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Set by moritz on 22 December 2015.
gfldex m: my %h = :foo; sub bar (%h2 is readonly) { say %h; %h2 := {}; say %h }; bar %h; say %h 00:02
camelia rakudo-moar 5a4963: OUTPUT«{foo => True}␤{foo => True}␤{foo => True}␤»
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gfldex m: class A { method WHAT { Any } }; say A.new.WHAT 00:08
camelia rakudo-moar 5a4963: OUTPUT«(A)␤»
gfldex i somehow feel that should warn 00:09
m: class A { method VAR { Any } }; say A.new.VAR
camelia rakudo-moar 5a4963: OUTPUT«A.new␤»
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dalek c: da20477 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/typesystem.pod:
doc reserved method names
 00:16
ZoffixLappy m: class A { method WHO { "foo" };method WHY { "foo" }; method WHICH { "foo" }; }; say .WHO, .WHY, .WHICH given A.new 00:20
camelia rakudo-moar 5a4963: OUTPUT«Afoofoo␤»
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ZoffixLappy huggable, Mu name :is: "M"ost "u"ndefined. Or philosophical: "The nothing from which everything proceeds" 00:49
huggable ZoffixLappy, Added Mu name as "M"ost "u"ndefined. Or philosophical: "The nothing from which everything proceeds"
ZoffixLappy www.bit.do/Perl6SOG <-- Damian's code examples from today's talk 00:58
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tbrowder please considee PR github.com/perl6/roast/pull/131 01:43
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timotimo tbrowder: i think you added a test without adding 1 to the plan in line 3 01:53
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tbrowder you are correct 01:57
timotimo i made that very mistake extremely often during my first months helping out 01:59
tbrowder fixed
thanks
Xliff just realizes it's foolish for him to complain about rakudo being slow because he's running it in a 32bit VM 02:04
*headdesk*
timotimo the jit can only help so much, though ... 02:08
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Xliff Yeah. I think the project I'm working on would benefit from the extra 2 cores, 64bit and hyperthreading which the VM doesn't have access to. 02:10
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timotimo 'k 02:13
timotimo goes to bed
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Xliff night tt 02:17
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fhorck question: i need some help with this script, it takes 1 CPU up to 99% and within a few minutes of running it is using 5GB of RAM. i suspect my infinite loop at the bottom is the culprit, but i can't figure out another idiom to keep execution within the react/whenever block: gist.github.com/anonymous/272ddad9...b0ea777bd5 04:17
this is my 1st "real" perl6 script i've written (for work), so i still have a lot of new idioms to learn (or unlearn from perl5), but so far i am loving perl6 04:19
ShimmerFairy fhorck: not that I know a single thing of concurrency in P6, but I'd be surprised if their wasn't some sort of method that would make waiting on something take just one line of code. (e.g. $thing.wait() or $thing.yield() or ...) 04:22
*there
fhorck i did scoure all of the perl6 roast S17-supply/*.t files for examples of how to use react/whenever with Proc::Async, but i didn't find any pattern or idiom like what i'm doing 04:24
jdv79 does it work though? 04:30
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jdv79 also whatsup with the weird color method names? 04:31
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ShimmerFairy jdv79: I guess github's highlighter highlights the methods that are typenames and also 'new' for whatever reason. 04:34
fhorck it does work, i just can't keep it running in the background for very long. and i augmented Str to add ANSI colors :P
ShimmerFairy oh, that kind of color :P 04:35
fhorck: hopefully you'll provide that augment as a module ;)
fhorck i should, Term::ANSIColor doesn't support 256 colors 04:36
ShimmerFairy fhorck: What if you wrote it as a while $loop-promise.status !~~ Planned { } ? What if you use a less intelligent matcher like !=== ? (or whichever is appropriate for enums) 04:37
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dj_goku so I wanted to write a really small NativeCall for getifaddrs() but not sure if I am going down the right path: gist.github.com/djgoku/2d12766f993...a01b8eb405 05:29
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brrt not sure dj_goku.. it seems you're defining a recursive structure, which ought to be impossible 05:55
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Roamer` dj_goku, I haven't actually tried the code yet, but IMHO the first member of the structure (ifa_next) ought to be some kind of native pointer to the next one, shouldn't it? 06:45
but I'll try now...
TEttinger .u horns 06:48
yoleaux U+1F608 SMILING FACE WITH HORNS [So] (😈)
TEttinger .u sign of the horns
yoleaux No characters found
TEttinger .u sign
yoleaux U+0023 NUMBER SIGN [Po] (#)
U+0024 DOLLAR SIGN [Sc] ($)
U+0025 PERCENT SIGN [Po] (%)
TEttinger hm
.u horn
yoleaux U+01A0 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH HORN [Lu] (Ơ)
U+01A1 LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH HORN [Ll] (ơ)
U+01AF LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH HORN [Lu] (Ư)
TEttinger hm
m: say "\c[SIGN OF THE HORNS]" 06:50
camelia rakudo-moar 5a4963: OUTPUT«🤘␤»
TEttinger odd
m: say "\C[SIGN OF THE HORNS]"
camelia rakudo-moar 5a4963: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unrecognized backslash sequence: '\C'␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say "\7⏏5C[SIGN OF THE HORNS]"␤ expecting any of:␤ argument list␤ double quotes␤ term␤»
TEttinger m: say "\c[SIGN OF THE HORNS]\c[SIGN OF THE HORNS]"
camelia rakudo-moar 5a4963: OUTPUT«🤘🤘␤»
TEttinger that isn't showing up for me, odd 06:51
I get a ?
it showed up at some point,and the cat faces and smiling with horns showed up
m: say "\c[SMILING FACE WITH HORNS]"
camelia rakudo-moar 5a4963: OUTPUT«😈␤»
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moritz likely character missing from font(s) 09:03
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Ulti Just built Rakudo and now get "Couldn't load Rakudo REPL.pm: MVMContext representation does not support elems" 09:58
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psch bisectable: use REPL; 09:59
grondilu got the same error, but the REPL carries on
