl wasn't the part but the version locking of wat whas the stable version 12:16
when runtime and language diverted and something was out, Perl was out of vogue
[Coke] AlexDaniel: are you saying he didn't know? pretty sure I saw the email go out to him. 12:19
AlexDaniel [Coke]: yes, yesterday he clearly said that he doesn't know
[Coke] Email was sent to his address 4 days ago. 12:21
El_Che jj? he didn't know who his manager was
[Coke] Yes. he was notified 4 days ago. 12:22
Have him check his spam filter, I guess.
El_Che something go lost, I'll ping him when I see him
[Coke] I responded to the email, maybe that'll help bring it back to his inbox. Thank you, El_Che 12:24
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Geth doc: Tyil++ created pull request #1860:
Add reference to vim-perl6 in the unicode_entry page		 12:40
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tbrowder_ hi all 13:12
zef doesn’t show a “—/cache” option that i can see, but i see a module that usses it apparently without error. am i just not seeing it 13:14
?
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tbrowder_ hm, maybe that’s a “plugin”... 13:16
[Coke] tbrowder_: what's the full command using cache? 13:18
I think each subcommand has its own valid opts. I don't see it in my zef help output either, btw.
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cfa wakes 13:27
morning all
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[Coke] El_Che: he got it 13:38
El_Che good! 13:39
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El_Che dat random blocking begint wat te belachelijk te worden 13:40
(als het dit is) 13:41
split dns is ook iets louche
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El_Che oops 13:42
ignore the dutch :)
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Herby_ tyil: I just saw your tutorial write-up. It looks outstanding. I'll be walking through it today. 13:45
Zoffix .tell tyil your article is potentially confusing ( www.tyil.nl/tutorials/perl6-introd...ogramming/ ). It says "After this, the bins exposed by Perl 6 need to be updated: `rakudobrew rehash`". That's just a quirk of rakudobrew. It's the only time rakudobrew is mentioned in the article, and it is a piece of software that's actively being discouraged due to its deficiencies and isn't 13:46
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to tyil.
Zoffix used by most users. You also end the article by saying $PATH needs to be rehashed in most shells.. Isn't that the glitch of rakudobrew too? I don't need to rehash anything in bash and I don't use rakudobrew.
.tell tyil used by most users. You also end the article by saying $PATH needs to be rehashed in most shells.. Isn't that the glitch of rakudobrew too? I don't need to rehash anything in bash and I don't use rakudobrew. 13:47
yoleaux Zoffix: I'll pass your message to tyil.
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eater m: if False { enum Ha ( no => "ye" ); }; say no.value; 13:52
camelia ye
eater hahah
Zoffix `enum` is `our` by default. 13:53
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eater yeah 13:54
I understand why this happens
Zoffix And it's installed at compile time (and so doesn't care that the condition is False)
eater but it's still pretty funny
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Zoffix s: 0e0, 'rand', \() 13:55
SourceBaby Zoffix, Something's wrong: ␤ERR: Unhandled exception: Missing or wrong version of dependency 'src/Perl6/Grammar.nqp' (from 'gen/moar/main.nqp')␤ at <unknown>:1 (/home/zoffix/services/sourceable/building-perl6/perl6.moarvm:<dependencies+deserialize>)␤
eater heh
Zoffix Weird. Despite it's working fine when I invoke the command manually. Something got busted it seems
eater environment variables? 13:56
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jkramer Zoffix: I'm using IRC::Client for a bot and it seems to randomly stop PONGing to PINGs leading to ping timeouts. The bot is still running and there's nothing in the debug output indicating a problem, it's just not in the channel anymore 13:58
Did you experience a similar problem and is there anything I can do about it?
Zoffix jkramer: yeah, I experienced it but never had time to debug it. Looks like github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-IRC-Cl.../issues/40 and is mentioned in github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-IRC-Cl.../issues/50 14:01
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jkramer Hmm too bad :( 14:03
tyil Zoffix: that rakudobrew part is because its used in the tutorial before it that installs Perl 6 (using rakudobrew)
yoleaux 13:46Z <Zoffix> tyil: your article is potentially confusing ( www.tyil.nl/tutorials/perl6-introd...ogramming/ ). It says "After this, the bins exposed by Perl 6 need to be updated: `rakudobrew rehash`". That's just a quirk of rakudobrew. It's the only time rakudobrew is mentioned in the article, and it is a piece of software that's actively being discouraged due to its deficiencies and isn't
13:47Z <Zoffix> tyil: used by most users. You also end the article by saying $PATH needs to be rehashed in most shells.. Isn't that the glitch of rakudobrew too? I don't need to rehash anything in bash and I don't use rakudobrew.
