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Xliff \o 08:23
jmerelo Hi, Xliff 08:24
tellable6 2020-10-27T01:45:36Z #raku <melezhik> jmerelo: hi @jmerelo! tell me how it goes with rakudist and if you need any help, thanks
jmerelo .tell melezhik not totally sure what you're talking about...
tellable6 jmerelo, I'll pass your message to melezhik
Altai-man jmerelo, o/ 08:26
jmerelo hey, Altai-man 08:27
Altai-man jmerelo, did you have any luck with building docs after attributes check?
Xliff Does sub MAIN allow you to specify default as given in the signature?
jmerelo Altai-man: not tried, sorry. with a cold, grading stuff for class, and then I had a backlog of other things to do. 08:28
Xliff If not, how would I go about invoking &*GENERATE-USAGE so I can do it myself?
jmerelo Altai-man: I still have to go through Raku::Ecosystem
Altai-man jmerelo, oh. Get well soon and take care! 08:29
Xliff &*GENERATE-USAGE(&MAIN, |&MAIN.signature)?
jmerelo Altai-man: thanks :-) going to be around, anyway.
Altai-man I just sorted some stuff and now will have more time for the docs project. It is like 80% finished or something as for now.
jmerelo Altai-man: that would be great. They're starting to look a bit outdated... 08:30
Xliff Ah! Nevermind. Was overthinking. 08:33
gist.github.com/Xliff/554c0017ecba...3ff173a183 08:37
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Geth doc: patrickbkr++ created pull request #3680:
Remove out of place AUTHORS section		 08:39
patrickb jmerelo: I'm looking at docs.raku.org/programs/03-environment-variables and noticed it's a copy of github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...unning.pod with some bits removed. 08:47
I think it makes sense to just link to the original page instead.
I'm unsure of how to inject a link into docs.raku.org/programs.html though. Can you give me a pointer where to look? 08:48
jmerelo patrickb: those pages are automatically generated in Documentable. 08:50
patrickb: and you know I'm not much for removing stuff. There's (almost) always a good reason to keep it, including indexing, for instance. 08:51
patrickb Hm. We could automatically copy the file over from the repo. Might be a bad idea... 08:52
jmerelo patrickb: there are quite a few anchor links there github.com/Raku/doc/blob/master/do...ables.pod6 08:53
patrickb: patching it over might be an option, but then I'd simply keep it updated through issues 08:54
patrickb Ugh. OK, maybe just manually doing it from time to time is the best way forward.
jmerelo patrickb: paradoxically, it looks like the option that needs the least amount of maintenance 08:56
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Xliff m: &*GENERATE-USAGE.file.say; &*GENERATE-USAGE.line.say 09:27
camelia Dynamic variable &*GENERATE-USAGE not found
in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1
Xliff m: sub USAGE { &*GENERATE-USAGE.file.say; &*GENERATE-USAGE.line.say }; sub MAIN { }; MAIN() 09:28
camelia ( no output )
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Geth doc: patrickbkr++ created pull request #3681:
Rename and update Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6		 10:00
patrickb jmerelo: Do you think it's OK to leave the X<|> markers in the rakudo/rakudo/docs/running.pod version of the file? That would simplify the job of keeping the two files in sync. 10:02
Geth problem-solving: 5c5955978d | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | .github/CODEOWNERS
Add CODEOWNERS file

Just testing the github feature. More about it here:
  * docs.github.com/en/free-pro-team@l...ode-owners
See this comment to understand why it may be useful: ... (10 more lines)		 10:06
Altai-man patrickb, hi. I am now working on a long standing project of converting docs website to a dynamic one. When it is up, redirects will be nice and handy. Until now any structural changes will result in links being broken. 10:08
patrickb Hi. :-)
Ah. So the worry is about external links. So what this basically means is: Just don't rename the file. Right? 10:09
jmerelo patrickb: you mean the original ones? I didn't check out that file. Manual updating is best anyway, different repos, different standards
Altai-man Right-y.
patrickb jmerelo: The two files are now identical except for the extra TITLE and SUBTITLE headers at the top and the extra X<|asdf> markers spread throughout the text. 10:11
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Geth problem-solving: a517aab345 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | .github/CODEOWNERS
Comment out invalid CODEOWNERS entries

