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vrurg Aearnus: I'm having weird discrpancies on read benchmark result where ratio flip-flops between 1.6 and 9 times slow down. But write is consistent and it's only 1.4 times slower. 00:06
discord6 <Aearnus> huh, interesting
<Aearnus> how many reads/writes a second does that come out to vrurg? 00:07
vrurg Try it yourself: gist.github.com/vrurg/aa7eb27dd56b...fe4a0ec5fa 00:09
On your system it would most likely be different numbers. 00:10
discord6 <Aearnus> fair point haha 00:22
<Aearnus> thx vrurg
vrurg welcom! :) 00:28
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Doc_Holliwood did anybody ever try to upload a module with a wide unicode name? like "Mojūru" 00:40
or even real kanji characters? which this client doesn't support
AlexDaniel Doc_Holliwood: there's this modules.perl6.org/dist/Acme::%E0%B...:ELIZABETH 00:41
guifa chuckles at that module 00:42
Grinnz based on metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Acme...me/o_o.pm, but probably has to jump through far less hoops :P 00:43
AlexDaniel guifa: you might also like module ../Foo
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AlexDaniel guifa: here on the bottom: modules.perl6.org/search/?q=foo 00:44
Grinnz well that seems like a terrible idea :P
AlexDaniel Grinnz: IIRC you can actually install it if you clone it from here github.com/AlexDaniel/foo-dotdotslash 00:45
Grinnz: and then do `zef install .`
guifa I think I’m going to have to have to join in the fun sometime. Maybe a Raku and/or Perl calendar variant whose epoch is the original release date?
guifa would then make the Perl calendar always one day behind the Raku one 😈
AlexDaniel guifa: actually, I'd love to see an implementation of International Fixed Calendar 00:46
could be handy for certain operations
Doc_Holliwood are you nuts?
AlexDaniel Grinnz: also I think it's possible to uninstall it too 00:47
Grinnz: oh, and it has tests, and they pass!
Grinnz heh
Doc_Holliwood it is known that only opening a source file with date related code has led to sudden brain bleeding and strokes
let alone reading it
Grinnz i guess having the ability to store the modules without the same name on the filesystem helps
not so much with the URLs, apparently
AlexDaniel Grinnz: that's just a bug on the website 00:48
guifa Doc_Holliwood: someone has to do it. I’m sacrificing myself. I actually grabbed a copy of the Calendric Calculations book to start work on it
AlexDaniel I wouldn't be surprised if module <b> does exactly what I expect it to do…
Grinnz is quite happy with the restriction of only word characters and :: in package names
AlexDaniel yeah, well… I should really upload a <b> module 00:49
Grinnz if that breaks it that's definitely a bug
url escaping can be ambiguous, html escaping not so much :P
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AlexDaniel wait there's an emptystring module too? 00:50
guifa The trick is that some calendars can’t be converted with 100% accuracy and then you run into issues of date vs datetime. I’m actually not sure how to handle a datetime for Hebrew and I’ve not seen any generally advice on handling it
AlexDaniel oh! There it is
modules.perl6.org/search/?q=author...eksejev%22
on the bottom
Grinnz also a nice link :P 00:51
that reminds me of when i didnt check for empty strings on cpanmeta.grinnz.com/ but didnt notice because they were all just empty <a> anyway
guifa: www.tondering.dk/claus/calendar.html 00:52
guifa Grinnz: that page identifies the problem (without stating it as such) but without a solution. Hebrew calendar days start basically at sunset 00:53
Grinnz mmmhm
sunset data is not encoded to anything useful, so i think you might be generally out of luck there 00:54
guifa You can calculate it, but it’s not really useful anyways, because what do you do for polar areas? 00:55
Grinnz perhaps approximations like sunset is at 6pm would be good enough
AlexDaniel OK I have a module…
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Geth ecosystem: 098343874e | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | META.list
Add Foo::<b>Foo module
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guifa Grinnz: yeah, there’s no great solution except to give people options (align with Jerusalem, strictly 6pm, align to a supplied location, align to the near non-polar area, etc)
Islamic calendar has similar problems, it’s impossible to predict observational calendars in advance, so calculations will always have a margin of error of a day or two 01:00
AlexDaniel now we just wait for the index to update…
to see the epic fail 01:01
Grinnz: what would be a better namespace for stuff like this?
Grinnz: “Foo” doesn't sound like a good one, right?