psch ...is that not enough for bisectable? :|
huggable: bisectable
huggable psch, nothing found
grondilu oh wait: "Falling back to nqp REPL." 10:00
psch /o\
bisectable: use REPL; say 1
oh duh
bisect: use REPL; say 1
bisectable psch: no build for such “bad” revision. Right now the build process is in action, please try again later or specify some older “bad” commit (e.g. bad=HEAD~40)
psch bisect: bad=HEAD~1 use REPL; say 1 10:01
bisectable psch: no build for such “bad” revision. Right now the build process is in action, please try again later or specify some older “bad” commit (e.g. bad=HEAD~40)
psch just waits until it's finished building
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psch bisect: use REPL; say 1 10:22
bisectable psch: exit code is 1 on both starting points, bisecting by using the output
psch: (2015-12-25) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/07fecb5
psch well, that's probably wrong :S
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donaldh Hi, is "build from source" still the best advice for Linux distros? 10:55
donaldh is wanting to provide instructions to script users
moritz donaldh: yes 10:56
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donaldh It looks like debian has a rakudo package 10:57
iH2O has fedora a rakudo package? i just downloaded the latest version 3 days ago
i havent checked yet 10:58
oops the new mageia 6 version is available for download right today 29 June 10:59
gotta to check
conspiracy theory: i note that rakudo doesnt yet have the famous "goto", nor basic macros nor stream matching, so maybe the perl6 establishment wants perl6 to remain "cult" for a while longer 11:02
just sayin...
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iH2O though its rather conspicuous... 11:03
jast ./wi iH2O
whoops
no idea what happened there
DrForr_ It may have, but the last time I heard of anyone using rakudo star from a repository, it was so far out-of-date it couldn't handle "hello world".
jast repositories tend to be quite far behind in most distros, yeah
except the ones that like the bleeding edge
iH2O u just outconspired me jast 11:04
DrForr_ iH2O: Rakudo is missing features, yes, but macro syntax is still very much up in the air, and if you want to help out deciding what it could be, by all means join in and help. There's no "conspiracy", just work that hasn't been done yet. 11:05
jast I did? neat
iH2O :-P
psch goto is definitely ticketed on RT
well, i'm like 85% certain 11:06
iH2O we gotta to rehabilitate goto
psch patches welcome vOv
masak DrForr_: "couldn't handle 'hello world'" sounds... implausible. that must've worked even in old prototypes of Perl 6 from 2003 that went nowhere.
iH2O gotta get goto
DrForr_ No reason to invent Internet Conspiracies when a simple missing implementation is the case.
masak: Well, to be fair I think it was something to do with classes, but really about that level of triviality. 11:07
iH2O anything worth mentioning needs its conspiracy theories these days, doc
DrForr_ No. 11:08
iH2O O_O
nine
.oO(no need to find a simple reason, when a conspiracy theory does the job)
iH2O well said, why dont you post more often nine?
perl6 gotta to have its own culture, mysticism (which it already has), and ... conspiracy theories 11:10
psch what's our mysticism?
jast you wouldn't believe what Camelia gets up to when nobody is looking
world domination and all that
iH2O with names around like apocalypse its rather obvious psych :) 11:11
:) :)
Zoffix Well, we have 666 modules in the ecosystem and 1 user away from having 666 subscribers on Reddit... COINCIDENSE? I think not.
:)
psch oh, okay iH20
jast subscribed on reddit
Zoffix And our ecosystem is powered by Mojolicious..... guess what it's latest version is.... 6.66!
DrForr_ A conspiracy theory does nothing but give people an excuse to let {nobody|somebody else} do the work. 11:13
psch oooh, i need a conspiracy theory about why jvm module precomp doesn't work!
Zoffix Oh, wait, someone added 667th module—Shell::Capture—*phew* crisis averted. 11:14
iH2O folks, stop outconspiracizing me
nine Zoffix: you do know that 667 is the actual evil number? Popularization of 666 is only a conspiracy trying to distract from 667... 11:16
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psch off-by-ones everywhere /o\ 11:16
Zoffix heh 11:17
DrForr_ It *is* the Beast's next-door neighbor.
iH2O nine: 1st time i hear that
DrForr_ And it's actually 616 if you read the original text, 666 was a corrupted translation.
gregf_ *time to switch to catalyst* 11:24
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Ulti donaldh: debian has a reasonably recent package if you are on unstable or testing or whichever gets fairly bleed packages 11:34
Docker is not the worst idea if you are on a suitably futuristic Linux 11:35
tbrowder can someone give a short example of using the ast method on a match object? 11:37
DrForr_ $x.parse("text").ast 11:38
psch m: grammar G { token TOP { \d+ } }; class A { method TOP($/) { make $/ * 10 } }; say G.parse("1", :actions(A.new)).ast
camelia rakudo-moar 8ab6db: OUTPUT«10␤»
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tbrowder thank you DrForr and psch 11:40
DrForr_ I'd forgotten the :actions(...);... :( 11:41
psch m: grammar G { token TOP { $<nums>=\d+ { make $<nums> * 10 } } }; G.parse("1").ast.say
camelia rakudo-moar 8ab6db: OUTPUT«10␤»
psch well, you don't *need* them
m: grammar G { token TOP { $<nums>=\d+ { make $<nums> * 10 } } }; G.parse("1").say 11:42
camelia rakudo-moar 8ab6db: OUTPUT«｢1｣␤ nums => ｢1｣␤»
donaldh Ulti: thanks, though I'm not sure that the docker image is useful for anything other than the REPL or building a derived docker image that packages up a script.
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Ulti well you can just execute scripts so I dont see why not 11:45
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dalek c: 3029914 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | / (2 files):
::AssetPack is needed only when processing SASS
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donaldh Ulti: to run a script outside the container requires something like: docker run -ti -v `pwd`:`pwd` -w `pwd` rakudo-star perl6 ... 12:27
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dalek c: d290581 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | / (4 files):
Improve footer styles

