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hoelzro | safe travels lizmat | 00:43 | |
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dalek | ast/S26-WHY: c89e17c | (Rob Hoelz)++ | S26-documentation/why-leading.t: Name WHEREFORE tests |
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ast/S26-WHY: 9194bd1 | (Rob Hoelz)++ | S26-TODO: Notes? |
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ast/S26-WHY: dd2f54e | (Rob Hoelz)++ | S26-documentation/why-leading.t: Fix up WHEREFORE tests |
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dalek | rl6-bench: 998e4b5 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | analyze: Tune and simplify noise avoidance in analyze The previous formula was strangely complex (why use twice an arbitrary number as the threshold, instead of just doubling the arbitrary number and using that?) and also as jnthn++ discovered too conservative (still too much noise on some platforms). Drop the 2x multiplier and increase the min_time value by 10x for an effective 5x threshold increase overall. |
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dalek | ast: 5754fb2 | coke++ | S03-operators/bit.t: parrot fudge recent failure RT #122310 |
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synopsebot | Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=122310 | ||
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[Coke] | how can I fudge a throws_like? if one of the 2 sub tests fails, the test fails. if I todo the test, I get a todo passes. | 02:59 | |
(if you know the answer, please fudge the throws like for #114134 in S32-exceptions/misc.t for parrot only. :) | 03:00 | ||
synopsebot | Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=114134 | ||
dalek | ast: 7b94f55 | coke++ | S04-phasers/init.t: parrot fudge recent failure RT #122311 |
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synopsebot | Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=122311 | ||
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dalek | ast: 8032fc0 | coke++ | S06-routine-modifiers/lvalue-subroutines.t: parrot fudge recent failure RT #122313 |
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synopsebot | Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=122313 | ||
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[Coke] | It would be great if someone with a copy of rakudo.jvm could fudge the remaining test failures for the release coming up. (I cannot build rakudo.jvm... until I get my new 16G laptop, muahahahah) | 03:09 | |
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hoelzro | [Coke]: I'll give it a look | 03:40 | |
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hoelzro | [Coke]: umm...how exactly does one fudge test failures? =D | 03:42 | |
hoelzro looks at [Coke]'s commits | 03:46 | ||
dalek | ast/S26-WHY: 3e4bba0 | (Rob Hoelz)++ | S26-documentation/why-trailing.t: Add WHEREFORE tests for trailing comments |
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ast/S26-WHY: ac7bc2f | (Rob Hoelz)++ | S26-documentation/why-both.t: Add WHEREFORE tests to why-both |
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ast/S26-WHY: 55b8914 | (Rob Hoelz)++ | S26-documentation/why-both.t: Cover classes and methods for why-both |
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ast/S26-WHY: 8da43b1 | (Rob Hoelz)++ | S26-TODO: Remove WHEREFORE from TODO list |
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dalek | ast/S26-WHY: 8a378a1 | (Rob Hoelz)++ | S26-documentation/why- (3 files): Make sure trailing comments on parameters only affect that param |
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hoelzro | I see the test failures, but I don't know which I should fudge and which I should leave be | 04:22 | |
I'll ask again when the Europeans are up! | |||
dalek | rl6-bench: 36f0d5e | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | microbenchmarks.pl: Add int -> str conversion + non-constant concat tests This not only tests performance of int -> str conversion (a common operation), but allows the testing of concatenation with non-constant terms (because jnthn++ recently optimized the constant case, which is a valuable common case for users, but testing only the constant variant skews overall performance results). |
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masak | morning, #perl6 | 05:49 | |
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sergot | o/ | 06:10 | |
morning | |||
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Timbus | oh, shifting from an empty list is an exception in perl 6 | 06:17 | |
oh. okay, its just a fail object that i was mishandling. eh | 06:24 | ||
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dalek | rl6-bench: 1766bbb | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | microbenchmarks.pl: Add split_string_{constant,regex} tests Add tests for splitting a long string using a constant string and a simple regex. Also fix trim_string's work estimate to match the O(n**2) estimates used for the split tests. |
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liztormato has boarded and should see you all on the other side of the pond | 07:52 | ||
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sergot | m: say buf8.new("Ł".encode); | 08:13 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 9e15cc: OUTPUT«Buf:0x<c5 81>» | ||
sergot | m: say buf8.new("L".encode); | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 9e15cc: OUTPUT«Buf:0x<4c>» | ||