Grinnz everything like this is Acme:: in perl 5 01:02
unless its a funny pragma that has to be at top level
AlexDaniel but Acme has like, um, how do I say it
“useful stuff”
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Grinnz eh? 01:02
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AlexDaniel I mean like stuff that actually works, my modules are simply there to test/break tooling 01:03
Grinnz yeah, Acme:: has both
like Acme::Bleach actually works, but still is pointless
AlexDaniel we have something like that too, I think: github.com/perl6-community-modules...me-Anguish 01:04
hmm it doesn't allow these characters in the source code? bummer 01:05
Grinnz heh
cpan-raku New module released to CPAN! LibXML (0.1.5) by 03WARRINGD 01:07
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AlexDaniel I guess a null byte in the name can be fun too 01:20
===SORRY!=== Cannot use null character (U+0000) as part of the path 01:24
:S
that's weird, I'm not sure why it attempts to 01:25
eh, it ends up constructing an IO::Path somewhere, I guess 01:28
Geth ecosystem: 9d223885a0 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | META.list
Add Foo::nullbyteFoo module
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AlexDaniel zef is happy to `install .` it and it even passes tests… so, uh, ok? 01:44
this line makes no difference though: github.com/AlexDaniel/foo-nullbyte...Foo.pm6#L1
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Geth ecosystem: 7e7f2b0746 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | META.list
Add Foo::

Foo module		 01:51
AlexDaniel enough for now 01:52
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AlexDaniel Grinnz: nope, <b> is ok modules.perl6.org/search/?q=foo 02:03
null byte maybe not so much, but it's not too horrible
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discord6 <Aearnus> just got back from a lecture with Noam Chomsky. cool stuff 02:27
warriors did you tell him about raku 02:28
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discord6 <Aearnus> haha, I was definitely thinking about it 02:33
<Aearnus> but the moderators were like "only questions about the class, please" 02:34
<Aearnus> I'll try to bring it up when we talk about generative grammars
warriors tell him raku is a shinto shrine :)
and give him the Clay Shirky presentation 02:35
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hythm hello 03:17
p6: my $str1 = 'abc'; my $str2 = '/.*bc/'; say 'abc' ~~ / <$str1> /; say 'abc' ~~ / <$str2> /
camelia ｢abc｣
5===SORRY!5===
Unrecognized regex metacharacter / (must be quoted to match literally)
at /home/camelia/EVAL_1:1
------> 3anon regex {7⏏5 /.*bc/}
Unrecognized regex metacharacter . (must be quoted to match literally)
at…
hythm how can I fix the eror in the last statement? 03:18
s/eror/error/
p6: y $str = '/.*bc/'; say 'abc' ~~ / <{$str}> / 03:22
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Unsupported use of y///; in Perl 6 please use tr///
at <tmp>:1
------> 3y7⏏5 $str = '/.*bc/'; say 'abc' ~~ / <{$str}
hythm p6: my $str = '/.*bc/'; say 'abc' ~~ / $<str> /
camelia Nil
hythm p6: my $str = '/.*bc/'; say 'abc' ~~ / <{$str}> / 03:23
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Unrecognized regex metacharacter / (must be quoted to match literally)
at /home/camelia/EVAL_0:1
------> 3anon regex {7⏏5 /.*bc/}
Unrecognized regex metacharacter . (must be quoted to match literally)
at /home/camel…
warriors look i am complete nood 03:26
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warriors but adding / / once in str2 and again in the regex 03:27
looks off
been a while since i looked at regex
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hythm agree, I saw it in SO question, and it's not working without the // so I added it to try 03:32
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hythm the question is how can I interpolate a variable into a regex and acts as Str or Regex, so it can be matched as literal string or regex based on the content of the variable 03:37
the goal is to have :auth<github:raku> ~~ :auth<github:raku> and :auth</.*:raku/> ~~ :auth<github:raku> both returns true 03:42
I made it work before but forgot how I did it 03:43
typo: :auth</github:raku/> ~~ :auth<github:raku> and :auth</.*:raku/> ~~ :auth<github:raku> both returns true 03:44
ops typo again, it's confusing: :auth<github:raku> ~~ :auth<github:raku> and :auth</.*:raku/> ~~ :auth<github:raku> both returns true 03:46
warriors p6: my $str2 = /.*bc/; say 'abc' ~~ $str2 03:47
camelia ｢abc｣
warriors is that what you want
p6: my $str2 = /.*bf/; say 'abc' ~~ $str2
camelia Nil
warriors p6: my $str2 = /.*b./; say 'abc' ~~ $str2
camelia ｢abc｣
warriors p6: my $str2 = /.*b./; say 'abc' ~~ "$str2" 03:49
camelia Regex object coerced to string (please use .gist or .perl to do that)
False
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
warriors p6: my $str2 = /.*b./; say 'abc' ~~ /$str2/