tyil also, rehashing is simply a thing shells sometimes need when you add something to $PATH, some shells these days dont require it anymore, but better be safe than sorry I guess
Zoffix jkramer: possible first step in debugging would be sticking `CATCH { default { warn $_; warn .backtrace } }` in some of the async places. Maybe there's an exception being thrown that's being silently ignored. 14:04
tyil Zoffix: I could add a note saying you'll need the rakudobrew rehash part only if you installed using rakudobrew as used in <previous article> 14:05
El_Che tyil: I am been using unix shells for +20y and I have never rehashed my shell except for apps like rakudobrew and the similar tool for perl 5
except if by rehash you mean sourcing 14:06
tyil no, by rehash I mean `rehash` or `hash -r` depending on the shell
might be that I'm wrong, I just prefer to add that part so I can be sure everything is ok 14:07
El_Che tyil: times that I have done that on Solaris, AIX and Linux: 0
must be running a linux desktop from around 1999
Zoffix tyil: why tell people to install rakudobrew in the first place? It's buggy, by default it installs minimally tested dev commits instead of releases, it causes awful paths in default USAGE messages in all Perl 6 scripts, and you have to reinstall modules each time you upgrade. 14:08
And you have to `rakudobrew rehash` each time you install binaries :) 14:09
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Zoffix (FWIW, there are third-party instructions to create a bash alias for updating to latest release (and no rehashing/module reinstallation needed): github.com/zoffixznet/r#table-of-contents ); (rakudo.org will also gonna be updated in 0-3 weeks to include more comprehensive and easier-to-navigate installation instructions: perl6.org:4242/files ) 14:11
tyil Zoffix: because it used to be reasonably popular from my experience, and for most people it's (seems) easier than cloning source and compiling that
eater time to make our own rakudobrew with blackjack and hookers 14:12
rakudown
tyil eater: late to the party
rakudup or something already exists
tbrowder_ [Coke]: the command is from Zoffix’s Toaster: zef —/cached —debug install $module —install-to=$dir 14:13
eater lol 14:14
tbrowder_ note “—/cached”, not “—/cache”
evalable6 —/cachedFalse
tyil eater: when r we gonna do a cool p6 project together :333
I did have plans for a querybuilder if you feel bored
Zoffix But you have to set it up first, just as you have to setup the alias. So if we assume that part is equivalent, then the alternatives are far easier. You either *just* have to type `update-perl6` once in a while to fetch latest version. Or you (1) have to find out what's the current latest release if you don't want to risk severe bugs; (2) have to know to type correct installation command including correct
backend and release number; (3) re-install the modules you want to use; (4) run `rakudobrew rehash` to update binary shims; (5) repeat this entire process any time you want to upgrade.
tbrowder_ eater: o/
Zoffix I'm not buying the "it's easier to use rakudobrew" argument at all. 14:15
moritz it's easy to get started with, and then you get entangled in all of its warts
tyil Zoffix: to the "average" user, the idea to "get this tool and tell it to install" is easier to sell than "now lets compile from source manually"
Zoffix tyil: but you're not compiling anything.
eater tbrowder_: \o
Zoffix tyil: you run `update-perl6`. That's all there is to it. 14:16
eater anyway, anyone know how I get const's from header files inside Perl 6
I'm afraid this has to be done in the VM 14:17
tyil I am aware, I'm using such a script myself, but if I look at the alias in your repo, it sure as hell looks more daunting than a simple git clone, init, build
if there were up-to-date builds in distro repos the issues would be resolved altogether, tbh
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eater mfw VoidLinux has that 14:18
tyil tfw gentoo seems to have dropped their outdated perl6 builds and now has none :( 14:19
I should get back to maintaining those ebuilds myself
Zoffix tyil: the alias is a copy-pasteable set of commands. Yours have `$` in them and have to be copied individually. Yours also follow by a set of additional commands and advice to follow notices, while the alias is all done. You're also ignoring entirely that your instruction build a minimally tested random development commit rather than a stable release. That has the potential for the user to get extremely broken 14:24
perl6 that in a rare circumstance could have a system-damaging bug. Yet, you don't even mention that fact in your tutorial and if you had, you'd have a lot more instructions for finding the latest stable release and specifying its version. Lastly, the user is forced to reinstall all modules on each upgrade and has to run a rakudobrew command after installing any binaries—the caveat you were even forced to
mention in another article. None of that is needed with the alias or the copy-pasteable instructions that build latest star. Seems to me saying that rakudobrew's usage is less daunting is intellectually dishonest.
And IMO it's irresponsible to tell unaware users to install development versions of software using a discouraged tool.