Don't attempt to use fixed height footer, since content height can vary greatly, depending on the device. There's a way to muck around with table-* display properties for the entire page and sticky the variable-height footer to the bottom, but instead I chose to unsticky it.
Related to #645		 12:59
c: 21e3150 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Type/Range.pod:
improve examples
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c: 71b32c5 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | / (4 files):
Merge branch 'master' of github.com/perl6/doc
Roamer` OK, I seem to be missing something here, but how do I do a stat() on a file in Perl 6? I can get the mode things from IO.d, IO.f, etc, but how do I get the owner and group? 13:03
gfldex m: class A { method WHAT { "ain't gonna happen" } }; say A.new."WHAT"() 13:04
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«ain't gonna happen␤»
jkramer Is there any preference whether to use .pm6 or .pm for P6 modules? 13:07
dj_goku Roamer`: that is one of my questions too. so maybe `has Pointer[int] $.ifa_next? my other question is how do I declare the sub for getifaddrs() is native?
BrokenRobot jkramer: both will work, but .pm6 is preferred 13:08
jkramer: it makesit easier for tools to know it's Perl 6 and not Perl 5 and module loader will also try .pm6 first so you'll save a few microseconds of runtime :)
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jkramer BrokenRobot: Good, also my preferred version. I was just about to push my first module to github and looked at other ones, and .pm seems to be more popular 13:09
BrokenRobot So is Windows and pop music :) Doesn't mean it's good 13:10
dalek c: c4dbd5d | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/typesystem.pod:
add .WHO, .HOW and a way to work around reserved method names
BrokenRobot m: class A { method WHO { "blah" }; method HOW {"meow"} }; say .WHO, .HOW given A.new 13:12
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«APerl6::Metamodel::ClassHOW.new␤»
yanmc is there another mechanism for including code from other files than the module system?
BrokenRobot yanmc: EVAL-FILE may be 13:13
dalek c: b6eed52 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | / (2 files):
Prevent secondary nav overflow on mobiles