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moritz | m: say "Ł".perl | 08:36 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 9e15cc: OUTPUT«"Ł"» | ||
moritz | m: say "Ł".encode.perl | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 9e15cc: OUTPUT«utf8.new(197, 129)» | ||
moritz | m: say "Ł".encode | 08:37 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 9e15cc: OUTPUT«Buf:0x<c5 81>» | ||
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dalek | osystem: 752af38 | sergot++ | META.list: Encode added |
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ren1us | apparently if you run qqx{perl6} from the interpreter, it hangs so hard that even ctrl+C does nothing. | 10:04 | |
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moritz | well, it tries to read from STDIN | 10:08 | |
ren1us | i can see why it's misbehaving, but i feel like then going on to disregard what's essentially a de-facto kill signal in the original stdin is a bit much, even though that particular scenario is dirty in its own right | 10:10 | |
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moritz | ren1us: agreed | 10:51 | |
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eiro | hello #perl6 | 11:24 | |
moritz | eiro/ | 11:25 | |
masak | \eiro | 11:29 | |
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carlin | if a MoarVM change will affect how perl6 code works, should that be mentioned in rakudo's changelog? | 11:34 | |
specifically file creation operations now give default permissions of 0666 | |||
whereas in the previous release they were given something bizzare like 4777 | |||
masak thinks it should | |||
hoelzro | morning #perl6 | ||
masak | ahojelzro \o | 11:43 | |
carlin | github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/290/files # pull req updating ChangeLog | 11:46 | |
dalek | kudo/nom: b2e65d8 | Carlin++ | docs/ChangeLog: Update ChangeLog with DateTime and file changes DateTime.new was changed MoarVM change affects file creation permissions |
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kudo/nom: b62d3e9 | moritz++ | docs/ChangeLog: Merge pull request #290 from carbin/patch-1 Update ChangeLog with DateTime and file changes |
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timotimo | the changelog should say something about tr/// | 11:49 | |
masak | well volunteered! | ||
timotimo | not sure how to spell the change, though | 11:50 | |
carlin | moritz++ # thanks :) | ||
hoelzro | does fudging still need to be done for the JVM? | ||
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dalek | kudo/nom: 2cf53c7 | timo++ | docs/ChangeLog: mention tr/// by psch++ |
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eiro | is there a way to write something like "match as many <attr> as possible, no matter the LTM rule" ? | 11:52 | |
github.com/eiro/p6-lab/blob/master/sexml.p6 | |||
timotimo | please be more specific? | 11:53 | |
eiro | i'm working on this and the pb is <content>* can match the same than <attr>* | ||
(line 6) | |||
betterworld | maybe if you use "regex" instead of token and rule | ||
eiro | so my attributes are slurped in the <content> match | 11:54 | |
betterworld, worth :) because the :lang{fr} is slurped | 11:55 | ||
timotimo | token is like regex, except :ratchet, rule is like token except :sigspace | ||
eiro: maybe you want to have data have <!before ':'>? | |||
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eiro dive back in the doc. thanks for the clue, timotimo | 11:56 | ||
betterworld | timotimo: yeah, so without :ratchet there will be more backtracking, which seems to be what eiro asked for :) | 11:57 | |
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timotimo | that could help, aye | 11:57 | |
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eiro really have to understand backtracking control | 11:59 | ||
moritz | more backtracking is rarely the right answer | ||
the right answer is usually to factor out common prefixes into a single rule | 12:00 | ||
eiro | the problem here is that data can accept almost everything | 12:01 | |
(as prefix) | |||
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timotimo | except ':' :) | 12:02 | |
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moritz | so, <-[:]>* ? | 12:04 | |
timotimo | i think only the very first character mustn't be a : | 12:05 | |
moritz | or possibly <-[:]>*? | ||
or <-[:]>.*? | |||
timotimo | it seems like the data begins with [':' <ident>] % [\s+] | ||
er, i mean | 12:06 | ||
before the data, you want to match* | |||
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moritz | missing quantifier? | 12:08 | |
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moritz | on the LHR of the % | 12:08 | |
eiro | right! actually ':'\S | <-[:]> | ||
ooh... i'm reading the timotimo's subrule | 12:09 | ||
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masak | .u > | 12:18 | |
yoleaux | U+003E GREATER-THAN SIGN [Sm] (>) | ||
hoelzro | wow, spectests take a long time on the JVM | 12:21 | |
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sergot | .u ½ | 12:30 | |
yoleaux | U+00BD VULGAR FRACTION ONE HALF [No] (½) | ||
sergot | .u ¾ | ||
yoleaux | U+00BE VULGAR FRACTION THREE QUARTERS [No] (¾) | ||
jnthn | Those numbers. They're so tasteless. | 12:31 | |
hoelzro | is there any reason that GrammarHOW is not Documenting? I feel like a Grammar should also be able to have a WHY | 12:32 | |
jnthn | hoelzro: It is, by inheriting from ClassHOW, iirc. | 12:33 | |