Otherwise github rejects the whole file.		 10:13
jmerelo patrickb: ah, OK. They needn't be... The one in the documentation will probably evolve as issues arise.
patrickb jmerelo: But if errors in the file are fixed or additions are made they should be fixed in both places. Keeping them in sync makes updates easier. Alternatively, should we delete the file in the rakudo repo? 10:15
jmerelo patrickb: not for me to say. And I don't really think they'll be kept in sync for long... I really think updating manually when needed will be easier than maintaining a patching script 10:17
patrickb I don't intend to write a script. 10:18
I'll remove the X<|> thingies.
In the rakudo/rakudo repo version, that is. 10:19
jmerelo patrickb++ 10:24
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Geth doc: 1dc02c0543 | (Patrick Böker)++ | doc/Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6
Update Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6

This file is a copy of [rakudo/docs/running.pod]<github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/mast...ng.pod> but ran out of sync. Merge the two files. Also now include all bits of the rakudo/rakudo version of the file and not only the environment variable paragraph.
Of note this also pulls in the documentation for the new `rakuw.exe` and
  `rakudow.exe` executables.		 10:59
doc: 5e90de278a | (Patrick Böker)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | doc/Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6
Merge pull request #3681 from patrickbkr/update-running-rakudo

Rename and update Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6
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El_Che lo 12:23
cpan-raku New module released to CPAN! Array::Circular (0.0.2) by 03ELIZABETH 12:37
Geth doc: 7acde3f15a | (JJ Merelo)++ | META6.json
Updates deps after new release, closes #3616
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linkable6 DOC#3616 [closed]: github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3616 [build] Fail installation of dependencies with File::Find
jmerelo El_Che: hey 12:48
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cpan-raku New module released to CPAN! Sub::Memoized (0.0.4) by 03ELIZABETH 12:53
New module released to CPAN! Hash::LRU (0.0.2) by 03ELIZABETH
New module released to CPAN! Hash::Restricted (0.0.6) by 03ELIZABETH
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lizmat wonders why sjn does that 13:00
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jmerelo * me can't think of anything intelligent to say. Off to cook I go. 13:01
sjn lizmat: no worries, it just took me a moment to realize what the module was
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lizmat yeah, it''s a forgettable Hash :-) 13:02
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sjn Nah, I was just thrown off a little by that you didn't mention "Least Recently Used" in the NAME section :) 13:03
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sjn There was a moment when I thought "does lizmat use LRU for something else than what I'm used to?", but after reading a little more I found the answer to be "no" :) 13:04
lizmat Ah, good point: fixed that for the next release 13:05
[Coke] .tell altai-man (converting docs site) YAY
tellable6 [Coke], I'll pass your message to Altai-man
[Coke] docs, env var updates... did anyone run make test on that change? 13:06
the file doesn't even pass perl6 -c
lizmat maybe raku -c ? 13:08
sena_kun [Coke], well, we already did 80% of the work, now just need to have enough energy and time for another 80%... 13:09
Geth ¦ doc: coke assigned to patrickbkr Issue doc/Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6 github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3682 13:12
[Coke] patrickb: github.com/Raku/doc/issues/3682
lizmat: good catch, but yes, it's not valid Raku. 13:13
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[Coke] maybe let's not commit something that's 80% and broken, though. :| 13:13
patrickb looks 13:14
[Coke] Will probably pass a few of those just by fixing the POD. 13:15
there's a retest script in the ticket you can use to test just those files (those are the two my git pull happened to catch) 13:16
++patrickb - thanks! 13:17
patrickb Already running that, thanks for preparing. (To be honest, I didn't know there was any test suite for the docs. Will try to run this on larger future doc changes...) 13:18