Related to #645		 13:16
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dalek c: 6a8604e | (Zoffix Znet)++ | / (2 files):
Improve navigation styles on mobile

Use more basic styling, since we don't know on how many lines the device renders the nav on.
Related to #645		 13:26
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dalek c: d1a4741 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | doc/Type/Range.pod:
Fix failing build
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dalek c: 625fdb7 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/list.pod:
doc shaped Arrays
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jkramer How can I make parameter switches or whatever they're called like :skip-empty in split? I guess it's some kind of Bool $:skip-empty, but without explicitly passing :skip-empty(True)? 13:56
moritz jkramer: they are called "named paramters" 13:57
jkramer: sub foo(:$skip-empty = False) { ... } # for example
the defualt value is optional
jkramer Yeah, that part I know. I mean how can I make it so I can call my sub just with foo(:skip-empty) instead of foo(:skip-empty(True))? 13:58
psch m: sub f(:$skip-empty) { if $skip-empty { say "skipping empty" } else { say "no skip" } }; f :skip-empty
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«skipping empty␤»
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skids m: say (:skip-empty).perl 13:59
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«:skip-empty␤»
skids m: say (:skip-empty).kv.perl
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«("skip-empty", Bool::True)␤»
timotimo :skip-empty is already syntax for :skip-empty(True) 14:00
jkramer Ha ok, seems easy enough. So it's automatically a Bool and True if it's given and False/default value if not?
timotimo and :!skip-empty is syntax for False
not False, undefined
jkramer Ok
Thanks!
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timotimo well, that is the default value 14:00
skids Unless the default is given as False
timotimo by default
psch m: say (:!foo).kv.perl 14:01
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«("foo", Bool::False)␤»
psch m: sub f(:$a) { say $a.perl }; f :!a
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«Bool::False␤»
skids m: sub f(:$a) { say $a.perl }; f
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«Any␤»
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skids thinks that part of the design worked out particularly nicely. 14:03
psch m: sub f(:$!) { }; say f 14:04
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
psch i still like that, the required anonymous named that doesn't have to be passed /o\
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yanmc echo '.precomp' >>.gitignore 14:09
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dalek c: a493a4b | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/typesystem.pod:
add reserved method names to index
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yanmc using : instead of ; 14:20
compiler is "Confused", not that useful, shouldn't it `expect' something? 14:21
m: use v6.c:
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Confused␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3use v6.c7⏏5:␤»
jkramer Hooray, my first module: github.com/jkramer/p6-Text-Wrap 14:23
And it's actually one from the wanted list
How do I get it listed on modules.perl6.org?
Ah nvm, it says it right there on the page :) 14:24
dj_goku any NativeCall users in here? trying to make calls to getifaddrs() but not sure where I am going wrong: gist.github.com/djgoku/2d12766f993...a01b8eb405
awwaiid dj_goku: what result do you get? 14:29
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awwaiid dj_goku: for ifa_name you should be able to use Str instead of CArray 14:32
wamba m: say 1 [&( * + * -1 )] 2 [&( * + * -1 )] 3 14:33
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«4␤»
awwaiid and for for ifa_next seems like it should be Ifaddrs or maybe Pointer[Ifaddrs]
wamba m: say [&( * + * -1 )] 1, 2, 3 14:34
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Two terms in a row␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say [&( * + * -1 )]7⏏5 1, 2, 3␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ postfix␤ statement end␤ statement m…»
awwaiid wamba: it thinks its an array. I don't know what the first one is though :) 14:36
psch well, the reduce form of an infix is usually [&...]
gfldex m: say (&( * + * -1 ))(1, 2) 14:37
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«2␤»
psch no, without the & actually
awwaiid m: [&(* + *)].perl.say
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«[{ ... }]␤»
wamba m: say 1 [&( * + * -1 )] 2 [&( * + * -1 )] 3
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«4␤»
psch m: say 1 + 2; say [+] 1, 2
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«3␤3␤»
psch but the infixified form of a prefix doesn't play along there i think 14:38
dalek osystem: 59ad094 | (Jonas Kramer)++ | META.list:
Add Text::Wrap to ecosystem

See github.com/jkramer/p6-Text-Wrap
osystem: 5ebff7a | Altai-man++ | META.list:
Merge pull request #222 from jkramer/patch-1

Add Text::Wrap to ecosystem
psch s/prefix/sub call/
wamba i can use [&( * + * -1 )] as infix, and try use it in reduce operator
psch m: say &infix:<+>(1, 2); say 1 [&infix:<+>] 2
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«3␤3␤»
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psch m: say [[&infix:<+>]] 1, 2 14:38
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«3␤»
jkramer \o/
psch ah, so it's more about the weird kind of infix you're building there i suppose
gfldex that wont work because meta operators are build at compile time when first used. They require a proper operator inside the meta operator. 14:39
psch m: my &foo = sub { $^a + $^b }; say [[&foo]] 1, 2
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«3␤»
wamba m: say [[&( * + * -1 )]] 1, 2, 3
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Two terms in a row␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3say [[&( * + * -1 )]]7⏏5 1, 2, 3␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ postfix␤ statement end␤ statement…»
dalek rl6-most-wanted: ff0a15e | (Jonas Kramer)++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Added link to WIP Text::Wrap.
rl6-most-wanted: ebf9bfe | Altai-man++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Merge pull request #33 from jkramer/patch-1

Added link to WIP Text::Wrap.
c: 2a000d2 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | assets/sass/style.scss:
Remove dead CSS
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c: 4932a10 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | / (6 files):
Make Tables of Contents Hide-able