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tyil I'm being called dishonest for trying my best to make Perl 6 articles to promote it :/ 14:26
the real issue to me is still that there's no straightforward, user-friendly way to get a recent Perl 6 installed on their machines
eater then... solve that problem? 14:27
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tyil calling me dishonest for not going with your personal favorite solution sounds pretty silly 14:28
eater: I'm willing to solve it for the distro I'm using, Funtoo (and by extend, Gentoo)
eater ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:29
I just want to know how I get constants from headers inside perl 6
the answer is most likely, via the VM :(
tyil but calling people dishonest simply for not going with <your favourite solution> to a problem sounds pretty toxic to me
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sjn tyil: Zoffix said your claim is intellectually dishonest, not you. :) 14:30
tyil I could update the older article to refer to zoffix's solution and lay out pros/cons and update the current article as well
but tbh, I feel very little reason to update it with his solution atm
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eater tbf 14:31
tyil sjn: constructive feedback generally works better than calling people and claims dishonest because you disagree
eater this whole discussion is useless
sjn tyil: wether or not you're dishonest is too early to decide; you might still accept the feedback & critique and improve your text based on this :)
buggable New CPAN upload: ANTLR4-Grammar-0.0.3.tar.gz by JGOFF cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/J/JG/...0.3.tar.gz
Herby_ tyil: I can't speak to all the correctness of your tutorial since I don't really understand the language, but I do really appreciate the time you took to write it 14:32
tyil I honestly have very little interest in adding his idea to the problem now
Herby_ I think p6 is sorely lacking in user-friendly tutorials
tyil sjn: I'll consider updating it later, but I can't guarantee it'll be using his solution
Herby_: thanks :) 14:33
if I find other interesting things to do in Perl 6 which are viable as a tutorial for beginners I'll try to write more
El_Che tyil: add gentoo support to my pkgs in the meantime?
tyil El_Che: Gentoo uses ebuilds to compile from source
El_Che tyil: I know, that's why I haven't added them 14:34
cfa tyil: did you want to add 'optionally' in that vim-perl6 pr?
if not, i'll merge once the build's finished
tyil El_Che: I'm not sure I follow you in "gentoo support for my packages" then, sorry
El_Che tyil: my other pkgs are built with fpm. Solution is adding gentoo support to fpm or provide an alternative gentoo build script 14:35
sjn tyil: no worries, man. you've got the up-to-date info here, we'd all appreciate it if you used it, even if you're unsure about it (also, it's kinda sad to produce a tutorial that is outdated the moment it is published :-\ )
El_Che tyil: github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg/
tyil sjn: the tutorial is actually over two months old, I just wanted to be sure App::Assixt was stable enough to be used in it
cfa: what de you mean? 14:36
El_Che: yes, I'm using those in my .travis.yml files already, though I don't think I have experience with fpm
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tyil I'll look in to it 14:37
tyil puts it on the todo-list
cfa tyil: there's one comment that i think you might have overlooked
it got tucked away as outdated, which is likely user error on my part
El_Che tyil: I am very short in time, to add it my self. The first version of alpine packages were created without fpm (it had a bugg), though
tyil cfa: ah, I see it now, I missed that one 14:38
cfa yeah it was folded away for some reason
tyil probably because the block the comment was on got updated, so its considered outdated and gets folded away
El_Che: everyone is short on time :(
El_Che tyil: I have setup and account on jfrogg to set repos, but haven't been able to 14:39
tyil cfa: I'll add the "optionally" in the perl6/doc PR
cfa ta
El_Che tyil: yeah, I know. The combination of full time IT job, non-IT phd and kids is bad for sleep :)
cfa (fwiw, i don't use the abbrevs)
tyil El_Che: I'm glad I don't have kids then, I'm already out of time :p 14:40
cfa: thanks for the review :>
El_Che tyil: the biggest time percentage, probably :)
tyil the only kids I like are those of others, since you can just put them back at their parent's place when they started producing too much noise 14:41
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robertle for my own understanding: the problem some distros have with the packaging is that the pre-compiled perl6 modules installed on a system somewhat depend on the version of rakudo? so if you upgrade rakudo you have to do something to re-compile these already installed modules? 14:41
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cfa tyil: oops, one more 14:42
just sent
tyil oh
that's quite a big one actually :p 14:43
also, I've seen parts where people use spaces around the |, and parts where they dont
is there a consensus on what *should* be used throughout the docs?