masak | jnthn: you probably know this, but that sense of "vulgar" essentially means "common" ;) | ||
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timotimo | so "vulgar speech" is distasteful because it's used by the "common folk" who are, of course, plebian, uneducated and in general not to be spoken to except for by your underlings? | 12:34 | |
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jnthn | No shit. | 12:36 | |
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jnthn | Of course, by now I'm looking up the etymology of vulgar fraction... :) | 12:36 | |
arnsholt | In Latin, "vulgus" is "the crowd" or "the masses" =) | ||
jnthn | Ah... "Vulgar turned up first in English in the fourteenth century and then referred to something that was in common or general use or something customary or done as a matter of everyday practice. There was nothing disapproving about it." | 12:37 | |
timotimo | ah | ||
masak enjoyed blog.plover.com/prog/perl/barewords-setup.html and its follow-up | |||
jnthn | And wasn't until the 17th century it started to take on the other meaning. | 12:38 | |
masak | jnthn: similarly, a lot of plants have "vulgaris" in their name, not because they are bad, but because they are common. | ||
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Urgoster | perl6: say 3; | 12:39 | |
camelia | rakudo-jvm 2cf53c: OUTPUT«(timeout)» | 12:40 | |
..rakudo-{parrot,moar} 2cf53c, niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«3» | |||
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Ven | o/ | 12:42 | |
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hoelzro | jnthn: oh, really? | 12:52 | |
hmm | |||
oh, I think I understand why my documentating code doesn't work for it, then | |||
does nqp::getattr respect inheritance? | |||
timotimo | you always have to supply the class that initially declared the attribute | ||
thus, the answer is Mu :) | |||
hoelzro | ah ha | 12:53 | |
bummer | |||
but that's why my thing doesn't work for grammars | |||
timotimo | huh? | ||
jnthn | Why are you doing getattr? | 12:54 | |
timotimo | if you nqp::getattr($the_thing, ClassHOW, '$!why') should work even if $the_thing is a GrammarHOW | ||
hoelzro | hang on, I'll pull up the code | ||
jnthn | Don't violate encapsulation of meta-objects; add a method. | ||
timotimo | mhm | ||
hoelzro | github.com/hoelzro/rakudo/blob/S26....nqp#L2081 | 12:55 | |
hmm | |||
I'm sure this branch will undergo some rigorous criticism once I'm done with it =) | 12:56 | ||
timotimo | that'll just mean your next branch will be better :3 | ||
jnthn | yeah, add a method, don't getattr it | ||
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hoelzro | ok | 12:58 | |
I'll do that | |||
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Ven | should [] only accept operators that are monoids ? | 13:09 | |
(in [+], [*]. to have the monoid's zero element) | 13:10 | ||
m: say [//] 0, 1, 2; | 13:11 | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 2cf53c: OUTPUT«0» | ||
Ven | m: say [//] (); | ||
camelia | rakudo-moar 2cf53c: OUTPUT«(Any)» | ||
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Ven | Now I'm wondering. Is perl 6 a racket dialect, or is racket a perl 6 slang ? | 13:18 | |
.oO( #lang perl6, and now watch the world burn ) (sorry, I'm doing some racket macros/templates, and they look really cool, and I wonder in what sense could we bring them on for p6) |
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[Coke] sits on a presentation about AWS and wonders if we could be taking advantage. | 13:20 | ||
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timotimo | amazon web services? | 13:22 | |
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moritz | Awesome Web Shit? | 13:28 | |
masak | Applications With Snowmen? | 13:33 | |
jnthn | Asteroids With Snowmen? :) | 13:35 | |
moritz | Altruists With Swords? :-) | 13:36 | |
jnthn still counts the comet/snowman thing as one of his favorite Rakudo parsing bugs :) | |||
masak .oO( benefit humanity with your swords, altruists! ) | 13:38 | ||
Ven kinda WATs, but doesn't mind the snowmen | |||
ok, google was accurate | |||
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arnsholt | How did that parsing bug happen though? | 13:45 | |
Some kind of Unicode-bug, I suppose? | |||
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jnthn | I think so :) | 13:48 | |
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Ven | .oO( I've fixed so many bugs, I can't even remember what the snowmen did ) |
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masak | mostly the snowmen act as comic relief for the main plot with the two sisters. | 13:52 | |
srsly though, I don't think the snowman-comet parsing bug ever got an explanation. at least I never heard one. | 13:57 | ||
it also didn't really get a specific fix -- an older parsing engine just got swapped for a newer one. | |||
PerlJam | masak: let it go, man. Let it go. | ||
masak | :P | ||
carlin | it's one of things where you're better off not knowing | 13:58 | |
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masak | I dunno. at least it would have made for an interesting blog post :) | 13:59 | |
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muraiki | Ven: yeah, racket macros are really nice | 14:05 | |
here's a neat article about creating a text adventure DSL using syntax-rule: cacm.acm.org/magazines/2012/1/14480...t/fulltext | 14:07 | ||
Ven | s#langs :P | ||
PerlJam | Hmm ... that feels very familiar. | 14:08 | |
almost masakish. :) | |||
