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[Coke] 32 ballots 00:48
ah, great. still can't do any HTTP stuff because "Abort trap 6". happens with cro, happens with HTTP::UserAgent... 00:56
not good feels that this has been broken on the mac for months.
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[Coke] will try to figure it out again this week 01:05
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tbrowder have you tried LibCurl? 02:11
on linux it works well 02:12
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Xliff Who works on the Atom syntax highlighting for Raku? 04:27
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Geth doc: 695e06e2b3 | rir++ (committed by Juan Julián Merelo Guervós) | doc/Language/modules.pod6
Update modules.pod6

Three small text tunings:
1) 'include path' appears to not be a Raku term. 2) 'searched ... when Rakudo is started' seems misleading at best. I think it is just wrong as a command is needed to place an order for a module. I don't know what Raku does with core modules but that seems off-topic or arcana here--doubtfully worth a mention or link. 3) 'recursively' seems wrong and just an implementation detail. Isn't the list linearly searched and then mangling or such grabs a module.
If someone knows offhand where this RAKULIB search code is, please give me a pointer.		 06:35
linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/language/modules
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Geth doc: a68c041d1a | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/variables.pod6
Eliminates anchor

Which was left there apparently when a new section was added. Closes #3628		 07:28
doc: c41093a4c3 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/variables.pod6
Improving slightly the description of %?RESOURCES

Some of the concerns in #3095 had already been addressed, as well as the original title of #3205 (it's evolved now). But it really needs the support of the documentation of Distribution::Resources, which has not been done so far.
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linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/language/variables 07:28
linkable6 DOC#3628 [closed]: github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3628 [docs] Indexing of %?RESOURCES
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linkable6 DOC#3095 [open]: github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3095 [bug] Wrong advice in modules documentation 07:28
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linkable6 DOC#3205 [open]: github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3205 [bug] Explanation for %?RESOURCES needs to be improved. 07:28
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Geth doc: 1a367996cd | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Language/variables.pod6
Eliminating double-barrel indexing, closes #3628 -- again
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linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/language/variables
DOC#3628 [closed]: github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3628 [docs] Indexing of %?RESOURCES
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JJMerelo releasable6: status 11:03
tellable6 2020-09-11T22:30:59Z #raku <ggoebel> JJMerelo where can the results for the current survey be found?
releasable6 JJMerelo, Next release in ≈7 days and ≈7 hours. 2 blockers. Changelog for this release was not started yet
JJMerelo, Details: gist.github.com/4ebc21ba7e71c847b0...f0979a3109
JJMerelo .tell ggoebbel Not finished yet, and I don't want to skew responses by posting them; however, in a day or two I will probably close it and post results at the p6-survey repo. 11:04
tellable6 JJMerelo, I'll pass your message to ggoebel
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Geth doc/hashmap-xref: 57582e30b2 | (Stoned Elipot)++ | doc/Language/hashmap.pod6
xref Hash and format type name as code
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doc: stoned++ created pull request #3630:
xref Hash and format type name as code		 11:38
doc/hashmap-fix-formatting: f03768f33c | (Stoned Elipot)++ | doc/Language/hashmap.pod6
fix formatting code
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doc: stoned++ created pull request #3631:
fix formatting code
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xref Hash and format type name as code
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linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/language/hashmap
Geth doc: b6bc58c0f7 | (Stoned Elipot)++ (committed by Juan Julián Merelo Guervós) | doc/Language/hashmap.pod6
fix formatting code
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[Coke] so many ballots gmail thinks are "Luxembourgish" 13:47
33 13:48
(I expected more voting, honestly)
sena_kun suspects lack of promotion, but not sure how to put a big red sign in front of all relevant people and is sure that'll mostly just annoy even if possible 13:50
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Geth Raku-Steering-Council/main: 0a8c53b727 | Coke++ | scripts/tally.raku
display average number of votes
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Raku-Steering-Council/main: f4b3ee1e10 | Coke++ | scripts/tally.raku
show 1 decimal on the average.