Closes #217
psch m: my &foo; if rand < .5 { &foo = sub { $^a + $^b } } else { &foo = sub { $^a - $^b } }; say [[&foo]] 1, 2, 3
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«-4␤»
psch wamba: i'd probably declare the expr you want to reduce with in a Callable variable
wamba: that'd probably also help readability in the long term :)
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gfldex m: my sub infix:<foofix>{ $^a + $^b -1 }; say [foofix] 1, 2, 3 14:42
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«4␤» 14:43
wamba yes, of course but for one-liners, i would prefer using anonymous operator with reduce meta-operator
gfldex are there anonymous operators in Perl 6? 14:44
wamba gfldex: this works
m: say 1 [&( * + * -1 )] 2 [&( * + * -1 )] 3
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«4␤»
gfldex m: dd [&( * + * -1 )] 14:45
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«[{ ... }]␤»
gfldex that's just an Array with a block inside 14:46
psch no it's not, it's the infix form of an anonymous block
gfldex m: constant a := [&( * + * -1 )]; a.WHAT.say;
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«(Array)␤»
psch m: dd [&say]
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«[sub say (| is raw) { #`(Sub|48548600) ... }]␤»
psch yeah, that doesn't tell you that it's parsed differently as an infix
m: 1 [&say] 2 14:47
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«12␤»
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psch s/block/Callable/ # i guess 14:47
github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/....nqp#L3817 14:49
m: say '(' ~~ /<alpha>/
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
gfldex there are spec tests for &sub-name but not for other callables 14:50
psch ah, nvm, the <variable> is the spot that breaks the WhateverCode i guess
we could use them for the infix form at least i think
not sure if the reduce form of the anon Callable infix form should be a thing, though 14:51
dj_goku awwaiid: I updated the gist with the results at the bottom
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psch Perl6::Grammar seems to explicitely not look for that, but that might not mean much 14:51
oh, though...
dj_goku awwaiid: I really don't even know if my sub call to getifaddrs() is correct. 14:52
psch m: say {[[&:a]] 1, 2, 3}(a => &(* + * - 1))
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«4␤»
psch m: say {[[&^a]] 1, 2, 3}(&(* + * - 1))
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«4␤»
psch wamba: ^^^ that's your workaround i guess
TimToady that &() is kinda redundant
psch huh, yeah, it probably is 14:53
awwaiid dj_goku: interesting. looks ok, and doesn't crash at least. But I guess you're expecting ifa_name to get populated but the (Str) output indicate it is null
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wamba psch: thank you, 14:55
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dj_goku awwaiid: I have c code that works by using getifaddrs(). I thought this would be a simple thing to get my feet wet with NativeCall. 14:57
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dalek osystem: cba68b7 | Altai-man++ | META.list:
Add Text::Tabs to ecosystem.
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rl6-most-wanted: 900bfe6 | Altai-man++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Split Text::Wrap and Text::Tabs modules, add Text::Tabs implementation into the list.
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gregf_ m: say [&(* + *).^name, ->$x,$y { $x + $y }.^name].join("-") 15:08
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«WhateverCode-Block␤»
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awwaiid dj_goku: and similar C code you'd see the ifa_name set to something, ya? 15:19
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dj_goku: I wonder if it needs to be sub getifaddrs(Ifaddrs $arg is rw) is native('info') { * } 15:20
the 'is rw' will turn it into a pointer
dj_goku awwaiid: I updated the gist, it now has c code at the very bottom. 15:26
awwaiid: tried with is 'rw' didn't seem to make a difference
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dj_goku but yes ifa_name is set to something 15:27
awwaiid dj_goku: hm. so 'say $ifaddrs.ifa_name' still prints out (Str), eh? . Well I think the 'is rw' is probably better, but I don't know what to do next 15:28
dj_goku: I see you have "has Pointer[void]$.ifa_next;" -- does "has Pointer[Ifaddrs] $.ifa_next" or "has Ifaddrs $.ifa_next is rw" help maybe? 15:30
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dj_goku oh oh oh 15:32
has Ifaddrs $.ifa_next fixed it, but I swear I had that last night
awwaiid dj_goku: or maybe no Pointer / is rw at all, it might do it automatically
dalek rl6-most-wanted: 198137a | (Zoffix Znet)++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Remove WIPs that are already in the ecosystem