masak | ok, that piqued my interest. | 14:09 | |
masak looks | |||
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Ven | muraiki++ # helping me to get masak++ to get a look ;) | 14:16 | |
muraiki | :D | 14:17 | |
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hoelzro | I think the reason I avoided methods for my S26 stuff is I didn't want to "contaminate" the meta object API | 14:29 | |
is there a way to remove methods on meta objects before handing control over to the script/repl? | 14:30 | ||
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jnthn | hoelzro: That's the wrong way to see it. | 14:31 | |
hoelzro: The point of having a meta-object API is that you can programatically construct the things the compiler constructs. | |||
hoelzro | oh | 14:32 | |
I see | |||
that...makes a lot of sense, actually | |||
I wonder, then | |||
if instead of explicitly fixing the WHEREFORE for a WHY | |||
I should fix it in the WHY accessor | |||
because if a user were told, "oh yeah, you have to call obj.fix_wherefore", that would be kind of dumb. | 14:33 | ||
Ven | I can define a lazy function macro in racket in 7 lines. Let's try with p6 now .. | 14:34 | |
jnthn | I'm not intimately familiar with the problem you're working on, but it sounds like a better design to have it that way :) | ||
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hoelzro | jnthn: I'm just fixing up Rakudo to comply with S26 | 14:36 | |
Ven | Well, I'm not sure macros in their current state can do what I'd like them to, hmm. | 14:38 | |
PerlJam | Ven: careful ... you might accidentally volunteer to fix them ;) | 14:39 | |
Ven | PerlJam: I'd probably do it, if I were in holidays, and had more free time on my hands. | ||
well, I can write a `lazy` sub easily enough and `my &a =` it, but it's not really the same,. | 14:40 | ||
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FROGGS | everybody: please update the changelog if needed! today is release day | 15:32 | |
hoelzro | \o/ | 15:34 | |
FROGGS: do the upcoming changes to #= merit mention? | |||
FROGGS | hmmmm | ||
can we put it in when we know what happened to #=? :o) | 15:35 | ||
hoelzro | I'm hoping to have them ready for 2014.08 | ||
#= means "leading doc" at the moment | |||
it's changing to mean "trailing doc" | |||
"use #| if you want leading docs" | |||
FROGGS | let's do that when it is done, so ppl an play with it... okay? | 15:36 | |
PerlJam | that seems backwards to me btw. | ||
FROGGS | we usually do not mention upcoming changes | ||
PerlJam | at least huffman-wise | ||
(or maybe I just like #= more then #| :) | 15:37 | ||
carlin | japhb_ recommended a couple of days ago that it be mentioned in the changelogs as a deprecation warning | 15:38 | |
hoelzro | ok | 15:39 | |
FROGGS | is something already deprecated? | ||
hoelzro | someone recommended mentioning it a few days, so I thought I'd bring it up | ||
PerlJam | IF it generates a deprecation warning, that might deserve a mention. | 15:40 | |
FROGGS | because I don't like to announce something that might change a little due to upcoming discussions | ||
PerlJam | If it doesn't, then I'd save it to the next release | ||
(just MHO) | |||
FROGGS | PerlJam: mine too | ||
hoelzro | should we make it generate one for 2014.07? | 15:41 | |
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hoelzro | speaking of discussions, should I mention this on perl6-compilers? | 15:41 | |
PerlJam | hoelzro: first off ... how? The construct will still exist, just that its semantics will change. How do you "deprecate" semantics? | 15:42 | |
hoelzro | I always assumed it would be ok, since it would be updating Rakudo to be in line with the spec | ||
hmm | |||
good point | |||
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japhb_ | Re: #= deprecation, my concern was mostly that we've been using it and producing sample code with the current usage for a while. Which means that I suspect a fair number of people may have USAGE info that points to the wrong multis after the change, and that will surprise people. | 16:42 | |
(I know I will.) | |||
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wolfram_ | Please hlep me -- what perl version was it that changed the meaning of 'print(two + two == five ? "true" : "false")' in the 17th century? (irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2014-07-17#i_9038417) | 17:13 | |
huf | :D | 17:14 | |
wolfram_: wait, is that a serious question? | |||
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wolfram_ | Only if you can provide firsthand experience from that time :-) | 17:15 | |
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huf | i've been alive for millions of years dude | 17:16 | |
wolfram_ | (Couldn't resist to mogrify from useless lurker to useless contributor for that...) | 17:17 | |
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dalek | ast: 32ca69c | (Tobias Leich)++ | S32-io/IO-Socket-Async.t: mark flapping test as TODO |
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timotimo | dalek: that'll turn an OK/NOT OK test into an OK #TODO/NOT OK #TODO test | 17:28 | |
er... i meant FROGGS -^ | |||
is that an improvement? | |||
FROGGS | timotimo: the spectest does not fail now, so I'd say yes | 17:29 | |
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timotimo | OK | 17:29 | |
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timotimo | walk & | 17:32 | |
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[Coke] | TODOing flapping tests is not helpful. | 17:52 | |