  (4 is misleading when it's closer to 4.5)		 14:36
[Coke] 33 ballots reporting (Average votes per ballot: 4.5) 14:41
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Juerd 15:48 < [Coke]> (I expected more voting, honestly) 15:34
I think maybe it isn't clear to people that they can
masak looks around, as if waking up from a daze 15:35
a... vote?
Juerd github.com/Raku/Raku-Steering-Coun...0200720.md 15:36
masak reads
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tadzik hm, I read it and am confused 15:39
there's people listed on github.com/Raku/Raku-Steering-Coun...0200720.md and there's people listed on github.com/Raku/Raku-Steering-Coun...g-form.md, and there's an overlap 15:40
and because of that overlap, I'm not sure what the vote is for 15:41
if it's a vote for members of the Steering Council, then why is there an option to vote for, e.g. lizmat if she's already on the list in the first link? 15:42
moritz tadzik: lizmat proposed that there be a steering committee (hence she's on the announcement), and she's also running as candidate to be on the RSC 15:45
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timotimo the Foo::<some unicode symbol that i can't identify>Foo thing in blin gets a 404 on modules.raku.org as well. i wonder where exactly that happens 16:13
[Coke] tadzik: list one: "these people support the election of...". list two: "the candidates below..." 16:17
[Coke] is pretty sure both tadzik & masak are eligible to vote if they want 16:18
This is the first vote to elect members of the RSC - the C doesn't exist yet. 16:19
github.com/Raku/Raku-Steering-Coun...tions/2020 has info about the candidates if you want to read that. 16:20
guifa Is there a way to to have a github action modify a file in the repository? Would be cool for Intl::X to update the README with language stats with each new commit 16:21
timotimo pretty much all the proposals for nominees are very compelling 16:27
MasterDuke agreed 16:36
Xliff guida: You mean a pre-commit hook or something? 16:45
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timotimo oh gosh darn it, i somehow put one too many Xes on my ballot 16:45
why would counting be difficult
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[Coke] You can resubmit with the correct number, that's fine. 16:56
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timotimo right, now i have to eliminate someone 16:58
[Coke] great. Latest message's internal format breaks tally.raku 17:07
(ran the tally against the vote, noted that that average count per ballot went down a whole .1) 17:08
looks like the first chunk (the textual chunk) was converted to a single line then line wrapped, instead of preserving \ns) 17:09
Altai-man Hmm. Let's say I have a list and I want to break it into two, where 1, 3, 5 go into A and 2, 4... go into B. 17:11
m: say <a b c d e>.pairs.categorize(*.key %% 2).map(*.value)
camelia ([1 => b 3 => d] [0 => a 2 => c 4 => e])
Altai-man I am not really sure I like this approach.
timotimo m: my (@l, @r); say <a b c d e>.map(-> $a, $b? { @l.push: $a; @r.push: $b }); dd @l; dd @r
camelia ([b] [b d] [b d (Mu)])
Array @l = ["a", "c", "e"]
Array @r = ["b", "d", Mu]
timotimo m: my (@l, @r); say <a b c d e>.map(-> $a, $b? { @l.push: $a; @r.push($_) with $b }); dd @l; dd @r 17:12
camelia ([b] [b d])
Array @l = ["a", "c", "e"]
Array @r = ["b", "d"]
Altai-man This is not very functional, but I can take it.