camelia ｢abc｣
warriors hmmm
p6: my $str2 = /.*b./; say 'abc' ~~ ///$str2///
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Null regex not allowed
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $str2 = /.*b./; say 'abc' ~~ //7⏏5/$str2///
warriors p6: my $str2 = /.*b./; say 'abc' ~~ //$str2// 03:50
camelia 5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>
Null regex not allowed
at <tmp>:1
------> 3my $str2 = /.*b./; say 'abc' ~~ //7⏏5$str2//
warriors p6: my $str2 = /.*b./; say 'abc' ~~ /$str2/
camelia ｢abc｣
hythm p6: my $str = '/.*:def/'; say 'abc:def' ~~ $str 03:52
camelia False
hythm p6: my $str = 'abc:def'; say 'abc:def' ~~ $str 03:53
camelia True
hythm :p6 my $str = '/.*:def/'; say 'abc:def' ~~ / <$str> / 03:55
p6: my $str = '/.*:def/'; say 'abc:def' ~~ / <$str> /
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Unrecognized regex metacharacter / (must be quoted to match literally)
at /home/camelia/EVAL_0:1
------> 3anon regex {7⏏5 /.*:def/}
Unrecognized regex metacharacter . (must be quoted to match literally)
at /home/cam…
warriors p6: my $str = '/.*bc/'; say $str.WHAT ; my $str2 = /.*bc/ ; say $str2.WHAT 04:01
camelia (Str)
(Regex)
warriors i think is your answer
hythm p6: my $dist-auth = 'github:raku'; my $needed-auth = 'github:raku'; say $needed-auth ~~ / $dist-auth /
camelia ｢github:raku｣
hythm p6: my $dist-auth = 'github:raku'; my $needed-auth = '/.*:raku/'; say $needed-auth ~~ / $dist-auth /
camelia Nil
warriors why are you saving the regex in a str
in the first place
hythm because it is coming from user input
warriors p6: my $str = '/.*bc/'; say $str.WHAT ; my $str2 = /$str/ ; say $str2.WHAT 04:02
camelia (Str)
(Regex)
warriors cast the input to regex 04:03
hythm p6: my $dist-auth = 'github:raku'; my regex needed-auth { /.*:raku/ }; say $dist-auth ~~ <$needed-auth> 04:11
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Unrecognized regex metacharacter / (must be quoted to match literally)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3 = 'github:raku'; my regex needed-auth {7⏏5 /.*:raku/ }; say $dist-auth ~~ <$needed
Unrecognized regex metacharacter . (must be…
hythm may be I dont need to cast the input to regex, if its string or regex ~~ should match fine, no? 04:15
may be I have too, I think I should sleep can't focus on anything... gn 04:17
p6: say 'github:raku' ~~ / .*:raku / # sigh 04:53
camelia Nil
hythm p6: say 'githubraku' ~~ / .*raku / 04:57
camelia ｢githubraku｣
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El_Che < discord6> <Aearnus> but the moderators were like "only questions about the class, please" <-- the working class, I hope ;) 06:15
discord6 <Aearnus> hahah El_Che 06:17
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Geth doc: d5c8b8c6b4 | finanalyst++ | 2 files
Highlight Community, add IRC bot list

1 - Place the Community resources in HomePage (leaving the same link in the Language page) 2 - Add a list of bots (the text is taken from perl6.org/community/IRC) to the Community page. 3 - Some editing of Raku / Perl6 4 - Added channel #raku to resource list.		 08:20
doc: 7e4014ae4b | (Juan Julián Merelo Guervós)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 2 files
Merge pull request #3064 from finanalyst/master

Highlight Community, add IRC bot list		 08:21
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Geth ¦ problem-solving: JJ self-assigned Generic name for FALLBACK and CALL-ME github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/119 08:30
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Geth doc: 6a5cebe7e6 | (JJ Merelo)++ | doc/Type/Str.pod6
Clarifies with examples how :delete and :squash work, closes #3057
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squashable6 🍕 lizmat++ opened issue “Empty #| cause compilation error”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3242 10:28
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by lizmat++! ♥
🍕 lizmat++ labeled issue “Empty #| cause compilation error” (BLOCKER): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3242 10:44
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lizmat weekly: raku.online/2019/10/18/raku-one-li...free-book/ 11:20
notable6 lizmat, Noted! (weekly)
Doc_Holliwood did somebody try the "resources" feature. i put a file into that field in the meta6, and installed the module. in the module code i dump %?RESOURCES but it doesn't show the file i included there 11:29
If i understand the docs right, there should be and additional entry in there that points to the location of the resource 11:31
docs.perl6.org/language/modules#in...META6.json
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sena_kun Doc_Holliwood, how does your `resources` field in META6.json look like? where is your file placed, in `resources/$filename`? in the module distribution directory? 11:49
Doc_Holliwood Mmh. I could find my file in rakudo\share\perl6\site\resources 11:50
but how do I know the checksum?