also: do not fudge tests without a ticket if possible. | |||
masak | +1 | ||
maybe flapping tests should be isolated/quarantined into their own directory instead? | 17:53 | ||
[Coke] | here's why it's not helpful. what happens when this test passes for someone - shoudl they untodo it? | ||
How can they tell if it's fixed, or if it flapped? | |||
FROGGS | tadzik / moritz / colomon / xfix: github.com/tadzik/Bailador/pull/11 # please merge in case you have commit bit | ||
[Coke]: at least on my box that test passes like four times out of five, so one can see that there is something going on... | 17:55 | ||
what I don't like about skipping them (with a ticket), is that they just are ticketed and forgotten then | |||
TAP has no proper way to mark something flapping, so I am not sure what is better than TODO-ing it | 17:56 | ||
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dalek | ecs: 635fb4c | coke++ | S99-glossary.pod: Define "flap" |
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[Coke] | FROGGS: you leave it open, and mark it with a ticket. | ||
masak | FROGGS: we don't need to mark it up with TAP. we can mark it up any way we want. | ||
FROGGS | [Coke]: what do you mean by 'leave it open', what is 'it' in this sentence? | 17:58 | |
[Coke] | "ticketed and forgotten" - better to be ticketed and fudged and forgotten than just fudged and forgotten. (there are nearly 900 fudges for rakudo that are not ticketed, "unspecced", or "NYI" at the moment) | ||
do not fudge the test. | |||
either skip it, or leave it running. | 17:59 | ||
FROGGS | [Coke]: I will not release with failing spectests | ||
[Coke] | in either case, it needs a ticket. | ||
FROGGS | I am about to ticket it right now | ||
[Coke] | then skip it. I don't want a release with passing todos. | ||
FROGGS | k | ||
[Coke] | "all tests pass " >> "some todo'd tests pass" >> "any test failed" | 18:00 | |
Should continue to include "flap" somewhere in the fudge directive so it's not blindly auto-unfudged later. | 18:01 | ||
FROGGS++ | |||
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masak | consensus++ | 18:03 | |
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dalek | kudo-star-daily: 0cb7ef5 | coke++ | log/ (14 files): today (automated commit) |
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[Coke] | I see 21 JVM failures, 28 moar failures (you skipped bytes_suppy - echo server failed on the daily run today), and list/uniq aborted 26 tests. | 18:04 | |
there is one failure in parrot which is a leftover question I had from yesterday: how do you todo a -subtest- | 18:05 | ||
2 subests, one failing: todo the test, you get a todo passed; leave it alone, you get a failure. | |||
I hate to skip it, but it seems the cleanest answer. | 18:06 | ||
dalek | ast: 121df26 | (Tobias Leich)++ | S32-io/IO-Socket-Async.t: skip flapping test, see RT #122318 |
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synopsebot | Link: rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Displa...?id=122318 | ||
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FROGGS | okay, star-m also passes here | 18:10 | |
star-p seems problematic | |||
[Coke] | S32-io/IO-Socket-Async.t 4 - Echo server | 18:11 | |
S32-io/IO-Socket-Async.t 6 - bytes_supply | |||
S32-list/uniq.t aborted 26 test(s) | |||
those are the failures in the daily run, fwiw. | |||
FROGGS | yeah | ||
I've not seen these fails (except IO-Async #6) on my box | 18:12 | ||
[Coke] | (for moar) | ||
timotimo | i ended up not really walking much. instead i got to pet a kittehs tummeh | ||
FROGGS | timotimo: a what? | 18:13 | |
[Coke] | FROGGS: cutearoo.com/wp-content/uploads/201...itten5.jpg | 18:14 | |
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FROGGS | what is a tummeh? | 18:14 | |
[Coke] | "tummy" | 18:15 | |
masak guesses "stomach" | |||
nwc10 | I think tummeh is to ketteh as tummy is to kitten | ||
[Coke] | yes, that | ||
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FROGGS | ahh :o) | 18:18 | |
well yes, that's certainly better than walking :o) | |||
[Coke] needs to write a jabber bot, and wonders if he could finagle it to be in perl6. | 18:19 | ||
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huf | you mean welkehng? | 18:19 | |
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retupmoca | [Coke]: I have a Net::XMPP module that should handle the basics (theoretically), although it doesn't handle roster/contacts for you at all | 18:21 | |
[Coke]: I'd be happy to develop it more if you open issues for features/bugs | |||
it'll even support TLS as soon as I figure out how to upgrade a standard socket to a SSL/TLS connection | 18:22 | ||
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[Coke] | secure connection might be required; checking... | 18:30 | |
retupmoca | secure connection can be done if the server supports the old-style ssl connection in addition to STARTTLS | 18:31 | |
I just don't know how to do STARTTLS with the current OpenSSL bindings | |||
[Coke] | config.setSASLAuthenticationEnabled(true); // all the info I have at the moment. | ||
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retupmoca | sasl is separate from SSL | 18:41 | |
I think Net::XMPP only supports one SASL method right now, though | |||
don't know what methods your server supports | 18:42 | ||
[Coke] | me neither; I had a java bot that just connected and echo'd, that's dea now, need to figure out what happened. | 18:49 | |