[Coke] yup. every commit used to be tested with "make test" - I didn't see anything trigger on this commit, so I'm not sure that's still running (if not, needs to be added, or reporting fixed to come here) 13:19
"make xtest" runs other tests that were determined should not be blockers to getting something committed but needed to be tracked. 13:20
if you're committing to the repo, please run TEST_FILES=<files you've not pushed yet> make xtest before pushing.
Geth doc/coke/xtest-doc: 7b47f90e0e | Coke++ | writing-docs/CREATING-NEW-DOCS.md
Add note about testing to writing doc overview
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[Coke] added a note there, will merge it to master at some point.
patrickb What do I do about spelling errors that are actually just technical terms? 13:27
[Coke] xt/pws/*.pws 13:29
You can add them there (lowercased, alphabetized)
one is for words in the prose sections, one is for "words" in code sections (anything indented or =for code) 13:30
there's a test to make sure it stays alphabetized, even.
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[Coke] I didn't see any aspell.t failures in my run, wonder if it got further after pod changes or something. 13:34
...oh, yah, it does basically do a pod-to-text run for that test. 13:35
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patrickb Is there a list of allowed values in :lang<something> ? 13:44
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[Coke] no. defaults to assuming Raku, and anything perl6 or raku is tested to make sure it's compilable. 13:49
but you can put in shell, or text if you need. there's no differences, e.g. in how it's formatted on the website. 13:50
(I think)
patrickb OK. So it's fine to use :lang<batch> when the code is actually windows batch stuff
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patrickb What do I do about xt/type-graph.t errors? Seems unrelated to my changes... 13:50
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[Coke] wasn't failing before, so maybe it's now that you're pod? 13:52
if 'make test' passes, you're good to push again, anyway 13:53
then we can look at what you have to see if we can figure any new fails out
patrickb That's the errors. Not sure what to make of it: gist.github.com/patrickbkr/aea9931...6f77cc3c63 13:54
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[Coke] what version of Raku are you running that test with? 13:56
I'm at 2020.07-54-gd4bac47ff 13:57
patrickb 2020.09
[Coke] but yes, type-graph isn't looking at the file you changed, it's looking at type-graph.txt and Raku
oh, so it's probably been failing for a bit and I just didn't notice. :)
rypervenche m: say (^Inf .grep(*.is-prime))[0]; 13:58
camelia 2
[Coke] I'll update and fix it.
rypervenche m: say (^Inf.grep(*.is-prime))[0];
camelia Nil
rypervenche Why does this not work without a space?
sena_kun rypervenche, Inf.grep is executed first without a space. 13:59
Alternative is `(^Inf).grep` to execute range creation first.
[Coke] m: say (^Inf).grep(*.is-prime)[0] 14:00
camelia 2
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[Coke] it's precedence. 14:00
rypervenche Oh! I had an extra parenthesis. I tried that, but messed up the syntax. Thanks.
[Coke] docs.raku.org/language/operators#O...precedence 14:01
ah. there you go. :)
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Geth doc: patrickbkr++ created pull request #3683:
Fix test errors in `doc/Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6`		 14:09
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Geth doc: 9c0c4557ee | (Patrick Böker)++ | 3 files
Fix test errors in `doc/Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6`
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doc: cebcc2f516 | (Will Coleda)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | 3 files
Merge pull request #3683 from patrickbkr/fix-test-errors

Fix test errors in `doc/Programs/03-environment-variables.pod6`
doc: coke++ created pull request #3684:
Add note about testing to writing doc overview		 14:35
doc: 7b47f90e0e | Coke++ | writing-docs/CREATING-NEW-DOCS.md
Add note about testing to writing doc overview
doc: 80217562fd | (Will Coleda)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | writing-docs/CREATING-NEW-DOCS.md
Merge pull request #3684 from Raku/coke/xtest-doc

