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gfldex lolibloggedalittle: gfldex.wordpress.com/2021/02/28/un...ape-hatch/ 13:30
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codesections gfldex: I don't think that's really _undocumented_ (though I'm sure it could be clearer). But the docs say that `given` is a statement and, in general, statements don't return a value -- but they *do* return a value when preceded by `do`, when wrapped in parentheses, or when they are the final element in a block. 14:46
m: sub f() { my $a = 42 }; say f 14:47
camelia 42
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gfldex codesections: that succeed can return a value is undocumented. 17:33
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guifa vrurg: itā€™s really nice though 20:05
vrurg: what do you think should be the best approach, though, for role coercion where the role is fully stubbed? 20:06
For my rewrite of LanguageTag, I was wanting to heed someoneā€™s request for a light version 20:08
so I was thinking doing a role LanguageTaggish with stubbed methods. Then Iā€™d have my complete concrete implementation as class LanguageTag does LanguageTaggish. But thereā€™d be a lightway role, role LanguageTag::Light does LanguageTaggish that could be applied to strings that would calculate the methods on the fly (trading creation speed/memory footprint for slower method calls). 20:11
given a signature \(LanguageTaggish() $tag), how do you think I should best handle that circular dependency? I could probably do the LanguageTaggish and the ::Light in one file, but the purist in me wants them in separate files ha 20:12
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guifa codesections: oooh, I just found something potentially dangerous with does vs but 20:30
well, s/dangerous/performance killing
Role A {Ā method a {Ā ā€˜aā€™ } }; my @a; @a.push: ā€˜fooā€™ but A for ^100; say @a.tail.WHAT 20:31
m: Role A { method a { ā€˜aā€™ } }; my @a; @a.push: ā€˜fooā€™ but A for ^100; say @a.tail.WHAT 20:32
camelia 5===SORRY!5===
Undeclared names:
A used at line 1
Role used at line 1

Other potential difficulties:
Useless declaration of a has-scoped method in mainline (did you mean 'my method a'?)
at <tmp>:1
------> 3Roleā€¦
guifa m: role A { method a { ā€˜aā€™ } }; my @a; @a.push: ā€˜fooā€™ but A for ^100; say @a.tail.WHAT
camelia (Str+{A})
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guifa m: role A { method a { ā€˜aā€™ } }; my @a; @a.push: ā€˜fooā€™ does A for ^100; say @a.tail.WHAT 20:33
camelia (Str+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{Aā€¦
guifa even WORSE
(Iā€™m guessing because strings are valuetypes and roles donā€™t affect that) 20:34
m: role A { method a { ā€˜aā€™ } }; my @a; @a.push: ā€˜fooā€™ does A for ^100; say ā€˜fooā€™.WHAT
camelia (Str+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{A}+{Aā€¦
perry AAAAA 20:37
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vrurg guifa: you're trying to fit too much into too short sentence, perhaps. :) I don't see a circular dependency in your case but rather a clear tree with LanguageTaggish been the root and two branches. 20:53
guifa vrurg: sorry! Iā€™m know for being long-winded 20:54
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vrurg so am I, no worries. But this is certainly the opposite case. I either overlooking an important details, or you didn't mention it. 20:55
guifa vrurg: I guess Iā€™m concerned about LanguageTaggish.COERCE. Since the Taggish role is abstract, itā€™ll need to apply the Tag::Light role or create a Tag class object 20:56
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vrurg guifa: why `self.new` in `CORECT` won't work for you? 20:59
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guifa because all of the relevant methods are stubbed, so it wouldnā€™t be a meaningful coercion 20:59
basically, this is what I have (simplified for only the language part) 21:00
role Taggish {Ā method language {Ā ā€¦Ā }Ā }; role Taggish::Light does Taggish {Ā method language {Ā self.Str.split(ā€˜-ā€˜)[0] }; class Tag does Taggish { has $.language }Ā  21:01
vrurg Aha, this is what I miss...
Then there is no really good solution. There is no way for COERCE to know what to convert into. I'd stub it too and provide implementations by the consuming classes/roles. 21:03
But if you imply that by default LanguageTaggish coerces into ::Light then just import it run-time and use as ::('LanguageTaggish::Light').new 21:05
guifa Thatā€™s true. Iā€™m just debating which one I prefer to be the default haha.
the ā€œLightā€ is only light by memory footprint so far. `but` isnā€™t exactly super fast compared to creating even moderately objects 21:06
moderately complex objects
vrurg guifa: Actually, stubbing COERCE will not work as LanguageTaggish() would remain non-functional. So, only run-time import remains. 21:07
I would probably re-consider the model in a way to avoid LanguageTaggish() altogether. 21:08
guifa Thatā€™s also very fair. There are a few other language tag models other than BCP47, so I was trying to come up with a way that would conceptually play well with them 21:09
Maybe I could just make the TagLight a class that has a single string attribute (extremely fast to make and coerce back into a Str) instead of a role to apply to a Str 21:10
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