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carlin | there are some failing tests in S32-temporal/local.t but they won't automatically run on most systems | 19:01 | |
FROGGS | m: say nqp::gethllsym('perl6', 'P6EX'); | 19:03 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 2cf53c: OUTPUT«("X::Assignment::RO" => sub (Any $typename = { ... }) { #`(Sub+{<anon>}|139948762856144) ... }, "X::ControlFlow::Return" => sub () { #`(Sub+{<anon>}|139948762855928) ... }, "X::Multi::Ambiguous" => sub (Any $dispatcher, @ambiguous) { #`(Sub+{<anon>}|139948…» | ||
FROGGS | p: say nqp::gethllsym('perl6', 'P6EX'); | ||
camelia | rakudo-parrot 2cf53c: OUTPUT«("X::Assignment::RO" => sub (Any $typename = { ... }) { #`(Sub+{<anon>}|1956344805137267409) ... }, "X::ControlFlow::Return" => sub () { #`(Sub+{<anon>}|1956344805143578829) ... }, "X::Multi::Ambiguous" => sub (Any $dispatcher, @ambiguous) { #`(Sub+{<ano…» | ||
FROGGS | hmmm.... | ||
[Coke] | carlin: thanks for the reminder. | 19:07 | |
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[Coke] | ah, that's not an env var, that's an evil hardcoded linux only hack. | 19:09 | |
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[Coke] | carlin - it would be nice if you could open a ticket reminding us to make those tests a little more amenable to actually getting run. | 19:11 | |
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[Coke] | .seen donaldh | 19:35 | |
yoleaux | I saw donaldh 4 Jul 2014 14:16Z in #perl6: * donaldh imagines some kind of temporal instability | ||
[Coke] | .ask donaldh - can you add some notes to the README for perl6-eclipse-plugin about how to install it in eclipse? | ||
yoleaux | [Coke]: I'll pass your message to donaldh. | ||
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[Coke] | retupmoca: do you support connecting via an http proxy? | 19:46 | |
retupmoca | [Coke]: Not directly; but you can pass in an already connected socket and it'll use that | 19:47 | |
[Coke]: If you're using a SOCKS proxy, there's a Net::SOCKS module I've built that you can use to make a socket to pass in | 19:48 | ||
vendethiel- | .seen pmichaud | 19:51 | |
yoleaux | I saw pmichaud 19 Jun 2014 22:06Z in #perl6: <pmichaud> moving there | ||
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retupmoca just realized he hasn't written any tests or docs for Net::XMPP | 20:03 | ||
I suppose that's the first thing I should improve | |||
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dalek | ast: 7ab6b34 | (David Warring [email@hidden.address] | integration/advent2011-day24.t: adding advent 2011 day 24 |
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dalek | ast: f271d8c | (David Warring [email@hidden.address] | integration/advent2011-day24.t: fixed TAP |
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TimToady | well, I am now allowed to read a little, so I can at least drop in and say "hi" | 20:39 | |
yoleaux | 11 Jul 2014 20:07Z <pippo> TimToady: I hope all goes well with your eyes. Best wishes. | ||
FROGGS | TimToady: hi :o) | 20:41 | |
masak | hi TimToady | ||
FROGGS | TimToady: did it went well? | ||
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TimToady | pretty well, I ended up with three different detachments, so they just riveted my retina all the way around, and it seems to be holding nicely | 20:43 | |
[Coke] | TimToady: Eye can't believe you didn't pun that up. | ||
TimToady | I see... | ||
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[Coke] | hugme: hug TimToady | 20:43 | |
hugme hugs TimToady | |||
FROGGS groans a little... but smiles | |||
TimToady | the only bad news is that I apparently have some nerve damage to part of my macula, which may or may not recover | 20:44 | |
FROGGS | eww | ||
that means your eyesight is LTA? | |||
timotimo | TimToady: o/ | 20:45 | |
hope you're getting better soon! | |||
TimToady | so I have a spot right below my fovea (as I view it) that's looks kind of like a leech, with its tail extending over to my optic disk where the nerve comes in | ||
FROGGS | or does that mean that it is exhausting to read/look? | ||
ahh | |||
TimToady | They told me not to read for the first week | ||
didn't want things sloshing around too much | |||
[Coke] | we can probably find an intern to ready you the backscroll... | 20:46 | |
jnap | best of luck TimToady, my best friend has been losing his eyesight for the past 10 years in drips and drabs, and all I ca say is that its great we live in an era of affordable large and bright monitors | ||
FROGGS | yeah... understandable | ||
TimToady | inside is currently about 70% gas and 30% water | ||
jnap: well, fortunately I still have a good eye too :) | |||
I think I'd still be able to read with the bad eye if I look below the line | 20:47 | ||
jnap | that will help, just is a nice excuse to always make other people drive | ||
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TimToady | but can't tell anything refractive currently, since air and water are so different | 20:47 | |
[Coke] | TimToady: OOOH, do you have an eye patch? | ||
TimToady | well, it's "air", with some percentage of perfluro propane | ||
I did the first few nights :) | 20:48 | ||
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TimToady | so, Aye!!! | 20:48 | |
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TimToady | jnap: well, actually, I like to dirve | 20:48 | |
er, drive | |||
TimToady blames his bad eye :) | |||
looks straight down is odd because it's sloshy | 20:49 | ||
since that's where the puddle is | |||