sena_kun Doc_Holliwood, you don't need to know those details, you are using external API only
Doc_Holliwood, you can check if your setup fits to some working example 11:51
e.g. with cro-http:
github.com/croservices/cro-http/bl...6.json#L74 <- META6.json
github.com/croservices/cro-http/bl...index.html <- the file placement itself
github.com/croservices/cro-http/bl....pm6#L1068 <- usage
Doc_Holliwood, makes sense or not really? 11:55
Doc_Holliwood finrah i seee
ah, i see
see i dumped %?RESOURCES and saw no keys
but when I ask for %?RESOURCES{"myfile"} it return something 11:56
sena_kun well, that's because there is some magic involved, so you don't don't inspect it directly, rather you ask it "Give me something by this name".
s/don't don't/don't/
Doc_Holliwood That could be mentioned in the documentation. 11:57
sena_kun github.com/perl6/doc/issues/2240 <- there is even my ticket that asks for that... 11:58
Doc_Holliwood, if you want, you can volunteer to document it. :) 11:59
Doc_Holliwood starts to cry
All I wanted was to write a nicely coded cross platform implementation of a command line pac man 12:00
Now I find myself rewriting half of mi6 because it annoys me so much
And you ask me to shave another yak
Doc_Holliwood shakes fists
I'm kidding. But you can also do it. I think pretty much everybody has commit bits to the docs 12:01
sena_kun I can, of course, and I did not insist, just asked. 12:02
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Kaiepi squashable6, status 12:39
squashable6 Kaiepi, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈23 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
Kaiepi, Log and stats: gist.github.com/fd718ceef5ec50e517...136cd9183d
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Doc_Holliwood can i deconstruct a `Pair` in a loop variable assignment? this doesn't work: for @pairs -> ($key, $value) {} 12:50
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vrurg Doc_Holliwood: (:key($key), :value($value) 12:57
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Doc_Holliwood i see, tx 13:16
moritz or just -> (:$key, :$value) should work 13:17
m: for :a, :b, :c -> (:$key, :$value) { say $key }
camelia a
b
c
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squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by Kaiepi++! ♥ 13:20
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squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by AlexDaniel++! ♥ 13:42
🍕 AlexDaniel++ unlabeled issue “Empty #| cause compilation error” (BLOCKER): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3242 13:43
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Empty #| cause compilation error” (tests needed): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3242
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Empty #| cause compilation error”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/32...-543754093
🍕 vrurg++ closed pull request “Preparing for possible c…”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/566 13:50
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by vrurg++! ♥
nine Oh boy...just found out where that bug in our Perl 5 code base at work is coming from that went away when I added some debug output. 14:07
The debug statement was: warn((scalar keys %$links) . " entries in cache"); 14:08
Followed by while (my ($name, $target) = each %$links) { ... } So the bug was that the hash iterator for %$links wasn't reset between calls to that function. This makes me appreciate the cleanup that Raku as a language got all the more!