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cfa i'll defer that to moritz and [Coke] 14:44
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Ulti /win 5 14:46
buggable Ulti, Thank you for entering Accidental /win Lottery! The next draw will happen in 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 13 minutes, and 58 seconds
Ulti wah
tyil hehe
Ulti its only me in that lotto
tyil I use the much shorter /b
I'll never win :(
Ulti I mean I could just use alt+5 and avoid this problem 14:47
Geth doc/master: 6 commits pushed by (Patrick Spek)++, cfa++
tyil thanks cfa :>
cfa sure, thanks for contributing this 14:48
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Zoffix tyil: my point wasn't in using my alias, but in not using rakudobrew. Instead of linking to the alias, I'd recommend you link to perl6.org/downloads/ that way the users will get the best "officially supported" options. 14:59
(that page will see some improvements in a month or two)
tyil I'll see what I'll do, I don't really feel like updating it after your recent comments 15:00
eater m: constant A = %( :B(10.rand.ceiling) ); enum C ( A ); say B ~ '=' ~ B.value;
camelia B=3
eater :D
Zoffix m: my \A = %( :B(10.rand.ceiling) ); enum C (A); 15:02
camelia ===SORRY!===
Cannot find method 'List' on object of type Mu
Zoffix filed as R#1637 15:03
synopsebot R#1637 [open]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/1637 [LTA] LTA error with enums made out of non-compile-time set var
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cfa tyil: re: your change, i was thinking it might be nice to also list standard digraph bindings for common operators 15:04
tyil that could be useful
cfa i mean, they're discoverable but vim spews a _lot_ of digraphs out
tyil yeah, we only need the ones that can be used in Perl 6 15:05
cfa and stuff like ^K1s and ^K1S aren't abbreved, i think
(sub and super)
tyil seems not, no 15:06
we can probably add a table like we have in the docs to show all unicode ops and texas ops, and just add a column to show vim digraphs
cfa that'd be nice, yeah 15:07
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tyil should we extend the existing table, or add one in the input page and have a column for equivalent combinations in other editors 15:08
cfa it should probably live in this 'entering unicode' section; people using other editors don't need to see vim digraph info 15:10
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vcv Has anyone had success using the Linenoise module with a version of the linenoise lib that supports unicode and/or colors? Or know of a good alternative? 15:16
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pmurias .tell Zoffix installing rakudobrew feels less daunting, not sure why but the command you copy and paste being too long might be an issue 15:24
yoleaux pmurias: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.
pmurias .tell and I suppose I have an expecation for long config stuff I paste into a bash profile to cause problems while I expect *brew stuff to work 15:26
yoleaux pmurias: I'll pass your message to and.
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Zoffix pmurias: the original discussion was about installation of **perl6** using the alias vs. rakudobrew being daunting. 15:30
yoleaux 15:24Z <pmurias> Zoffix: installing rakudobrew feels less daunting, not sure why but the command you copy and paste being too long might be an issue
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Zoffix What difference does it make if installing rakudobrew itself is a shorter command if you have to type have a dozen other commands to get proper installation of perl6? 15:31
s/have a/half a/; 15:33
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Zoffix And considering you have to type a rakudobrew command after each installation of binaries, the rakudobrew setup gets more daunting the longer you have it installed. 15:33
And considering you have to re-install all modules on upgrade, rakudobrew setup gets even more more daunting the longer you use perl6 15:35
[Coke] wonders if it would be possible to update rakudobrew to address the issues. 15:37
mst rakudobrew is (a) a giant hack (b) specifically designed for people *developing* perl6 15:38
for that purpose it's potentially rather useful
if you're *using* perl6 it's completely the wrong design
cfa the name's rather confusing for people using perlbrew
because it'll be thought of as an analogue
Zoffix People just ignore that you're installing a random dev commit and ignore that you have to rehash binaries and then go "oh look, it's so easy!". Oh yeah, but then let's find bugs caused by rakudobrew and blame rakudo for them ( R#926 ), and have users be confused when they didn't rehash and couldn't find binaries ( irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2018-01-19#i_15711027 ) and then keep talking about how daunting
synopsebot R#926 [closed]: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/926 Usage replace $*PROG-NAME with literal “command”
Zoffix all the alternatives even when offered much simpler alternatives
ZofBot: RAGE!
ZofBot Zoffix, had to go to the dentist and have two of my molars out
mst well, perlbrew is mostly for people writing cpan modules who need to test against multiple perls 15:39
Zoffix mst: it isn't even useful for devs, now that we have committable6 bots letting us eval on different commits
mst normal perl5 users shouldn't be using perlbrew most of the time either
[Coke] mst: ? For me, perlbrew is for machines where I want to install a perl and not worry about system perl.
cfa +1
and test on multiple versions
mst [Coke]: that's plenv or Perl::Build 15:40
using perlbrew for deployment is 100% insane
[Coke] mst: never heard of either of those before just now.
mst I regularly fix production systems by ripping perlbrew out
cfa yeah, i'm not talking about deployment really 15:41
pmurias Zoffix: re instructions doesn't github.com/zoffixznet/r#linux install the latest commmit too?
mst [Coke]: well you're not even in #perl anymore - if you cut yourself off from the community and don't ask questions, you may end up with 'copy and paste from stack overflow' quality solutions :) 15:42
cfa i guess my point is perlbrew is a go to tool for installing a local modern perl without fuss; rakudobrew's name suggests it'll do the same
[Coke] Neither am I, really. personal use on hosts where I need a perl tool.
cfa it seems a bit unfair to blame users of the tool for associated warts
especially as the advice to stop using rakudobrew is fairly recent
[Coke] mst: I've never been a regular there.
mst if nobody's really using rakudbrew for its original purpose 15:43
I would suggest it wouldn't be a terrible idea to say "stuff this" and write a "rakudobrew 2" that shares only the name
and does what people who're trying to use it are expecting to get
[Coke] Anyway, now that I know about plenv, I can check that out. but the plenv vs. perlbrew info in the plenv project doesn't really give a compelling use case for when you'd pick one over the other.