timotimo++
timotimo yeah, true, it's not
Altai-man Functional as in FP. 17:13
timotimo i know
also depends on whether it's fine to cache the incoming list, this may be acceptable: 17:14
m: my @input = <a b c d e f g h>; my @l = @input[1, 3 ... *]; my @r = @input[2, 4 ... *]; dd @l, @r 17:16
camelia Array @l = ["b", "d", "f", "h"]
Array @r = ["c", "e", "g"]
Xliff m: my (@l, @m, @r); say <a b c d e f g h>.map(-> $a, $b?, $c? { @l.push: $a; @m.push($_) with $b; @r.push($_) with $c }); dd @l; dd @r 17:17
camelia ([c] [c f])
Array @l = ["a", "d", "g"]
Array @r = ["c", "f"]
Xliff m: my (@l, @m, @r); say <a b c d e f g h>.map(-> $a, $b?, $c? { @l.push: $a; @m.push($_) with $b; @r.push($_) with $c }); dd @l; dd @m; dd @r
camelia ([c] [c f])
Array @l = ["a", "d", "g"]
Array @m = ["b", "e", "h"]
Array @r = ["c", "f"]
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Xliff m": my %h = ( name => 'me', number => 4, suit => 'hearts' ); -> (:$name, :suit(:$s), :$number) { ($name, $s, $number).say }(%h) 17:28
m: my %h = ( name => 'me', number => 4, suit => 'hearts' ); -> (:$name, :suit(:$s), :$number) { ($name, $s, $number).say }(%h)
camelia (me hearts 4)
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[Coke] trying to work around the badly formatted ballot, now I see a vote for @l=\nizmat 17:28
Xliff m: my %h = ( name => 'me', number => 4, suit => 'hearts' ); -> (:$name, :suit(:$s), :$number) { ($s, $suit, $number).say }(%h) 17:29
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Variable '$suit' is not declared
at <tmp>:1
------> 3> (:$name, :suit(:$s), :$number) { ($s, 7⏏5$suit, $number).say }(%h)
Xliff m: my %h = ( name => 'me', number => 4, suit => 'hearts' ); -> (:$name, :suit(:$s), :$number) { ($s, $name, $number).say }(%h)
camelia (hearts me 4)
Xliff Ohh... sensible decomp FTW
timotimo [Coke]: is that how gmail escapes a newline? with an = sign?
Grinnz sounds like it got infected with mime 17:30
[Coke] timotimo: not in yours.
timotimo: yours is just ... word wrapped. but now that I'm trying to deal with that, I see others that are using =0A *AND* =(literal newline) in the same body 17:31
so it's probably good I tripped over this. I may end up having to just manually count everything.
(some of those other votes may have missed a vote, if two [X]s appeared on the same wrapped line 17:32
Xliff m: my %h = ( him => 'me', her => 4, hi => 'hearts' ); -> (:him(:her(:$hi))) { $hi.say }(%h)
camelia 2 unexpected named arguments passed (him,her) in sub-signature
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Xliff m: my %h = ( him => 'me', her => 4, hi => 'hearts' ); -> :him(:her(:$hi)) { $hi.say }(%h) 17:33
camelia Too many positionals passed to '<anon>'; expected 0 arguments but got 1
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Xliff m: my %h = ( him => 'me', her => 4, hi => 'hearts' ); -> (:him(:her(:$hi))) { $hi.say }(%h)
camelia 2 unexpected named arguments passed (him,her) in sub-signature
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Xliff m: my %h = ( her => 4, hi => 'hearts' ); -> (:him(:her(:$hi))) { $hi.say }(%h)
camelia Unexpected named argument 'her' passed in sub-signature
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Xliff ^^ Not what I expected. 17:34
timotimo m: -> (:him(:her(:$hi))) { }.signature.say
camelia ($ (:him(:her(:$hi))))
timotimo m: my %h = ( her => 4, hi => 'hearts' ); say %h.Capture.raku 17:35
camelia \(:her(4), :hi("hearts"))
Xliff m: my %h = ( s => 4, hi => 'hearts' ); -> (:him(:her(:$hi))) { $hi.say }(%h)
camelia Unexpected named argument 's' passed in sub-signature
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo m: my %h = ( her => 4, hi => 'hearts' ); say %h.Capture.list; say %h.Capture.hash
camelia ()
Map.new((her => 4, hi => hearts))
Xliff m: my %h = ( s => 4, hi => 'hearts' ); -> (:s(:$steve), :$hi) { ($hi, $steve).say }(%h) 17:36
camelia (hearts 4)
Xliff Hmmm... Would be nice if I could use decomp to pull out just one key in a var. 17:37
timotimo not sure how exactly you mean that?