squashable6 🍕 tbrowder++ wrote a comment on “Empty #| cause compilation error”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/32...-543765926 14:12
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by tbrowder++! ♥
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Grinnz nine: yes each is gross don't use it ;) 14:21
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El_Che releasable6: status 14:28
releasable6 El_Che, Next release in ≈1 day and ≈4 hours. 6 blockers. Unknown changelog format
El_Che, Details: gist.github.com/58dd4ad0211cd0c862...10d9430df4
squashable6 🍕 lucasbuchala++ labeled issue “MMD in role not working with natives” (native types): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3210
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by lucasbuchala++! ♥
🍕 lucasbuchala++ labeled issue “MMD in role not working with natives” (multimethods): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3210
🍕 lucasbuchala++ labeled issue “Empty #| cause compilation error” (POD6): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3242 14:30
🍕 Kaiepi++ opened pull request “Add tests for R#3035”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/584
AlexDaniel vrurg: can you take a look at github.com/perl6/roast/pull/584 ? :) 14:31
squashable6 🍕 Kaiepi++ synchronize pull request “Add tests for R#3035”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/584
AlexDaniel vrurg: it's a new file, it needs to be added to a list somewhere, right? 14:32
Kaiepi++ :)
vrurg AlexDaniel: later tosay, I'm off for breakfast. :) But have it opened in a tab already.
squashable6 🍕 lucasbuchala++ labeled issue “Regression in NativeCall, seems Role related” (NativeCall): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3235 14:34
🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “Large nativecall-related ecosystem fallout ”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3243 14:36
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Large nativecall-related ecosystem fallout ” (BLOCKER): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3243
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squashable6 🍕 lucasbuchala++ labeled issue “Match operator: error wi…” (junctions): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3221 14:38
🍕 lucasbuchala++ labeled issue “Match operator: error wi…” (regex): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3221
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Weird issue in epoll module” (BLOCKER): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3244 14:50
🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened issue “Weird issue in epoll module”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3244
AlexDaniel Kaiepi: I don't know if your commits are the actual cause of this issue, but maybe you'll be able to tell: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3244 14:51
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Kaiepi taking a look rn AlexDaniel 15:01
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Geth ¦ problem-solving: JJ assigned to AlexDaniel Issue Wikipedia and Wikidata curation github.com/perl6/problem-solving/issues/120 15:46
squashable6 🍕 Kaiepi++ wrote a comment on “Weird issue in epoll module”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/32...-543805114 15:47
jjmerelo releasable6: status 15:50
releasable6 jjmerelo, Next release in ≈1 day and ≈3 hours. 8 blockers. Unknown changelog format
jjmerelo, Details: gist.github.com/587eade43791192a27...ac5c3fd9fc
jjmerelo squashable6: status
squashable6 jjmerelo, 🍕🍕 SQUASHathon is in progress! The end of the event in 1 day and ≈20 hours. See github.com/rakudo/rakudo/wiki/Mont...Squash-Day
jjmerelo, Log and stats: gist.github.com/2d43a2068aedf3cb16...c96652e97f 15:51
jjmerelo Is the squashathon really going on?
AlexDaniel yep 15:53
Kaiepi++ did a roast pull request :)
jjmerelo AlexDaniel with testneeded, I guess 15:59
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AlexDaniel ⚠ please think twice before doing disruptive changes on wikipedia and other related projects: github.com/perl6/problem-solving/i...-543810775 16:01
El_Che Is it likely we hava release tomorrow or it more a generic timer what releasable shows? (I am preparing the addition of Centos 8 and Ubuntu 19.10 packages) 16:08
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AlexDaniel El_Che: eh there are a few issues right now 16:11
El_Che: so it will likely take a bit more than that 16:12
El_Che ok, good to know. I may relase 2019.07 packages for these new distros in the meantime
AlexDaniel I'm optimistic, I don't think it'll take too long, just not 1 day I guess 16:13
El_Che AlexDaniel: are you the release manager again?
AlexDaniel El_Che: still is, unfortunately
kawaii is running Blin, so that's some help
kawaii: btw, it'd be even better if you were creating tickets for detected regressions :) 16:14
El_Che That should teach you not to do a great job in your future endehavours :)
vrurg AlexDaniel: isn't it time to start thinking about release branching and cherry-picking only blocker fixes?
AlexDaniel vrurg: yeah, it's a common complaint, but it's not as simple 16:15
sure I can start a release branch like twoo weeks ahead or whatever, but then people would be sad that the commits are not making their way into the next release and start cherry-picking a bunch of stuff 16:16
vrurg AlexDaniel: we make a policy on this. It's normal for a release to lag behind, I don't see a big deal here.
AlexDaniel it's already hard to keep master branch sane with all the bumps and stuff, and doing the same for release branches is doable but not as great as people suggest 16:17
and then, whateverable doesn't even track branches, so all the tooling will suck
as I mentioned previously, I'll likely submit a grant proposal that'll have this covered, so maybe it'll be easier in the future 16:18
(I mean, making whateverable better)
El_Che AlexDaniel++
AlexDaniel vrurg: I also don't, but in my experience whenever we had release branches for just a few days people would keep asking if their amazing fixes will make their way into the release 16:19
vrurg AlexDaniel: tooling is the only serious problem as to me. It is technical. The rest we can manage.