cfa mst: agree
mst: rakduobrew should probably be for switching between release versions
Zoffix pmurias: that was just outdated description text. The command itself installs latest release 15:44
.seen pmichaud 15:46
yoleaux I saw pmichaud 7 Mar 2018 19:20Z in #perl6: <pmichaud> tadzik! \o/
pmurias Zoffix: how installing Perl 6 feels is super important to getting people to try it 15:49
for Rust they have something like this: www.rustup.rs/
Zoffix pmurias: and is entirely pointless if the installed version is broken or worse, damages user's system.,
pmurias: we have `curl rakudup.github.io/rakudup -s | bash` 15:50
pmurias Zoffix: yes, I'm not arguing that we should keep using rakudobrew when it's causing trouble 15:51
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pmurias the rakudup.github.io/ page doesn't look like the best thing to point people towards 15:54
Zoffix pmurias: agreed. 15:55
pmurias why is rakudup not called rakudoup 15:58
?
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Zoffix Sounds better? :) 15:59
rakup is even better
ZofBot: more betterer 16:00
ZofBot Zoffix, t line 8 in block <unit> at t/08-sorted-keys
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pmurias feels like a triggered snowflake every time he notices the missing o from rakudup 16:04
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moritz has no idea how a triggered snowflake feels 16:08
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MasterDuke pmurias: in github.com/perl6/roast/commit/3e03...4912813de, shouldn't that be `todo rakudo.js`? 16:33
oops, `rakudo.js todo`
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MasterDuke it's now a passed todo for regular rakudo 16:35
jkramer Which bot does relay messages to people that are not here again? 16:36
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ilmari .tell jkramer about yoleaux 16:37
yoleaux ilmari: I'll pass your message to jkramer.
jkramer Thanks!
yoleaux 16:37Z <ilmari> jkramer: about yoleaux
jkramer :)
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pmurias MasterDuke: it fails on all 32bit backends but I guess skipping it on rakudo.js is better 16:39
jkramer .tell Zoffix I looked into the PING thing a bit and I suspect something gets buffered/stuck somewhere in a socket or Supply, either the PONG in the socket doesn't get flushed or maybe the PING gets buffered in the incoming Supply somehow, but I don't have time to look further
yoleaux jkramer: I'll pass your message to Zoffix.
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AlexDaniel El_Che: re “The combination of full time IT job, non-IT phd and kids is bad for sleep”: maybe you'll like this thingie! github.com/AlexDaniel/orgsleep 16:45
El_Che AlexDaniel: an now I have to move to emacs. I'll add it to the list :) 16:47
AlexDaniel El_Che: well, actually it doesn't really matter as long as you save timestamps somewhere 16:48
El_Che: you can then reformat it to look like this and feed it into the script: raw.githubusercontent.com/AlexDani.../sleep.org
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AlexDaniel (this is actually what I did for entries that have “=> 0:00” duration, they were recorded elsewhere) 16:49
El_Che AlexDaniel: my tactic is long shortages and then a few long sleep :) 16:50
AlexDaniel El_Che: IIRC according to this data this tactic tends to increase the average time sleeping per day
Zoffix jkramer: you don't need to `.tell` messages to me. Just address them to me `Zoffix, ...`. ZofBot delivers them to me. 16:51
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pmurias after the merge rakudo.js passes 75.97% of roast 16:51
AlexDaniel \o/
jkramer Alright :)
AlexDaniel pmurias++ 16:52
wait but what was the number before merge? :)
pmurias AlexDaniel: not sure, spectests on roast takes a long time so I mostly rerun tests I work on 16:53
(and I was using an old roast before the merge)
Zoffix jkramer: I wonder if the extra pings get lost in the $leftovers github.com/zoffixznet/perl6-IRC-Cl...t.pm6#L210 They probably shouldn't since the grammar parses all complete events, but implementations are very lax with following the RFCs, so I wonder if the sent PINGs got extra stuff in 'em that prevent full parsing or something 16:56
|7d hack on IRC::Client tickets
ZofBot Zoffix, Will remind you on 2018-03-28T12:56:43.507388-04:00 about hack on IRC::Client tickets
Zoffix About time to knock down the bugs in that module. Gonna try to fix the ping stuff too :)
pmurias AlexDaniel: and I know have a bunch of regressions to fix after the merge 16:57
AlexDaniel o yey that's gonna be so nice
Zoffix++
pmurias++ too, of course :)
El_Che pmurias: how does the js version compares in speed the the moarvm rakudo? 16:58
Herby_ pmurias: that's awesome 17:00
jkramer Zoffix: Good point, I'll add some more debug-prints for that case. But just now I had an interesting new development. :) The bot was watching itself timing out. It dumped the PING to stdout but didn't react, then it dumped the messages from the IRC server about itself being disconnected due to a ping timeout :) 17:02
Zoffix heh
jkramer But that might be a different issue, it happened for the first time now. The times before it didn't dump a PING in the log or, if it did, it also sent a PONG. 17:03
Oh wait that probably happened because of some debug code I added. :) 17:05
[Coke] pmurias: perl Configure.pl --gen-moar --backends=js # fails on the JS branch, looking for an nqp tag that doesn't exist.