Closes github.com/perl6/ecosystem/issues/136		 15:33
awwaiid so it works now? maybe last night you were missing the 'is rw' on the sub getifaddrs
BrokenRobot Please don't add/keep WIPs in Most Wanted after they're listed in the ecosystem. When that happens they're already findable by any potential authors, so there's no need to bloat the Most Wanted list with them. 15:34
TimToady m: (once say 42) for 1..10 # wonder if we've seen this bug before...
camelia ( no output )
dalek rl6-most-wanted: 14289ea | (Zoffix Znet)++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Document the purpose of WIP tags
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grondilu oh I see nice colors in my Configure.pl output. Not sure if this is new or due to my new system 15:41
grondilu recently installed a new Debian-test VM 15:42
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d^_^b awwaiid: this is dj_goku too. i dont know ill have to double check tonight. a data structure came back then my home net ssh dropped 15:48
tbrowder please consider PR github.com/perl6/roast/pull/132 15:51
BrokenRobot tbrowder: skip needs the number of tests to skip (defaults to 1). And you need to update the plan too. Also, on line 153, the table was changed to r0c0 r0c1, but the test still tests for the old values (also the r0c0 doesn't have a hyphen the bug is about; not sure if that's on purpose) 15:56
Oh, Never mind the last comment. i get it now :) 15:57
daxim what's the equivalent of `cpanm --look Foo; perl Makefile.PL; make test` with panda? I just want to run the tests without installing
psch daxim: panda look; prove -e 'perl6 -I lib' t/* # or thereabouts 15:58
i'm not 100% sure prove takes -e for that
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psch well, and it also doesn't guarantee that you run any install-ish code there, but i think you usually don't need to, and if you do the modules README probably has something to say about that..? 15:59
BrokenRobot tbrowder: so line 189 should be skip 'desc', 10; and plan should be changed to... um... plan 50;
daxim thank you
awwaiid d^_^b: cool :) 16:00
BrokenRobot zef look Foo
.oO( trying to IRC over a ssh connection over a reaaaaly laggy network is a nightmare :( )
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ilmari BrokenRobot: try mosh
tbrowder BrokenRobot: check it now 16:03
BrokenRobot ilmari: neat thanks.
dj_goku awwaiid: so I can get all the interfaces! need to build out a socketaddr struct
awwaiid dj_goku: awesome! 16:04
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BrokenRobot tbrowder: I'm not sure if GitHub is glitching, but I'm not seeing the change to skip() (needs 10 added to skip 10 tests) and plan changed (I believe the new plan is 50 tests, not 40) 16:06
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BrokenRobot tbrowder: oh, sorry plan 51; and the skip on line 158 needs a count now too, it should be 3 16:10
With 100% course average for Calculus and Vectors, I sure suck at doing basic math :P
tbrowder okay, check it now
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BrokenRobot tbrowder++ merged. Thanks. 16:13
tbrowder yr welcome!!
notice my first use of a hyper operator for the last table test (Texas style), p6 is great! 16:15
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dalek c: 9256c86 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/operators.pod:
doc [&sub-name] form for meta ops
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BrokenRobot m: [&say] ^3 16:29
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«WARNINGS for <tmp>:␤Useless use of "^" in expression "[&say] ^3" in sink context (line 1)␤»
BrokenRobot m: sub plus { $^a + $^b }; say [&plus] 1, 2, 3;
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Two terms in a row␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3sub plus { $^a + $^b }; say [&plus]7⏏5 1, 2, 3;␤ expecting any of:␤ infix␤ infix stopper␤ postfix␤ statement end␤ …»
psch BrokenRobot: one more [] for the reduce form
BrokenRobot aH, NEEAT 16:30
psch m: [[&say]] ^3
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«01␤True2␤»
psch perfectly reasonable results too :)
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dalek c: 12b7637 | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/operators.pod:
reduction meta ops need another [] layer for sub refs
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gregf_ m: sub plus { $^a + $^b }; say [[&plus]] 1, 2, 3 16:55
camelia rakudo-moar 90d407: OUTPUT«6␤»
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dalek c: d7fe27a | (Wenzel P. P. Peppmeyer)++ | doc/Language/functions.pod:
doc infix form for subs
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kyclark Are there docs on POD in Perl 6? I assume there are differences from Perl 5. 17:13
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zostay kyclark: that would be an excellent document for someone to write ;) 17:18
afaik, this is the most authoritative there is: design.perl6.org/S26.html
moritz raw.githubusercontent.com/perl6/sp...tation.pod is the design document for Perl 6 Pod
its HTML rendering seems to be broken at the moment :(
zostay irony
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dj_goku awwaiid: trying to figure out a few perl 6 bits though. I'll likely share my knowledge! 17:24
awwaiid dj_goku++ # sharesies 17:25
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nine ugexe: ping 17:44
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dalek c: 36e4471 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | / (3 files):
Improve typography
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kyclark How can I use IO::Spec::catdir? Calling "catdir" or "IO::spec::catdir" gets me "Could not find symbol '&catdir'" 18:36
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nine kyclark: $*SPEC.catdir 18:37
dalek c: 5a57aee | (Zoffix Znet)++ | / (2 files):
Improve footer styles
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ugexe nine: here 18:39
also forgot to commit this: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/compare/n...xe:patch-7 18:40
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hoelzro jjjjjjj 18:43
sorry
nine ugexe: Ah, I wanted to ask you about github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/17...d8c34a9877
hoelzro my SSH session keeps locking up!
timotimo you know about return 18:45
er
and then ~. ?
ugexe nine: it appears to make sense, but I can't test yet 18:46
kyclark Thanks, nine. How could I find out more about that? I.e., how would one know to use $*SPEC?
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timotimo it's hard to tell people about return + ~. when that's how you kill your ssh session locally :D 18:50
moritz Zoffix: fwiw your last commit in the perl6/mu repo broke the rendering of pod6 design docs 18:51
Zoffix: it does "pod2html @*ARGS.shift", but pod2html doesn't expect a file name
I'd have to look it up, but I suspect it wants an actualy POD tree 18:52
BrokenRobot kyclark: it'll contain the OS-specific IO::Spec:: opbject
m: $*SPEC.^name.say
camelia rakudo-moar f43e3e: OUTPUT«IO::Spec::Unix␤»
BrokenRobot looks at what the latest commit to mu was...
nine BrokenRobot: I understood kyclark's question to be more about documentation 18:53
kyclark Right, just wondering where to find my tools that I use all the time.
nine kyclark: sorry, I'm not much of a Perl 6 user. Others are for sure more familiar with our docs
hoelzro timotimo: yeah, that's what I did
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nine ugexe: so what's the missing patch for? 18:54
BrokenRobot kyclark: sorry, I meant you can look up the appropriate type in the docs: docs.perl6.org/type/IO::Spec::Unix or maybe docs.perl6.org/type/IO::Spec
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kyclark Ah! I see "On object of this type is available via the variable $*SPEC if the perl is running on a Unix-like platform." 18:55
ugexe nine: for when you do `perl6 -e '$*REPO.whatever-cur.install(Distribution::Path($*CWD))` and the project in $*CWD doesn't have a bin or resources directory
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kyclark I'm loving load of Perl 6, but that seems like an odd design decision. It's odd that I can't "use IO::Spec 'catdir'" or something like that. Seems like voodoo to use this $*SPEC object/class/whatever. 18:57
dalek : 21d6bd7 | (Zoffix Znet)++ | util/update-design.perl6.org.sh:
Fix incorrect pod2html call