AlexDaniel vrurg: I guess it's less of an issue now because rakudo is very stable and pretty fast too 16:20
so yeah, that's definitely something we can improve
vrurg With a good release policy in place the answer to those requests would be: see paragraph 'WHY NO'
AlexDaniel there's this thing also… every new release manager used to introduce a bunch of good changes to the release process 16:21
vrurg Ok, I have things to be done first place... Won't be able to answer but would try to follow.
AlexDaniel and if you look at this list you'll probably see an issue :) github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...ses-so-far 16:22
I'm out of steam, someone needs to take over
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AlexDaniel and people who haven't contributed much to raku or rakudo are even more welcome to this job 16:28
because I'd much rather not distract existing devs with release management
kawaii: you had something you were working on, any news? github.com/perl6/problem-solving/i...-507668134 16:30
kawaii Sorry yes, I've been extremely distracted recently due to $real-life but I do have some long-term plans for how the "release team" should structure and organize releases in the future. I need to find some time to find my feet in the community again, as I took a backseat during the name transition to see what would happen, and contemplated my position here as I'm one of the few people who chose Perl 6 _because_ it's Perl. 16:55
As opposed to people who see the name "Perl" and are dissuaded from reading further into it.
sena_kun While people can feel, the language itself won't change whatever name it is under. The features are here, the ideas behind are here. 17:02
imho, names (in general) are just links, just as words are in general. once people made an agreement that, hmm, an abstract class of objects with some common traits is called "a chair", and some other imaginary class to be "a table". We, humans, use our cool telepathy powers to recognize that "Oh, so when my ears perceive those waves in the air, I should parse them and get an imaginary brain concept linked to this pattern of air waves, 17:06
ok, I'll do that". But virtually there is no difference, as world does not need words to operate at all.
alas, the world is complex and our brains are simpler than it by definition, so our way of doing telepathy is often very LTA. 17:07
I did not intend to say something like "Your feelings are not important!" right now, only to provide a (possibly) different perspective. 17:10
AlexDaniel btw those participating in the squashathon, you can also register here too: hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/ 17:30
free t-shirt, hey!
for everyone who makes at least 4 pull requests, as far as I can see
and for squashathon itself there's one camelia :) 17:31
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japhb AlexDaniel: What is this squashathon's subject? 17:54
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vrurg japhb: writing test for "testneeded" tickets in rakudo. 17:55
*writing tests
japhb Oooh, that's a good one 17:56
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brass .raku is the new file extension right? 18:31
sena_kun brass, for scripts - yes. 18:36
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AlexDaniel brass: most tools don't know about it yet, but yeah 18:52
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brass Ah ok 18:52
Thanks!
I'm slowly making my way through the learnxiny for raku and I'm really liking it! 18:54
guifa is holding off changing the filenames in modules until the 6e release 18:57
AlexDaniel guifa: 👍
guifa (plus I don’t think zef can handle them right now, right?) 19:04
AlexDaniel guifa: it depends, I think “.pm6” files can have any extension, but I'm not sure 19:12
guifa: as long as the path to them is right in META6.json
I guess there are other ways they won't work, but just saying that it's possible to get away with it :) 19:13
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guifa AlexDaniel: fair. I just wanna make sure to maximize compatibility for the time being. Actually TBH if zef/6.e together will still accept .pm6 and such I might leave them as such until 6.f, much as I want to be the avante garde of the change over 19:21
Interesting that binding can’t be done for attribuets. Is there any particular reason for that? /me is trying to apply a proxy to an attribute 19:22
squashable6 🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by niner++! ♥ 19:24
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tbrowder i'm asking those who used "stacked" leading declarator blocks, a sequence of lines before a sub like"("#| some comment 19:29
like: #| comment 1; #| comment 2;... how you would like that to be rendered 19:30
guifa tbrowder: I asked that actually just yesterday or maybe it was day before. timotimo said that the presumption is two oneliners like that should be joined 19:31
tbrowder at the moment the sequence is concatenated into one normalized string
guifa #| Hello, my
#| name is
#| Camelia
sub foo … 19:32
The whole thing would be “Hello, my name is Camelia” and get attached to sub foo
squashable6 🍕 niner++ wrote a comment on “Regression in NativeCall, seems Role related”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/32...-543903663
🍕 niner++ closed issue “Regression in NativeCall, seems Role related”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3235
tbrowder but i woulld like to see my text as is, newlines and spaces as i entered them