... /me typed gen-moar of out habit.
but without it it dies earlier. 17:06
--gen-nqp --backends=js is what I meant to say, and it dies the same way 17:07
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[Coke] missing a push in nqp maybe? 17:08
pmurias [Coke]: I'll check what happens 17:13
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[Coke] pmurias: that's better. thanks. 17:17
pmurias El_Che: the speed for the js backend currently sucks hard 17:19
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pmurias El_Che: I didn't optimize the code that's generated for Perl 6 code at all yet 17:20
El_Che: and for NQP I think changing the semantics a tiny bit could make huge speed ups
El_Che how is the speed enhanced in node? JIT? 17:21
pmurias El_Che: I don't understand the question 17:26
El_Che pmurias: node itself is fast. How wonder how they got it so fast 17:27
[Coke] make: *** No rule to make target `js-runner-default-install', needed by `install'. Stop.
pmurias make install is not supported yet :/ 17:28
El_Che: they use a JIT, with tons of effort by people who have been doing JITs for decades
[Coke] pmurias: I never typed make install; that's coming off the build.
nqp's make install?
off /the build/rakudo's Configure.pl step/ 17:29
El_Che pmurias: and can rakudo code eventually use that JIT or it's something restricted to javascript?
pmurias El_Che: it uses it, but there is a huge layer of inefficency because the code we generate is not optimal 17:30
El_Che I see, thanks for the info! 17:31
pmurias [Coke]: what's you Configure.pl invocation? 17:33
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pmurias [Coke]: thank you for spotting the issue, I managed to reproduce it and it dependend on the the order of backends passed to --backends= 17:41
[Coke]: I have to leave now, but I'll fix it when I'm back home 17:42
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[Coke] pmurias: I had js,moar; tried it the othere way, getting further, thanks! 17:46
I am happy to be your idiot for the purposes of testing. :)
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Geth doc: eeae4da112 | (Patrick Spek)++ | doc/Language/modules.pod6
Add section on the 'api' field
 17:56
synopsebot Link: doc.perl6.org/language/modules
doc: 11f2221778 | (Patrick Spek)++ | 23 files
Merge branch 'master' into update-meta6-with-api
doc: 02345db853 | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Language/modules.pod6
Merge pull request #1859 from Tyil/update-meta6-with-api

Update META6.json documentation to include "api" field Thanks! :-)
tyil :D
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lucasb I installed p6doc with zef. While testing it, it emits some errors because the thing is not a git repo 18:01
like: fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount point /)
I guess it's because of this file which is included in test files: github.com/perl6/doc/blob/master/l...-Files.pm6
Shouldn't it have a more cleaner testing process? Any way to get rid of the git execution while installing in user (not dev) environment? 18:02
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[Coke] Well, at least all the git ls files are now in one place. :| 18:18
if it's not a git repo, and/or it's not installed, I guess we just do the equivalent of 'file find', but it would require testing to know if that's going to test the right stuff. 18:19
in the meantime, it's safe for you to skip the doc tests; most of them are about the docs, not the p6doc tool 18:20
If you could, please open a ticket in the perl6/doc github issue queue noting that we are not zef friendly on testing.
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stmuk_ now with improved branding 18:22
rakudup.github.io/
Geth doc: 03a749dde2 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | 7 files
Skip most tests for non-author installations

Since we offer p6doc, this distro is also installed by users who want that tool. There's no reason to abort those installs just because someone used tabs in the text.