Xliff m: my %h = ( s => 4, hi => 'hearts' ); -> (:$hi) { $hi.say }(%h)
camelia Unexpected named argument 's' passed in sub-signature
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Xliff ^^ Should just return 'hearts' 17:38
m: my %h = ( s => 4, hi => 'hearts' ); -> (:$hi, *%) { $hi.say }(%h)
timotimo oh
camelia hearts
Xliff \o/
timotimo yeah, like that will do it
[Coke] timotimo: looks like your client isn't following quoted printable and just left off the ='s. 17:39
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[Coke] how to use s/// with a code block in the replacement? 17:46
(and using the text of the match)
timotimo i would recommend the s[] = syntax
[Coke] m: "test" ~~ s/ 'e' / { ~$0.uc } / 17:47
camelia Use of Nil in string context
in block at <tmp> line 1
Cannot modify an immutable Str (test)
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
timotimo m: my $_ = "hello coke how are you"; s:g[\w+] = .comb.pick(*).join(""); .say
camelia Potential difficulties:
Redeclaration of symbol '$_'.
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $_7⏏5 = "hello coke how are you"; s:g[\w+] =
ohcoulr oek hwaoe le y o korho ulcahoeywle e reuyhloac le kewhoo o eyuech arholo okeolw eheowaoor…
timotimo m: $_ = "hello coke how are you"; s:g[\w+] = .comb.pick(*).join(""); .say
camelia o wroy euaokh elloe hc hooowrcy eel e aklh ou ukocholeyw eahrlo o e ceohroylau eh weoklo ehuo lco we eloa oyrkh
timotimo m: $_ = "hello coke how are you"; s:g[\w+] = $/.comb.pick(*).join(""); .say
camelia elohl ocek woh era uyo 17:48
timotimo m: $_ = "hello coke how are you"; s:g[\w+] = $/.comb.pick(*).join(""); .say
camelia holle ocek ohw era uoy
[Coke] m: my $_ = "test"; s:g['e'] = { ~$0.uc }; .say
camelia Potential difficulties:
Redeclaration of symbol '$_'.
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $_7⏏5 = "test"; s:g['e'] = { ~$0.uc }; .say
tst
Block object coerced to string (please use .gist or .raku to do that)
in block <unit> at <tmp>…
[Coke] m: my $_ = "test"; s:g['e'] = ~$0.uc; .say
camelia Potential difficulties:
Redeclaration of symbol '$_'.
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $_7⏏5 = "test"; s:g['e'] = ~$0.uc; .say
tst
Use of Nil in string context
in code at <tmp> line 1
[Coke] m: $_ = "test"; s:g['e'] = ~$0.uc; .say 17:49
camelia Use of Nil in string context
tst
in code at <tmp> line 1
[Coke] m: $_ = "test"; s:g['e'] = *.uc; .say
camelia WhateverCode object coerced to string (please use .gist or .raku to do that)
tst
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
[Coke] m: $_ = "test"; s:g['e'] = $/.uc; .say
camelia tEst
[Coke] bleargh.
dislike syntax that forces me into $_
thanks, timotimo.
timotimo do we have S[]= syntax? 17:50
m: say S:g[a] = $/ ~ <u i a e o>.pick given "hello coke how are you"
camelia hello coke how aore you
timotimo haha i only put a single a in there
i'% brilliant
m: say S:g[<[uiaeo]>] = $/ ~ <u i a e o>.pick given "hello coke how are you"
camelia heelloo coukeu hoow aoreo youuo
timotimo [Coke]: look pa, no $_ 17:51
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Geth doc: ccc959d745 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Distribution/Resource.pod6
Writes stub for Distribution::Resource

Starting to address part of #3043 and #3629		 18:00
doc: f401eec3a5 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Distribution/Resource.pod6
First version
linkable6 Link: docs.raku.org/type/Distribution::Resource
Geth doc: d23b8da6d4 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Distribution/Resource.pod6
First attempt at Distribution::Resource

This refs mainly #3629, although it also tries to adress #3043. It is a functional description, rather than a syntactic description; as a matter of fact, it's probably not sensible to describe one by one all the "IO" look-alike methods it's got, but a high-level one.