The function expects POD not a filename.
BrokenRobot moritz: that should fix it.
kyclark: you're not the only one :)
(who thinks that way) 18:58
moritz BrokenRobot: I don't think so
BrokenRobot: now you give pod2html a string, but it still expects a Pod *tree*
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BrokenRobot Oh, sorry. I should've looked at what it generated in the browser: temp.perl6.party/test.html 18:59
And I did think there were an awful many HTML escapes :P 19:00
nine ugexe: can you please submit a pull request? I'll hit merge as soon as I see it
BrokenRobot m: sub catdir { $*SPEC.catdir: @_ }; say catdir <foo bar ber>
camelia rakudo-moar f43e3e: OUTPUT«foo/bar/ber␤»
dalek : 9c9b68b | moritz++ | util/update-design.perl6.org.sh:
Extract POD tree; unbreaks S26 build.
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ugexe oh i thought i sent one, must be in the wrong branch
moritz BrokenRobot: I've pushed an incredibly hacky workaround
BrokenRobot kyclark: ^ that's not too off from use blah blah :) And I wouldn't be surprised if there's a module exporting that already in the ecosystem
moritz htmlify.p6 in the doc repo has a slightly less ugly way to get the POD tree
ugexe nine: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/806 19:02
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nine ugexe: thanks, merged 19:02
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BrokenRobot Cool. It works I guess. I think a proper fix would be to make Pod::To::HTML take a CSS file in a better way 19:04
ugexe nine: cool, thanks for getting all those other details taken care of
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nine ugexe: you're welcome :) 19:05
moritz design.perl6.org/S26.html is back to live 19:07
and the cool thing is that the complete build only took 13s
it used to be that parsing S26.pod alone took at least a minute, probably several minutes 19:08
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BrokenRobot Too bad the historical messages thing is not there 19:08
Which was the point of that mu stuff
Is it using an older Pod::To::HTML version? The one before the :css-file-blah option was added? 19:09
Hm,mm 19:10
moritz no
I think I forgot parens around the EVAL
BrokenRobot I was just thinking that.
m: sub foo ($, :$css ){ say $css }; foo EVAL "42", :css 19:11
camelia rakudo-moar f49a50: OUTPUT«(Any)␤»
nemo say. what's the state of CPAN in perl6? are you guys converting? is it semi-automated?
dalek : bafe575 | moritz++ | util/update-design.perl6.org.sh:
re-include historical message in S26 HTML output
BrokenRobot nemo: AFAIK there currently no available volunteers to do the work. 19:12
moritz nemo: we use the original cpan through Inline::Perl5
nemo gosh that sounds familiar
oh. huh. 'k
BrokenRobot Oh
nemo: nemo lagh
nemo he's kidding? 19:13
seemed plausible. embed perl5 interpreter, shuttle data
BrokenRobot nemo: I thought you were asking about our CPAN6 module infrastructure that'll replace the current github system
nemo BrokenRobot: nope. just that major perl5 strength is CPAN has almost anything I could need whenever I need it 19:14
BrokenRobot nemo: no, I got lag and wasn't sure what data I was sending sorry.. He's not kidding most of CPAN is usable with Inline::Perl5. We don't need to embed an interpreter, as we can use the Perl 5 C lib via native call
nemo ah..
BrokenRobot I'm actually in the middle of an article showing my use of Mojolicious web framework via Inline::Perl5 for an app
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BrokenRobot It's pretty exciting to write get '/' => *.stash: foo => 'bar'; to create a mojolcious route, since it's so much simpler code than the original :D 19:16
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moritz some of the Mojolicious APIs could really benefit from proper named arguments 19:23
(that are distinct from positional arguments at the Perl level)
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DrForr_ gist.github.com/drforr/bd929fea53e...c690314f11 - Fragment of a class I'm working on. I assume there's a more portable way to get the parse tree, but I don't see it. 19:27
(well, match before AST, because I"m worried that may strip vital information.) 19:28
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DrForr_ I.E. I can't very well go reformatting code post-optimization... 19:29
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bazzaar \o 19:58
DrForr_ o_m/ 20:00
bazzaar m: class A { method invocant { say "{ self }" } }; my $a = A.new; $a.invocant;
camelia rakudo-moar f49a50: OUTPUT«A<78625248>␤»
bazzaar m: class A { method invocant { say "{ self }" } }; A.invocant; 20:01
camelia rakudo-moar f49a50: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value of type A in string context␤Any of .^name, .perl, .gist, or .say can stringify undefined things, if needed. in method invocant at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
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bazzaar Does this illustrate the difference between calling a method on the object versus calling a method on the class? 20:02
skids DrForr_: supposedly there is %*LANG
hoelzro bazzaar: which difference would that be? 20:03
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bazzaar hoelzro: in that self is undefined when the method is called on the class 20:04
ZoffixMobile bazzaar: yeah, self in the class call is the type object
DrForr_ skids: There is, I use that in Slang::Roman but I'm not sure that got me where I needed to be, though I'll look again.
hoelzro well, self points to the class, which is undefined 20:05
ZoffixMobile bazzaar, it
skids Weirdly, I have used it successfully in slangs as well, but...
hoelzro in both situations, self refers to the thing on the LHS of the '.' operator
ZoffixMobile bazzaar, you can use :D and :U type simleys on the invocant in method signature to differentiate the calls
skids m: %*LANG.perl.say
camelia rakudo-moar f49a50: OUTPUT«Failure.new(exception => X::Dynamic::NotFound.new(name => "\%*LANG"), backtrace => Backtrace.new)␤»
DrForr_ I think the issue was the type it gave me,but I know more of what I'm looking for now. 20:06
m:nqp::bindkey(%*LANG,'MAIN',Any); 20:08
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DrForr_ m: nqp::bindkey(%*LANG,'MAIN',Any); 20:08
camelia rakudo-moar f49a50: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Could not find nqp::bindkey, did you forget 'use nqp;' ?␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3nqp::bindkey(%*LANG,'MAIN',Any)7⏏5;␤»
DrForr_ m: use nqp; nqp::bindkey(%*LANG,'MAIN',Any); 20:09
camelia rakudo-moar f49a50: OUTPUT«This type (Failure) does not support associative operations␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
bazzaar hoelzro: thanks
BooK so in this code (which I didn't write alone), github.com/book/p6-Git-Version/blo...Version.pm I have both a unit module Git::Version, and below a class Git::Version
skids Yeah I don't know why my slang module is even working now.
bazzaar Zoffix: thanks, I will investigate the smileys
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BooK what's the difference? a module is a namespace ? for functions? 20:10
there's also a Git::Version.Version::new() call at the end of the code, which puzzles me a little
I assume it means, call the Version::new code but create a Git::Version object (which is a subclass) 20:11
DrForr_ Oh, right, to do what I wanted I'd have to wrap the grammar's methods but that option would only work for a subclass and the grammar was finalized in NQP or something like that... 20:12
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pmurias BrokenRobot: Inline::Perl5 *embeds* the Perl 5 interpreter 20:19
nemo: embedding the Perl 5 interpreter is the only way to use CPAN in Perl 6 20:21
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pmurias nemo: there was a project to implement Perl 5 on top of MoarVM (and other VMs Perl 6 runs on), but in addition to Perl 5 being fairly tricky to implement loads of CPAN uses XS 20:22
dogbert17 .seen sexy-coder-girl 20:23
yoleaux I saw sexy-coder-girl 16 Jun 2016 00:29Z in #perl6: <sexy-coder-girl> :)
timotimo yeah, we can fake up Perl 5 well enough, albeit with a lot of work
but XS ... no way
dalek osystem/bbkr-tinyid: 351c46a | (Pawel Pabian)++ | META.list:
Added TinyID: Shorten and obfuscate IDs
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timotimo bbkr: i'd be quite happy if the commit message contained a github link directly for your module 20:24
that's how i used to build the "new modules this week" section in my p6weekly 20:25
though lizmat has done the last umpteen thousand of those
bbkr sure, i'll change it
timotimo thanks \o/
dogbert17 there's a bit of a problem with docs.perl6.org atm 20:26
go to e.g. docs.perl6.org/type/Mu and click on the method 'isa', are you taken to the doc for that routine? 20:27
for me the link changes from showing the name of the method to '[hide]' 20:28
Xliff \o 20:29
dogbert17 o/ Xliff
Xliff Can submethod DESTROY be specified by a role?
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dalek osystem/bbkr-tinyid: 0424898 | (Pawel Pabian)++ | META.list:
Added TinyID: Shorten and obfuscate IDs