Skips all the author-related tests, including tests for helper utilities like Pod::Convenience.		 18:24
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Zoffix stmuk_++ great improvement 18:32
Is that DrForr in the background? :)
El_Che stmuk_: I don't get the comic sans joke 18:33
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[Coke] Zoffix++ test cleanup 18:38
Zoffix El_Che: it's a psychological trick. Once you look at something that ugly, even the worse Perl will look great :P 18:40
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stmuk_ Zoffix: hahaha he was probably there but that's virtualsue 18:41
Zoffix cleanses eyeballs with on-point typography on www.comicsanscriminal.com/
Oops :}
stmuk_ El_Che: its a joke stolen from OpenBSD
timotimo did they typo and? comics and criminal? :P
El_Che stmuk_: for me, an specimen of the population that didn't get the reference, it screams "this guy is clueless" or, worse, "he's half assing it on purpose". 18:42
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lichtkind how do i demand a list or array of ints in a sig? 18:52
thanks
stmuk_ ha the first link I try on www.comicsanscriminal.com/ is 404. Says it all really! 18:54
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Zoffix lichtkind: that's an abiguous question. Do you mean parametarized or just containing those objects? Also, int and Int are different things which do you mean? 18:58
lichtkind I thin Int is the normal data type not the low level int
and just containing
Zoffix stmuk_: there's this site that has a bunch of fonts (including free ones) www.dafont.com/ and you can you can use this site to create the CSS and things to embed a custom font on the site: www.fontsquirrel.com/tools/webfont-generator 18:59
lichtkind: (List where .all ~~ Int)
lichtkind: (List $ where .all ~~ Int)
lichtkind: (@foo where .all ~~ Int)
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lichtkind Zoffix thank you very much , i thought there are shortcuts for this 19:00
Zoffix lichtkind: second one would take any List (and Array/Slip are subclasses of List). The third one would take any Positional
lichtkind like [Int]
Zoffix lichtkind: that's for parametarized types. You can parametarize an Array, but not a List
lichtkind what does parameterize mean? 19:01
Zoffix lichtkind: so those would contain just Ints, but in addition you'd also have to create a parametarized type when passing to the array
lichtkind Zoffix, you mean only when i put a variable into the call not data? 19:03
Zoffix m: -> @ where .all ~~ Int {}([1, 2, 3])
camelia ( no output )
Zoffix m: -> Array[Int] where .all ~~ Int {}([1, 2, 3]) 19:04
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Cannot do non-typename cases of type_constraint yet
at <tmp>:1
------> 3-> Array[Int] where .all ~~ Int7⏏5 {}([1, 2, 3])
expecting any of:
infix stopper
Zoffix m: -> Array[Int] $ where .all ~~ Int {}([1, 2, 3])
camelia Type check failed in binding to parameter '<anon>'; expected Array[Int] but got Array ($[1, 2, 3])
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix ^ it fails even tho you gave it an Array with just Ints in it
m: -> Array[Int] $ where .all ~~ Int {}(Array[Int].new: 1, 2, 3)
camelia ( no output )
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Zoffix ^ you actually have to make a parametarized array to make it work. What "parametarized" means. Dunno there are some docs on it ( docs.perl6.org/language/objects#in...ized_Roles ). Basically, Array[Int] says it'll only contain Int stuff ahead of time, or something 19:05
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lichtkind Zoffix, thanks a lot becasue i start to write some serious code 19:05
i think i understood now 19:06
Zoffix m: class Foo {}; my Foo @a; @a[0] := 42
camelia Cannot resolve caller BIND-POS(Array[Foo]: Int, Int); none of these signatures match:
(Array:D $: int $pos, Foo \bindval, *%_)
(Array:D $: Int:D $pos, Foo \bindval, *%_)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Zoffix ^ if you try to use a different type there isn't even a method to bind it. The signatures for binding method are automatically typed even. 19:07
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Zoffix s/different type/not the type the array is parametarized with/; 19:07
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buggable New CPAN upload: Image-QRCode-0.0.1.tar.gz by FRITH cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/F/FR/...0.1.tar.gz 19:11
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[Coke] *parameterized 19:30
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buggable New CPAN upload: WebService-AWS-S3-0.0.2.tar.gz by BDUGGAN cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/B/BD/...0.2.tar.gz 19:31
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buggable New CPAN upload: Digest-SHA256-Native-0.03.tar.gz by BDUGGAN cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/B/BD/....03.tar.gz 19:41
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Geth ecosystem: a616c2778f | (Brian Duggan)++ | META.list
Move to cpan: Crypt-RSA, AWS-S3, and SHA256-Native

Moved these modules from the ecosystem to cpan: Crypt::RSA, Webservice::AWS::S3, Digest::SHA256::Native		 19:58
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Herby_ tyil: on the tutorial you posted, that top link for "tutorial to setup Perl 6 on pi..." links to nothing for me 20:09
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buggable New CPAN upload: ANTLR4-Grammar-0.1.0.tar.gz by JGOFF cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/J/JG/...1.0.tar.gz 20:11
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tyil Herby_: I'm omw home right now, let me take a peek 20:25
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tyil oh, I see it 20:25
I'll update it
thanks :>
link should be fixed now 20:28
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Herby_ tyil: that works now, thanks :) 21:05
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Herby_ m: say 12.rand.ceiling 21:09
camelia 4
Herby_ m: say 12.rand.ceiling
camelia 7
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Geth DBIish: danielgustafsson++ created pull request #118:
Fix PostgreSQL typos and outdated docs		 21:17
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Geth DBIish: 0786c8918d | (Daniel Gustafsson)++ (committed by Moritz Lenz) | README.pod
Fix incorrect spelling of PostgreSQL
 21:30
DBIish: f7ce95d221 | (Daniel Gustafsson)++ (committed by Moritz Lenz) | lib/DBDish/Pg.pm6
Update link to current PostgreSQL documentation

PostgreSQL 8.4 has been end-of-life since July 2014, point the
  link to the current version of the documentation instead.
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rindolf anyone else got link removal requests for pugscode dot org?