masak | tonight's little group theory fun: gist.github.com/masak/0c4496b90e2aebf98062 | 20:50 | |
TimToady | oh, and also my iris seems to be stick open for now, probably just overdid on the atropine, | ||
masak | I have a very weird effect wherein the last block in that gist doesn't seem to run. the rest works fine, though. | ||
TimToady | but the cool thing about is that I don't have PERL :) | ||
(Pupils Equal and Reactive to Light) | |||
dalek | kudo/nom: 2647500 | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/vm/parrot/guts/bind.c: [parrot] throw typed exeption X::TypeCheck::Binding Only JVM throws still an X::AdHoc. |
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FROGGS | PERL doesn't sound as if it was a bad thing | 20:53 | |
TimToady | it's a good thing, but I ain't got it at the moment | 20:54 | |
FROGGS | ahh | ||
TimToady | I think I got an extra dose of atropine because a different doctor looked at my eye earlier in the day of the surgery | 20:55 | |
so it might stay that way another week | |||
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TimToady | is likely to get better though, unlike the other neuropathy, which I deem to be permanent probably, but then I'll be happily surprised if it isn't :) | 20:56 | |
maybe I can be a guinea pig for retinal regeneration someday, which would be cool | 20:57 | ||
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segomos | what do you have? | 20:59 | |
or why were they looking at your eye? | |||
TimToady had two emergency eye surgeries last week | 21:00 | ||
multiply detached retina | |||
(no apparent cause, other than just my bad eye getting worse...) | |||
segomos | ouch | ||
was it repaired aside from the atropine OD? | 21:01 | ||
TimToady | they saved most of my retina, but the side effect of surgery is the blind spot below my fovea, about 8° high and about 20° wide | ||
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TimToady | could have been from any number of reasons | 21:02 | |
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TimToady | a yanked nerve either before or during reattachment, or a misfired laser shot, or blockage of a blood vessel, or just optical nerve damage from pressure variations | 21:03 | |
I'm sure the doctor can think of another ten or twenty possible reasons | |||
segomos | i had a guy that worked for me that had some kind of spindle problem and he sees a big floating "psychedelic spot" in the middle of his vision until that eye eventually goes blind. i hope your spot goes away, i know his causes him a lot of stress | ||
TimToady | mine is quite unlikely to get worse, since it's likely one-shot damage | 21:04 | |
they're actually more worried about my cornea now, since it greatly increases the chance of rejection of my transplant to have immune cells crawling all over the place, and my eye is obviously rather enflamed still | 21:05 | ||
segomos | sorry to hear, vision is the only good sensory item i have left :-( | ||
TimToady | er, inflamed | ||
segomos | how long did they say until it's gone? | 21:06 | |
or until they know | |||
huf | even if this all goes to shit and you end up a pirate, you'll still have one functioning eye, right? | ||
TimToady | until the inflammation is gone? it's already getting better | ||
but my cornea Dr wants me to keep putting steroids in my eye for a month | |||
segomos | right or left | ||
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TimToady | my right is the unlucky one | 21:07 | |
the left on has only had a cataract | |||
so now I've pretty much had something go wrong with every part of my right eye; I guess the rear of my eye was feeling left out, so it popped both the retina and optic nerve to catch up to the front of my eye | 21:08 | ||
masak | if anyone could confirm that the last block of gist.github.com/masak/0c4496b90e2aebf98062 indeed doesn't execute for them either, that'd help -- kthx | 21:09 | |
huf | you could still develop a rocky horror picture show midnight screening in the middle... | ||
that could be distracting | |||
TimToady | but the parts of my macula that didn't suffer nerve damage were also spared from the detachment, so I should have some fine vision on the upper side of my macula | ||
masak | I don't see why it wouldn't, but it doesn't here. or rather, it runs until the if statement, and then just disappears. | 21:10 | |
I think we have a runtime bug of some kind. | |||
TimToady | the detached parts still seem to have some vision too, though time will tell how much comes back | ||
well, I've probably overdone already for a first session of reading, so I'll go rest more, and find another audio book (just finish Citizen of the Galaxy by RAH) | 21:11 | ||
afk & | |||
segomos | masak: which p6? | 21:13 | |
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masak | segomos: gist.github.com/masak/0c4496b90e2aebf98062 | 21:15 | |
segomos | i've update yours, i ran it with moar and jvm | 21:16 | |
i updated your gist* with the output of both -m and -j | |||
masak | huh. | 21:17 | |
mine doesn't hang, it exits. | |||
segomos | i'm building most recent moar/jvm right now, i'm about 2 weeks behind i think | ||
masak | I'm on 2014.06-62-gc55942f. | 21:18 | |
m: say "you?" | |||
camelia | rakudo-moar 2cf53c: OUTPUT«you?» | ||
masak | ok, so I'm not on latest either. | ||
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segomos | 014.06-17-gf2060ea | 21:18 | |