at the moment, you can use the #|( .... ) form to do the same thing, one string 19:34
guifa Based on some other systems I’ve seen, I think the optimal would be to assume that if the line starts on the same indent level, consider it a continuation of the previous. If it has a higher space indent, then new line + indent X spaces
Because thinking about how I’ve done those style comments in my code, I definitely have some indented stuff that should be preserved. 19:35
tbrowder my proposal is to modify the "stack" of #| lines to keep the text as is, not stringify it into one line
guifa: the problem with the fancier method you're suggesting is grammar complexity. we already have good pod elements to do that kind of thing. 19:37
i have been able to implement my proposal but don't want to waste any more time if the idea is shot down 19:39
guifa tbrowder: i’m not opposed to yours. I don’t think either one is inherintely better or worse, I’d just be curious to see how most people use them and would interpret the typical uses (that’s an real curiousity, in case textchat isn’t conveying it well). 19:45
Or, thinking outloud, perhaps since the #|( … ) “will not translate to a multi-line display”, we could say that a sequence of #| over various lines by default implies newlines, but have ¬ or something force join it, and allow \n or a double newline imply a newline for the #|( … ) syntax ?
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tbrowder guifa: we're on the same page, but in any case, at present, the single line is all you can get. my simple proposal gives you a choice and provides a path to future improvements. 19:48
by the way, as the code is now, a #|newline is just an ordinary comment that is NOT added to previous or later #| leading declarator comment lines 19:59
guifa ^^ so since it’s not combining them, this is a great time to decide on how to interpret it :-) 20:00
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tbrowder i agree! 20:02
xkr47 hi!
guifa hi xkr47!
xkr47 "Hi, I'm xkr47 and I'ma perl5 addict"
(does that get me kickbanned? :)
guifa Not at all! 20:03
tbrowder xkr47: hi, no, all are welcome
xkr47 thanks! 20:04
Grinnz and indeed, it's less confusing now ;) 20:05
tbrowder guifa: i'll see if i can mod my impl to recognize intervening newlines,
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tbrowder as a first ste 20:05
*step
guifa: see rakudo issue #2332 for my original proposal. i don't think i will attempt that given what i've seen after trying to mod the actual code for that area. 20:10
xkr47 anyone tried using the graal vm with raku? 20:11
guifa tbrowder: definitely will take a look at it and drop some comments over there. Have to get some tests and papers graded but will probably do that afterwards. 20:12
pmurias xkr47: currently working on a truffle/graalvm backend for rakudo 20:15
tellable6 2019-10-17T22:24:18Z #raku-dev <MasterDuke> pmurias: nice. i see a lot of graalvm in the news and i hope to do some more after i finish up this libtommath work
guifa pmurias: nice!
pmurias xkr47: it's in very early stages currently
but the truffle design seems like a perfect fit for Raku 20:16
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xkr47 pmurias, cool! 20:24
pmurias, any links? :) 20:28
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squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ opened pull request “Test Parameter subclassing”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/585 20:30
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by Altai-man++! ♥
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squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ synchronize pull request “Test Parameter subclassing”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/585 20:38
🍕 Altai-man++ opened pull request “Test runtime-created classes being attributes”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/586 20:40
pmurias xkr47: github.com/perl6/nqp/tree/truffle - truffle branch in NQP 20:41
squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ opened pull request “Test rakudo-specific warning for shape specifier”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/3245 20:54
🍕 Altai-man++ wrote a comment on “Difference between Int @a and @a[Int]”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/25...-543941516
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cj hey folks 20:59
what's the suggested install path for raku?
I want to install it and see if I can translate my p5 NLP parser to raku
sena_kun cj, hi! are you on gnu/linux? 21:00
cj almost always
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sena_kun github.com/nxadm/rakudo-pkg#introduction 21:01
xkr47 pmurias, created a PR :)
cj danke
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sena_kun cj, you are welcome. alternatively you can use your distro packages if any (these tend to be outdated sometimes) or less "we approve this" options. 21:02
squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ opened pull request “Test hyperop results in a slip”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/587 21:05
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Doc_Holliwood rich syntax has it's drawbacks. took me a while to figure this out: $app.all-files>.Array>.Str , which should have been $app.all-files.Array>>.Str of course 21:09
and then you sit there and wonder why your value 3 levels down the stack is True instead of something to iterate on =) 21:10
simcop2387 this place is slowly filling up, congrats on the new name and all.