El_Che rindolf: it looks like taken over by a cheap scammer 21:33
www.myfavouritevouchercodes.co(dot)uk
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rindolf El_Che: i know 21:34
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El_Che it's weird the subdomains have original content 21:38
Herby_ timotimo: just used your GTK::Simple library for the first time. surprisingly easy :)
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Herby_ tyil: just finished your tutorial. it was very helpful for walking through a complete "project". thanks again for taking the time to write it 21:39
tyil Herby_: my pleasure ^_^
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Herby_ two minor bits of feedback: I wasn't able to get App::Assixt to install 21:40
tyil I might make another one in a project to proxy tweets from the perl6 news twitter to mastodon (since this is something I'd like to have anyway)
Herby_ and the code in "Creating the elements" section is a tad bit different than the final product
as far as the label names
tyil the latter one should be easy to fix
could you open an issue with the error you get when trying to install App::Assixt?
I'd be interested in solving that if possible 21:41
Herby_ sure. I'm a github rookie but I'll give it a shot
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tyil add a perl6 --version if you make an issue :> 21:41
Herby_ will do 21:42
tyil github.com/scriptkitties/perl6-App...ixt/issues that's the repo
I'm probably going to bed soon-ish, but I can probably look at it tomorrow 21:43
Herby_ sounds good, i'll work on getting it submitted
tyil thanks!
timotimo Herby_: to be honest, jnthn did the first bunch of work on it and i just continued the same way he started, and a lot of extra work was done by azawawi iirc, so i feel a little uneasy calling it mine :) 21:45
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Herby_ timotimo: well, you're contributing to a great module :) 21:47
timotimo i haven't touched it in a while either ;(
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tyil note: I'm getting "Invalid SSL certificate" on learningperl6.org 21:48
notable6 tyil, I cannot recognize this command. See wiki for some examples: github.com/perl6/whateverable/wiki/Notable
tyil woah
there's a bot for everything
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Herby_ tyil: if you ever consider tutorial requests, i'd like to read one on basic web scraping 21:51
probably some good fundamentals involved with that 21:52
tyil I'll put them on the list of ideas (which seems to only get longer by the week), but I can't guarantee anything to appear before the end of time
Herby_ understandable :) 21:54
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tyil Herby_: I can reproduce it in the docker container of rakudo star (which is a good thing in this case) 21:59
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Herby_ great! 22:02
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tyil Herby_: could I ask you to run `zef --force install zef` to ensure you're on the latest zef version? 22:04
Herby_ sure one sec
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Herby_ k. ran that command, and tried install App::Assixt again, errored out 22:09
tyil its test 6 that's failing, but it only fails on the Rakudo Star release, not my local installation (2018.02) 22:10
so I'll have to figure out why it's being a pain
Herby_ is there a way to confirm what version of Zef i'm using?
tyil zef info zef maybe? 22:11
not sure
lets downgrade my local perl6 to see if I can make it fail there too
Herby_ zef:ver<0.2.3>
El_Che it's weird zef doesn't hava a --version parameter 22:12
tyil the odd thing is the "error" it gives: t/06-deduce-parser.t .. All 4 subtests passed
it also plans 4, and all subtests have plans according to their amount of runs 22:13
prove -e "perl6 -Ilib" -v t also says everything is ok
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tyil ok, if I comment subtest 4 it passes properly, it complains subtest 4 has no plan, but I'm looking at it's plan rn 22:32
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tyil Herby_: got it :D 22:35
Herby_ figured out the mystery of the planned but not planned test?
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tyil there was a silly say statement that somehow broke tests it seems 22:37
Herby_ awesome. so should I try installing again? or wait 22:39
tyil this version works on my docker container with rakudo star, it's going through TravisCI on github, if it passes all that I'll release the new version on CPAN 22:40
so you should wait for a little 22:41
Herby_ sounds good 22:42
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tyil Uploaded Config:ver<1.3.4> to CPAN 22:49
so now all that's left is to wait
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buggable New CPAN upload: Config-1.3.4.tar.gz by TYIL cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/T/TY/...3.4.tar.gz 22:51
Herby_ probably telling you something you already know but I just tried installing it again and I got the same error. I can see Zef is trying to use Config-1.3.3 still 22:56
not sure how to incorporate the new Config-1.3.4
tyil yeah, it'll take a bit before zef gets the updated repo lists
Herby_ gotcha 22:57
tyil I'll head to bed now 22:58
hope the update works for you
good night :)
Herby_ awesome. thanks and good night!
buggable New CPAN upload: Net-LibIDN2-0.0.2.tar.gz by KAIEPI cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/K/KA/...0.2.tar.gz 23:01
Kaiepi \o/ 23:03
one more coming up
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buggable New CPAN upload: Net-LibIDN-0.0.1.tar.gz by KAIEPI cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/K/KA/...0.1.tar.gz 23:11
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Kaiepi that should be all the dependencies i need to get ported over before i can start porting Net::DNS 23:15
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