masak | ok, by inserting print statements everywhere, I now conclude that the code just disappears somewhere in the innermost `for` loop in &isometric. it enters an iteration, but then just disappears into nothing. | 21:20 | |
I think I have a live bug here; I'll try to golf it. | |||
masak rebuilds his Rakudo first | 21:22 | ||
segomos | i'm still 'make'ing | 21:23 | |
masak | did we have a Rakudo release today? I haven't been following 100% -- maybe I missed when the release happened? | 21:24 | |
FROGGS? | 21:25 | ||
FROGGS | masak: it is today, aye | ||
masak | ah, but not released yet. | ||
FROGGS | I am trying to fix one last thing before cutting the release | ||
masak | ah; ok. | 21:26 | |
good news: the program runs much better on latest Rakudo :) | 21:27 | ||
I don't think it hangs -- it just runs for very long. | |||
segomos | how did you build so quickly? | 21:29 | |
or did you just do rakudo? | |||
masak | brand new laptop. SSD. :) | ||
no, all of it. I `git clean -xdf`'d first. | 21:30 | ||
segomos | ahh i have a macbook pro with ssd that is just slow i guess :) | ||
your switches are faster than mine | |||
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segomos | masak: what run time are you looking at? | 21:35 | |
masak | ooh, it finish'd. | ||
segomos | i've had one running for 4 or 5 minutes | ||
masak | yeah, it takes long. | ||
segomos | ok | ||
masak | there's an O(N!) in there. | ||
segomos | ah | 21:36 | |
masak runs again and times his | |||
anyway, everything works. najs. | |||
segomos | must optimize! | ||
masak | yeah -- suggestions welcome :) | ||
segomos | (kidding) | ||
masak | probably something can be improved in my algorithms. | ||
segomos | not really sure what this thing is doing | ||
masak | it's checking whether groups are isomorphic to each other. | 21:37 | |
segomos | i just didn't see any `rm` or `deltree` type stuff | ||
masak | it does so "the hard way". | ||
segomos | ahh ic | ||
dalek | kudo/nom: 1b01e7a | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/vm/jvm/runtime/org/perl6/rakudo/Binder.java: [jvm] throw typed exception X::TypeCheck::Binding That means we have this now on all backends. |
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masak | segomos: 8 minutes, 35 seconds. | 21:44 | |
segomos | i'm timing mine now too | 21:45 | |
masak | m: say [*] 2..8 | 21:55 | |
camelia | rakudo-moar 264750: OUTPUT«40320» | ||
masak | that's the number of iterations the second block runs. | ||
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segomos | 9:52 for me | 21:56 | |
masak | oh, better than I feared. | ||
segomos | i'm just impatient | 21:58 | |
masak | :) | 21:59 | |
segomos | wonder how well http::server::async works now | ||
dalek | kudo/nom: 960f2a2 | (Tobias Leich)++ | docs/ChangeLog: more changelogs entries for 2014.07 |
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kudo/nom: 18a496b | (Tobias Leich)++ | docs/ChangeLog: adjust wording of required parrot version |
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dalek | kudo/nom: df269df | (Tobias Leich)++ | docs/announce/2014.07.md: add announcement for 2014.07 |
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kudo/nom: 6a2ab39 | (Tobias Leich)++ | docs/release_guide.pod: move current release downwards |
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masak | \o/ | ||
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dalek | p: d181feb | (Tobias Leich)++ | / (2 files): bump VERSION to 2014.07 |
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thou | FROGGS++ # Thanks for the release! | 22:23 | |
FROGGS | not yet done :o) | ||
masak | it ain't over until the fat Wikipedia article sings. | ||
thou | :) | ||
Let's say I'm cheering, distractedly, from the sidelines. | 22:24 | ||
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masak cheers, too | 22:29 | ||
FROGGS: good luck with le release. | |||
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masak | 'night, #perl6 | 22:29 | |
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lizmat arrived in Portland uneventfully, rather differently from another flight leaving from Amsterdam around the same time :-( | 22:36 | ||
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timotimo | oh, the NativeCall bugfix that makes callbacks to different closures over the same code work properly is still missing on jvm and parrot, isn't it? | 22:43 | |
FROGGS | I know nothing about such a fix | 22:45 | |
timotimo | c511cb7 | 22:46 | |
github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/commit/c511cb7 | 22:47 | ||
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FROGGS | ahh, interesting | 22:48 | |
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dalek | kudo/nom: fb07f82 | (Tobias Leich)++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION: [release] bump NQP revision |
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dalek | kudo/nom: f24e0eb | (Tobias Leich)++ | VERSION: [release] bump VERSION |
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dalek | kudo/nom: 0aaba7e | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | t/spectest.data: Add some more advent tests |
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FROGGS | I am going to continue tomorrow with the release process, I do not want to make mistakes just because I almost fall asleep | 23:13 | |
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Guest20108 | Reading the backlog. I note that the conversation between Mäsak and jhntn is not for the vulgum pecus | 23:18 | |
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