Add note about testing to writing doc overview
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Geth doc: f7510bdd3d | Coke++ | type-graph.txt
Track Allomorph type hierarchy changes
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[Coke] ^^ patrickb - that should make 'xtest' clean on your box.
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xinming Is there a way to specify the .precomp cache dir overlay, so we don't have many cache files under lib/ 15:49
Geth doc: fe2568f5db | Coke++ | writing-docs/CREATING-NEW-DOCS.md
whitespace
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xinming Seems, remove the `use lib 'lib';` clause fixed the issue. 15:59
without `use lib 'lib';` We still have cached files created under .precomp/ 16:01
[Coke] guesses that "use lib 'lib'" shouldn't be used even with local dev, but RAKULIB instead. (to avoid issues on installation) 16:02
kawaii I tend to just add .precomp to my .gitignore, and forget about it from then on :) 16:03
fwiw I've never used `use lib 'lib';`, I've always done `raku -I lib/ ...` instead 16:04
xinming It's the habit from perl5, with `raku -Ilib/ xxx.raku` is the same as `use lib 'lib';` in program. 16:06
I just wish that we can have a central place to have all cache files, instead of having them everywhere. 16:07
[Coke]: Thanks, will set the $RAKULIB
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Altreus I much prefer to use -I lib, because that is simply a stand-in for installing the module properly 16:34
use lib 'lib' means your module can never come from anywhre *except* lib
whereas the normal way of using modules is to install them so that raku can find them on its own
Which works even if the script is no longer near lib :)
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grumper does moarvm still use UTF8-C8 internally/pervasively? or something else came in its place? 18:40
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grumper quiet here today - I will look at the online log in case someone answered 18:54
specifically we are musing about utilizing UTF8-C8 in a set of protocols, want to check whether "this was a baaaaad idea" moments cropped up in the 10 years since it was implemented originally 18:55
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[Coke] is utf8-c8 used/defined anywhere outside of Moar? 19:23
timotimo not really, especially since it relies on the NFG mechanism for synthetic graphemes 19:28
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Geth Raku-Steering-Council/main: 498ab42e44 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | announcements/20201030.md
Another formatting issue fixed
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Geth Raku-Steering-Council: codesections++ created pull request #37:
Minor formatting changes for Markdown		 20:13
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tbrowder h, 20:36
Geth Raku-Steering-Council/main: 4f533eab23 | (Daniel Sockwell)++ | announcements/20201030.md
Minor formatting changes for Markdown
Raku-Steering-Council/main: 07ecbf5854 | (Daniel Sockwell)++ | announcements/20201030.md
Add erroneously removed colon
Raku-Steering-Council/main: 244387b7d2 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ (committed using GitHub Web editor) | announcements/20201030.md
Merge pull request #37 from codesections-forks/annoucement-formatting

Minor formatting changes for Markdown
tbrowder hi, in doc page for pythonistas, what would be best raku equiv for python hasattr func in raku MOP lingo? 20:37
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Zero_Dogg Is there any equivalent for 'perldoc' for looking up docs for installed modules? 'raku --doc' doesn't seem to look up installed modules 21:46
tadzik p6doc should work
I hope that's still a thing :) 21:47
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Zero_Dogg Didn't come with rakudo, but I can install it from zef, thanks 21:49
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Zero_Dogg Do any of the various console input libraries provide an interface that's suitable for async use? Ie. I want to prompt the user, but I may also receive data from a different source, that I then want to display to the user, and then resume the prompt afterwards. I can do it by running a thread with 'start', but that will garble up the prompt when using i.e. Readline 23:21
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Zero_Dogg Right now I'm sort of emulating it, by outputting a newline then the content I wanted to display, and then just printing the prompt. It works, sort of, but any input the user has already entered but hasn't submitted by pressing enter will be stuck on the old prompt, so it gets a tad confusing 23:36
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melezhik .tell jmerelo: another day you talked about testing some (potentially problematic) Raku modules during Hackaton. I suggest Rakudist as one of the solutions. So I just wonder if you've thought about that ... 23:53
tellable6 melezhik, I'll pass your message to jmerelo
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