See github.com/bbkr/TinyID		 20:30
bbkr changed
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ZoffixMobile dogbert17, I'll fix it when I get home 20:30
dogbert17, what browser are you using? 20:31
dogbert17 ZoffixMobile: no problem :) FF
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dogbert17 ZoffixMobile: tried it with IE 11 as well, same result 20:32
ZoffixMobile k, I know they issue
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dalek c: 5f1061c | (Zoffix Znet)++ | html/js/main.js:
Fix TOC toggle
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ZoffixMobile That fixes it (prolly)
dogbert17 ZoffixMobile: are you home now :-)
ZoffixMobile No, at the bus stop :) 20:35
dogbert17 I like the collapsible TOC, it's nifty
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dalek c: 081c910 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/Thread.pod:
Added docs for Thread.Str
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dalek rl6-most-wanted: 91ce80f | (David Warring)++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
OpenSSL AES no longer WIP

   AES 256/192/128 are now all supported		 21:16
rl6-most-wanted: 4f1e099 | (David Warring)++ | most-wanted/modules.md:
Erm delete OpenSSL / AES - it's done
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dalek osystem: 0424898 | (Pawel Pabian)++ | META.list:
Added TinyID: Shorten and obfuscate IDs

See github.com/bbkr/TinyID		 21:49
osystem: 343a21b | RabidGravy++ | META.list:
Merge pull request #224 from perl6/bbkr-tinyid

Added TinyID: Shorten and obfuscate IDs
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dalek c: be425a9 | coke++ | CONTRIBUTING.md:
Fix #651

Add some descriptions for labels		 23:10
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Xliff m: my $a = Nil; say $a.defined; 23:35
camelia rakudo-moar 750c4e: OUTPUT«False␤»
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gfldex m: my %h = a => 1; dd %h; %h = Nil; 23:57
camelia rakudo-moar 75b37e: OUTPUT«Hash %h = {:a(1)}␤Odd number of elements found where hash initializer expected␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
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gfldex m: my %h = a => 1; dd %h; my Hash $h = { a => 2 }; dd $h; $h = Nil; dd $h; 23:58
camelia rakudo-moar 75b37e: OUTPUT«Hash %h = {:a(1)}␤Hash $h = ${:a(2)}␤Hash $h = Hash␤»

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