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squashable6 🍕 Altai-man++ edited pull request “Test hyperop results in a slip”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/587 21:16
🍕 Altai-man++ synchronize pull request “Test hyperop results in a slip”: github.com/perl6/roast/pull/587 21:17
🍕 Altai-man++ wrote a comment on “Assignment to hash via array subscript fails”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/24...-543951666 21:18
simcop2387 i'm going to upgrade the install of raku on perlbot (and also probably setup a rakubot) this weekend, i think I ask this every time, but are there any particular libraries or modules that you folks would like added (or removed) when I do so? only real restriction is that the pastebin and eval can't do network traffic 21:19
will also ask that in #perl6 too 21:20
xinming_ IIRC, there is a sweet function to generate the random string with template, which is like given template like "yyyyyy=xxxxxx" then, we replace yyyy and xxxx with random string, Do I remember wrong?
I now finish it with @list.pick(15) to do the trick 21:21
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cj fwiw, salsa.debian.org/perl6-team/rakudo.git is what I was looking for 21:54
lelf How do you go from 1...3 to (1, (1,2), (1,2,3)) ? 22:08
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Large nativecall-related ecosystem fallout ”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/32...-543974499 22:09
🍕 AlexDaniel++ closed issue “Large nativecall-related ecosystem fallout ”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3243
AlexDaniel m: say [\,] 1...3 22:12
camelia ((1) (1 2) (1 2 3))
AlexDaniel lelf: what about this?
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AlexDaniel lelf: see docs.perl6.org/language/operators#...aoperators 22:13
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ opened pull request “Add support for .rakumod extension”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/3246 22:18
lelf AlexDaniel: thanks 👍 22:19
squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Add support for .rakumod extension”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/3246...-543978836
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squashable6 🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Add support for .rakumod extension”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/3246...-543990606 22:48
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squashable6 🍕 jnthn++ wrote a comment on “Add support for .rakumod extension”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/3246...-543995739 23:02
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by jnthn++! ♥
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Add support for .rakumod extension”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/3246...-544000307 23:17
mla im interesting in using raku to interface with a static library i use. it's build system generates a .a file and .h headers, is there a way to use NativeCall with static libs? NativeCall seems to be expecting an .so only 23:18
Grinnz complete educated guess, but probably not; FFI::Platypus in perl5 requires the dynamic lib, while building XS works with either (static preferred) 23:23
jnthn mla: I'm pretty sure you'd need to first link it into a .so. It's not so much nativecall itself, as that you can't dlopen (the OS-provided thing nativecall depends on for library loading) the static library. 23:25
mla ah got it thanks, i guess my best bet is to figure out if i can somehow generate a .so 23:26
Grinnz i use the term "educated" lightly; mostly i've just thrown myself at ffi a lot and some things stuck :P
mla XS sounds interesting too
Grinnz that's a perl thing, not raku 23:27
mla but perl6 -> inline -> xs -> c seems like a lot
yeah
jnthn You might also consider github.com/retupmoca/P6-LibraryMake
Which could well help getting the .a -> .so step integrated into the Raku module install workflow
mla i see, makes sense via .a to .so via p6librarymake, probably a bit over my head atm being a c intermediate and p6 beginner but will take a try if i can't just generate a so from the source lib 23:32
thx for the help
squashable6 🍕 jnthn++ wrote a comment on “Add support for .rakumod extension”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/3246...-544006217 23:33
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squashable6 🍕 ugexe++ opened issue “Windows NativeCall regression ”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3247 23:39
🍕🍕🍕 First contribution by ugexe++! ♥
🍕 ugexe++ labeled issue “Windows NativeCall regression ” (regression): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3247
🍕 ugexe++ wrote a comment on “Windows NativeCall regression ”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/32...-544009342 23:42
🍕 vrurg++ wrote a comment on “Add support for .rakumod extension”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/3246...-544010563 23:45
🍕 AlexDaniel++ labeled issue “Windows NativeCall regression ” (BLOCKER): github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/3247 23:48
🍕 AlexDaniel++ wrote a comment on “Windows NativeCall regression ”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/issues/32...-544012086 23:50
🍕 jnthn++ wrote a comment on “Add support for .rakumod extension”: github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/3246...-544014238 23:56

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