Not even the introduction is ready, it needs some work:
  * Adds usage of "libraries" in "is native"
  * Using resources directly.
linkable6 DOC#3043 [open]: github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3043 [big][docs][new] Document the CompUnit namespace, or at least the part of it that's spec
linkable6 DOC#3629 [open]: github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3629 [docs] Document Distribution::Resources and Distribution::Resource
doc: 1b016d141f | (JJ Merelo)++ | type-graph.txt
Adds to typemap
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CIAvash m: say <a b c d e>.categorize({ $++ %% 2 }).values 18:11
camelia ([b d] [a c e])
CIAvash Altai-man: Is this better? ↑ 18:12
timotimo m: dd (<a b c d e f g> Z |(0, 1) xx *).categorize(*[1]).map(*[0]) 18:14
camelia (0 => $[("a", 0), ("c", 0), ("e", 0), ("g", 0)], 1 => $[("b", 1), ("d", 1), ("f", 1)]).Seq
timotimo m: dd (<a b c d e f g> Z |(0, 1) xx *).categorize(*[1], :as(*[0]))
camelia (my Any %{Any} = 0 => $["a", "c", "e", "g"], 1 => $["b", "d", "f"])
stoned75 commit: releases my %h; %h.of.key; 18:15
committable6 stoned75, gist.github.com/90bed9007ea7fa5323...8f9b45dd73
stoned75 commit: releases my %h; %h.of.say;
committable6 stoned75, ¦releases (46 commits): «(Mu)␤» 18:16
Geth Raku-Steering-Council/main: 059b227f87 | Coke++ | scripts/tally.raku
Try to handle multiple formats of text/plain

Try to handle Quoted Printable Try to handle ballots that leave off the newline encoding in QP.
This lets us parse a new ballot and catch an error in parsing on one that had already come in.
[Coke] 34 ballots reporting (Average votes per ballot: 4.6) 18:17
stoned75 commit: releases :{ 0 => 42 }<0>.say; 18:19
committable6 stoned75, gist.github.com/8b821d47099217ee0f...3ea6f54d66 18:20
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Altai-man CIAvash, surely shorter! Thanks. 18:40
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timotimo the categorize on anonymous state var is pretty good, i must admit 19:03
guifa I just noticed something. Our CREDITS file still uses a p5 format 19:06
[Coke] what format would you suggest? 19:08
guifa pod6? lol
(that wasn’t meant to be as sarcastic as it came off)
(so, in the most basic, s/=pod/=begin pod/, and s/=cut/=end pod/ 19:09
[Coke] firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/a.../1151/1071
I'd just remove the pod markers.
the pod is from the first commit, taken from the parrot repo. 19:10
guifa That works too
timotimo let's rewrite it in Turtle 19:12
guifa timotimo: don’t give me ideas. I once wrote a brainfuck interpreter in AppleScript 19:13
I gladly will do masochistic programming projects for no point whatsoever :-) 19:14
timotimo i don't mean the kind of turtle that draws graphics
guifa Terse RDF I figured
timotimo yeah
i didn't know about it for long yet
guifa Keeping the Linux format makes sense, although there’s no reason pod6 couldn’t do some of the semantic stuff 19:16
gist.github.com/alabamenhu/3f262db...7e47d29776 19:21
^^^ an example of why POD isn’t great for anything hierarchical :-(
(the SnailMail really needs to be in a begin/end, as multiline content for non circumfixed stuff are NYI) 19:22
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[Coke] I don't think that kind of extensive reformatting to pod6 is worth it for the credits file 22:31
moon-child have there been any proposals for an 'exhaustive typechecking' mode? Probably not possible to completely prevent type errors at compile time, but maybe just forcing all variables and function parameters/return types to be annotated? 22:34
timotimo forcing everything to be annotated sounds like a task for a slang / RakuAST 22:38
method calls will not be able to be type checked at compile time due to subclassing not enforcing anything with method's signatures 22:39
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moon-child timotimo: right - now that you mention it, I think there was an SO answer form jnthn saying something similar (re. rakuast) 22:55
timotimo i think it should be possible to write a HOW that refuses subclassing when some tight constraints on method's signatures are not upheld 23:06
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